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Fillipo Simone
post May 25 2009, 05:08 PM
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Seniority is a "rule" used in Italy for decades and I think it has sense. That's also a way to promote mostly italian-based captains.

I'm not so sure Rino learned/evolved. And sorry, but stating that "Ambrosini does not even have the quality anymore to be a starter" and prefering a almost-one-year injured player who's quality afterwards has yet to be tested isn't clear to me.
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post May 25 2009, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 25 2009, 08:25 PM) *
Ambro has the passion and the drive that some of our other players lack, he will lead by example. Yes, he got sent off yesterday, but alot of great captains do, they're showing they care. If my players didn't react or argue if they felt decisions were going against them, they'd find themselves on the bench for a long time. Rino may have matured in recent years, but he seems to have lost that hunger he once had. He's also inferior in every aspect of the footballing side of things to Ambro, in my opinion, too. He added 7 goals this season considering he probably only started about 70% of the games, that's a great return from a DM..


I actually respect the seniority thing and I think Ambro 'should' be made captain even though I prefer Rino and Kaka.

But your logic there doesn't make sense to me. how many times did Paolo get sent off in 24 years? do you even remember the last time he saw red card.. well I don't. does that mean he didn't care? of course not!

Ambro has a huge flaw as far as making a good captain is concerned and that's his hotheadedness. and it's different to Rino's. he looks calmer and nicer but his challenges and reactions get really nasty sometimes.
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post May 25 2009, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 25 2009, 05:40 PM) *
But your logic there doesn't make sense to me. how many times did Paolo get sent off in 24 years? do you even remember the last time he saw red card.. well I don't. does that mean he didn't care? of course not!

No, it doesn't mean he doesn't care, it means he doesn't show he cares. But I think it gives the team a lift when they see their captain showing such passion.
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post May 25 2009, 06:27 PM
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I'm ashamed to be a Milan fan after what the Curva idiots did... this is lower than I have ever seen the Inter fans go!!

As for the game... after Ambro our best players were Ronaldinho, Flamini and Beckham... that says a lot! Pirlo was an absolute zero... and I'm being lenient here because I like him. If not for automatic CL qualification they should have tried some more for their captain. BUNCH OF WANKERS!!!

Ancelotti is not even worth my curses! I hope to see that useless piece of **** we call a coach (I said he's not worth it, not that I won't curse him) out of Milan as soon as possible. I'm sad to see he has not been kicked out yet!
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Ambro had a rush of blood to the head - where were the rest of the veteran leaders to pull him aside when they saw he got angry at the ref? Someone must fill in the leadership vacuum and take charge of the team - that is what is most troubling right now.
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post May 25 2009, 06:48 PM
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What exactly is so special about the position of captain, anyway?
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post May 25 2009, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ May 25 2009, 06:13 PM) *
It doesn't change anything, they chose the worst possible circumstances for a protest of any kind. It was meant to be a day of honour, farewells and memories, not a chance for these ungrateful sods to show how hurt their feelings are about something that happened four years ago.


I know!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) that "I don't know what to say" didn't mean it changed my opinion. I wish the worst for those who did that...
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post May 25 2009, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 25 2009, 03:55 PM) *
Ambro has the passion and the drive that some of our other players lack, he will lead by example. Yes, he got sent off yesterday, but alot of great captains do, they're showing they care. If my players didn't react or argue if they felt decisions were going against them, they'd find themselves on the bench for a long time. Rino may have matured in recent years, but he seems to have lost that hunger he once had. He's also inferior in every aspect of the footballing side of things to Ambro, in my opinion, too. He added 7 goals this season considering he probably only started about 70% of the games, that's a great return from a DM..

It's not just about yesterday's send off. It's about all the other times he's got sent off because of not even thinking before acting. A lot of the time he's on a yellow and yet he still keeps flying in and making stupid fouls.

I don't get how you say that Rino has lost his hunger. He was one of our best players at the beginning of the season and got injured, he was still always in the stands on match days to cheer the team on, most player wouldn't do that and when he plays he always plays with twice as many passion as all the players on the team combined.

And I don't see Rino as being technically inferior to Ambro in any way, in fact I see it the other way around. When you look at Rino throughout the years you can see how he's improved his game from all aspect, he's got a good range of passing for a DM (better then Ambro's, who usually just punts the ball without even looking where he's putting it) he's faster, much more sharper in the tackle, both on the ground and standing. The only thing Ambro has on him is his heading ability from set-pieces. And yes he contributed those 7 goals, but personally I would rather have a better player on the pitch rather then a player that might score a goal from a corner.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 25 2009, 04:08 PM) *
Seniority is a "rule" used in Italy for decades and I think it has sense. That's also a way to promote mostly italian-based captains.

I'm not so sure Rino learned/evolved. And sorry, but stating that "Ambrosini does not even have the quality anymore to be a starter" and prefering a almost-one-year injured player who's quality afterwards has yet to be tested isn't clear to me.

I wouldn't want a newbe player getting the armband either, don't get me wrong. But I think that if a player has been at a club for a certain ammount of time and has the right qualities to being a captain then he should be made captain.

At the moment this seniority thing insists that the longest serving player becomes captain, no matter how unfit he is for that position.

Rino got unlucky and injured, that doesn't make him any less of a player then Ambro is, who might I add has spent seasons out injured during his time at Milan. I'm just basing it on what I see season in season out. Ambro has a bad touch, can't make a pass further then a metre to save his life, tackles recklessly and is always walking the fine line of being sent off. Like I said, the only quality he has that Rino doesn't is his heading

I'm sorry but personally I don't see him as someone that is fit to take Maldini's place, and imo he lacks all the qualities to take over captain

Grace
Poise
Cool head
Leadership
Quality
etc
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post May 25 2009, 08:03 PM
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Ambro has a bad touch, can't make a pass further then a metre to save his life

That's just not true, and you should know it. His passing isn't like Beckham's or Pirlo's, but you exaggerate.

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And yes he contributed those 7 goals, but personally I would rather have a better player on the pitch rather then a player that might score a goal from a corner.

Sorry, but Ambro's goal were not all from corners or free-kicks, and not only headers.

It's irrelevant to mesure Rino's and Ambro's "passion" - it's like speaking wether Italians or French lovers are more passionate.

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post May 25 2009, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 25 2009, 07:05 PM) *
And I don't see Rino as being technically inferior to Ambro in any way, in fact I see it the other way around.

Rino can't pass, shoot, tackle, take a set-peice, run with the ball, he has no pace, can't header.. I could go on.
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 25 2009, 10:46 PM) *
Rino can't pass, shoot, tackle, take a set-peice, run with the ball, he has no pace, can't header.. I could go on.


This is so untrue and exaggerated it's laughable.
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post May 25 2009, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 25 2009, 09:16 PM) *
Rino can't pass, shoot, tackle, take a set-peice, run with the ball, he has no pace, can't header.. I could go on.


1. WHAT???

2. And Maldini, Kaladze and Inzaghi can?



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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 25 2009, 08:16 PM) *
Rino can't pass, shoot, tackle, take a set-peice, run with the ball, he has no pace, can't header.. I could go on.


and yet he made Ronaldo look like a child (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Gattuso is a DMC - Defensive midfielder

A defensive midfielder or a holding midfielder is a central midfielder who is stationed in front of the back defenders for defensive reasons, thus "holding back" the freedom of the opponents to attack.

Gattuso can't tackle you must be joking dude come on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) , He can't shoot big deal , Pirlo and Kaka' can Gattuso isnt known for shooting no taking set pieces , if he had no pace how can he take players like Ronaldo who is meant to be one of the fastest players in the world. im gunna say it but do you have somthing against him because all ure points are just not backed up at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

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QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 25 2009, 08:29 PM) *
This is so untrue and exaggerated it's laughable.



+100000000000000000000000000000000 its just out of this world from another planet its just comical it belongs in the comedy thread (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post May 25 2009, 08:34 PM
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Oh, Kurt just made a exaggerated post to answer the exaggerated criticism on Ambrosini. I don't get why everyone's so upset?
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