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Feb 16 2009, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 16 2009, 01:29 PM)  No we won't. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Not if the squad/coach/tactics stay the same. And no, I'm not disappointed that we lost the match, after all it's one of the three possible results. What disappoints me is that we got to a point where we pegged our season success on this one match. Had we been winning regularly, we'd probably still be level or a couple of points higher than inter. Had we won the small matches, had we played to our potential. So much talent, so much class, all gone to waste one way or another. What's worse that there are 39 points left to play for, and the coach comes out and says the race is over. Way to motivate the team, with a defeatist attitude, I say! Next year, will be the same, if things don't change. Probably. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) No CL was bad enough, but giving inter an 11 point lead even though we have a far better squad than them is even worse. And to think we completely built a squad for the Scudetto challenge this time. It was the same stagnant atmosphere in the late 90s and early 2000s that sent us into the wilderness. People who are pro-management, pro-Carlo, who think everything is alright, well they should know that it could all come crashing down, while they keep on defending this. If they still can't see, then be my guest! But frankly put, I can't put up with this shtick knowing full well that there are problems, leaks, lack of motivation, lack of the required talent (injuries are another matter, altogether) that could have been pegged with a little effort, and we could have been a contender. Of course we will beat them, of course we will win the league! But the same was said last year. And the year before. Like I said, it was not one match - it's a train wreck we're witnessing, which was coming. I just hope it doesn't come crashing too hard. One can fantasize all they want about Milan, Milan history, Milan philosophy, Milan legends - as a fan. It's easy. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Apparently it's all sunny. A day at the beach, if I may. As a club owner, as a club director, not quite. There is the dirty laundry that fans don't see. It's a cruel, cruel world after all. The world of reality (that almost kicked Kaka out). $$$ matters. One more CL miss, and then we'll talk (hopefully not, but very possible, and very probable). I get what your saying man but as Fans there is'nt much we can do but support the team in the moment , yes we had dark periods as you said in the late 90s and early 2000 but we came back!! maybe im stubborn but im not going to give in look at Juve they blew it against Sampdoria. maybe Carlo said what he said about the Title ambitions being are over to not pressurise the team even more. Until that final whistle blows on week 38 nothing is certain a few defeats draws for inter and anything can happen ITS FOOTBALL THATS WHY WE ALL LOVE IT !!!!
This post has been edited by Ry4n: Feb 16 2009, 02:41 PM
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Feb 16 2009, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 16 2009, 02:29 PM)  No we won't. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Not if the squad/coach/tactics stay the same. And no, I'm not disappointed that we lost the match, after all it's one of the three possible results. What disappoints me is that we got to a point where we pegged our season success on this one match. Had we been winning regularly, we'd probably still be level or a couple of points higher than inter. Had we won the small matches, had we played to our potential. So much talent, so much class, all gone to waste one way or another. What's worse that there are 39 points left to play for, and the coach comes out and says the race is over. Way to motivate the team, with a defeatist attitude, I say! Next year, will be the same, if things don't change. Probably. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) No CL was bad enough, but giving inter an 11 point lead even though we have a far better squad than them is even worse. And to think we completely built a squad for the Scudetto challenge this time. It was the same stagnant atmosphere in the late 90s and early 2000s that sent us into the wilderness. People who are pro-management, pro-Carlo, who think everything is alright, well they should know that it could all come crashing down, while they keep on defending this. If they still can't see, then be my guest! But frankly put, I can't put up with this shtick knowing full well that there are problems, leaks, lack of motivation, lack of the required talent (injuries are another matter, altogether) that could have been pegged with a little effort, and we could have been a contender. Of course we will beat them, of course we will win the league! But the same was said last year. And the year before. Like I said, it was not one match - it's a train wreck we're witnessing, which was coming. I just hope it doesn't come crashing too hard. One can fantasize all they want about Milan, Milan history, Milan philosophy, Milan legends - as a fan. It's easy. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Apparently it's all sunny. A day at the beach, if I may. As a club owner, as a club director, not quite. There is the dirty laundry that fans don't see. It's a cruel, cruel world after all. The world of reality (that almost kicked Kaka out). $$$ matters. One more CL miss, and then we'll talk (hopefully not, but very possible, and very probable). Did the world come to an end?
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Feb 16 2009, 02:55 PM
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I don't know wether this situation needs another "gigantic post" or not but...
1. It's always up to the "small teams won/lost". Why? Because it's simple math - in Serie A there are more small teams then big teams. Only in rare occasions when 2 or 3 teams are even and win parallel almost all matches, a derby stays decisive.
2. I don't think there is a "pro-coach/management section" that thinks everything is sunny an alright. It's totally not neccessary to make such rifts.
3. Problems come, problems go. That's normal life and reality we all enjoy and count on. Why overdramatize and make a big story out of it? Sure we need changes...
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Feb 16 2009, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE (Ry4n @ Feb 16 2009, 06:34 PM)  I get what your saying man but as Fans there is'nt much we can do but support the team in the moment , yes we had dark periods as you said in the late 90s and early 2000 but we came back!! maybe im stubborn but im not going to give in look at Juve they blew it against Sampdoria. maybe Carlo said what he said about the Title ambitions being are over to not pressurise the team even more. Until that final whistle blows on week 38 nothing is certain a few defeats draws for inter and anything can happen ITS FOOTBALL THATS WHY WE ALL LOVE IT !!!! You are a fan that accepts there are problems. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) As fans that's what required from us. This is what it's all about. People (members, management, media) think that there isn't. That's where the trouble starts. I haven't given up on it, and probably won't till the final week, but hey at least we agree that it's a mess out there. Whether we want to believe it or not. But denying there isn't a problem won't get us anywhere soon: (IMG: http://i41.tinypic.com/35hqvcp.jpg) (IMG: http://i42.tinypic.com/4ic1ao.gif) QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2009, 06:50 PM)  Did the world come to an end? Wait for it. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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Feb 16 2009, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE You are a fan that accepts there are problems. As fans that's what required from us. This is what it's all about. People (members, management, media) think that there isn't. That's where the trouble starts. I haven't given up on it, and probably won't till the final week, but hey at least we agree that it's a mess out there. Whether we want to believe it or not. But denying there isn't a problem won't get us anywhere soon: Well who's exactly denying problems?
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Feb 16 2009, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2009, 06:55 PM)  I don't know wether this situation needs another "gigantic post" or not but... Not necessary. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2009, 06:55 PM)  1. It's always up to the "small teams won/lost". Why? Because it's simple math - in Serie A there are more small teams then big teams. Only in rare occasions when 2 or 3 teams are even and win parallel almost all matches, a derby stays decisive. Same is the case in all leagues. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I'd frankly lose 6 matches a season big time, and win the remaining 32, and there's your title. But let me stress it's never been about titles for me. A good display is all I need for my Milan fix in one week. An energetic, confident display. Is that too much to ask? QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2009, 06:55 PM)  2. I don't think there is a "pro-coach/management section" that thinks everything is sunny an alright. It's totally not neccessary to make such rifts. Oh, there may not be one here in this forum. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) There is one in the Milan management, alright. Did you check out the interview Carlo gave yesterday after the match. Or the ones he's been giving for these last three years? Let's just forget about it. Or as Donnie Brasco said: Fuggadaboutit. QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2009, 06:55 PM)  3. Problems come, problems go. That's normal life and reality we all enjoy and count on. Why overdramatize and make a big story out of it? Sure we need changes... That time has come and gone, my friend. We needed these desired changes in 2005. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I'm not saying change the coach. Just tactics. Ask Carlo to show a little spine. The same for the team. Sign the right players, not management favorites. And kick out (or bench) the weeds (Seedorf, Kaladze, and company). And still if the results don't come, you won't find me complaining. I promise. For I know we tried. QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2009, 07:00 PM)  Well who's exactly denying problems? You're not looking in the right place, there, buddy! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Putting it on referees, and opposition players, and the whether, and what not is what, exactly? Playing the same players who make mistakes again in the next match (when there are other options available) is what, exactly? And beside if the Milan management wasn't denying problems, they'd be doing something to correct them - not make it worse. Let me say this clearly, again: It's not the inter match that makes me worried. This has been the story of the season(s) for us, with no end in sight. Maybe we'll sign some miracle players, not renew with some, Carlo finally starts playing a bit more attacking, a bit more confident, a bit more varied, and all will get back to where it was. If not, well there are always better people for a job.
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Feb 16 2009, 03:22 PM
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Ancelotti is a coach not a problem fixer at this period. And press conferences...well, they are for the press anyway..
Just relax acid,...Milan will be back in time.
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Feb 16 2009, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2009, 07:22 PM)  Ancelotti is a coach not a problem fixer at this period. And press conferences...well, they are for the press anyway.. Is he, now? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) That's a new one for me. QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2009, 07:22 PM)  Just relax acid,...Milan will be back in time. I take 6 chill pills at regular intervals ever day. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) So yeah, I was born relaxed. As for Milan, well let's just wait and see. Time will tell, as it always does.
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Feb 16 2009, 03:44 PM
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i found yesterday's coreography, it should be a san siro stadium image, here it is: (IMG: http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5673/ssirowa9.jpg)
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Feb 16 2009, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 16 2009, 03:56 PM)  I think there's a little white line near the top right corner of the image that points where he sat, Rhy. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) You're welcome. I know, I know, don't say it. I'm just too good with these sorts of things! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Just kidding! that's right, i was were the white line leads (IMG: style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Feb 16 2009, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE (rujo @ Feb 16 2009, 08:01 PM)  that's right, i was were the white line leads (IMG: http://www.pic4ever.com/images/2gwb921.gif) Haha, yeah, exactly. I'd have guessed it even if you didn't put up that line. In the inset photo (small photo) there is the Coca Cola sign, and also people holding up the white, um, things. LOL!
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