I don't think Carlo's brand is boring. It's a scared brand of tactics. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Which is what has lost us points in double digits over these last few years. Before that, before Istanbul 2005, Carlo played moderately attacking game, plus he had the players to boot. Now? No. It's one of the reasons why small teams like Regginas and Atalantas harp us before every game, because they're not scared, they know they're in with a chance.

Mourinho may be boring, but he gets in the results. We shall see whether his home game record that's well over 100 stands come this Sunday. It's far more easier said than done, going unbeaten at home with three overly different teams. Had we this record, the last two Scudettos would/could have been ours. FACT. It were those lost points home and away against small teams that hurt things.

They used to win 1-0 more regularly but it's not the score. Football is not goals, football is football.

Anyway... it's just personal opinion but for what it's worth, I think Ancelotti's football (with a healthy Milan) was significantly more pleasing than Jose's football (with a healthy Chelsea) and one of Europe's best. Right now, I can't watch Inter play but I don't think I would be able to stand Milan either if I was not a fan - with a few exceptions.

This post has been edited by dst: Feb 12 2009, 12:26 AM

Well, football is goals, but I know what you're trying to say. They used to play very well and played very attacking football. Jose plays a very similar system to the one Barca use and I also find Barcelona a very entertaining team.


Just depends what you like I suppose. Jose plays very direct, quick football. I don't have time for al this pass it around the midfield just to keep posession rubbish.

If football is goals then by default a 0-0 game is a crappy one. I totally disagree with that. Jose's football and Barcelona's football are not even remotely close in my view. The system has nothing to do with it, on paper Milan play with three 10's and this season sometimes with four, it does not mean Milan play attacking football.

@ acid

Yes. until the Istanbul, Carlo was different. I guess that defeat changed him to the cautious coach he is now. point is, he changed, he is different now. he's not the coach he was in 2005.

No, 0-0 means that nobody wins. Football is about goals.. the whole point of football is to score more than the opposition, surely you know this by now!

Milan doesn't play with 3/4"#10s" at all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

The system has alot to do with it, that's how players know what their roles are, hus letting them know how to attack, etc. I personally find Jose's teams good to watch. I always had the time to watch his Chelsea teams play, because I liked how hey did it.

I think also in 2006 Milan played great football. After that his team rapidly worsened but now that he has a competitive Milan in his hands again he's not producing anything great, neither in terms of results nor in terms of attractive football. I think what's hurting him and Milan more is immobility. Both parties would benefit from a change (a separation) I think.

2005-2006 or 2006-2007 ?

And he's not the coach we deserve. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Unless he changes and gets his prior confidence back, no.

It's directly affecting us, his tactics and his choice of players. Sure there are players who are out of form, favor, are injured, and such, and they don't perform. But there should be no mercy for an Unmotivated XI - which is what I've seen more than once here at Milan. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) It rubs off onto the players. A coach can take a mediocre team, and motivate it to the point that their performance improves, and vice versa with an all-star team like Milan. And besides, motivation is the only thing that separates teams in a league. If a team believes that it can land the first position, come the final week, only then can it go out and put up a worthy show. Just ask Kurt about Villa.

I did not say football and goals are two separate things what I mean is football is football and my point is I've seen many great 0-0's and many mediocre 3-0's and 4-0's.

Milan play with Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaka and sometimes Ronaldinho too. All of them are 10's, that's not something that's in question. And that's exactly why the players or a set-up don't have much to do with actual play. Seedorf and Pirlo are 10's but they would still be 10's if they were played as goalkeepers... it's not what they are, it's what they do.

I told you what I think about systems.
4-3-3 is not by default an attacking system. It's how the players in each position attack and defend that make it offensive or defensive. If I tell the widemen upfront to stay on the line and follow the opposing team's full-backs all the time it's certainly not attacking on the field, it's only attacking on paper.

It's fine by me what you like it's just I find it hard to realize you think Jose's is attractive and Ancelotti's was not.

This post has been edited by dst: Feb 12 2009, 01:14 AM

Good question... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) 05-06 is what I meant.

I think with Jose's teams(Chelsea/Inter) they had goalscorers who could whip up excellent goals,i think that's the main attraction of his tactics not necessarily the formation and setup itself,because evidently when they weren't producing those magical moments the general flow of play seems very dry and doesn't allow for much creativity.


RE:The topic of this thread i think we should give Ancelotti one more season.When our new players like Thiago Silva/Flamini have settled in that is practically half of our defensive problems solved because they can be ROCK solid in their departments.We'll hopefully go into the market and buy another striker then we'll be set.



This post has been edited by elcordobez: Feb 12 2009, 05:56 AM

i'd rather see ancelotti in roma than chelsea..

chelsea don't respect their coach...

Seems as though Carlo is staying .. From the report on FI .. Anyways, I doubt Carlo would leave, unless he doesn't win something this season he is out the door.

But I doubt he would take another club, he would most likely go for a national team ..

we could swap him with Lippi (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)