Maybe I missed some stuff, but I never quite got what all the fuss about his behavior is?! And this doesn't include his touches and the fact that he keeps the ball tied to himself for long periods of time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) Some of you probably might be better able to recall some instances where he degraced himself - anything big that I missed.

And just for the record, I don't believe in players behavior on/off affecting Milan the club by any means. We've signed some pretty sick animals over the years, and what they do and how they conduct themselves is, at the end of the day, their own making. If we ever got this picky, I can see us not making many big and explosive signings. Not everyone can be Maldini, and yes, if they can win us titles, I'll not complain. Case in point Ronaldinho who's quite a party whore.

So yeah, got anything for me about Gourcuff, any specific instances? Feel free.

You'd have to ask him about exact details- but I think he's referring to specific game-related stuff. Those little French annoyances, like stealing inches at a corner kick, acting all Gallic when he falls down (big expressions, some little diving etc). I'm yet to hear of trouble from R80 regarding his partying. Everyone says he's been working harder than ever. Even if the management were covering up, I doubt the press would have passed up the chance to rake the muck. I have to admit, I've been very very impressed with R80. Not amazed (which would have been ideal) but impressed.

We'll see. At present I'am for bringing Yoann back. NOT as a Seedorf replacement. A different setup than what he had. We'd probably play better with Ronaldinho imo. Kaka and R80 tend to cross paths in their run, and theirs no one on the right. What I mean is...

1. Seedorf plays from left to left centre.
2. Kaka prefers playing centre and cutting left.
3. Ronaldinho starts left and cuts in.

We're too left-heavy. Perhaps...


-----DM---Pirlo---Zee---
----------Yoann----------
--------------------R80---
---------Marco-----------

Would help us cause some more trouble down the right. At present, we have Zambrotta and then maybe one of ours DMs making a run down the field, as a plausible threat down the right...

This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Dec 21 2008, 05:44 AM

You've hit it on the nail again cap'n (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

IMO, I think the team needs Borriello upfront. A target man like him changes a lot of things

Do I even need to tell you I agree 100%?

This post has been edited by Fillipo Simone: Dec 21 2008, 09:18 PM

No Kaka'? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Nah... He is going to Man City... They're certainly paving the way for him! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I have been lead to believe this was Gourcuff in a 3-0 win against PSG today (right about the time we were in Rome). This is what we call 100% pure talent. The comments below the video are hilarious, some Milan fans there too ranting about Carlo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Anyway, I sure do hope this guy doesn't come back. He has no business here. We seem to prefer fat-assed Surinamese turtles that don't move, anyway:

Gourcuff Destroys PSG

**** Ancelotti!!!! **** him and his ****ing ****!!! I ****ing hate his ****ing guts! I used to ****ing like him, but now I wish he gets as far from Milan as possible... The stubborn mother****er... I HATE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The dream that was Gourcuff... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

You know my opinion of French footballers, but even I put Gourcuff as an exception. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) First saw him play in Milan, and from that moment on I knew this kid was as talented as anyone, including Messi, Pato and Christiano. The talent is there for all to see, and we've been seeing the glimpses and sparkles regularly in these last few months.

But pretty much, yeah, we ruined him - never gave him responsibility, never gave him space to develop. We wanted him to change his game to accommodate to Milan's instead of thinking of striking a balance somewhere in between. He was a work-in-progress, not a finished article or a champion. I'd personally commit suicide than playing Emerson, Brocchi, Seedorf ahead of him day in and day out. The great tactician Carlo is, he simply failed to develop Gourcuff.

Anyway, I stand by my stance of not wanting him back. For one reason or another neither we deserve him, nor he deserves us. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Good bye and good luck, Gorky!

yeah i agree with this part (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) !

Yeah, I don't agree with the last part too, the one about not bringing him back, about the sad, sad goodbye, the parting of ways, and what not. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) But you know what I'd have a very hard time coming back to Milan if I were Gourcuff. Just like Oddo's statement that he wants to stay at Bayern.

Thing is Carlo thought of him as just another wannabe youngster, something like our Uruguayan brothers, Cardacio and Viudez. He never saw him as someone that was on the fringe of stardom. Sure Gorky may have his faults, but I thought once you signed up for a club, the skills, thrills faults, and failures all become part of the family, the club, the coaching stuff, and the management. Together everyone must overcome them.

Pity, but Carlo had Gorky on a phone call. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) The last 30 minutes as a substitute of Seedorf was all that was needed in every game. Brocchi played his share of matches, and guess what he left. So will Emerson, mark my word. These are all players over the edge, past their prime, on the wrong side of 30. They won't give anything back to Milan the club, they just suck the juice out of it. Gourcuff was not. He could have been a contender. We may have had a world class player, set for the next decade. Who knows, we may yet?! He might come back. And if he does, with Carlo still as coach, I stand by my statement, he'd probably be the most stupidest person I know, or the bravest. Then again, nature may take it's course, and we might term him as someone not meant for big clubs, just like we labeled Gilardino. Time will tell.

Wow... what a goal... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

I think we should bring him back at all costs but loan him for one more season to a good Serie A side, like Genoa, etc. he needs to confirm this in Italy as well.

I agree with Zeddie..almost. But speaking of Gourcuff there's something that struck a chord for me...

This is from the official website, with Carlo speaking on Pato...



This statement for me sums up why Pato is in the team while Yoann is not. Yoann never could stop overcomplicating. Sure Pato had trouble, and then Carlo benched him (which led to a furore over here), but the boy has been humble enough to learn and change his methods. Now look at the kind of run he's having in the side.

Acid, I guess this would be your middle ground. Pato has it, Yoann didn't.

And as for talent, no one here doubts that. Gourcuff is one of the most promising technical players to have come out of France. Heck, he was one of the most proficient technicaly players in Milan at that time.

To all what Capt'n said +1

@ Jack

Agreed to an extent. but remember that Pato is getting a good amount of time on the pitch. he had his bad moments but due to coach's trust, he managed to overcome them. the same cannot be said about Yoann.

I mean how was he supposed to not overcomplicate things when he was given 5-10-15 minute chances most of the time? when did he start so many games as Pato has??

He was put under pressure.