Since he came out of the womb, perhaps?

Channel 4 is giving Goal.com a run for their money in the Most Idiotic Stories sweepstakes.

Praised him? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

He didn't do a Dunga to him, but he didn't praise him either... just mentioned some obvious facts [that he played better against Siena compared to the previous games] and added that 'I'm sorry Pato can't play more'...

Well, at the time Milan had Ronaldo, Pato (who played in Jan), Gilardino, Inzaghi and Paloschi.

And just like Gourcuff is getting a chance to express himself at another team, Borriello took his chance and earned a call back to San Siro.

Carlo chose to send him out for reasons we don't really know. Hence, i would rather not 'assume' anything, considering Carlo has him playing as a starter in almost every game he is available for.



I dont know if they can buy him, but even so ... Whats the problem ? If Gourcuff proves to the Milan technical staff that he is worthy, then he will remain in Milan.

Keep in mind han, this is not football manager (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)



Pato is great. But you just need to draw a line between what you 'assume' and what 'might' be the case. And when i say what might be the case, i am giving Dunga the benefit of the doubt.

Pato is 18 (or 19) years old, he plays for the number 1 team in the world and is selected to represent the number 1 national team in the world. His morale is higher than that of every player his age around the world !!

He has his whole career to showcase his talent, but at the moment, he needs to listen to his trainers cause they know exactly what he is missing.



So you are convinced Carlo is a youth-killer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Ah well, dont hold your breath buddy, Milan wont have an average age of 25 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I'm not going to reply to your entire post because if I do the cycle will never end. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) So let's agree to deisagree on the subject.


I'm not saying he's a youth killer, but rather that he believes that a club as big as Milan does not have any time to invest in these players.

I don't even want an everage age that low, I don't want us to be Arsenal. But to see players like Emerson or Favalli who can barely jog 2 meters without nearly falling, over talented kids such as Albertazzi/Darmian/Cardacio, really p!sses me off. And I'm not even saying I want them to play in a CL semi. But to give these kids chances in games such as these early UEFA Cup ties, which let's face it, we're walking through with our second string teams and in the Coppa games.

As for the Football Manager comment, Yoann's value has already gone up twice if not 3 times to what it was when he was loaned out. If Bordeoux make the loan deal permanent with him, and he keeps playing the way he is for them, you can rest assured that he will be sold for a large sum

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 6 2008, 06:47 PM

I'm very tempted to frame you for this one, but just found out that I have to do something now that I shan't be able to do tomorrow, so congrats you got away this time! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Jokes aside, gotta say top post. The way player prices are rising around the football world, investing in youth is the only real alternative for a cheapskate like Galliani.

Even Pato wasn't anywhere cheap an option when we bought him from Brazil. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I'm not blaming him as long as we win, but a little more show of youth instead of old hags is the order of the day!

No, we'll just agree to disagree (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



Again, you assume that Bordeoux will stand in the way of Milan ? Well, what about this han, lets just see what happens in the summer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'd be perfectly happy if he stayed in Bordeaux and Milan spent the 15MM on a new centerback.

Then again, I've never much liked Gourcuff. Talented? Yes. Diving, cheating little barstid? Yup.

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Inzaghi dives a lot too. does that give me the right to call him a cheating bast@rd? no, I'd get smacked, literally.

We must teach Gourcuff not to dive. not sell him (or be happy with his sale) because he dived a couple of times.

Sorry but I had to let it out! you get offended when something bad is told about your favorite players. I do too.

Maybe I missed it, but I've only seen him dive once. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Sure it may take off from the gloss, but that doesn't take away from his talents. I'm sure if he stayed with us (or a very big if, if he does) that's one of the first thing that he must (have) learned.

Oh, and it's too soon to say whether he'll come back or stay there. Months away to tell, really.

Yes Pippo dives. never claimed he didn't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But Pippo also puts the ball in the net with pretty good regularity and I have a lot of admiration for a guy who doesn't have the natural athleticism or skill of a Kaka but who does have extraordinary positional sense and uses that to get past defenders to score.

Gourcuff? Sorry, I just don't like him. The only dive I am willing to forgive is the one from the 2007 home game v Udinese because Billy got to take the penalty during his final game. I also suspect that he's got Gila syndrome: plays well for smaller clubs but can't handle the pressure of playing for a big club like Milan. That's not a knock on his footballing skill or Gila's - it just means that I suspect that both are better off at places that don't have the pressure that Milan does have.

No, you said Gourcuff is talented. but criticized him for his dives. right?

Pippo is talented (in what he's supposed to do) too but you forgive him for his dives because he scores goals. we're talking about morals. a diver is a diver. if one's a cheating *******, the other is too. right?

And it's perfectly alright with me that you don't like Yoann. that was not my point. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As for big game and pressure I've said my opinion before - I agree Yoann 'couldn't' handle the pressure. but I don't say Yoann 'won't' handle the pressure forever. for some players it takes time. Gila was 26yo and still couldn't cut it, while Yoann was 21 [and wasn't treated fairly if minutes played are to stand for something]. he might learn to deal with the pressure as well. talent-wise I think no one doubts Yoann.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif) Yoann wasn't given enough chances!

At least not as much as he deserved. Players far worse (read Brocchi, Emerson and friends) were played and started ahead of him consistently. And no, coming out in the last 10 minutes to score the winner doesn't count. Unless you're Ronaldinho or something. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Even when all our creative players and their grandmothers were out injured. Even then Gorcuff couldn't start. At best played him in a crucial CL encounter where it was given he'd explode. I'd have wanted to see him come in every match at the 60th minute, to learn both Milan's game as well as it's brand of football.

Fact is we didn't treat him like a young prospect, but rather as a finished article. Same with Gila. We tried fitting them in the system, rather than fitting the system around them. Hey, they're players you've bought, why not modify and create a winning system that envelopes them? But no, we'll bend them and get them to play as we want. Who cares if they crack during the process? Who gives a funk (with a very big F) whether we'll lose millions when we try to sell them as failures to rival clubs? It wasn't Carlo's money. He didn't own the fans, and probably never cared about seeing them happy, either. At the end of the day it was him not the fans who were answerable to the management, so I can't blame him here. As long as we were winning.

But sweet mother of Jesus, suddenly we weren't! That's when things took a turn for the worse. And look where we're playing in UEFA? Clubs I've never heard of before, and probably not will after the year's out, while Aalbork BK, Steaua, Basel, Anorthosis, Panathinaikos, CFR Cluj, Zenit and BATE are plundering the Champions League. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I'm not saying it was all down to one individual, it can't be. But where was the earth-shattering signing that Carlo promised that could not be named? Ba? Who denied Frank Ribbery? Who wanted a shot bullet in Emerson? Who didn't sign Buffon, when we could have sold Abbiati to Juve and got both him and Dida to play as first and second choice? Very long story, and perhaps we'll never know, but hey I still didn't get why Gorcuff had to warm the bench with Emerson and Brocchi playing ahead of him?

Disclaimer: This post certainly isn't meant for any one, and certainly not for any member here. Well maybe it is meant for the management, but I'm not sure they'll read it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Their English sucks, anyway.

Oh COME ON!!! Don't tell me you're going to start getting on my back about my spelling mistakes also!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If Bordeoux have an option to buy in the contract then they do have the upper hand on Milan. Galliani basically admitted this himself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


What type of CB could we buy with that ammount? A mediocre one. I would much rather get Yoann back ASAP. And buy a real top quality CB. Mexes or Zapata would be appreciated Fester (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As for the Yoann comment. Tennie, as zd said you support one of the biggest diving, cheaters in football. Probably one of the most hated players around and you can't take Yoann for diving a couple of times and taking corners out of the angle?

Diving is part of the game, every player does it. Even the most gracious ones do it from time to time. Look at Gerrard for example, the English don't care that he's a diving w*****. All they see is the insperational captain who inspired Liverpool to win the CL in 05, but no one really cares that he won the equalising penalty by diving. That's the way it is I'm afraid.


I can't see how this theory about Yoann being a choker is relevant when it comes to playing for big teams since he was barely given a decent shot at Milan. He played great on his debut, not just because he scored a goal but his overall game was amazing and you could see the potential there, Just because he was never given a chance to continue to build on that performance does not mean he's a choker.

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 7 2008, 11:52 AM

I disagree that Yoann wasn't given a chance at Milan. I think he was and that he didn't show whatever it was he needed to show to stay and to play more. You guys like the player and that's fine; I happen not to.