Who said it was gonna be one on one? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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Sorry Jack, but two scotsmen and an Irishman is an unbeatable combination that always the same way...total pwnage

So does anybody know what this guy is like?

I don't even know what position he plays.

He's a young striker, aged 17. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I haven't seen him play, but one of my friend who lives in Sweden said he's a solid attacking player. I won't mind him once (and if) he improves.

As dst said in another thread, what the point of buying these players to waste them on our bench? We all know that as long as it's Carlo whose coaching the team then these young players would even struggle to make the Coppa Italia first 11.

I don't know why you would say that han ... But isn't Antonini and Pato getting chances to cement their place into the first team ? Borriello also is being highly regarded by Carlo ..

So why couldn't it be that all those youngsters weren't good enough/ had something lacking to play for this team ?! Why does it always have to fall on Carlo ?!

Like I responded to you in another thread regarding this. Neither Boriello nor Antonini are 'youngsters' as you call them. Both are 26 years old, or close to 27 years old. I wouldn't classify them as inexperienced youngsters who Carlo discovered with his keen eye for talent. One of them was competing for the top scorer position in the league and the other was one of Empoli's best players last season, there's a big difference when comparing these 2 guys to players like Viudez/Cardacio/Darmian. So I can't see how you would compare Boriello and Antonini to this Soder kid.

As for Pato, Carlo is pressurised to play him becuase of the price tag he was brought in for and because Silvio and Galliani both love him. If it were up to Carlo Pippo would be the one getting the nod in every game, no matter if he was scoring goals or not.

This is the type of coach Carlo is, he prefers experiance over youth. He doesn't believe that young players such as Gourcuff/Cardacio/Darmian deserve all that time put into them to develop.

I give Carlo the credit only where it's due, for example, Pirlo imo was because of Carlo's genius, if it weren't for him we might be seeing Pirlo playing behind the strikers in some middle table team today. Seedorf was also down to Carlo. He was the one that came up with the idea to play him as a central midfielder rather then a trequartista.

But if Boriello hadn't been loaned out last season and hadn't scored the ammount of goals he did you can rest assured that he won't be a first 11 player in our team.

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 5 2008, 02:53 PM

Pato? If he did not play Pato he would not just be stubborn, he would be retarded.

Antonini is 26 and he is fielded out of place while Borriello is also 26 and when he WAS considered a young player, Ancelotti rarely gave him any chances. These two are not youngsters.

Why does Carlo have to be innocent for anything? Why do you defend him every single time, that's biased. He's a human and he makes mistakes... Every coach makes mistakes and any of us would make mistakes. When you're looking from the outside it's easy to spot the mistakes... we're talking from a safe side now as we would do better but that does not mean we're (always) wrong. Unless you think he's flawless in which case there's no point going on.

Carletto is a MILF Hunter. That's a fact. And it's not a bad thing in itself. The thing is, some times he's unjust towards the younger players and you should be able to see that since you watch Milan regularly. Unless, again, everything he does is positive to you...

han .. How do you know that Carlo is 'pressurised' to play Pato because of his price tag ?

Why can't it be that Pato is proving in training that he is worthy of a chance in teh first team ?

Gourcuff is something else han, when he came to Milan he didn't get much chance playing ... But he got something else, he got experience and learned a lot. Look at him now, all that you see of him, he learned in Milan. Of course the talent is there, but his tactical knowledge and sharpness came from Milanello that is for sure.

Borreillo proved at Genoa that he had more to offer and so he came back ... There is nothing wrong with that move.

Antonini and Borriello I keep considering them babies when paired to this team, I dont know why (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Anyways, bottom line is ... This is a club which over the past 20 years has produced a team that is able to win, never has Berlusconi ever stopped and said "alright, we need to build a team for the future with youth players .. " .. Instead he would buy players, quality players and tell the coach "Go get me a trophy" This is the Milan I have grown up knowing.

The Milan is the same R7, with Mr. B and Galliani, but the coach is different this time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Remember how Paolo got his chance at the age of 16, and look where he's ended up. Of course, the coach saw something in him back then, and promoted him to first team football allowing him to develop. Had he not done that or loaned him, there was a big chance he'd have ended at some other club. Juve, comes to mind.

Bottom line is, Carlo failed to do the same with Gorcuff, Darmian and even Paloschi (to an extent). The reason? He doesn't believe too much in youth and unproven talent. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) When all these guys could have been useful for us, right at this very moment. Don't tell me that Gorcuff, Darmian and Paloschi couldn't have played Copa and UEFA Cup games, as well as being on the standby for Serie A. Okay, not Paloshci, maybe, but we sure as hell could have tried fitting them in our current system, instead of looking at other clubs for new players.

I've said it before, he's a bit of an elitist, so only the best (in this case old, proven players) fit into his system. Be them Brocchi, or Favalli, or Kaladze, or Emerson. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I was even afraid he might play Ibrahim Ba when we ran out of options last season, and Gorcuff was no where in sight, not even as a substitute. Pato's case will always be different. Look at Sheva - Carlo and him had their differences in 2005-2006 and they still don't see eye to eye. Anyway, point is, all these stuff doesn't make Carlo look too bad, after all he's done for Milan, but that doesn't make him look great either.

For those boardmembers critical of Ancelotti: do you think he does anything right? Or is he just a bad coach?

For those boardmembers who defend Ancelotti: do you think he does anything wrong? Or is he just a wonderful coach?

I'm pretty sure that he is pressurised, he throws little digs at Pato at times that he doesn't do this wel and that well, almost trying to crush his morale so he wouldn't play well and he has an excuse to bench him. Like I said, he would prefer playing Pippo over him in any game, but he knows he'll get slaughtered if he does that and so he continues to play him. And if you think his price tag has nothing to do with it then you're very mistaken. Galliani would have a coronary after spending that ammount on Pato for him to be constantly on the bench

Gourcuff? We probably lost one of the most promising midfielders around right now thatnks to Carlo. Sure Gourcuff still got some experiance while at Milan but what is that worth to us when he's doing the business for another team? Yoann was never going to stick around for the kind of treatment he recieved for Carlo, not when he's that talented and treated as someone lesser then Brocchi and Emerson, it was never going to happen. Like I said we lost a real jewel in Yoann only thanks to Carlo.

You admitted it yourself regarding Boriello, had he never scored that ammount for Genoa then he surely won't be playing as a starter in Carlo's team. And with your theory, wasn't Boriello's talent always there? If Carlo had such a keen eye like you say wouldn't he have been able to notice that somethng special in Boriello during training and played him? And saved us from having to loan him to a million teams?

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 5 2008, 03:51 PM

han, the last time Carlo Ancelotti mentioned Pato in a press conference, he PRAISED him for working on something that needed to be improved. how is this taking a dig and breaking his spirit?

Like I said to R7, I credit Carlo where he deserves it, for example Pirlo and Seedorf reached their full potential under Carlo's guidence.

The CL of 02/03 and the Scudetto of 03/04 were both in thanks to Carlo. Milan played attacking football with a never say die attitude in both those tournaments, and that is thanks to Carlo. But as for the CL in 07, I don't see it as Carlo's achievment and he certainly has his set of faults, particularly now that he has reverted back to that Carletto that managed Juve, the cowardly one known as an almost man.

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 5 2008, 03:54 PM

Its pointless han ... You are just convinced that Carlo is a youth-player killer and Galliani is as stingy as a ...


Yes Borriello had the talent, he showed it once or twice when he was given a chance the season before he was shipped out. The reason he was brought back is that he showed his worth and thus he came back.

Milan didn't loose Gourcuff, Milan loaned him out to get a chance at first team football. For all we know, he could be a first team starter next season (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

And Pato ... Dunga benched him, Carlo benched him ... Does that me they want to kill his motivation ?! I mean, both Dunga and Carlo pointed out that the kid lacks something and in that aspect we know very little about, as THEY are the experts while all we see is 30 or 90 mins of the kid per week.

Don't go overboard han, if you feel that you want to stick with your assumptions that Galliani is stingy and Carlo is out to get rid of every youth player there is in his team then I'm not stopping you, just telling you as a friend that there might be something that we all are missing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)