Frankly I don't think any of their strikers come up to par with Pato. Not Sobis (where is he going? Oh yes Qatar or something), not Jo (why Dunga trusts him more than Pato is beyond me)...

I think Pato has matured quite quickly...

But Brazil are playing a senior team match, am I right? That means - Robinho, Luis Fabiano, Jo, Baptista,... more then enough.

Robinho is the only one that you can say has the same type of talent as Pato has, the others apart from being more mature and experianced are not better then Pato.

They don't have as much quality in attack as people have come to expect from Brazil

so true. if you can even consider this a problem, i think brazil's problem is the type of players they have. kaka and dinho are extremely creative players, but their creativity would be accentuated by a hit man. THAT is why they use luis fabiano, whose quite a clinical finisher around the goal..BUT, fabiano doesnt really create for himself, he needs service on a silver platter. Meanwhile, robinho and pato aren't CLINICAL finishers either, but they do create well for themselves and others..yet prefer balls to their feet. They are more creators than finishers and they play the same position, BOTH are support strikers, they can't really play at the same time. I think an on form Adriano, if he were to regain the form of 2004-5, could save them, big, strong, fast, powerful, clinical (drogba-esque)..but if he doesn't they've got some problems. they no longer have that DECISIVE striker that Ronaldo used to be for them..

This post has been edited by vnata001: Sep 4 2008, 07:27 PM

Edit it before dst see's the post! I'm sure he'll punch you for saying Robinho has any talent at all, let alone anything like Pato's!

Call me fanboy, Pato mad, whatever you want, but I won't write off Pato as a prima punta. I think he can do very well in that position. he's no Shevchenko when it comes to headers? Ronaldo (LNdL) wasn't a good header either. or maybe I should put it this way: he didn't need to use his head because he could do whatever he wanted with his feet, and scored a crazy amount of goals. now Pato is arguably a better header compared to Ronaldo (at the age of 19 he has already scored a handful of well-taken headers and he sure can improve at that). yet he doesn't really need to have that ability to become a world class goal scorer. he just needs experience and time.


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Robinho as talented as Pato? sure.

Robinho as good as Pato when he was 18-19? never.

Go dst! For some weird reason, I am now a Pato fan cuz of u. I really really want him to do well.
But right now, we have seen a bit what Pato can do. The only barrier that's stopping him from becoming explosive is time and of course, Carlo Ancelotti.

You summed it up in a few words (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Seriously, sometimes people forget they're talking about such a young striker; he needs time. he's not a finished article yet. it's easy to find to weak points in him and it's easier to bash him for not being perfect yet. though few footballers have been better than him at this age. few have managed to get their way to the starting XI of a club as big as Milan. there is Messi, who came from Barca's youth system, same goes for Bojan, etc. it's not easy to move from your home country at the age of 17 to a new country, new team with different style of play compared to South American ones, new league (which is head and shoulders above the Brazilian league in every aspect), new teammates, etc. and still manage to do these things; score 9 goals in a few months (not to mention the injury setbacks he went throught), show such promise, etc.
I can't stand people who say he's overrated because he has already proved he is not! he had a bad Olympic, so what? Dunga didn't trust him and his teammates didn't really provide him with gold chances on silver platters through the tournament. he was up there on his own most of times. he's yet to have a few bad games in a row for Milan [which is not really unusual for someone like him] even that is not a worrying sign, let alone that 20 minutes against Bologna, which doesn't mean anything at all.
Anyway... I hope he convinces Carlo to use him as a lone striker in front of Dinho-Kaka against Genoa.

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Sep 5 2008, 10:27 AM

I don't think dst is coming back. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) At least not so early from his trip to distant galazies. So no reason to worry, Han.

For better or for worse, I don't believe Carlo believes in being convinced. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) He'll bench you if he feels so, and in my honest opinion that's one of the down points of our coach.

(Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

I don't think it's a patience issue, Dunga gave full confidence in the beginning, but I saw him playing and honestly he didn't suit the tactic at all, he wasn't enough mobile up front and deserted his position more than once, maybe he has the characteristics of a prima punta but he can't play in that position yet, he needs time! The other thing that worries me about him is his work rate, he may has class but if he doesn't run for the ball and just wait for it he'll become a burden for the team (the way R9 was at times even though he's a better finisher), he must improve a lot!
I agree though that Dunga shouldn't have criticized him publicly . By the way, this story about him being kind of careless started last year when some medias said that it was the reason Carlo benched him ... hope it's not true!

Edit. Il Corriere is reporting that kaka, dida and puma dined with him lately and are very engaged and concerned about him ... nice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

This post has been edited by morgoth: Sep 5 2008, 11:25 AM

He has a point, he is just 19 has time a lot of time, and considering he is training with players like Kaka', Ronnie, and S7 .. He will learn a lot

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Like acid said, dst can't do anything to me since he's still in a galazy far away


Don't gang up on me now.

My view was un-biased, Robinho wasn't as good as Pato is during that age, but he had a remarkable goal tally at Santos before his move to Real.

Regarding pure talent, Pato wins out imo, but in terms of the strikers Brazil have right now, Robinho and Pato are the only ones that you can say have the talent to rival the strikers Brazil had in the past

This post has been edited by han2503: Sep 5 2008, 09:40 PM

Far, far, away. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) As in Star Wars.


Hey, where does that leave Rafael Sobis? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

He's not very talented at all. If he was, why the move to the UAE was it? Though I heard the move fell through...

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/overs...Real_Betis.html

He's a poor striker at best... dunno why Dunga relies on him.