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Giancarlo
post Aug 28 2008, 03:59 AM
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QUOTE (milano84 @ Aug 28 2008, 03:55 AM) *
pretty sure sheva wasnt a loan. Berlu bought him for undisclosed amount. Undisclosed mainly because of political reasons. Doesnt look good for him to spend when italian economy is not doing well...I am willing to bet it was a decent sum of money, although we sold him 2 years ago for FAR more than he performed, so it isnt really a loss for us. Eitherway it is what it is. Berlusconi LOVES sheva, he is his godson, he's going to do what he wants so its really a pointless argument...

We needed a 4th striker, paloschi is nowhere near milan ready....should pato and borriello mesh well, sheva wont mind the bench... its become his friend last 2 seasons. However i think he'll be more than serviceable


Wrong. On the official website where contracts are posted, it is listed as a loan. Don't tell me that the website is lying.

http://www.lega-calcio.it/ita/trasferimenti08090.shtml

SHEVCHENKO Andriy CHELSEA TEMPORANEO 26/08/2008

At least do your research before you make accusations. And as far as the Italian economy... don't turn this into a political thing when it isn't.
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post Aug 28 2008, 04:07 AM
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"pretty sure sheva wasnt a loan." is by no means an accusatory tone...
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(didn't look like an accusation to me; looked like some mistaken information, that's all.)

I'm going to fall halfway in between this disagreement. I think it was a loan-with-purchase sort of thing. Ie, a 1 year loan with purchase to follow. dont' think for a moment that Shevchenko will return to Chelsea. As for why the sum wasn't disclosed, there are arguments on both sides: some say it was a crazy sum of money that Berlusconi doesn't want to disclose while others say Abramovich doesn't want people knowing how little he went for.

In any event, Shevchenko is a Milan player for this season at least, for better or worse. While I've got my doubts (and people are probably tired of hearing about them), I hope I'm wrong and that his return will be a pleasant surprise in many ways.
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post Aug 28 2008, 04:09 AM
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QUOTE (Habitant @ Aug 28 2008, 04:07 AM) *
"pretty sure sheva wasnt a loan." is by no means an accusatory tone...


no, but the part about the political reasons for Berlusconi keeping it up under wraps (the details) were...

The thing is this: Shevchenko was a loan deal. Fact.

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QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 27 2008, 08:09 PM) *
no, but the part about the political reasons for Berlusconi keeping it up under wraps (the details) were...

The thing is this: Shevchenko was a loan deal. Fact.


how is that accusatory, it was just matter of fact. he has a business to run but also public appearance to look for. are u berlusconi, am i bad mouthing u? Am i even badmouthing berlu. it was just the logic i read, made sense to me

http://transfermarketweb.com/index.php?act...amp;idsel=23351

thats where i got my info, i went on acmilan.com there is no mention of details eitherway. His wikipedia also reitterates the same point as tmw.
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QUOTE (milano84 @ Aug 28 2008, 03:39 AM) *
how is that accusatory, it was just matter of fact. he has a business to run but also public appearance to look for. are u berlusconi, am i bad mouthing u? Am i even badmouthing berlu. it was just the logic i read, made sense to me

http://transfermarketweb.com/index.php?act...amp;idsel=23351

thats where i got my info, i went on acmilan.com there is no mention of details eitherway. His wikipedia also reitterates the same point as tmw.


I took what I said from the OFFICIAL market website by Lega-Calcio. So what you said was not factual. IF you have a problem with what they said, I'm sure you can email them or contact them. you made a suggestion it was political.

Shevchenko's transfer was a loan + with possible buy later... or they may loan him to us again, until his contract runs out at chelsea (like Crespo was done with inter).

Are you saying my source is lying?

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Guys, please. BASTA with the accusations and counter-accusations. Let's take the town down a touch, shall we?
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Welcome Milano84...great to hear from you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Do you guys think $heva can regain some of his pace? I think he can with the right training regimen....he has to train less (to be more nimble and use all of his remaining acceleration) and Ronaldinho has to train more (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I forgot one other great thing about $h!tchel$ki...he takes some pretty decent free kicks....with Pirlo, Seedorf, Pato and Ronaldinho competing for FK's we might see more goals this way. Last season no matter how poor Pirlo was he always got the nod. The other great thing about $heva is his distance shooting.

As far as the loan/ownership thing....my suspicion is that the odds on him not moving back to Chel$ki are unfortunately very high (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Funny how we didn't have money for the transfers that Carlo actually wanted but we spend on the likes of $have (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) . AAAHH well at least Carlo now has a great squad and won't ever be tempted to pick Brocchi (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Aug 28 2008, 04:52 AM) *
Welcome Milano84...great to hear from you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Do you guys think $heva can regain some of his pace? I think he can with the right training regimen....he has to train less (to be more nimble and use all of his remaining acceleration) and Ronaldinho has to train more (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


I think he needs to regain skills and tactics... pace is secondary as Italian football is tactical, not pace based. He won't have to move all that much in Italian football.

That's just my view on this...

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As far as the loan/ownership thing....my suspicion is that the odds on him not moving back to Chel$ki are unfortunately very high (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Funny how we didn't have money for the transfers that Carlo actually wanted but we spend on the likes of $have (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) . AAAHH well at least Carlo now has a great squad and won't ever be tempted to pick Brocchi (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


As I said he may get loaned out until his contract expires, thus is a free agent at that point.
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QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 27 2008, 02:53 PM) *
I'm just sick and tired of your attitude.

Costacurta I think has it wrong if that was in fact what he said... and we know goal.com often mistranslates and misrepresents the views of many.


sorry but as long as your here you will abide by the rules and you will not say you are tired of someones attitude because you have no right. If you dont like it here please click the X button at the top right.

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post Aug 28 2008, 06:19 AM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 28 2008, 04:57 AM) *
sorry but as long as your here you will abide by the rules and you will not say you are tired of someones attitude because you have no right. If you dont like it here please click the X button at the top right.


Are you a moderator? Unless I'm told from a moderator, I will not listen to you. Nor will I be ordered around with some who has an obvious bias. I have no right? Really? Tell me why do I not have a right to speak my mind? Don't like what I have to say about certain individuals who have ill intentions?

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QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 27 2008, 11:19 PM) *
Are you a moderator? Unless I'm told from a moderator, I will not listen to you. Nor will I be ordered around with some who has an obvious bias. I have no right? Really? Tell me why do I not have a right to speak my mind? Don't like what I have to say about certain individuals who have ill intentions?


fine you want to be dealt with a moderator? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) even better, just a question before you joined did you even bother reading the forum rules?

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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 28 2008, 05:20 AM) *
fine you want to be dealt with a moderator? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) even better, just a question before you joined did you even bother reading the forum rules?


Yes I did. But don't patronize me. I know how to read. It's just some around here didn't bother looking at it. There are basic rules of etiquette and I for the most have been civil, though a bit blunt and very direct, in my exchanges. I haven't insulted anyone, nor do I want to.
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