I'll have to disagree on Alves/Zambrotta there. Zambrotta has done nothing but give poor performances for both club and country since the 2006 World Cup finished, while Dani Alves has won quite a few trophies with Sevilla, helping them to 3rd in the league in the process. He's undoubtedly been better than Zambrotta the last 24-months and has the potential to get even better.

Zambrotta at his very best in his career > Alves at his best so far. But Zambrotta hasn't seen those 'very best' days for a while now.

Zambrotta certainly has got his spark back and he was one of the best Italian players in the Euro 2008. While Italy did not win (mostly having to do with the absence of Pirlo), Zambrotta was one of my favorite players.

To say he hasn't seen those very best days again is a tad bit misleading, and I feel that he could really make an impact one he gels into the team (which appears to be happening).

I think Zambrotta is poised to make a big comeback, and I think this whole discussion about whether we should have got Alves will be put to rest. As I said, Alves is overpriced, overrated and it was more Sevilla as a team that won those trophies, not just him.

Shevcento !! literally (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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nice to see them together !!

Really nice..Sheva and Ronnie in the same team..WOW...

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Add Kaka to that and we have 3 golden ball winners on board (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

I really thought I would never see that before... Sheva and Ronaldinho in the same team...

Sheva looks really happy...

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 26 2008, 07:08 PM

Those two will be a handful for Serie A

And tell me this happens at other teams (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Forza Milan !

I bolded some really doubtfull parts out. Far more potential? How much potential do you expect a 31 year old defender who's won everything there is to win (except the EURO) has? I mean, at this point, the 14yold kid in my backyard has more potential. Potential is a relative parameter, and has nothing to do with facts.

Solid? Solid also does not cover anything special. 70% of the RB's are defensively solid.

But all does points (I wouldn't call them facts) you pointed out are not telling that much. Take Dario Srna for example - he surpasses Zambrotta in all points from 1 to 4, and Alves especially on points 3 and 5. Does that mean he's better? I'm not sure.

Dani Alves NOW maybe is in a better form. As you said, he has potential, talent and did very good in Sevilla. But I said that while Zambrotta allready proven as a world class player who played great matches with Juventus and Italy for over 7 years, Alves didn't exactly play for Brazil on a major tournament (except the Copa America), or for Barca in the CL (yet).

I just won't be to hasty with comments. Zambro is a proven class IMO. Out of form? Yes. But he's unquestionably a champion. Alves? He still has much to prove.

Current form suggests otherwise....If zambrotta's assist to Scholes and performance in the Euros doesn't grab you, I'm hoping that Alves being both the Player of the Season for Sevilla's Uefa Cup winning season and his subsequent MVP for the Super Cup may change your mind...not that a silly thing like logic ever messed up your arguments (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



fast, right-back, skillful, a leader and brazillian....yip you're right he's NOTHING like Cafu (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

you're right....Carlo's system dictates that since the centre midfield is packed...the wingbacks should be the ones to establish width. These wingbacks should be FAST since the buildup play in midfield is slow (Seedorf and Pirlo ) and someone has to make the over-lapping runs...phew good thing we didn't get Alves - he's NONE of those things (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Yep, but it would have been far better if they were on the same team about 2-3 years ago (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) But we'll see, maybe both can regain their form

btw, sorry to interrupt the whole Zambrotta/Alves discussion but can we please just leave it to rest? Or at least take it over to the Zambrotta thread (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by han2503: Aug 26 2008, 07:35 PM

Zambrotta never fit into Barcelona. And besides the game against Romania, Zambrotta did quite well throughout the Euro Cup. I think Chiellini was the best defender, but Zambrotta did quite well. Alves is overrated in my eyes and nothing you say will convince me. And no it doesn't change my mind.

Logic? You use logic? where exactly? I'd like to see it. And your arguments have been messed up countless times in the past. You refuse to listen to other opinions and then if someone says something different than you, you get nasty.

Alves and Quaresma are so over-rated and there are many better players than either of them out there.



Opinion, opinion and more opinion. Cafu was one of the best Brazilian defenders ever... Alves has nothing on him.



There you go again. Complaining and complaining and complaining. That's all you do. Alves simply is not appropriate for Milan. There are better players out there. Your logic is poor too. Too many assumptions.

But this is a thread about Shevchenko. I see you still have personal problems with me. I suggest you private message me, or let this be done with.

Can Alves actually defend?

NOOO!!!!!

Don't do that Tennie, now this discussion will start all over again from the beginning (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)