What the hell are you talking about?!? I didn't insult Costacurta.

Some of you think you like/love one player more than others do, and it's really really sickening. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/puke.gif)


And oh, seems like Kaka has more haters on this forum than I previously thought. you guys can't stop mentioning the Athens final one day but when it comes to the one who almost single handedly won it for us... phew... he has offered very little? now that's a laugh. only six players in our history have won the Ballon d'Or and Kaka is one of them. only three players in our 'rich history' have won the Fifa world player of the year award in our history and Kaka is one of them. seven times we have managed to win the European championship and one of them was won mainly thanks to him. he has contributed enough to Milan [and will continue to do so] to be considered a legend and he is. doesn't matter if some of you don't really like him.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Everyone has favourite players, zd, including yourself. That said, even if Kaka has had some WONDERFUL years with Milan, I at least (and apparently not dst either) don't think he's quite reached the level of a Baresi or a Maldini or a Costacurta (guys who, while they may not have won the World Player of the Year award, DID win multiple European Cups with what is probably the best club team of all time). Give Kaka another 5 years in the Milan jersey and then, yeah. It'd be appropriate to talk legend status.

I agree with you there Zd. One example is that a few people on here see Pippo as some sort of legend - even considered having his number retired! But Pippo has done very little compared to Kaka' in my opinion. Heck, Pippo has only really had 1 good season for Milan in terms of goalscoring, the rest he's done very little, except a few goals in a CL every now and then (And this recent bit of temporary form).

Actually, I bet Kaka' has played more games, and scored more goals, for Milan than Pippo has!

Some players do seem 'untouchable' for some reason. And I really don't know why. I'll criticise anyone if they deserve it, if Maldini puts in a bad performance, it's no different than if Dida does, he deserves the same criticism.

No one hates Kaka'. We ALL love Kaka'.

We all have eyes ... We all have minds to comprehend Z, and we all saw how Kaka' orchestrated Milan's dream to reach Athena! We all know he is first choice and indispensable to this club.

But a legendary status is something and freezing a number is something else. Kaka' has written his name in Milan's history, and no doubt he has another good six years to continue doing that. But that has nothing to do with the club freezing the number 22. I mean, not MVB or Altafini had such done for them and they were as crucial as Kaka' is. To freeze a number, you have to reach the status of Franco or Paolo ... And I'm sorry to say this but Kaka' is light-years away from that.

Still, Kaka' is our talisman, the focus of our attack! No one can say otherwise.


What dst is saying ... Is that if Billy didn't get his shirt frozen, then why should Kaka' get it ?

Worst part is, they'll probably be defending Kaka [like they defend Pippo or Maldini or Billy now] five or seven years from now.

There's a long way between actually liking a player and 'pretending' to like a player. judging on some of the members' posts I've got the impression they are mostly pretending the like him. perhaps if he was Italian he would have gotten a lot more credit than this.

I think what dst said is very clear: it's a disgrace Kaka's name is mentioned next to Billy's. how do you interpret that?... personally as a Milan I felt insulted to see someone talk about our current best player like this.

Believe me if I had said something like this about Pippo I would've gotten slaughtered on here.

Sometimes I think the word legend gets thrown around too often! I mean to be called a legend you have to prove your undying love for a particular club. Paolo, Baresi, and Billy are the only three who deserve the tag. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Case in point: Rui Costa. He's as big a legend as any for Benfica - despite playing the best part of his career in Italy. It's his love that took him back there to spend the last few years in front of his home fans. He's as adored there as Paolo is in Milan.

Kaka will snug in an all-time Milan XI with ease. Give him some time to be called a legend. He's one in the making. And if he spends another six, ten years donning the Red and Black, no one can deny him the status. Look at Sheva, he made one bad call and not many people call him a legend. So is Inzaghi. Irrespective of all the million dollar goals he's scored for us, he's still a far cry from being called a legend. He's one of our best performing players of all time, nonetheless, but a legend? No thank you.

A legend is someone like Batistuta - how many medals and trophies he missed by staying loyal to Fiorentina? You can't count them if you tried. He could have sleepwalked into the top 3 clubs of that time, but he spent seven years there. Ditto for Rui Costa, who after spending five years was sold to us because of financial troubles at Viola. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Respect the word LEGEND. It's not something you see often.

I personally think that Kaka is the best player in the world. Full stop.

That said, the one thing that does get on my nerves is the perception I have that some folks think he's the only good player on the team and that all the Italians suck. We all KNOW Kaka is good, we don't need it shoved down our throats at every opportunity. That doesn't mean that everyone else in a Milan jersey is a bad player unworthy of any praise.

So I do think there's really some middle ground in this disagreement, at least there is on my part. Perhaps we all need to be a little more understanding of the opinions of others.

Agreed. He is by far the best header of the ball in the squad. Gila is second strongest



QFT. Thats the right attitude. People for some reason think that certain players are immune from criticism, that is not the case. Praise when necessary criticise when required. We cant just turn a blind eye for sentimentaility.



I dont think dst meant that. It didnt even really sound like he implied it. What dst is trying to say is that kaka has a long way to go before he can match Costacurta's stature. Billy was around for so long, suffered, bled and gave everything for a longer amount of time than Kaka. There is no doubt in my mind that Kaka will be a legend, just at the moment he is a hero

I don't believe that to be the case. The whole Italian team combined can't shine a light to the talent and skills this guy has got. But you just can't compare him to Billy. Yet. The guy gave two decades to this club, and got nothing in return. Everything Kaka touches turns to gold. He's the best paid, and most respected player in the world. Tell me anyone else that's better?

And if five or ten years down the road some people adore Kaka, then he'd have earned the legend status. Trust me on this one, Z. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The Italians hunt in packs. Their team spirit is their strength. As long as they are united and play as one team, they can be the top two team in the world (behind Brazil) any given Sunday. Germany, Spain, England can come in next. Even in games, Italian team chemistry is listed as over 90 every year. For a club like Real Madrid it's around 37. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Sure there are some very, very talented Italian, who can claim to be the world's best in their positions, but their main strength and skill is their team spirit and chemistry. Once that's down, as was in World Cup 2002, they fall apart. But if they play to their strength, few teams can dream of beating them.

(No need for these kind of remarks r7)Max... So I am sure, you can tolerate other's views (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You guys were talking about having the number frozen ..

Costacurta, has given much more to Milan than Kaka' ... Not discarding Kaka' ofcourse, for he is by far Milan's best player atm ... Costacurta is a legend to this generation, the one before it, the one before that, the one before that also, and for the one before that too .. Costacurta has been playing with Milan long before Silvio Berlusconi came to Milan. Costacurta was an integral part in the gli invinsibli era, he formed what was then known as the old guard (the best defense Europe even saw) .. And has won countless trophies. Hence, dst said if Milan didn't freeze Costacurta's number for the years of service, why should they freeze Kaka's number (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ... When he said that 'disgrace' it was when you asserted that Kaka' had done more etc etc ..


Pippo ? what has he got to do with this ? ... Well for the record, he wont get his number frozen! And Pippo is no where near Costacurta, Paolo or Baresi .. In terms of legendary status he is a legend, as is MVB, etc .. But he didn't give as much as Paolo, Costacurta or Baresi ... If there is one player (other than Maldini) on our current lineup worth freezing his number, it is Ambrosini (because of the years of service he has given, but even then he is no where near Costacurta or Maldini)!



p.s. Kaka', Pippo, etc these guys have written their names into Milan's history and ten or twenty years down the road, Milanista's will be talking about them ... But not in the same breath as they would for Costacurta, Baresi or Maldini (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Lack of strength or a fix? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I'd put Inzaghi second behind Ambro, but then again that's just me. Gila is a very strong, physical player (when he's in the mood), with a very decent header. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Both. But you can't deny they sucked. Even against Korea, Vieri missing all those easy chances, Del Piero was no where to be seen. Gattuso making his stupid little runs to the goal. Maldini was the only player putting his guts on the line. It just wasn't an Italian game if you ask me. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

The Italian team of 2006 will walk over Korea 92 times out of hundred.