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Prima Squadra  Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660  |
I do think it's wrong blaming it on foreign players, I'd blame the managers who bring them in. Instead of 'growing' their own players, the big teams just buy somebody internationally as a 'quick fix'.
United are a good example of this. 15 years ago they had Beckham, Butt, Scholes and the Neville brothers all come through. They were what the teams succes in the 90s was built on. Nowadays the only United youth product is Chris Eagles, people may disagree, but he will grow into a decent player. But that's one guy, it's not enough. Stuart Pearce, the England Under-21 coach, also made a good point. Previous U21 managers used to go to Liverpool, United and Arsenal to pick their teams, the best of the young English talent. Now, Theo Walcott and Chris Eagles are the only two England U21 hopefulls from all 3 of those squads. Pearce has to make his team up of mainly Villa, Newcastle and Spurs players, in my view we're lacking because the big teams aren't too worried about bringing their players through properly when they can just spend on youth. Instead of United having the new Scholes, Becks and Butt they've bought in Nani, Anderson and Cristiano. Why? Because it's easy, and takes no effort. In the future we'll be seeing Spurs, Villa and Newcastle filling up the England squad, a very scary thought. On a personal note I have nothing against foreign players coming in. Guys like Henry, Zola, Bergkamp and van Nistelrooy have helped make the Premier League what it is, so I think it's shameful to then critisice them for being here. This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Sep 4 2007, 09:19 PM |
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Sep 4 2007, 10:49 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 2,972 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Montreal Member No.: 2,592 |
check the changes sumone made to diarra's profil. check the last part about arsenal and his hounours !!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassana_Diarra |
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Sep 4 2007, 10:54 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 2,972 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Montreal Member No.: 2,592 |
oh sumone changed it. it said that lassana is a greasy monkey that wings from tree to tree (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) and that he won the world faggot award.
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Sep 4 2007, 10:56 PM
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Insert cool title here<--  Group: Moderators Posts: 4,121 Joined: 7-May 06 From: Berlin, Germany Member No.: 1,792 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 4 2007, 09:12 PM) I do think it's wrong blaming it on foreign players, I'd blame the managers who bring them in. Instead of 'growing' their own players, the big teams just buy somebody internationally as a 'quick fix'. United are a good example of this. 15 years ago they had Beckham, Butt, Scholes and the Neville brothers all come through. They were what the teams succes in the 90s was built on. Nowadays the only United youth product is Chris Eagles, people may disagree, but he will grow into a decent player. But that's one guy, it's not enough. Stuart Pearce, the England Under-21 coach, also made a good point. Previous U21 managers used to go to Liverpool, United and Arsenal to pick their teams, the best of the young English talent. Now, Theo Walcott and Chris Eagles are the only two England U21 hopefulls from all 3 of those squads. Pearce has to make his team up of mainly Villa, Newcastle and Spurs players, in my view we're lacking because the big teams aren't too worried about bringing their players through properly when they can just spend on youth. Instead of United having the new Scholes, Becks and Butt they've bought in Nani, Anderson and Cristiano. Why? Because it's easy, and takes no effort. In the future we'll be seeing Spurs, Villa and Newcastle filling up the England squad, a very scary thought. On a personal note I have nothing against foreign players coming in. Guys like Henry, Zola, Bergkamp and van Nistelrooy have helped make the Premier League what it is, so I think it's shameful to then critisice them for being here.  That's a real problem in every big football nation. Cheep players from eastern europe and lots of south americans are playing in the big leagues teams. Some clubs in Germany don't even have german players in their first XI. The DFL (Association of the Bundesliga clubs) now adopted the so called "local player" regulation, which means 1. No more limited spots for non europeans, but 2. There have to be at least 3 players which have been trained by the club (meaning their youth teams) and 3 players trained by a DFB club. I think that's a pretty good idea to force the big clubs to work on their youth squads. And it's working here, especially Bayern have a very strong youth programm: Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Lell...all players trained by the club, with their biggest prospect Toni Kroos (17yo) yet to make an impact. About the french. Don't like them either but some of you guys are being to harsh on this IMO. Many of them are arrogant but can't blame THE FRENCH for something one or two french said... This post has been edited by LaPalma: Sep 4 2007, 10:58 PM |
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Sep 4 2007, 11:02 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 2,972 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Montreal Member No.: 2,592 |
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Sep 4 2007, 04:56 PM) That's a real problem in every big football nation. Cheep players from eastern europe and lots of south americans are playing in the big leagues teams. Some clubs in Germany don't even have german players in their first XI. The DFL (Association of the Bundesliga clubs) now adopted the so called "local player" regulation, which means 1. No more limited spots for non europeans, but 2. There have to be at least 3 players which have been trained by the club (meaning their youth teams) and 3 players trained by a DFB club. I think that's a pretty good idea to force the big clubs to work on their youth squads. And it's working here, especially Bayern have a very strong youth programm: Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Lell...all players trained by the club, with their biggest prospect Toni Kroos (17yo) yet to make an impact. About the french. Don't like them either but some of you guys are being to harsh on this IMO. Many of them are arrogant but can't blame THE FRENCH for something one or two french said... ya obviously not all the french are like this but it's quite obvious the majority of them on the national team think this way. gallas, thuram,Desailly, etc... al said stuff that wasnt warranted. This post has been edited by bigmacmtl: Sep 4 2007, 11:03 PM |
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Sep 5 2007, 12:08 AM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 4 2007, 09:56 PM) What's that got to do with what Diarra is saying? A spat between Italy and France, it's obviously Englands fault. Come on Kurt... I can't believe it you accuse me of blaming England on this! I wasn't even thinking of England when I typed that post, only about the league Diarra plays in... I guess it's my mistake too for not setting forth more examples but I never had the intention to blame England for what he said! I was just trying to say that it happens everywhere... In Spain too, it's been more than a dozen times that the Zaragoza fans have been offensive! And where Diarra comes from... we all know what has happened there in the past year and we all know who France's prime minister is... |
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Sep 5 2007, 12:13 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
Fair enough. I'm not sure if Diarra's been called up? But I'm certain the likes of Rino will let him know just how the Italians feel about what he said. Saying it is going to be one of the worst mistakes he made!
P.S. I wasn't singling you out or anything, it's just a common trend! |
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Sep 5 2007, 12:25 AM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Helpers Posts: 6,764 Joined: 30-October 05 From: Israel Member No.: 787 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 5 2007, 02:13 AM) Fair enough. I'm not sure if Diarra's been called up? But I'm certain the likes of Rino will let him know just how the Italians feel about what he said. Saying it is going to be one of the worst mistakes he made! He's called but I don't think he'll play. He's jut a kid who don't know what he's talking about, but there is no need to generalize. This post has been edited by mishale: Sep 5 2007, 12:27 AM |
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Sep 5 2007, 12:30 AM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 4 2007, 07:25 PM) He's jut a kid who don't know what he's talking about, but there is no need to generalize. A very wise reminder, Mishale. Thanks. Can I still say Domenech is a *******?(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And Vieira too? |
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Sep 5 2007, 12:31 AM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Helpers Posts: 6,764 Joined: 30-October 05 From: Israel Member No.: 787 |
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 5 2007, 02:30 AM) Can I still say Domenech is a *******?(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And Vieira too? Yes (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Sep 5 2007, 01:13 AM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
This is not really Euro 2008-related but I didn't want to open a new thread for it... it seems like Brazil will be making a trip to the US for a couple of friendly games... Warchant don't you live in Chicago? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Cause if I remember correctly then you'll have the chance to watch Kaka play! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)
Here is a list of all Milan's called-up players (take from acmilan.com): CODE GATTUSO - AMBROSINI - INZAGHI - ODDO - PIRLO: Saturday 8 September 2007 - 20.50 - Italy-France at San Siro - Euro 2008 Qualifications Wednesday 12 September 2007 - 20.45 - Ukraine-Italy in Kiev - Euro 2008 Qualifications SEEDORF Saturday 8 September 2007 - 20.30 - Holland-Bulgaria in Amsterdam - Euro 2008 Qualifications Wednesday 12 September 2007 - 20.45 - Albania-Holland in Tirana - Euro 2008 Qualifications SIMIC Saturday 8 September 2007 - 20.30 - Croatia-Estonia in Zagabria - Euro 2008 Qualifications Wednesday 12 September 2007 - 18.00 - Andorra-Croatia in Andorra - Euro 2008 Qualifications KAKA' Sunday 9 Settembre - Usa-Brazil in Chicago - Friendly Wednesday 12 September - Brazil-Mexico - Boston - Friendly KALADZE Saturday 8 September 2007 - Georgia-Ukraine in Tbilisi - Euro 2008 Qualifications Wednesday 12 September 2007 - Azerbaijan-Georgia in Baku - Friendly JANKULOVSKI Saturday 8 September 2007 - S.Marino-Czech Republic in San Marino - Euro 2008 Qualifications Wednesday 12 September 2007 - Czech Republic-Ireland in Prague - Euro 2008 Qualifications GOURCUFF Friday 7 September 2007 - France-Wales - Grenoble - Euro Under 21 Qualifications Wednesday 12 September 2007 - Malta-France in Malta - Euro Under 21 Qualifications A full XI!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by dst: Sep 5 2007, 01:13 AM |
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Sep 6 2007, 01:11 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
They've made the refereeing assignments for the weekend games. (Check match previews on uefa.com for full list).
Some notable assignments: Italy-France Lubos Michel Portugal-Poland Roberto Rosetti England-Israel Pieter Vink Wales-Germany Mejuto Gonzalez Croatia-Estonia Jerome Laperriere Sweden-Denmark Franck de Bleeckere |
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Sep 6 2007, 01:37 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
Englands referee, Pieter Vink, has taken charge of one England game before from what I read, we beat Hungary 3-1, I'll take that. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Expect a flurry of cards in the Italy game, he seems to book every player on the pitch. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) |
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Sep 8 2007, 07:19 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
England defeated Israel 3-0.
Scotland defeated Lithuania 3-1. Georgia drew with Ukraine 1-1. And at halftime, it's 1-1 between Malta and Turkey. |
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Sep 8 2007, 07:42 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 11,735 Joined: 5-September 05 From: Portland Member No.: 347 |
RAI Uno International is broadcasting Italy-France.
Forza Azzurri! |
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