And I personally think that fans going in favour of UEFA just doesn't make any sense either.

UEFA and FIFA are probably 2 of the most corrupt "legit" organisations in the world. They've held the monopoly over football for too long imo

If you think it's easier for Leicester to compete with a bunch of billionaire state owned teams, that Atalanta competing with a few semi-rich clubs, you're living on a different planet.

Leicester are the reason this league exists. Because the money clubs don't like the idea that teams who buy and play smart can beat them when they're throwing money at everything.

The ONLY people that support these league are armchair customers. If you support this, you are not a football fan. You are a customer.

Football has to be a monopoly or it doesn't work. There is no prestige. You think football would be better if there were 2 or 3 World Cups every year held by different organisations?

Han, no offence but you are being very myopic about this whole argument. You are simply viewing this as a UEFA/FIFA-Super League war. You're focusing only on the business side, who's more corrupt. You're not looking at the bigger picture, i.e. the game of football.

You think greed is only one sided? These clubs are just as greedy and scrupulous as the governing bodies they're trying to fight against. But they're not fighting for what is right and wrong, they're simply fighting for the big bucks. They want to make more money, turn football into a bigger business and get richer and richer. And in doing so, they're killing the founding concept of competition that drives this sport.

Clubs have to fight and earn their right to participate into a major international league. If you're reserving this right by default only to a handful, what's the point anymore? What will Roma, Lazio, Atalanta, Napoli etc. fight for? Participate into a Champions League without any "champions" in it? Such a competition is not even conceivable because nobody will watch it and nobody will care to play in it anymore. It disrupts a system that might be governed by a corrupt entity, but that is founded on meritocracy.

Han, no offence but you are being very myopic about this whole argument. You are simply viewing this as a UEFA/FIFA-Super League war. You're focusing only on the business side, who's more corrupt. You're not looking at the bigger picture, i.e. the game of football.

You think greed is only one sided? These clubs are just as greedy and scrupulous as the governing bodies they're trying to fight against. But they're not fighting for what is right and wrong, they're simply fighting for the big bucks. They want to make more money, turn football into a bigger business and get richer and richer. And in doing so, they're killing the founding concept of competition that drives this sport.

Clubs have to fight and earn their right to participate into a major international league. If you're reserving this right by default only to a handful, what's the point anymore? What will Roma, Lazio, Atalanta, Napoli etc. fight for? Participate into a Champions League without any "champions" in it? Such a competition is not even conceivable because nobody will watch it and nobody will care to play in it anymore. It disrupts a system that might be governed by a corrupt entity, but that is founded on meritocracy.

I agree. I don't understand your view Han. But, honestly even if what you are painting out the UEFA/FIFA to be...this Superleauge idea is no better.

BTW, why the hate on UEFA and Fifa? Surely, any organizing committee will have a lot of hate...nothing special. And, I'm not saying they're perfect but they've done some good things as well.

But you're viewing this through a lens of nostalgia for something that has long been lost.

Sorry, but football IS a business. Milan has been left behind because we simply cannot compete with EPL and oil money. And FFP continues to tie our hands in this matter. And when FFP is not enforced fairly and the same on all the clubs, then you end up with this. UEFA have overstepped imo, they have gotten too greedy and not kept the clubs with the biggest fanbases, ergo the biggest commercial pull happy. You said it yourself. No one would want to watch the CL without these teams in it.

I'm not worried about this because the people behind it know what they're doing. All the clubs involved have ruthless owners. Most of which are Americans. The Glazers, Kroenke, and Elliot don't do anything half @ssed. Elliot held Argentina hostage FFS, you think they care about the soul of the game?

Gary Neville said something critical today, the Glazers don't put their name on anything, not unless they're going through with it. Plus Florentino Perez is the one who is pushing this through. These are not people who waffle when it comes down to crunch time imo. Plus the JP Morgan Chase factor is huge.

So whatever happens moving forward, I think tis is going to be a good thing, whether it happens or not. This will either give UEFA the massive kick in the teeth they need and they negotiate something better with the clubs or this things happens and the CL and EL will be abolished within a few years and this thing becoming the norm.

And btw. Where is the meritocracy in what PSG, City and Chelsea have done in the past few years? Or what about Bayern, Juve, Madrid Barca, etc? They have all basically been in this automatic inclusion format for years now because they purposely weaken their own leagues. Either by monopolising the TV money or buying out all the talent because they can.

Also, it's not like Citeh and Abramovich are monks. Come on... UEFA corruptness or Abramovich corruptness.. honestly, I don't see much of a difference.

I think this is especially bad for Milan. We'll get a lot of hate now.

A great vid on FIFA as an organisation for anyone who hasn't seen it. UEFA are basically the same thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I

If this goes through, which is looking more a more likely. What's to say that the super league won't evolve into that monopoly? And simply be a replacement for UEFA. You think UEFA are losing their sh!t over nothing? This is huge trouble for them and their survival and they know it. I personally say good riddance.

Prestige and glory are buil over time. The European cup was devised decades ago and turned into what it has become today. There's nothing set in stone saying the super league won't evolve over time either.

There are already reports of teams like Roma, Bayern and PSG being the other 3 clubs. There will be 5 invited clubs for now. This could grow over time. Making the CL obsolete and clubs will be the better for it imo

And btw, I may be wrong in all of this but atm, I just ron't see it as the end of football, catastrophic event that you do.

We'll see how this unfolds but personally I just think that atm it's mainly a mine is bigger than yours showdown with UEFA. We'll see who caves first. I just personally think the clubs have more leverage here

I've seen that video many times. I love John Oliver.

It wont grow, though? That's the entire point, for a handful of clubs to get their guaranteed income every year. They don't want to share money with others they deem "lesser", so it won't grow.

20 clubs will be better for it. 20 out of thousands. That's not good for sport.

It will be good for football if these franchises and their customers no longer compete in football leagues, yes.

Piss off and leave us football clubs and fans to the football.

And we had a great story like Leicester winning the Premier League. An underdog who overcame the elite. Now? You won't. It's only the elite.

What is laughable is complaining about elitism and then as soon as they fail to win something, they literally remove the competition, and hailing that as a good thing.

Honestly find this board laughable at times - for over a decade you've all whined about UEFA and the elitist CL and the conduct of these bodies - and now someone threatens it you're whining about that instead.

Comical.

Furthermore, just because you're opposing UEFA and FIFA doesn't automatically put in you in the right either.

"There are a lot of games of poor quality. Barcelona-Manchester United is more entertaining than Manchester United against a more modest team.

The biggest clubs in England, Italy and Spain had to find a solution to the really terrible situation they were in," Perez said. "The European Club Association says they've lost five billion euros. At Real Madrid we had a budget of 800 million euros and we finished with 700m. This year instead of 900m, let's see if we get 600m. In two seasons Real Madrid have lost 400m.

It's laughable that these 12 think anyone but themselves are to blame for how football is. They drives transfer fees and wages up too massive levels, nobody else is responsible for this.

Bielsa said it right "The logic in the world at the moment, and football is not outside of this, is that the rich get rich at the expense of the poor... And then they demand more privileges."

And what do they think is going to happen in the ESL, exactly? That everyone is not going to try and outspend each other, driving transfer fees and salaries up higher?

Anyone that mentions UEFA or FIFA is missing the point. Just being against someone, regardless of what the opposition propose to do, is stupidity. If this is so good for football and fans, why are fan owned clubs like Bayern and Dortmund not jumping at the chance?

As for the product in itself, I don't know if anyone has watched top level football in the past 5 years, but it's intensely boring. Every time Man U play Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, etc it's 0-0. It's overly defensive football.

Apparently Woodward and Agnelli have resigned.

Danny and han's favourite people no longer in football.

Chelsea, Man City, Barcelona, Man U and Atleti all out.

All of these clubs should still be relegated and get a huge European ban as punishment, Milan included. But at least the devil is dead.

This is the worst outcome that could have happened imo

I had an inkling that this could just be a major chess game between the clubs and UEFA so that the clubs could finally get a more fair deal out of UEFA. But to do THIS?! Just an embarrassing turn of events imo. At least show some balls and take this down to the wire FFS. UEFA would have caved eventually. Didn't know that it would turn out to be a friendly game of checkers instead

And it figures that it is the EPL clubs who backed out first, most especially the ones who are bankrolled by oil money. They don't need the money like the other clubs do, they already exist within a hyper greedy entity such as the EPL, which is a breakaway league in and of itself btw

I just love the audacity and drama from people like Neville who work for Sky Sports. The sheer lack of self awareness is just laughable

UEFA president Ceferin: ?I am delighted to welcome Manchester City back to the European football family. They have shown great intelligence. City are a real asset for the game and I am delighted to be working with them for a better future?.

LMAO, didn't you just ban them like a year ago?

https://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=w...p;menu=news-all

I agree so much with this!!!

And it figures that it is the EPL clubs who backed out first, most especially the ones who are bankrolled by oil money. They don't need the money like the other clubs do, they already exist within a hyper greedy entity such as the EPL, which is a breakaway league in and of itself btw

LMAO, didn't you just ban them like a year ago?

There's nothing wrong with breakaway leagues, you're missing the entire point.

The Premier League was created and broke away for financial reasons. The league structure and the competitive elements of the sport remained. No team, as far as I know, has ever been denied entry to the Premier League open earning promotion. The same as the European Cup becoming the Champions League. For all intents and purposes it was a rebranding.

The Premier League can not be held responsible for other clubs mismanaging their finances. Let's not forget, it was Italian clubs in the 80s/90s and Spanish clubs more recently that drove up prices to insane levels. Making English clubs out to be the bad guys is just ridiculous.

To suggest the ESL, which would keep the exact same teams in all the time, is the same as the Premier League is madness.

Nobody is saying that UEFA or FIFA are saints. We're saying we'd rather have a competition governed by them than 12 clubs running their own league. Who cares if they say they'll invite others? As if a Madrid owned league, with a Madrid employed ref is going to allow someone they deem "lesser" to beat Madrid. The corruption would make current football look saintly.

OFFICIAL: Super League suspended.

Well thank f*ck for that. Now back to earning our place in Europe.

Milan ultras claim Super League criticism 'hypocritical'

Milan ultras group Curva Sud released a statement that did not specifically condemn the Super League plan, but rather claimed the outrage is ?hypocritical.?

While fans at Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool and others are all protesting angrily in the hours since the project was announced, Italian supporters have been relatively quiet.

Juventus fans hung up one banner outside the stadium complaining their history was being ?bartered and commercialised,? pointedly including an image of the old logo.

Milan supporters group Curva Sud released a different kind of statement that hit out at the world of football in general.

?Honestly, it makes us laugh to see all those people in the control room of football suddenly claim we fans are first and foremost.

?The Super League is just the latest in a long line of innumerable manoeuvres over decades that has made football into a business.

?The birth of this new competition would certainly be another shove to the football of old, which is by now a distant memory, and will inevitably obscure the tradition of the various national leagues, robbing football of the undeniable principle of sporting meritocracy.

?But the thing that most leaves us indignant is the hypocrisy of all those who contributed to making this sport nothing but a business, those who today stand up in name of the fans, but only because they saw their remunerative and seemingly untouchable project fall apart.

?Football did belong to the people until the 1990s, when the Champions League was born, destroying the old European Cup. From that moment, an unbreachable chasm has been created between the big and small clubs.

?Football did belong to the people even when nobody lifted a finger to stop the increase of ticket prices that was imposed by some Presidents.

?Football did belong to the people even when nobody stepped in to stop the rise of the super agents, who took player salaries to ever more astronomical figures, which could only be sustained with TV rights, the same TV companies that imposed increasingly chaotic fixture lists, with games on improbable days and kick-off times.

?Football did belong to the people even when rules were imposed to stop any rapport between the players and the fans.

?Football did belong to the people even when Supercoppa Finals were played on other continents or the dates of some games were changed a few days before kick-off, damaging those fans who had booked trains or planes to get to the stadium.

?Football did belong to the people even when some clubs were allowed to circumvent Financial Fair Play, while others with less influential Presidents were penalised.

?Football did belong to the people even when the World Cup was forced to Qatar in 2022, despite moving the entire calendar and disregarding human rights violations.

?We could list numerous other examples to show the absolute hypocrisy of the words we?re hearing from the football chiefs over the last 48 hours.

?The Super League is just the latest disgusting step, but those who took football to this point are no less grotesque, so save us these ludicrous performances of rhetoric and morality.

?Now that the money is running out, feel free to fight it out between yourselves, but don?t you dare name the fans. PIGS!?

The EPL, namely Chelsea are the ones who first started the insane inflation of the transfer market. Mam City and PSG have just took thing to an unreachable level for everyone else now. Italian and Spanish clubs might have spent lavishly in the past, but nothing like these new state owned/oil backed clubs of today. Not even when you take inflation into account. It's nothing you can even compare

What is this, some kind of xenophobia? You might want to look a little closer to home. The most expensive transfers ever, and the transfer progression. Where are Chelsea and Man City? Where are the long lists of English clubs?

I was all for it because it meant the clubs finally doing something about the corrupt and unjust system monopolized by UEFA

What is this, some kind of xenophobia? You might want to look a little closer to home. The most expensive transfers ever, and the transfer progression. Where are Chelsea and Man City? Where are the long lists of English clubs?