From me the Zapata hater

Me praising Zapata:











Why I don't trust him:





From the very same man who labels me a hater because I don't rate Zapata as highly as he apparently does




All the above quotes from just one game

http://footballreplays.blogspot.com.mt/201...fiorentina.html

38:22-38:40 43:32-43:40 1st half vid

All from the same game as well:










Some highlights of his greatness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL85J_IkHRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61sBEWoHUl4...etailpage#t=165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7aip29Y9_I...detailpage#t=31

Need I go on? And these only go back from last season - when Pippo played him sparingly (to Danny's chagrin) he’s made very similar mistakes before. But no, I’m just a deluded hater living off my hateraid for Zapata

My concerns about him playing are well a truly founded but then there’s Danny:


Oookaayyy….

What does this prove exactly? Slamming players during the heat of the match is normal when they make mistakes. A defender can make a mistake just like a striker can miss an open goal. Likewise, praising a player for a good performance is also normal. There have been instances when I've praised the likes of Muntari and Allegri in the past, even though I couldn't stand them. So, you praising Zapata doesn't exclude the fact that you generally don't like him.

And besides, the reason why I advocate him instead of Mexes and Alex for the derby is due to the fact that Alex has been very poor in the pre-season and Mexes is coming off an injury, which makes them unreliable choices. If these two players were in top condition, I would prefer them over Zapata no problem. I've never said the guy is a top defender. He has his shortcomings, but at the same time he's not as bad as you make him out to be. Simple as.

Point being, once again you saying that I don't like him, when the truth is that I just don't rate him. There's a difference. And having different opinions on this does not mean you can say that I hate him therefore my opinion is invalid, because that is not the case.

My opinion of why I don't think both him and Romagn should start the derby is based on all those facts (that Danny himself demanded that I prove) pointed out above.

His shortcomings make him a serious liability to the team, especially when he doesn't have someone to hold his hand playing next to him, so forgive me about stating my opinion about him making me worry that he's starting such a huge match next to an inexperienced kid. I didn't know that would equate to me being a hater to you (Danny I understand because he either labels me a hater or a blind defender when we don't agree on particular individuals)

Also, the comments are from match days, I specifically made a search through those threads to prove the kind of liability he is. It's not about in-depth analysis on him, it's about proving what a liability he could be solely based on his passing and even his positioning at times.

Don't rate him, don't like him, same difference. We're talking about their qualities as football players here, not as human beings.

And like I said, anyone can make mistakes. Yes, Zapata has made several mistakes in the past, but so has everyone else for that matter. Lopez made more than a couple of howlers last season, MDS was crap for most of his games.

Alex was a trainwreck in pre-season, and from what I read he was very poor against Mantova too. Mexes has just returned form an injury that's kept him out for a while. Given the circumstances, playing Zapata is the most logical conclusion. And you should accept that.

Where have I said that I don't accept that?? I said that I'd prefer Alex simple as that!

Also, yes there is a difference between not rating a player and hating him. I freely admit to hating Muntari, he was a terrible player, his attitude was also terrible and just his general demeanour was off putting for me. Couldn't stand the guy.

With Zapata I just don't trust him to not f@ck up. And there's a difference between making a positional error and making a school yard mistake like passing straight at the opposition (which is what's the biggest issue with Zapata). How much more basic can you get then passing in football? And Zapata simply sucks at this, the biggest problem is that he constantly tries to play out himself, even after committing countless errors in this manner.

MF has its first meltdown.

Possibly the most embarrassing thread I've seen on here.

You specifically asked for it. I gave it to you.

Meltdown? Don't be absurd. Isn't everyone supposed to have his own opinion here? I know you advocate your freedom often here, so what's the point in calling this thread embarrassing? All I see is a poster replying to your insinuation while you don't have anything to say in return.

Honestly I think your accusations of han and dismissing his opinions arbitrarily are pretty embarrassing. You dismiss his opinions and then say this:


Why are your random hunches any better than han's?

Zapata isn't all that great but he's a decent rotational back up.
X is right in that he is the best choice when up against an out of form Alex and not fully fit Mexes, both of whom are better than Zapata when at full strength. The biggest problem is that the way we've been playing recently puts additional pressure on Zapata's biggest weakness which is his passing. Our midfield can't seem to hold the ball worth a damn and as a result we have back pass after back pass to the CBs/Lopez. I really hope that problem isn't exploited but it's certainly an issue. If we had a more solid midfield and there was less need for Zapata to handle the ball I'd feel much better. He's a solid tackler, strong, and able to recover quickly. He and Romagnoli are decent players but we're not playing to their strengths making them play out of the back.

I don't give a f*ck tbh.

I'd ask you to quote me insinuating but then you'd look as embarrassing as he does. If you don't already.

What a completely w*nky thread with a clique mentality of 'don't disagree with Han, he'll attack you and his cronies will back him up'.

Horrible. Absolutely disgusted with this forum right now.

I didn't ask for anything. As I said, your Zapata tirade is f*cking boring. And this forum is going in that direction if every thread is going to turn into this and it then goes elsewhere.

I come on here to discuss Milan, not to have this drivel dominate the place.

Very disappointing.

Nuff said...

You know what's embarrassing Danny, the fact that you can't accept a strong rebuttal - one you asked for might I add - to your arguments just so you don't admit that at least my opinion on this is valid and not about childish hate like you're saying it is.

I gave you what you wanted and you label it an embarrassing post.

At least x-off replied rationally to it and didn't resort to saying it's an embarrassment as a cop out, even if he wasn't the one who demanded that I prove it.

Probably talking about your "insinuation" - Fillipo is being polite here are you outright called me a hater a 100 times now - that I'm a Zapata hater simply because I have nothing else to do with my sad time and have no one to hate now that Muntari's gone so I picked Zapata for the sheer fun of it without any reason whatsoever

Also, you had no problem ganging up on me in the other thread with x-off but now that it's directed at you, you're getting defensive...

Thanks, my point exactly and I agree.

All this started because I said I wouldn't play Zapata and Romagnoli together and prefer Alex next to EITHER one of them.

So basically you can't stand being criticized, therefore you pull back to offensive talk and more accusations. Well, I don't mind. Do as you please.

Milanbuf88 said it best. Let's be completely honest here: you're a terrible judge of players, since all you know is base your limited and definitive judgement on hunches, recent form or one match. Indeed, one game is enough to transform you from an ardent supporter to a hater, bombarding us with big words like "diabolical" etc. Then, when your inconsistency reaches a stage where you're open to criticism, you play the "cliques", "freedom of speech" or "disgusted" card. But please, indulge me with another insulting post, try to be even less objective...

I was very unhappy with this thread - I still see zero point in taking a debate from one thread and starting a whole new war in another, but my real frustrations were not with this, but with Milan, and I took it out on you guys.

I don't think I am a terrible judge of players, with all due respect, my lovely Filippo.

My judgements on the new signings pre-season have been mostly borne out I feel:

I ached for Bacca, and now you see why, surely.

I reallty wanted Adriano, and now you see why, surely.

Didn't want Romagnoli, and he's been weak at best.

Got Bertolacci wrong - he's been feeble.

Was crushed by the ambition of getting Kucka - he's been average (standing out in a pitiful team), exactly what we expected.

Balo - well, I still can't stand him but he's shown that usual honeymoon period of form. That'll tail off soon enough.

PS my dear chums - I never insulted anyone - I did use aggressive language but I don't think what I said merited the personal attacks at me here. And furthermore using aggressive language is only offensive if you choose to be offended. I never personally attacked anyone.

I will say this though - a member, who quit this forum some time ago, did so because of this kind of thread - the same topics circling around again and again - once Mike closed new members, new ideas were lost. So we were left to have the same arguments over, and over, and over again, with no new input or fresh perspective. I understand why they've gone now.

We're arguing the same crap again and again and it's a borderline tautology. Han, bless him, turns everything into Mexes Zapata. I whine about Alex. Filippo complains about snap judgements. Yadda yadda.

It's all the same debates packaged in slightly different rhetoric.

This forum is reflecting the club - stale, unable to move on, can't develop, and is locked in a loop of repeated endless arguments about the same basic things.

This topic was directed to both of us, Danny, but I think you took it a bit too seriously and reacted harshly. In the end, we're just discussing football here. It's the true that the state of affairs is not at its peek, which mirrors the club's state like you said. But we all know each other here and I'd rather discuss Milan with you guys than in some other forum where I don't know anyone and insults come flying left and right.

So, please stay.

Still reckon it could have stayed in that other topic!

I was going to stay away till Milan gave me a reason to come back - which did suggest I might have been away for potentially years. But I had this rant (the blog I posted) to get off my chest.

I have no idea if I'll stay, Milan is going below depressing and down to humiliation. And this forum does degenerate into the same conversations over and over again. What on earth can we say any more?!