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Jack Bauer
Milan have insisted that boss Massimiliano Allegri will not be leaving for Roma at the end of the season.

The tactician has been paired with the capital club for 2013-14 after the decision to sack Zdenek Zeman on Saturday.

“Roma can’t steal Coaches from other clubs,” the official noted. “Allegri will still be the Milan boss next season.

“He’s a good tactician and we’ve always known that. He reminds me of Carlo Ancelotti, for how balanced he is.”

Allegri’s job was thought to be on the line in the Autumn after a problematic start to the campaign and Silvio Berlusconi’s open admiration for future Bayern Munich boss Pep Guardiola.

“The club were right to not make a coaching change,” Galliani continued. “Other clubs would not have done the same.

“We’re climbing back up the table and fighting for the positions that we always have done. We’re now travelling at our pace from the last two seasons.”

The Diavolo have won eight of their last 10 games in Serie A. Their only loss came at Roma in that run, while they were held at Sampdoria.

Allegri’s contract at Milan expires in June 2014.

http://www.football-italia.net/30352/milan...allegri-2013-14
kurtsimonw
The start of the season wasn't surprising. Milan are always slow starters and this season we had the added issue of losing our 3 best best players without really replacing them. Bring in the 2/3 starters we need in the summer and see how we do. If we don't make a realistic title challenge then don't renew his contract in summer '14.
han2503
Find me the biggest head slap gif you can find rolleyes.gif

I'm sure this is just talk in the air. Can't see Allegri as our coach beyond this season. That would be suicidal on our part
kurtsimonw
If he does manage to finish 3rd this season, staying on isn't good enough. He deserves a new contract.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 4 2013, 09:52 PM) *
If he does manage to finish 3rd this season, staying on isn't good enough. He deserves a new contract.

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Good one
dst
I don't like Allegri but 3rd place finish with this squad is great. I agree with Kurt.
X-Offender
You all know how I feel about Allegri, but if we manage to get 3rd place then I think it's only fair to cut him some slack.
Jack Sparrow
I think if he finished 3rd, we couldn't complain one bit. You could nitpick and point out that it was the inclusion of Balotelli that made all the difference, but that would be just silly. We need the stability for now and he hasn't done too badly.
kurtsimonw
I read that before the Udinese game in the past 10 games only Barca in all of Europes top leagues had picked up more points so it's not all bad. Defeat to Roma is disappointing, but they can beat and lose to anyone, so unpredictable.

I hope if he does get 3rd that the squad is strengthened a bit. I don't want "Balotelli will have a full season" new player BS.
Rossoneri7
Agreed, if he finishes 3rd then he deserves to stay on for another season. Considering all that had happened last summer, the aftermath of the same, and how he made a team out of the 'eggs' he had on hand .. It is only deserved.
han2503
You guys talk as if he's taken a Serie B side to third.

At the start of the season we all agreed that this squad should get 3rd. We're still better than the likes of Roma, Lazio and Fiorentina.

No matter what happens by the end of the season, Allegri should be out, he's as much responsable for our terrible displays which led to losses as he is for our supposed "revival"
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2013, 03:50 PM) *
No matter what happens by the end of the season, Allegri should be out, he's as much responsable for our terrible displays which led to losses as he is for our supposed "revival"

Aye. sleep.gif If he stays, we'll probably not win a Scudetto anytime soon, and the CL is out of question already. I said probably, because of Allegri's apparent lack of tactical awareness. It has been ages since I have seen Milan as a well oiled machine winning matches left and right due to their sheer footballing abilities. It's one good match, then bust.

A big name, experienced coach, on the other hand, could see see us to success.
han2503
^^^

Agreed.

Getting 3rd will be a good stepping stone for this supposed new young Milan to start from. Not making that 3rd spot would be a disaster for us as we absolutely need that money.

A CL place was the minimum expectation from Allegri, and he agreed to this as well. If anything this season has been a huge disappointment no matter what the circumstances Allegri was dealth. A Serie B side plays with more cohesion and motivation than Allegri's team.

Next season we really need to start thinking about our future, and that means a very good coach, who's not just tactically astute, but also able to get the best out of the players he has
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2013, 07:39 PM) *
Next season we really need to start thinking about our future, and that means a very good coach, who's not just tactically astute, but also able to get the best out of the players he has

This. smile.gif If we are to get another hack then maybe I can tolerate Mr. Smalltime Coach™ and his antics for a little while longer. But provided we can get a very good coach, like you said, then no reason why we should not. Particularly if we are seriously working towards a project, and don't want to wander around aimlessly between 2nd and 3rd.

Sure, in his defense we lost two cornerstones this summer, but Allegri never seemed a guy that would extract the last ounce of greatness from his players and gel them into a lethal unit. You take a look at clubs around the world, and there are plenty that play with an identity and grit. unsure.gif We just seem to wander around, sometimes to a Scudetto, sometimes to a hopeless 2nd place crash, while being in command most of the season.

But like I said, only if a quality replacement arrives. This guy is lucky he's had players like Ibra, and now Balotelli at his disposal. sleep.gif Leonardo, lest we forget, for all his shortcomings, had to make do much less.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2013, 11:50 AM) *
You guys talk as if he's taken a Serie B side to third.

At the start of the season we all agreed that this squad should get 3rd. We're still better than the likes of Roma, Lazio and Fiorentina.

No matter what happens by the end of the season, Allegri should be out, he's as much responsable for our terrible displays which led to losses as he is for our supposed "revival"

In the same way some on here say "We had Zlatan and Silva, of course we should've won the title" the same could be said of Napoli this season. I think Hamsik has been overrated in the past, but this season he's been unreal. Cavani > all of our strikers, Hamsik + Inler now he's back to his Udinese form > the rest of our team. Juve and Napoli are certainly better than us. Even you said earlier in the season Inter have a better squad. wink.gif

I'd say 3rd is a decent acheivment considering.

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This guy is lucky he's had players like Ibra, and now Balotelli at his disposal. Leonardo, lest we forget, for all his shortcomings, had to make do much less.

I guess SAF is just lucky he had Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Keane, Rooney, Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, etc. Wenger is lucky he had Pires, Ljungberg, Vieira and Henry. Ancelotti that he had a Milan all-star team. Every top club needs top players and we've still not won the league often.

It's almost as if Allegri is being criticised for winning the league. laugh.gif He did an incredible job in his first season.
acid911
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2013, 08:38 PM) *
It's almost as if Allegri is being criticised for winning the league. He did an incredible job in his first season.

Not really, I'm comparing his teams to what Leonardo had to contend with. huh.gif He finished 3rd after a total wreck of a season where Kaka and Maldini had left, and the face of the club had a ponytail and rabbit teeth. No offense.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 5 2013, 04:47 PM) *
Not really, I'm comparing his teams to what Leonardo had to contend with. huh.gif He finished 3rd after a total wreck of a season where Kaka and Maldini had left, and the face of the club had a ponytail and rabbit teeth. No offense.

Yes, his team was better than Leo's. Which is why he finished on 12 more points and won the league.
acid911
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2013, 08:58 PM) *
Yes, his team was better than Leo's. Which is why he finished on 12 more points and won the league.

Aye. sleep.gif And even though this is hypothetical only, but it would have been interesting had he inherited the same team instead of Ibra, Robinho, Boateng, and even Cassano. That, or Leo with these four players. But this is just comparing both coaches, for my money neither is top, top stuff. Allegri may even be better than Leonardo, but still.

Nevertheless, this just may prove to be sweet talk from the management. biggrin.gif If they have lined up someone better they will pull the trigger. If not, then Allegri will continue as he knows the team and players, and is familiar with the club atmosphere. But I still believe a coach's shelf life is 5 years at most at a club. At most.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2013, 03:38 PM) *
In the same way some on here say "We had Zlatan and Silva, of course we should've won the title" the same could be said of Napoli this season. I think Hamsik has been overrated in the past, but this season he's been unreal. Cavani > all of our strikers, Hamsik + Inler now he's back to his Udinese form > the rest of our team. Juve and Napoli are certainly better than us. Even you said earlier in the season Inter have a better squad. wink.gif

I'd say 3rd is a decent acheivment considering.


I guess SAF is just lucky he had Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Keane, Rooney, Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, etc. Wenger is lucky he had Pires, Ljungberg, Vieira and Henry. Ancelotti that he had a Milan all-star team. Every top club needs top players and we've still not won the league often.

It's almost as if Allegri is being criticised for winning the league. laugh.gif He did an incredible job in his first season.

Only you think that Napoli are so much better than us. Hamsik is a good player but nothing more, he's had some great games but he's had them in seasons prior to this one as well. The only really top class player they have is Cavani. Who yes, is better than any of our strikers by far, but as far as the rest of their squad goes we edge them in other areas. And if Balo can actually keep his head screwed on straight we'd also be able to give them a run in attack as well consdering SES probably has as many open play goals as Cavani does.

This is you once again over exxagerating other teams' strength and underrating ours so your Allegri arguments can be founded. When in reality Allegri has always been given a very strong squad, Sure this season he lost Silva and Ibra but it's still a strong squad.

At the start of the season I said only Inter and Juve have better squads then ours on paper. And I stand by that. In reality what we have now is an Inter that has pretty much imploded in on themselves while Napoli are over achieving slightly, but we'll leave them to falter when they face the big hurdles like they have always done in the past.

That being said, I said I only see Inter and Juve ahead of us, the only thing that has changed is Inter's bad performanced while Napoli are doing well. Thus, this still leaves 3rd place for us which we should at least be able to achieve this season. I've said this from the start, minimum requirement has always been 3rd place with the squad we have, Allegri concurred with that at the start as well, and I still stand by that.

The only reason we're rejoicing now is because this provincial coach has forced us to lower our standards to such a degree that we're hyperventelating at the thought of third. As if CL football is the holy grail for a club like Milan and not a mimimum expectation. That's the problem here, we started this season in such a shambolic state barely being able to scrape any sort of result against the worst teams in the league that all of a sudden we're rejoicing that we're picking up the points that we rightfully should considering our recent fixture list. That shambolic start in and of itself was the result of Allegri's mismanagement and total lack of tactical vision.

When Leo took us to the CL with an even worse squad than this one full of old players who had already given their all to the club he was still fired at the end of the season, and I expect the same for Allegri.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2013, 05:45 PM) *
This is you once again over exxagerating other teams' strength and underrating ours so your Allegri arguments can be founded. When in reality Allegri has always been given a very strong squad, Sure this season he lost Silva and Ibra but it's still a strong squad.

And you do the opposite.

Silva v Zapata
Nesta v Acerbi
MVB v De Jong
Montolivo v Aquilani - about equal
Seedorf v Traore
Cassano v Bojan - I think Cassano is far superior, but I'll give this equal too before people complain.
Ibra v Pazzini

And in the case of Silva, Nesta, Seedorf and Ibra we're talking massive downgrades. It's a decent squad, I've said I think we're the 4th best, now with Balo probably the 3rd. Let's hope with the 3rd best squad for half a season we can go and get it.
Dracoris
It's unimaginable that we could finish third after everything thats happened this year. Allegri deserves to stay 100% and receive a pay increase if we finish third.
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2013, 04:39 PM) *
Next season we really need to start thinking about our future, and that means a very good coach, who's not just tactically astute, but also able to get the best out of the players he has


Van Basten: "I'm training to become the future Milan coach."

Link

Yes, I want him!
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 5 2013, 06:42 PM) *
Van Basten: "I'm training to become the future Milan coach."

Link

Yes, I want him!

I'd like him in the future. I'd not take him anytime soon though.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2013, 04:55 PM) *
And you do the opposite.

Silva v Zapata
Nesta v Acerbi
MVB v De Jong
Montolivo v Aquilani - about equal
Seedorf v Traore
Cassano v Bojan - I think Cassano is far superior, but I'll give this equal too before people complain.
Ibra v Pazzini

And in the case of Silva, Nesta, Seedorf and Ibra we're talking massive downgrades. It's a decent squad, I've said I think we're the 4th best, now with Balo probably the 3rd. Let's hope with the 3rd best squad for half a season we can go and get it.

Nice how you conveniantely left out the most important part of my post which includes us lowering our standards to such a lowly degree simply because of our lowly coach

As for your comparisons you're reducing it into something very simple when the situation is far more complex. Sure man for man in terms of those guys going out and the ones who came in there was a drop in quality in almost all cases.

But you're forgetting players like SES, Mexes, Flamini (now), DS who last season were in the squad but were so peripheral to the squad that they barely got a look in (Mexes havig slightly more playing time because of his bigger name). All of these players have contributed a lot this season and if you want to really compare in terms of who replaced who then you seriously cannot bring in the likes of Acerbi and Traore into the argument who are barely considered squad members at this rate, one of them having already been shipped off.

Even without Balo we still have a strong squad, and like you said, third best in the league. Napoli come behind us as sure they do have better options in certain areas. For example Cavani being better than Balo, Hamsik better than Prince, butthat's pretty much it. Would I want any oftheir defenders ahead of ours? F*** NO! Any of their mids asde from the previously mentioned Hamsik? Once again, no. Any of their forwards? No. And let's not even go into the question of squad depth

QUOTE (Dracoris @ Feb 5 2013, 05:06 PM) *
It's unimaginable that we could finish third after everything thats happened this year. Allegri deserves to stay 100% and receive a pay increase if we finish third.

Oh yes, and we should roll out the gold carpet as well as make that extension for 5 years rolleyes.gif
Jack Bauer
Not every great player is a great coach. Van Basten failed so far with every team he managed (curently in 14 place with Heerenveen). He might be ready in the future but definitely not now.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 5 2013, 05:42 PM) *
Van Basten: "I'm training to become the future Milan coach."

Link

Yes, I want him!

I personally prefer Rijkaard if we go down the Dutch road. Van Basten seems like he's too inflexible and as stubborn as Allegri
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2013, 06:48 PM) *
Nice how you conveniantely left out the most important part of my post which includes us lowering our standards to such a lowwly degree simply because of our lowly coach

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han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2013, 05:50 PM) *
huh.gif

I'm not saying you didn't read it but chose not to respond to it, because whether you like him or hate him it's pretty obvious that this is what Allegri has now reduced us to. So you chose to overlook my observation and not reply to it, simply because you cannot come up with an argument on that bit
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 5 2013, 07:49 PM) *
Not every great player is a great coach. Van Basten failed so far with every team he managed (curently in 14 place with Heerenveen). He might be ready in the future but definitely not now.


I know, but I still want him. It's my personal belief that he can do well with us. I understand everyone's skepticism though.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2013, 06:54 PM) *
I'm not saying you didn't read it but chose not to respond to it, because whether you like him or hate him it's pretty obvious that this is what Allegri has now reduced us to. So you chose to overlook my observation and not reply to it, simply because you cannot come up with an argument on that bit

We've finished 1st and 2nd to an undefeated team, I'd hardly say it's awful so far. I also don't believe for a second he has anything to do with who comes in and who leaves.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 5 2013, 06:19 PM) *
I know, but I still want him. It's my personal belief that he can do well with us. I understand everyone's skepticism though.

Despite my previous criticism, I'd take him over Allegri any day of the week

My main point is that if we are going to change coach, I really want to see a leap in style and quality from the man leading the side. And personally, I don't think Van Basten can offer that, he'd just be a slight improvement.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2013, 07:27 PM) *
Despite my previous criticism, I'd take him over Allegri any day of the week

QUOTED FOR POSTERITY! biggrin.gif
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 5 2013, 09:19 PM) *
I know, but I still want him. It's my personal belief that he can do well with us. I understand everyone's skepticism though.

I don't want us to gamble again. If we are going to replace Allegri, it has to be someone proven.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2013, 06:28 PM) *
QUOTED FOR POSTERITY! biggrin.gif

At this current point in time. I'd take YOU coaching this team over this small time coach ANY day of the week tongue.gif

I might not like some of VB's methods but he's still a better tactician then Allegri. I personally don't see myself ever not criticising a coach no matter how much I like him but Allegri has basically tested every Milan fan's limits from day 1
kurtsimonw
Van Basten is probably the worst of all the former Milan players who've gotten big jobs in coaching. I was fortunate enough to see his Ajax at Villa Park and even braindead MON tactically outclassed him.
Rossoneri7
But han I thought you liked Allegri when he was at Cagliari and was calling for Ancelotti's axe and be replaced by Allegri ... Why the sudden change of heart? tongue.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 5 2013, 09:10 PM) *
But han I thought you liked Allegri when he was at Cagliari and was calling for Ancelotti's axe and be replaced by Allegri ... Why the sudden change of heart? tongue.gif

Really?

When did I want Carlo out so that Allegri could come in? unsure.gif

Zed.D
Just because MvB hasn't been successful with 2-3 teams (most of them small teams compared to us anyway) doesn't necessarily mean he fail at Milan as well. Milan could be the turning point in his coaching career just as much as it could be another failure for him. I'd like us to give him a fair chance and see how he does.
acid911
Yeah, can't disagree with this Zed. happy.gif He has left a lot to be desired up until now, but there is no reason why Marco van Basten cannot step up his game at a club like Milan.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2013, 10:25 PM) *
Really?

When did I want Carlo out so that Allegri could come in? unsure.gif


QUOTE (han2503 @ May 15 2009, 7:25 PM)
Allegri is a better coach than Carlo. Carlo has done a bad job with a great team and Allegri has done a great job with a bad team.

If we fail to bring Allegri in and stick with this Milan family crap we won't get anywhere.

Jack Bauer


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Zed.D
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milanbuf88
Kurt, you just made my day! laugh.gif

At this point I'd enjoy seeing Allegri get an extension just so I could see the meltdown that would follow as soon as han hears of it.

Seriously though I think Allegri deserves to stay on if he gets us to 3rd and only deserves an extension if he magically pulls the scudetto out of his *** for us. Assuming he gets us to third, he gets his last year of his contract as a put up or shut up year to make a serious run at the CL and scudetto (hopefully with the help of one or two good signings in the summer.)
Zed.D
Most fans agree that Allegri deserves to at least see out his contract (expires in 2014, right?) if we finish 3rd or better. and that's what's gonna happen anyway, so why argue about it.
han2503
^^^

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Nice one kurt!!!

I must have been seriously ill during those times. Or at least seriously sick of Carlo biggrin.gif

In reality Allegri did do well with Cagliari. But it has become abbundantly clear that that is all he is. A small time coach who can do well with an average team, who have a small club mentality. He's simply not good enough for a club like Milan and no one can really deny it.

Like you British say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Well at that time I hasn't had a taste, now I have, and let me tell you, it's one SH!TTY pudding!!!
han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 6 2013, 01:44 PM) *
Most fans agree that Allegri deserves to at least see out his contract (expires in 2014, right?) if we finish 3rd or better. and that's what's gonna happen anyway, so why argue about it.

Most Milan fans?

The majority of Milan fans I talk to absolutely despise Allegri, probably even more then I do, which is saying something. Even the majority of people on here hate him.

The fact that they're willing to put up with his cr@p for another year if he manages a 3rd spot only shows the mediocre expectations he's reduced us to. Like I said before. A CL spot for any Milan fan is a minimum expectation and not a cause for rejoicing as if we're some provincial club who have finally hit the motherload after years of waiting thanks to the brilliance that is Allegri. Because by some of the posts above that is what it's being made out to look like

BTW kurt, it really warms my heart to see you taking the time to look for something I said nearly 4 or 5 years ago biggrin.gif tongue.gif
han2503
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Feb 6 2013, 12:56 PM) *
Kurt, you just made my day! laugh.gif

At this point I'd enjoy seeing Allegri get an extension just so I could see the meltdown that would follow as soon as han hears of it.

Seriously though I think Allegri deserves to stay on if he gets us to 3rd and only deserves an extension if he magically pulls the scudetto out of his *** for us. Assuming he gets us to third, he gets his last year of his contract as a put up or shut up year to make a serious run at the CL and scudetto (hopefully with the help of one or two good signings in the summer.)

The day Allegri wins a Scudetto without Ibrahimovic single handedly winning games for him I'l say he deserves it as well. This should show you how much I'm sure that he wouldn't be able to achieve it in all his years based on his sole merit as a tactician.

I personally think that this talk from Galliani is just that: talk. It's pretty much known that we've been shopping around for a new coach for a while now. And with a new name being linked with us every week it's pretty obvious that the men in suites haven't been happy with Allegri for a while now. Only Galliani seems blinded to his mediocrity
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2013, 06:54 PM) *
Like you British say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Eh, it's “the proof is in the pudding”, man. huh.gif unsure.gif No one says anything about eating!
Zed.D
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2013, 06:27 PM) *
Most Milan fans?

The majority of Milan fans I talk to absolutely despise Allegri, probably even more then I do, which is saying something. Even the majority of people on here hate him.

The fact that they're willing to put up with his cr@p for another year if he manages a 3rd spot only shows the mediocre expectations he's reduced us to. Like I said before. A CL spot for any Milan fan is a minimum expectation and not a cause for rejoicing as if we're some provincial club who have finally hit the motherload after years of waiting thanks to the brilliance that is Allegri. Because by some of the posts above that is what it's being made out to look like

BTW kurt, it really warms my heart to see you taking the time to look for something I said nearly 4 or 5 years ago biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Let's start a poll then wink.gif look at this thread for example


Kurt
dst
X-Off
Jack Sparrow
R7
Dracoris
milanbuf
and me


vs.

You
acid

wink.gif

It's not like that we would mind a better coach, but if you think one would agree to come in this situation, think again. and if we're going to bring someone like Allegri and unsettle ourselves for another few seasons, I personally would rather stick with Max tbh. until the day we have a formidable squad and can persuade a big coach to come in and make us great again.
Fillipo Simone
Well, you know I'm on han's side wink.gif
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