Jack Sparrow
May 30 2008, 09:03 AM
QUOTE
FIFA president Sepp Blatter has received a massive boost in his plans to implement the ‘6+5’ rule, after the world’s national federations voted overwhelmingly in favour of the proposal…
The FIFA World Congress convened in Sydney yesterday to moot the issue, voting 155 to 5 (with 40 abstinences) in favour of Blatter’s plan to limit foreign players within clubs.
If ultimately passed, the rule would see all clubs forced to field at least six homegrown players per match, in an attempt to encourage the development of local talent in countries flooded by imports.
The quota scheme has met with strong opposition in Europe, especially from the continent’s biggest clubs, many of whose squads will have to be overhauled to meet requirements.
The European Union have also opposed the scheme, claiming that in its current format it is illegal as it would restrict players’ rights to move freely between EU countries.
Thus, Blatter and UEFA president Michel Platini were asked "to explore all means within the limits of the law to ensure that these crucial sporting objectives be achieved."
If this goes through, then three clubs I can think of who are in deep shite are Inter, Arsenal and Chelsea And Madrid's mid-field??. Though Chelsea will probably just buy Micah Richards.
We have if I'm not wrong.. Oddo..Nesta...Pirlo...Ambro...Rino...Pippo as starters. So now we might have Borriello and Abbiati as well. So this sounds safe for us.
In what way do you think it can be made legal??
6 players in the team must either be nationals and/or have been recruits from the youth squad?? Will that suffice?
dst
May 30 2008, 09:24 AM
This is stupid!
amancik
May 30 2008, 10:39 AM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 30 2008, 09:03 AM)
We have if I'm not wrong.. Oddo..Nesta...Pirlo...Ambro...Rino...Pippo as starters. So now we might have Borriello and Abbiati as well. So this sounds safe for us.
and Zambrotta ..
han2503
May 30 2008, 10:41 AM
Inter might as well just pack up and move to Argentina.
dst
May 30 2008, 10:50 AM
Inter will not have a problem. 4 native players will be required by 2010, 5 the next year and 6 after that.
m1ke
May 30 2008, 10:59 AM
One of his only good ideas in my opinion. Although what's to stop the big clubs forging a 'Super League' and playing under their own rules?
dst
May 30 2008, 11:15 AM
Actually, Milan will have as big a problem as Inter... I cannot imagine that by 2012, Ambro, Oddo, Nesta, Pirlo, Ambro, Rino, Pippo and Zambrotta if he comes will be starters... so think again before laughing at Inter!
Fillipo Simone
May 30 2008, 03:30 PM
Guys as far as I know, EU rejected the proposal...
morgoth
May 30 2008, 06:22 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 30 2008, 03:30 PM)
Guys as far as I know, EU rejected the proposal...
Yes they did, but the next president of the EU is France (July I think) so I can see thing going through easily ...
kurtsimonw
May 30 2008, 07:00 PM
Would be nice if it did go through. Arsenal would be in major trouble, Inter too!
dst
May 30 2008, 07:45 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 30 2008, 09:00 PM)
Would be nice if it did go through. Arsenal would be in major trouble, Inter too!
D'oh! No one reads my posts!
I thought that at least I wasn't wasting my life on nothing!!
kurtsimonw
May 30 2008, 07:46 PM
What posts?
I_Rossoneri
May 30 2008, 07:46 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 30 2008, 02:30 PM)
Guys as far as I know, EU rejected the proposal...
I heard the only country to reject it is England...
Surprise surprise
IMO it is an excellent idea, probably the best thing Blatter has ever come up with. Anything that brings on young home grown players can only be a positive.
kurtsimonw
May 30 2008, 07:50 PM
I don't see what the EUs problem is with it to be honest. How on earth is it stopping foreigners playing? If I can read correctly, which I believe I can, it states that only 6 players need to be home grown. So what about the other 5 spots, surely that's for the foreigners?
Not only that, but football teams have a squad, teams that have a squad of 22 players could still have upto 16 foreigners, yeah, it's really stopping them from working isn't it.
kurtsimonw
May 30 2008, 07:54 PM
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ May 30 2008, 06:46 PM)
I heard the only country to reject it is England...
Surprise surprise
Nah, the majority did.
morgoth
May 30 2008, 07:54 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 30 2008, 07:50 PM)
I don't see what the EUs problem is with it to be honest. How on earth is it stopping foreigners playing? If I can read correctly, which I believe I can, it states that only 6 players need to be home grown. So what about the other 5 spots, surely that's for the foreigners?
Not only that, but football teams have a squad, teams that have a squad of 22 players could still have upto 16 foreigners, yeah, it's really stopping them from working isn't it.
Working in a sense of playing ...
Wait a second, this rule is about home grown players or about national players (like Italians for Milan)?
(I think it's about national players, but I could be wrong)
morgoth
May 30 2008, 07:56 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 30 2008, 07:54 PM)
Yeah, the majority did because it's against the EU laws of exploiting others ...
kurtsimonw
May 30 2008, 07:58 PM
QUOTE (morgoth @ May 30 2008, 06:54 PM)
Working in a sense of playing ...
Wait a second, this rule is about home grown players or about national players (like Italians for Milan)?
(I think it's about national players, but I could be wrong)
I think it's home grown - so the likes of Fabregas would be considered 'English' enough to play.
The only thing that's annoying me about the whole thing is that it all seems to have come about during Englands dominance of Europe. How come there was no talk of this from UEFA with the all Spanish and all Italian finals? Typical!
In my opinion, this doesn't need to be introduced into the first team. Take on the problem at it's source - youth football. If no foreigners are allowed in youth teams it will help development, and it will also stop teams stealing youngsters from other countries.
morgoth
May 30 2008, 08:03 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 30 2008, 07:58 PM)
I think it's home grown - so the likes of Fabregas would be considered 'English' enough to play.
The only thing that's annoying me about the whole thing is that it all seems to have come about during Englands dominance of Europe. How come there was no talk of this from UEFA with the all Spanish and all Italian finals? Typical!
Are you sure about it, I think the home grown rule is already applied in eufa competitions, and I don't think a club like Arsenal would be worrying that much if it was about home grown players, they actually have a lot of young players who started at the club at 17/18 years old
No I don't think it has something to do with the English dominance, but it sure has a lot to do with all the fuss following England's participation at the euro, all this "there's a lot of foreigns in our league" came from England after all ...
QUOTE
In my opinion, this doesn't need to be introduced into the first team. Take on the problem at it's source - youth football. If no foreigners are allowed in youth teams it will help development, and it will also stop teams stealing youngsters from other countries.
That's exactly why I think it's about the national players and not the home grown ones!
kurtsimonw
May 30 2008, 08:09 PM
I really don't know whether it's home grown or national then. Haven't a clue!
mishie
May 30 2008, 08:13 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 30 2008, 07:09 PM)
I really don't know whether it's home grown or national then. Haven't a clue!
basically the rule is that the player has to be in the academy for at least 2 years from the ages of 13-16 it doesn't matter if say he was french but in england as long as he has come through the academy he is then classed as home grown
kurtsimonw
May 30 2008, 08:15 PM
Ah, so this rule will just cause teams like Arsenal to do what they do even more - steal talents of other clubs!
mishie
May 30 2008, 08:17 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 30 2008, 07:15 PM)
Ah, so this rule will just cause teams like Arsenal to do what they do even more - steal talents of other clubs!
yep!
morgoth
May 30 2008, 08:18 PM
Ok it's what I though here's the official definition of the 6+5 rule.
QUOTE
Definition of 6+5
- At the beginning of each match, each club must field at least 6 who are players eligible to play for the national team of the country of the club.
- However, there is:
- no restriction on the number of non-eligible players under contract with the club,
- nor on substitutes to avoid non-sportive constraints on the coaches (potentially 3+8 at the end of a match).
Source
whoarethepatriots
May 30 2008, 08:48 PM
This could create further imbalance. All the big teams would choose the best nationals and leave the lower clubs to look for players in a lower division with possibly lower quality. Top teams would still dominate
I want to see a stop to young players being poached by (mostly) premiership clubs. That is a bigger problem than this
kurtsimonw
May 30 2008, 08:54 PM
So Fabregas wouldn't count? As he is NOT eligible to play for this country, as he has already appearaed for Spain?
morgoth
May 30 2008, 08:55 PM
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ May 30 2008, 08:48 PM)
This could create further imbalance. All the big teams would choose the best nationals and leave the lower clubs to look for players in a lower division with possibly lower quality. Top teams would still dominate
I want to see a stop to young players being poached by (mostly) premiership clubs. That is a bigger problem than this
Unfortunately this will always be the case, most players will always choose the top clubs and the money, and I think this rule has nothing to do it ...
I_Rossoneri
May 30 2008, 08:58 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 30 2008, 06:54 PM)
Radio 1 said yesterday that all the other countries accepted it yet England didn't.
mishie
May 30 2008, 09:00 PM
the english fa have publicly back the idea tonight
I_Rossoneri
May 30 2008, 09:07 PM
QUOTE (mishie @ May 30 2008, 07:13 PM)
basically the rule is that the player has to be in the academy for at least 2 years from the ages of 13-16 it doesn't matter if say he was french but in england as long as he has come through the academy he is then classed as home grown
I copied this from the article:
QUOTE
If ultimately passed, the rule would see all clubs forced to field at least six homegrown players per match, [/B]in an attempt to encourage the development of local talent in countries flooded by imports[B].
Now this looks like homegrown players, i.e.English players in England, Italian players in Italy etc
I_Rossoneri
May 30 2008, 09:10 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 30 2008, 06:58 PM)
I think it's home grown - so the likes of Fabregas would be considered 'English' enough to play.
The only thing that's annoying me about the whole thing is that it all seems to have come about during Englands dominance of Europe. How come there was no talk of this from UEFA with the all Spanish and all Italian finals? Typical!
In my opinion, this doesn't need to be introduced into the first team. Take on the problem at it's source - youth football. If no foreigners are allowed in youth teams it will help development, and it will also stop teams stealing youngsters from other countries.
Ironically this comes after England fail to qualify for Euro 2008...
There are too many foreigners in the prem, giving younger English players a chance will benefit England in future years.
kurtsimonw
May 30 2008, 09:12 PM
I'm not sure that's the only reason. BBC did an article a few days ago comparing the big 4 leagues and how many home and foreign players they had. England and Germany weren't too far off each other, yet the German NT is fine!
I_Rossoneri
May 30 2008, 09:20 PM
Arsenal would be screwed
kurtsimonw
May 30 2008, 10:28 PM
Most would. Only 2 teams in the league meet the limits! I think most could at a push though, United have 6 English players starting in the CL Final, so I think it'd mean they'd just dominate the league even more if this rule was bought in.
dst
May 31 2008, 11:36 AM
I still don't see a problem right now. This is just more Blatter bs! I don't like seeing teams field only foreigners but how can anyone say this is a problem? If that's what a club wants to do then they should be able to do it in my opinion.
Also, I couldn't care less about what will happen to Arsenal or United. Do you guys realize Milan is in big trouble if this stupid thing is applied? NOT A SINGLE ONE OF OUR CURRENT STARTERS WILL BE STARTERS IN 2012 WHEN THIS IS PLANNED TO GO THROUGH!!!
Fillipo Simone
Jun 1 2008, 01:05 AM
^ Except maybe Pirlo, right? With 34, team captain,...
Nah, 5 years to go, Milan will do what is neccesary. We'll just buy some younger italian players and I also belive Paloschi will be there plus at least some of the other primaveras/young players.
Of course we'll do what it takes but I'm just pointing out that we're not assured...
whoarethepatriots
Jun 1 2008, 03:01 PM
This will change nothing as a "homegrown" player is the Fabregas type (trained in a country regardless of nationality between 15-21) all it does is encourages clubs to buy them young. Whats worse is that home talents like (future versions of) Palsochi for us, Balotelli for Inter and Giovinco for Juve may be pushed out for players like Fabregas who clearly are not homegrown.
Something needs to change and this proposal will not not help
morgoth
Jun 1 2008, 04:02 PM
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 1 2008, 03:01 PM)
This will change nothing as a "homegrown" player is the Fabregas type (trained in a country regardless of nationality between 15-21) all it does is encourages clubs to buy them young. Whats worse is that home talents like (future versions of) Palsochi for us, Balotelli for Inter and Giovinco for Juve may be pushed out for players like Fabregas who clearly are not homegrown.
Something needs to change and this proposal will not not help
Again, it's not about home grown players but about national players, as far as I'm concerned Fabregas isn't eligible to play for England, so that rules him out ...
kurtsimonw
Jun 3 2008, 01:49 AM
QUOTE (morgoth @ Jun 1 2008, 03:02 PM)
Again, it's not about home grown players but about national players, as far as I'm concerned Fabregas isn't eligible to play for England, so that rules him out ...
"If ultimately passed, the rule would see all
clubs forced to field at least six homegrown players per match, in an attempt to encourage the development of local talent in countries flooded by imports."
It is homegrown. So Faregas WOULD be considered 'English' in a sense. I think it means players between the ages of 15 and 21 need to play at least 3 years of their football in a certain country in order to be considered homegrown by that country.
It will just cause teams to steal youngsters from one another on an even more regular basis.
Jack Sparrow
Jun 3 2008, 08:33 AM
^^
Well the reverse would also work out kurt. Teams would be less eager to let any of their youngsters with potential go out easy. For eg. Barca would probably just make a better offer than what Arsenal did to keep Cesc in.
whoarethepatriots
Jun 3 2008, 12:21 PM
Italian and Spanish teams cant fight it out with Premiership clubs financially and also they cant offer below 18 year olds professional contracts. Nothing is going to dissuade them from doing taking youth from other clubs
This is the bigger problem and Platini needs to do something about it
morgoth
Jun 3 2008, 03:10 PM
QUOTE
Definition of 6+5
- At the beginning of each match, each club must field at least 6 who are players eligible to play for the national team of the country of the club.
- However, there is:
- no restriction on the number of non-eligible players under contract with the club,
- nor on substitutes to avoid non-sportive constraints on the coaches (potentially 3+8 at the end of a match).
This is from fifa.com
Morgoth I don't think they're paying attention...
morgoth
Jun 3 2008, 04:11 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 3 2008, 04:05 PM)
Morgoth I don't think they're paying attention...
Me too
that's why I changed the size, because size really matter ...
QUOTE (morgoth @ Jun 3 2008, 06:11 PM)
Me too
that's why I changed the size, because size really matter ...
Let's see...
kurtsimonw
Jun 3 2008, 08:23 PM
Hmm. So the article about the quotation thing states it's for homegrown, but the FIFA thing says they must be eligible for the NT.. confusing!
It's never going to happen, so I don't think there's need for worrying about it.
I_Rossoneri
Jun 3 2008, 11:14 PM
Homegrown = nationals and not foreigners.
For once it's something that would benefit everyone, national teams would get stronger and youth players would be given more chances. Just a shame that the nazi EU will oppose it
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