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Benfica vs. Milan
Champions League Match Day 5
Wednesday 28th November 2007
Time: 19.45 (UK Time) 20.45 (Italian Time)
Champions League Match Day 5
Wednesday 28th November 2007
Time: 19.45 (UK Time) 20.45 (Italian Time)
Full Version: 28/11/07 - CL - Benfica vs.Milan
after watching Benfica last night not to many worries here...but they way we played today yo u just never know....but i'm going with a 1-2 win and qualification 
Milan will qualify .. No doubt in my mind, let it be against Benfica or Celtic 
For this game, I would put my money on a Milan win. Benfica is not what it used to be
For this game, I would put my money on a Milan win. Benfica is not what it used to be
Hopefully we'll win and the other game gives us a favourable result.
If we can qualify as group winners in this game we can concentrate 100% on Serie A and the CWC until the CL restarts again
If we can qualify as group winners in this game we can concentrate 100% on Serie A and the CWC until the CL restarts again
I think Ambro is suspended for this..
My lineup:
Dida
Oddo-Nesta-Bonera-Serginho
Gattuso-Pirlo-Seedorf
Kaka
Ronaldo-Gilardino
A win would be great but a draw would suffice. If Seedorf can't go, Carlo will use Brocchi ... and if Ronaldo is too tired, he should play Gourcuff in x-mas tree but that seems doubtful
My lineup:
Dida
Oddo-Nesta-Bonera-Serginho
Gattuso-Pirlo-Seedorf
Kaka
Ronaldo-Gilardino
A win would be great but a draw would suffice. If Seedorf can't go, Carlo will use Brocchi ... and if Ronaldo is too tired, he should play Gourcuff in x-mas tree but that seems doubtful
I'd thought initially Paolo would play for this. But I think he's in for the Juve match.
i think that bonera deserves his start...maybe a starting team could look like this
i'm definite, that we'll play with one striker, one that hand ronaldo will start on the bench in my opinion...
this squad is just a speculation, it may look funny
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cafu - nesta - bonera - maldini
gattuso - pirlo - serginho
kaka - seedorf
gilardino
gattuso - pirlo - serginho
kaka - seedorf
gilardino
i'm definite, that we'll play with one striker, one that hand ronaldo will start on the bench in my opinion...
this squad is just a speculation, it may look funny
Carlo will most probably go for the xmas tree, if Ambro is suspended then Brocchi will start 
But if Seedorf isn't ready to play then I think we'll go for 2 strikers, even though I think Carlo will try to save Ronnie for Juve, same goes for Maldini
Oddo--Nesta--Bonera--Sergio
-----Rino---Pirlo---Brocchi-----
---------Kaka--Seedorf---------
------------Gila/Pippo-----------
or
Oddo--Nesta--Bonera--Sergio
-----Rino---Pirlo---Brocchi-----
-------------Kaka---------------
-------Ronaldo--Gila-----------
It all depends on whether Seedorf is fit or not
But if Seedorf isn't ready to play then I think we'll go for 2 strikers, even though I think Carlo will try to save Ronnie for Juve, same goes for Maldini
Oddo--Nesta--Bonera--Sergio
-----Rino---Pirlo---Brocchi-----
---------Kaka--Seedorf---------
------------Gila/Pippo-----------
or
Oddo--Nesta--Bonera--Sergio
-----Rino---Pirlo---Brocchi-----
-------------Kaka---------------
-------Ronaldo--Gila-----------
It all depends on whether Seedorf is fit or not
So han, u resorted back to the two DMs
Hopefully Pippo breaks the record
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Goalkeepers: Dida, Fiori, Kalac.
Defenders: Bonera, Cafu, Favalli, Kaladze, Maldini, Nesta, Oddo, Serginho, Simic.
Midfielders: Brocchi, Gattuso, Gourcuff, Kakà , Pirlo, Seedorf.
Attackers: Aubameyang, Gilardino, Ronaldo.
Defenders: Bonera, Cafu, Favalli, Kaladze, Maldini, Nesta, Oddo, Serginho, Simic.
Midfielders: Brocchi, Gattuso, Gourcuff, Kakà , Pirlo, Seedorf.
Attackers: Aubameyang, Gilardino, Ronaldo.
I think the formation would look like this:
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Oddo-Nesta-Kakha-Favalli
Gattuso-Pirlo-Seedorf
---------Kaka'
Gilardino
-------------Ronaldo
Gattuso-Pirlo-Seedorf
---------Kaka'
Gilardino
-------------Ronaldo
No record for Pippo 
I hope Bonera gets the start, he deserves it
I hope Bonera gets the start, he deserves it
Yeah he does ... Who knows, we might see him too 
Don't worry about Pippo, he'll score in Moscow
Don't worry about Pippo, he'll score in Moscow
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Ahem.
I wanted to see Pippo break the record and I wanted to watch Il CAPITANO.
Even so, it should be a good game. The weather is very good for this time of year and Benfica are still missing their best DM (Petit is still training separately). So...win for Milan.
I'm very annoyed as after a trip to Sagres (see map) my camera is not working. Hoping to get it fixed so I can get a good shot of Seedorf's @ss for dst. (and one of NESTA for me)
(PS - Fillipo, your pm inbox is full).
Ahem.
I wanted to see Pippo break the record and I wanted to watch Il CAPITANO.
Even so, it should be a good game. The weather is very good for this time of year and Benfica are still missing their best DM (Petit is still training separately). So...win for Milan.
I'm very annoyed as after a trip to Sagres (see map) my camera is not working. Hoping to get it fixed so I can get a good shot of Seedorf's @ss for dst.
(and one of NESTA for me)(PS - Fillipo, your pm inbox is full).
So ur finally gonna go
Hope u have a blast !!
Hope u have a blast !!
they are missing Cardoza i heard
[quote=Tennie,Nov 26 2007, 07:48 PM]
I'm very annoyed as after a trip to Sagres (see map) my camera is not working. Hoping to get it fixed so I can get a good shot of Seedorf's @ss for dst. (and one of NESTA for me)
...wish i could get yours..
I'm very annoyed as after a trip to Sagres (see map) my camera is not working. Hoping to get it fixed so I can get a good shot of Seedorf's @ss for dst.
(and one of NESTA for me)...wish i could get yours..
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AC Milan will be without veteran striker Filippo Inzaghi for Wednesday's Champions League clash at Benfica.
Inzaghi, who is the Rossoneri's leading scorer in Europe's elite club competition with three goals netted so far, is struggling with the flu and has been ruled out for the midweek encounter in Portugal.
The good news for the European champions is that Brazil striker Ronaldo has fully recovered from a thigh injury.
Ronaldo, who made his season debut in Sunday's 2-1 triumph in Cagliari, looked in fine form earning his side a penalty before hitting the post.
However, coach Carlo Ancelotti is set to leave the South American on the bench and play instead with lone striker Alberto Gilardino against Benfica.
"I don't think Ronaldo will play from the start," admitted Ancelotti.
Milan go into the contest in Lisbon knowing that a win would be sufficient to see them through to the next round with a game in hand.
The Rossoneri lead Group D having collected nine points in their last four games and know the importance of this match.
"We want to do well in Portugal," said Gilardino. "We want to make sure we secure qualification in order to be able to focus on our domestic campaign."
A win on Wednesday would be a big morale boost for the Rossoneri, who must brace themselves for a challenging weekend when they host Juventus.
Milan have failed to win a league game at home and cannot afford further slips if they wish to reduce their current 11-point deficit with Serie A leaders Internazionale.
But the defending champions will not have an easy task against Jose Antonio Camacho's side.
Benfica are in desperate need of points if they wish to revive their hopes of progressing to the next round.
The Portuguese giants sit bottom of the group, three points adrift of Shakhtar Donetsk and Celtic.
No player knows the task awaiting Benfica better than Rui Costa, who spent five years with Milan before deciding to return home.
"We know it's going to be a very difficult challenge but not impossible," said the Portuguese midfielder.
"We will face Milan with the same respect that we showed against Academica."
Camacho's men go into the encounter inspired by their 3-1 away triumph at Academica Coimbra, which marked their fifth consecutive triumph in the Portuguese SuperLiga.
"This was a very important win for us," admitted Camacho, whose team are second in the Liga standings, four points behind leaders Porto. "Now we must recover our strength in time for Wednesday's game."
The hosts will be without Augustin Binya, who serves the first of a six-match ban against Milan.
The visitors will be without suspended Massimo Ambrosini and the injured Marek Jankulovski.
Milan are hoping to recover experienced midfielder Clarence Seedorf, who sprained his left ankle in training on Saturday.
Seedorf has travelled to Lisbon but it is doubtful whether he will feature in the game.
Inzaghi, who is the Rossoneri's leading scorer in Europe's elite club competition with three goals netted so far, is struggling with the flu and has been ruled out for the midweek encounter in Portugal.
The good news for the European champions is that Brazil striker Ronaldo has fully recovered from a thigh injury.
Ronaldo, who made his season debut in Sunday's 2-1 triumph in Cagliari, looked in fine form earning his side a penalty before hitting the post.
However, coach Carlo Ancelotti is set to leave the South American on the bench and play instead with lone striker Alberto Gilardino against Benfica.
"I don't think Ronaldo will play from the start," admitted Ancelotti.
Milan go into the contest in Lisbon knowing that a win would be sufficient to see them through to the next round with a game in hand.
The Rossoneri lead Group D having collected nine points in their last four games and know the importance of this match.
"We want to do well in Portugal," said Gilardino. "We want to make sure we secure qualification in order to be able to focus on our domestic campaign."
A win on Wednesday would be a big morale boost for the Rossoneri, who must brace themselves for a challenging weekend when they host Juventus.
Milan have failed to win a league game at home and cannot afford further slips if they wish to reduce their current 11-point deficit with Serie A leaders Internazionale.
But the defending champions will not have an easy task against Jose Antonio Camacho's side.
Benfica are in desperate need of points if they wish to revive their hopes of progressing to the next round.
The Portuguese giants sit bottom of the group, three points adrift of Shakhtar Donetsk and Celtic.
No player knows the task awaiting Benfica better than Rui Costa, who spent five years with Milan before deciding to return home.
"We know it's going to be a very difficult challenge but not impossible," said the Portuguese midfielder.
"We will face Milan with the same respect that we showed against Academica."
Camacho's men go into the encounter inspired by their 3-1 away triumph at Academica Coimbra, which marked their fifth consecutive triumph in the Portuguese SuperLiga.
"This was a very important win for us," admitted Camacho, whose team are second in the Liga standings, four points behind leaders Porto. "Now we must recover our strength in time for Wednesday's game."
The hosts will be without Augustin Binya, who serves the first of a six-match ban against Milan.
The visitors will be without suspended Massimo Ambrosini and the injured Marek Jankulovski.
Milan are hoping to recover experienced midfielder Clarence Seedorf, who sprained his left ankle in training on Saturday.
Seedorf has travelled to Lisbon but it is doubtful whether he will feature in the game.
no record breaking
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 26 2007, 02:59 PM)
So han, u resorted back to the two DMs
Very funny
Just seeing it from Carlo's perspective, and I can't imagine him starting Yoann in this one. And I don't even know if I personally would have him in the starting 11 but definately as a sub to give him a run out especially if we manage to take control of the game by the end of the 1st half
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 27 2007, 05:32 PM)
Just seeing it from Carlo's perspective, and I can't imagine him starting Yoann in this one. And I don't even know if I personally would have him in the starting 11 but definately as a sub to give him a run out especially if we manage to take control of the game by the end of the 1st half
Come one man, you've been brainwashed too?? We don't need two DMF's, Gourcuff is perfect for this game, can cause a big upset since they don't know him at all... Benfica won't sit back and defend like Celtic did, they'll give us space and Yoann can work his magic and get back his lost confidence!
If we are not planning to give him any chances or if we don't believe in him then let's give him a chance to develop by selling him!! I don't want to see his careed go down in Milan, no matter how big a career it can be...
Don Ronaldo arrivin' Lisbon.
QUOTE (Porty @ Nov 27 2007, 06:11 PM)
Don Ronaldo arrivin' Lisbon.
Will you be going to the game?
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 27 2007, 04:17 PM)
Will you be going to the game?
No cash and more things to do in Porto. Probably not gonna watch it.
Only Gila from the start... Brocchi starting very probable.
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 27 2007, 03:55 PM)
Come one man, you've been brainwashed too?? We don't need two DMF's, Gourcuff is perfect for this game, can cause a big upset since they don't know him at all... Benfica won't sit back and defend like Celtic did, they'll give us space and Yoann can work his magic and get back his lost confidence!
If we are not planning to give him any chances or if we don't believe in him then let's give him a chance to develop by selling him!! I don't want to see his careed go down in Milan, no matter how big a career it can be...
If we are not planning to give him any chances or if we don't believe in him then let's give him a chance to develop by selling him!! I don't want to see his careed go down in Milan, no matter how big a career it can be...
Of course not I've been arguing about this issue for nearly 3 days over in the other thread.
But as I also said I have no problem with using the 2 defensive mids in the CL it's in the Serie A that I have a problem with.
I personally would like to see Yoann get 45 whole minutes in this, just thought about giving them to him in the 2nd half because he is low on confidence and hopefully by then there would be no pressure on him and he can show us what he can really do.
But in the end we all know that Carlo will at most give him 20 minutes and that is a big if.
QUOTE (Porty @ Nov 27 2007, 04:11 PM)
wow? lol
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 27 2007, 06:55 PM)
Come one man, you've been brainwashed too?? We don't need two DMF's, Gourcuff is perfect for this game, can cause a big upset since they don't know him at all... Benfica won't sit back and defend like Celtic did, they'll give us space and Yoann can work his magic and get back his lost confidence!
If we are not planning to give him any chances or if we don't believe in him then let's give him a chance to develop by selling him!! I don't want to see his careed go down in Milan, no matter how big a career it can be...
If we are not planning to give him any chances or if we don't believe in him then let's give him a chance to develop by selling him!! I don't want to see his careed go down in Milan, no matter how big a career it can be...
Hey .. Don't u ever interfere with my work again !
Or else, I'll have to rinse your brain and put it out to dry (deep fry) in the desert's sun
On a serious note though, I think Gourcuff will play in this tie, something like in the second half, if the team manages to close off the game.
But don't worry about his career ... He is convinced he wants to stay and I'm sure, as the season is still long, he'll get more chances
In that pic, it's like one of those suspense thriller movies. Ronaldo is the rich gazillionaire mob boss, and Pirlo is the silent assassin tailing him. I mean just look at their costumes.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 28 2007, 07:11 AM)
In that pic, it's like one of those suspense thriller movies. Ronaldo is the rich gazillionaire mob boss, and Pirlo is the silent assassin tailing him. I mean just look at their costumes.
Exactly!
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 28 2007, 12:07 AM)
I'm sure, as the season is still long, he'll get more chances
You've been saying that since September... and he's been given... 2 chances (I don't count late subtitutes of course!)! That will make a total of less than 10 chances in the end of the season... not exactly what a young player needs to develop...
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 28 2007, 05:41 AM)
In that pic, it's like one of those suspense thriller movies. Ronaldo is the rich gazillionaire mob boss, and Pirlo is the silent assassin tailing him. I mean just look at their costumes.
And what would be your role Willy??
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 28 2007, 01:03 PM)
And what would be your role Willy??That one is easy. Keyser Söze. Just coz I've convinced the world I don't exist, doesn't mean I don't.
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 28 2007, 10:33 AM)
You've been saying that since September... and he's been given... 2 chances (I don't count late subtitutes of course!)! That will make a total of less than 10 chances in the end of the season... not exactly what a young player needs to develop...
Ofcourse what I say doesn't necessarily mean it will happen, it is just how I see things ... But in the long run, he'll get to play. Not in Serie A or in CL though, rather the Coppa and maybe, just maybe start in some Serie A games IF he impresses. So I'd say he'd have 10 or so games to look forward too ... I'm not expecting him to bench anyone, anytime soon
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 28 2007, 12:39 PM)
Ofcourse what I say doesn't necessarily mean it will happen, it is just how I see things ... But in the long run, he'll get to play. Not in Serie A or in CL though, rather the Coppa and maybe, just maybe start in some Serie A games IF he impresses. So I'd say he'd have 10 or so games to look forward too ... I'm not expecting him to bench anyone, anytime soon
I'm not expecting him to bench anyone either. But that has nothing to do with it... we can't keep fielding the same 11 time and time again, we'll exhaust them to death... Gourcuff should be playing more, whether he's good enough or not... nowadays subtitutes are essential parts of a team. But oh wait, that's for teams who actually compete on all fronts, Milan have given up on the scudetto before it even started...
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 28 2007, 01:59 PM)
I'm not expecting him to bench anyone either. But that has nothing to do with it... we can't keep fielding the same 11 time and time again, we'll exhaust them to death... Gourcuff should be playing more, whether he's good enough or not... nowadays subtitutes are essential parts of a team. But oh wait, that's for teams who actually compete on all fronts, Milan have given up on the scudetto before it even started...
Maybe, maybe Milan just didn't want the Scudetto
Ofcourse rotation is important, especially for a long season like ours ... Just give it time .. There is still more games to play than what the team have already played in thus far.
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 28 2007, 01:14 PM)
Maybe, maybe Milan just didn't want the Scudetto
The is not such thing 'didn't want' for Milan, but there is 'not doing enough'.
Everywhere the board, coach and the players was talking about scudetto. If Milan did the wrong things, it doesn't mean they didn't wanted to win it the first place. It's just means that some things must be fixes. I will never except 'Milan just didn't want the Scudetto'.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 28 2007, 03:41 AM)
In that pic, it's like one of those suspense thriller movies. Ronaldo is the rich gazillionaire mob boss, and Pirlo is the silent assassin tailing him. I mean just look at their costumes.
QUOTE (mishale @ Nov 28 2007, 03:50 PM)
The is not such thing 'didn't want' for Milan, but there is 'not doing enough'.
Everywhere the board, coach and the players was talking about scudetto. If Milan did the wrong things, it doesn't mean they didn't wanted to win it the first place. It's just means that some things must be fixes. I will never except 'Milan just didn't want the Scudetto'.
Everywhere the board, coach and the players was talking about scudetto. If Milan did the wrong things, it doesn't mean they didn't wanted to win it the first place. It's just means that some things must be fixes. I will never except 'Milan just didn't want the Scudetto'.
I know ... I was just being as sarcastic as dst .... U of all ppl should have read through that
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 28 2007, 04:43 PM)
I know ... I was just being as sarcastic as dst .... U of all ppl should have read through that
Well, you have said it seriously a few times before...
Oh that was him being seriously sarcastic. You of all people should know that.
@R7: Don't ever say I haven't got your back!
@R7: Don't ever say I haven't got your back!
whats the most likely formation for this?
I heard we have no janku, seedorf, inzaghi, emerson, and ambrosini
This is a sign from God that we should start letting Gourcuff play
I heard we have no janku, seedorf, inzaghi, emerson, and ambrosini
This is a sign from God that we should start letting Gourcuff play
It's going to be something like this:
Dida
Oddo-Nesta-Kaladze-Serginho
Gattuso-Pirlo-Brocchi
Kaka-Seedorf
Gilardino
Carlo said Seedorf was fine, and Ronaldo would probably start from the bench.
Dida
Oddo-Nesta-Kaladze-Serginho
Gattuso-Pirlo-Brocchi
Kaka-Seedorf
Gilardino
Carlo said Seedorf was fine, and Ronaldo would probably start from the bench.
QUOTE (Darunia @ Nov 28 2007, 05:16 PM)
It's going to be something like this:
Dida
Oddo-Nesta-Kaladze-Serginho
Gattuso-Pirlo-Brocchi
Kaka-Seedorf
Gilardino
Dida
Oddo-Nesta-Kaladze-Serginho
Gattuso-Pirlo-Brocchi
Kaka-Seedorf
Gilardino
That man does not belong in milan
Lineup up, tactical not up yet but:
Dida
Bonera
Nesta
Kaladze
Serginho
Gattuso
Pirlo
Brocchi
Seedorf
Kaka
Gilardino
Bonera picked in front of Oddo and Cafu.. hope he impresses
Dida
Bonera
Nesta
Kaladze
Serginho
Gattuso
Pirlo
Brocchi
Seedorf
Kaka
Gilardino
Bonera picked in front of Oddo and Cafu.. hope he impresses
QUOTE (mishale @ Nov 28 2007, 04:20 PM)
The is not such thing 'didn't want' for Milan, but there is 'not doing enough'.
Everywhere the board, coach and the players was talking about scudetto. If Milan did the wrong things, it doesn't mean they didn't wanted to win it the first place. It's just means that some things must be fixes. I will never except 'Milan just didn't want the Scudetto'.
Everywhere the board, coach and the players was talking about scudetto. If Milan did the wrong things, it doesn't mean they didn't wanted to win it the first place. It's just means that some things must be fixes. I will never except 'Milan just didn't want the Scudetto'.
'The objective' at the start of the season was 'to win it all.'
Bonera on the right...
and Brocchi picked head of Gourcuff... why, oh why?? It's not like that short lil' excuse of a player has any CL experience so why is he getting the nod? Arghh!!!!!
... I'm disappointed!
and Brocchi picked head of Gourcuff... why, oh why?? It's not like that short lil' excuse of a player has any CL experience so why is he getting the nod? Arghh!!!!!
... I'm disappointed!
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 28 2007, 08:59 PM)
'The objective' at the start of the season was 'to win it all.'
'The objective' at the start of every season is 'to win it all' (except the Coppa. We leave it to Inter
).
Benfica coach bring Nuno Gomez in , he want goals
BENFICA-MILAN: FORMAZIONI UFFICIALI
28/11/2007
BENFICA: Quim; Luis Filipe, Luisao, David Luiz, Leo; Katsouranis, Petit, Maxi Pereira; Rui Costa, C.Rodriguez; Nuno Gomes.
MILAN: Dida; Bonera, Nesta, Kaladze, Serginho; Gattuso, Pirlo, Brocchi; Kakà , Seedorf; Gilardino.
28/11/2007
BENFICA: Quim; Luis Filipe, Luisao, David Luiz, Leo; Katsouranis, Petit, Maxi Pereira; Rui Costa, C.Rodriguez; Nuno Gomes.
MILAN: Dida; Bonera, Nesta, Kaladze, Serginho; Gattuso, Pirlo, Brocchi; Kakà , Seedorf; Gilardino.
Predictable and cautious Line up. From Jannuary we are gonna play more with 2 strikers (Pato and Ronaldo), and then Yoann will have even less playing time. We must loan him in the next transfer window.
QUOTE (mishale @ Nov 28 2007, 10:32 PM)
'The objective' at the start of every season is 'to win it all' (except the Coppa. We leave it to Inter ).
).So it's not like our management have said at the start of the season that "**** Scudetto! we don't need that ****! we go after bigger fish"... [unlike what some people say].
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