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Fillipo Simone
This match will be very tuff. We have to find a way of coming back in form, and we have to win,... unsure.gif
Zed.D
I can see Lucarelli punishing us... my prediction is a 1-1 draw...
Darunia
We're at home, this a must-win basically. We'll do it, 2-1.
misha
This a super must win. Still, it's 3 weeks away. We probably would have Ronaldo, and hopefully a better shape, by then.
arivanjj
too early to predict what might happen in this match but i would imagine a bit more determination from us to win
dst
Right now we would most likely lose... but there is time! The sooner Ronaldo is ready to play the better! We'll get some good results that will boost our confidence!!
Bluesummers
Ronaldo will come by that time, and the team will get a shift of confidence as they'll have someone up front who can finish. We need him so bad its not even funny.
Ry4n
i should be going to this match on the 24th so ill be sure to take lots of photos and videos. I was at the Catania match last weekend in the Curva , ill put the photos up when asap and some videos

and good sites to go for when i put them on for videos / pictures ?
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 4 2007, 02:29 AM)
This a super must win. Still, it's 3 weeks away. We probably would have Ronaldo, and hopefully a better shape, by then.
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Yup, with Ronaldo .. The team will be complete. Kaka' would find more space and our attack would be lethal with Ronni and Inzaghi to double up on the defenses king.gif

I predict a win devilsmiley.gif
Minami
I saw them play against Red Bull Salzburg in their away match...they are a tough team away....

But I don't think it'll be too difficult to win this one....Really!!

I predict 2:0, for us of cause wink.gif smile.gif
Tennie
Luis Medina Cantalejo will be the referee for the game.

(from acmilan.com's italian page):Sarà lo spagnolo Luis Medina Cantalejo ad arbitrare Milan-Shakhtar Donetsk, in programma mercoledì a San Siro. I suoi assistenti saranno Carrasco Giraldez e Gallardo Artero, il quarto uomo Dominguez Ramirez.
jefri91
Ronaldo hasnt played for a while, is he going to be a good addition to the line up or bad??
Tennie
My fish doll will kiss R7 if Ronaldo plays.

(In other words, I really don't think he's going to play this one. The latest word indicates he'll first be back against Sampdoria on Oct 31.)
Tennie
Uhoh.

There's a very long interview with Fester on acmilan.com's Italian page. Channel 4 is sure to translate it as is acmilan.com (if you consider what they do to the English language translation).

However, there's one bit that's...very worrisome that I felt was worth quoting now:

JANKULOVSKI E LA SITUAZIONE AL MILAN: 'Oggi siamo in ansia per lui, sta facendo una risonanza magnetica al ginocchio, speriamo non si tratti di un problema al legamento. Si è fatto male ieri durante la gara con l'Empoli.

[Jankulovski and the situation at Milan: Today we're worried about him, he's having an MRI done on his knee. We hope it isn't a ligament problem. He was hurt yesterday during the Empoli game.]
Jack Sparrow
I kept saying we need a LB...
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 22 2007, 05:20 PM)
(if you consider what they do to the English language translation).
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At least it's better than Jose's English rolleyes.gif


p.s. Don't u dare threaten me with ur piranha again !!! mad.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 22 2007, 03:38 PM)
I kept saying we need a LB...
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There are not many avaible out there,..
MizNelson
QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 22 2007, 07:20 AM)
[Jankulovski and the situation at Milan: Today we're worried about him, he's having an MRI done on his knee. We hope it isn't a ligament problem. He was hurt yesterday during the Empoli game.]
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I love how you put your translations in brackets. You just reek of professionalism. biggrin.gif I spent ten hours taking inventory at work yesterday and could desperately use some piranha love.

Darnit, I have a nose whistle I can't get rid of...
Tennie
Awwwww. Well, the fish doll isn't a piranha (no matter what that meaniehead R7 says), but he'd be happy to offer hugs. smile.gif

And thanks for the kind words on my translations. For me, it's therapeutic.
Tennie
cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

A.C. MILAN OFFICIAL NOTE
10/22/2007
MILAN - The footballer Marek Jankulovski, who was injured during the Milan-Empoli match, was subjected to a magnetic resonance test that evidenced an injury to the external meniscus of his right knee. In the next few days the player will be subjected to more tests.

(crossposted on the Janku player page too)
dst
Wish we had Zambrotta! But "we're fine as we are"...

Bull.

Now one less threat for the opposition defence is gone! Let's hope Ronaldo will play even it's for a quarter of an hour... he spreads fear! No ari, this is not a joke of his weight! tongue.gif

This is bad! If Janku stays out for a month we're screwed. Favalli is a good defender but he can't help in attack...
Tennie
You know, we do have a guy other than Favallinho who's decent in a pinch at LB.

It wouldn't be a total Kaladzity if Milan's resident Georgian went over to LB for at least a couple of the games.

(Hah! Beat you to using it in a post, dst!)
whoarethepatriots
Kaka is reportedly facing a race against time to recover from a knock he took against Ecuador for Brasil
Rossoneri7
Two days left ... We have Janku out and Kaka' might not make it ..

I think Milan will produce something tomorrow (w/ or w/o Kaka') .. Carlo might field the same formation as against empoli. Or play Gourcuff instead of Gila in Kaka's position.

I just hope the team doesn't get more bad news ..
dst
Hmm... Kaladze at LB is acceptable!
jefri91
PLEASE LET GOURCUFF PLAY!!! PLZZZZZZZ
Tennie
It also occurred to me that there's another choice for LB at Milan. Some old guy who used to play LB before his knees went out.....
Ry4n
let Gourcuff play next to Seedorf both of them feed balls to Inzaghi or Gilardino who ever is striker but i think we must give Gourcuff a free role give him more confidence
KillerMax
I can't see Gourcuff playing in this game. Kaka will probably get fit and play along seedorf. For left back, I do think playing Kaladze is a good option. He can go forward pretty good. As for Maldini playing at LB, he could definitely do it, but not now. He is not match fit yet at all.
Jack Sparrow
Paolo could maybe play 60 mins at LB, before the pace started to tell.
I know there weren't a lot of great LBs, but it was obvious we need somebody. Even Grimi.

I'd have to agree. We have a paper thin squad if Kaka is out as well. We'll have to field Kaladze on the left. 4-3-2-1 with Yoann and Seedorf. Though I have a wierd feeling, Carlo's gonna do something crazy/wonderful with Emerson,Ambro,Rino and Pirlo.

What are the odds we see Pippo/Gila again?
Rossoneri7
Serginho king.gif
arivanjj
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 23 2007, 04:41 PM)
Serginho king.gif
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Ronaldo king.gif unsure.gif
Jack Sparrow
Check out the official site guys...mass apologies pouring in for the team. There's Carlo, there's Galliani, and there's Dida.

10ster translate please. I can't make head or tail of what Dida was trying to say.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 23 2007, 06:51 AM)
I have a wierd feeling, Carlo's gonna do something crazy/wonderful with Emerson,Ambro,Rino and Pirlo.

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Oh no, please!! sad.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 22 2007, 09:59 PM)
This is bad! If Janku stays out for a month we're screwed. Favalli is a good defender but he can't help in attack...
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Indeed we are screwed. If Srna plays for Shakhtar we are done. No Favalli, no Kaladze, noone can stop him. So I'd suggest at least Sergio cause of his speed and attacking ability that would distract Srna. But I suppose Carlo won't be ajusting his formation for "minor" teams like Shakhtar. But with Fav or Kala on LB we will eventually conceed and it will be Srna...

-----------------Dida-----------------
---------Nesta-------Bonera (Simic)----
--Oddo-------------------------Serginho--
-----------Emerson------------------------
---------------------------Ambrosini-------
------------------Pirlo----------------------
-------Seedorf-------------Kaka-----------
-----------------Pippo-----------------------

Something like this. Pippo starting, Gila in as a sub. Also, I'd prefer Emerson to Gattuso cause Rino is really in low form right now,..
Tennie
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 23 2007, 04:29 AM)
Check out the official site guys...mass apologies pouring in for the team. There's Carlo, there's Galliani, and there's Dida.

10ster translate please. I can't make head or tail of what Dida was trying to say.
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They've translated (badly) Carletto's postgame comments. As for Dida, he walked the circuit of the pitch and bowed in apology to each section. They haven't translated the player comments post-empoli, which is unfortunate (bits of Maldini's comments made it to goal articles but that's it). Oddo is pretty blunt: there are no excuses, we played badly, we've got to improve. Galliani's interview/comment is mostly the same sort of thing he normally says but even he says that a solution needs to be found, etc.
Tennie
From Carletto's prematch comments:

[We're on the eve of an important game and we'll face it with our two attackers (Gila/Pippo?)....Kaladze will stay in his role in the center realmad.gif and at the left we'll trade off between Serginho and Favalli. Tomorrow Favalli will start. unsure.gif Kaka? Right now, that's the big question mark. He's had a swollen knee since he got back. We have another day, we'll see if he recovers.]

Siamo alla vigilia di una partita importante e la affrontiamo con i nostri due attaccanti.....Per il resto Kaladze resta nel suo ruolo di centrale e a sinistra alterneremo Serginho e Favalli a seconda delle partite. Domani sera parte Favalli. Kakà? In questo momento è un grosso punto interrogativo. Da quando è rientrato è fermo per un fastidio al ginocchio. Abbiamo ancora un giorno di tempo, vediamo se riesce a recuperare o meno.

link

Also of note: Kaka DID train with the group today and it was Ambro, not Maldini, who did the pre-match player interview.
Zed.D
Kaladze stays in the center?! then where will Maldini play? is he going to play?
KillerMax
Gila-Pippo again? Did that combo ever work?

I think we'll get a much better performance out of the team with Gourcuff and Seedorf supporting a lone striker. That is, if Kaka can't play.
Zed.D
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 23 2007, 08:33 PM)
Gila-Pippo again? Did that combo ever work?

I think we'll get a much better performance out of the team with Gourcuff and Seedorf supporting a lone striker. That is, if Kaka can't play.
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To the best of my knowledge... NEVER. it's like playing with nine players, because they completely defuse each other. what a lovely pair they are rolleyes.gif
Tennie
(from acmilan.com)
MILAN-SHAKHTAR: CALLED UP PLAYERS
10/23/2007
MILANELLO - Here are the 20 called up Rossoneri players for the match against Shakhtar:
GOALKEEPERS: Fiori, Kalac, Offredi (n.30);
DEFENDERS: Bonera, Cafu, Favalli, Kaladze, Nesta, Oddo, Serginho;
MIDFIELDERS: Ambrosini, Brocchi, Gattuso, Emerson, Gourcuff, Kakà, Pirlo, Seedorf;
STRIKERS: Gilardino, Inzaghi.

No Maldini. Kaka IS called up.
Fillipo Simone
I hope we start with Serginho, especially after we know that Kala will be a CB,..
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 24 2007, 12:49 AM)
I hope we start with Serginho, especially after we know that Kala will be a CB,..
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Carlo confirmed Favali for lb in the press conference sad.gif But I'm sure we'll see him take part at some point of the game smile.gif
Nova
I know milan will win this one .

My only concern is kaka sad.gif
Rossoneri7
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Lucescu is wary about a backlash from the holders, however. "Milan cannot afford to lose two home games in a row so the atmosphere will be hot," he said. "They will try to score early so they can open up space – they are lethal when they have space. They know Shakhtar are a good side with good ability. We will not change our usual approach. We cannot play like Empoli did here on Sunday. We are not coming to defend. We want to receive the plaudits of the San Siro."


Source


Lucescu's (Shakhtar coach) comments.
Jack Sparrow
Goal.com Preview, not exactly un-critical of Milan...

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CL Preview: Milan - Shakhtar Donetsk


The Red and Black half of Milan is on the brink of what could well be a major turning point in the club's history, and this clash against table toppers and red hot Shakhtar Donetsk could not have come at a worse time.

A Rise In Ukraine

Twelve months ago, the Rossoneri would have been runaway favourites to dismiss the Ukrainians in a corresponding fixture. However, the summer has brought with it a sea of change.

While Milan basked in the false sense of security offered by their Champions League triumph, arrogantly ignoring the needs of the squad, Shakhtar were building a team, a real team.

Eyebrows were raised when Cristiano Lucarelli chose to move to Ukraine, but there seems to have been a method to the perceived madness.

With underrated but very useful Brazilians Brandao, Fernandinho and Jadson in their ranks, the ebullient Nary Castillo to add bite up front, and Darijo Srna to add quality in the middle, there is talent littered over the squad.

What was needed was a coach to put it all together into a formation, and that is just what Mircea Lucescu has done. Suddenly, Shakhtar are leaving teams such as Celtic and Benfica in their wake, and looking increasingly like they might just do the same to Milan.

A Fall In Italy

The Rossoneri have gone the other way during this period. Before the season started, it was obvious to all but Galliani and Berlusconi that the team was a little too old, a little too stake. The Champions League and the signing of Alexandre Pato served to cover up the flaws.

But come to think of it, the Champions League was largely down to Kaka having an inspirational tournament, keeping them in it often when they were second best. Pato is a mere anecdote until January, and with Ronaldo still in the doldrums, there is pretty much nothing for the fans to look forward to.

Simply put, they were taken for a ride.

What was surprising was Carlo Ancelotti also towed the same line, insisting time and again that he did not need major signings. A little too much depended on Ronaldo, Kaka, Nesta, Maldini and Pirlo having their best games match in match out. 

How they could have done with Gabriel Milito, Franck Ribery, Marco Amelia and Samuel Eto'o, to name a few? Don't get me wrong, they have some big wins under their belts, and the thrashing of Lazio is just the case in point. They will do that a few more times this season, on evenings when it all comes together, but simply do not have it in them to do it with any form of consistency.

Maldini will be lucky to play one of two games each week - even that on reputation now, it seems. Nesta will also break down if pushed, and Ronaldo is unlikely to go a month without a muscular injury. God forbid Kaka picks up an injury, and we have a team that might actually struggle to fight off Fiorentina and finish in the top four.

Anyway, those are discussions for later. What Ancelotti - who will be the first to be scapegoated for this dramatic Italian fall - needs on the evening is one of those magical performances that we saw against Lazio. Who cares about the flaws? Who cares about the lethargy? One performance to keep the boat afloat for another week will do!

TEAM NEWS

Milan

For this crucial tie at home to Shakhtar, Milan will be without the services of suspended goalkeeper Dida, for his antics in Scotland three weeks ago. He will be replaced by Australian Zeljko Kalac between the posts.

Giuseppe Favalli should slot in nicely at left back, in place of the injured Marek Jankulovski, whilst Kakha Kaladze will play in the centre alongside Alessanrdo Nesta, as influential captain Paolo Maldini is being rested for this contest. If these aren’t enough for Ancelotti to deal with, he may be without the services of his main man Kaká, who is struggling with a knee problem.

Possible Starting XI (4-2-3-1): Kalac; Favalli, Kaladze, Nesta, Oddo; Ambrosini, Pirlo; Gattuso; Seedorf, Kaká (Gilardino); Inzaghi

Shakhtar

The away side have no injuries or suspensions to worry about for this fixture, and thus have a full strength squad to select from. Former Livorno striker Cristiano Lucarelli returns to Italy for the first time since his departure to his new Ukranian side, and will be looking to impress on his home soil.

Lucescu will be hoping for a repeat of the good form that saw his side defeat Benfica away on match day two, however he remains optimistic of his side’s chances.

Possible Starting XI (4-3-1-2): Pyatov; Srna, Chygrynskiy, Kucher, Rat; Ilsinho; Lewandowski, Fernandinho; Jadson; Brandao, Lucarelli

PLAYERS TO WATCH

Milan – Andrea Pirlo

Pirlo, along with Kaká, is definitely the player to watch for the Ukrainian outfit. His composure and ability to create something from nothing, time and time again, makes him a worry for all opponents. Expect Lucescu to play a marker on Pirlo, as if Kaká fails to play, and Pirlo is closed down, the away side will have a great chance. Pirlo is a dead ball specialist, so the Shakhtar back four will be extremely cautious not to give away any fouls in dangerous areas.

Shakhtar – Cristiano Lucarelli

The former Livorno hit man has had a somewhat inconsistent start to life in Ukraine, though not poor by any means. He returns to his home land this week with a chance to prove his worth once again. He did manage to score on the first matchday of the Champions League, in his side’s comfortable 2-0 victory over Celtic, and this will provide him with the confidence he needs to perform well at San Siro against AC Milan.

PREDICTION

Both sides will be in search for all three points, as for Shakhtar, a win in Milan could practically assure them of qualification, something that will be an amazing effort considering they finished last in their group last term. For Milan, although their domestic form has been poor, they seem to always perform in Europe when required, and I believe they will do so once again, if only to further postpone the impending doom. The home team to win, but by the smallest of margins.

Milan 1-0 Shakhtar


The preview speaks very highly of Mircea Lucescu . What type of game does he play? Is it good to watch?
Rossoneri7
^^^

It should be a good match .. Open spaces and all, too bad if Kaka' can't play. But I think this type of team, Milan can win against, given the right mentality and conviction wink.gif
misha
Shakhtar is not a team, like weak Italian teams, that closing spaces. They have many technikal players and it will be easier for us to play with them. But, of course, we shouldn't understimate them. Shakhtar started the season very well, both in Ukraine and in europe.
Tennie
Goal.com's English-language writers (and those who translate from Italian) aren't exactly known to be pro-Milan. They'll generally pick up the most negative thing they can from an article/interview and run with it.

Lucescu was the Brescia coach once upon a time, in the 1990s. (Back when - I think - Baggio and a very young Andrea Pirlo were there).
dst
We need to win this one or we'll get ourselves into serious trouble!

Can't wait! smile.gif
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