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Danny
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 23 2019, 08:13 PM) *
So I read Biglia got injured. What a shocker.

Next I read Giampaolo will try Hakan as regista in Biglia's place. That's great. Hakan regista, Suso TQ, Castillejo SS... what could go wrong, huh?


Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Equally, we're a midtable side so what harm is there in trying something completely left field?
Danny
QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 23 2019, 07:48 PM) *
Signed up for BEIN sports. So ready for this season!!


This team will wipe that optimisically smug smile off your face inside 10 minutes of the match...
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2019, 01:17 AM) *
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Equally, we're a midtable side so what harm is there in trying something completely left field?

We're not a midtable side, we ended up 5th but the current decisionmaking will bring us back midtable.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 23 2019, 02:25 PM) *
Probable line-up for tomorrow:

Mediaset: Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Bennacer, Kessie, Calhanoglu; Suso; Castillejo, Piatek.

Gazzetta: Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Calhanoglu, Borini, Paqueta; Suso; Castillejo, Piatek.

The Gazzetta one is the most worrying and it's probably the one we'll use

Borini... FFS this guy should not be starting, and in midfield no less. He was half decent in pre-season there but it does not mean he should be starting a Serie A game

Giampaolo said that he'll play those who he's trained more for now, but Kessie has been with this team for 2 years and should be starting ahead of Borini in midfield no matter what

Also, Castillejo is another bad decision, I'd rather Andrea Silva for crying out loud than him as a supposed SS. He's too lightweight to beof any kind of use in that position and has proven in pre season that he cannot really pull it off.

Honestly, I'm getting worried that this management will do no better than the previous ones, the only really good transfer we've made in Benaccer imo, the rest are shots in the dark. Especially Leao, who we spent 30m on when we're desperate to get an SS and have left Correa for the final days, if we even manage to get him. Same with the treq position, why oh why have we left the position up to Suso? They hired a coach who plays a specific system and have not brought in the players he needs to play that system

unless something big happens this last week in the market, this is going to be another painful season for us


QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 23 2019, 11:17 PM) *
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Equally, we're a midtable side so what harm is there in trying something completely left field?

We're a side with high ambitions but have so far made mid-table moves. I honeslty don't understand why they keep talking about getting back to where we were when the know the finances won't allow it. It just gives the fans false hope. I'd rather the management just be straight with everyone saying: "Look, major mistakes have been done in the past at this club, and it will take time to correct those mistakes, there's FFP breathing down our necks and we can't invest the sums that need to be invested to get back to where this club once was"

I'd rather that then this nonsense we get fed every summer only to be left disappointed once again. The fact that we couldn't get a top coach should have said it all to begin with really
X-Offender
What a mess of a line-up. So, we spend 65M and everyone's on the bench. Just great.
han2503
We'll see, sky have Bennacer and Leao starting

My main problem is not with them not starting, they are both new to the team and the coach, but Kessie and Paqueta should be starting especially when their alternatives are Hakan and Borini(!)
X-Offender
Actually, Sky have the same line-up as Mediaset on their website, just checked.

My main problem with that line-up is the too many players out of position in midfield. I mean, Hakan as DM and Borini as RCM? Sure, they’re ahead of guys like Bennacer and Kessie in terms of preparation with the team, but that’s no justification. Both the latter played the Africa Cup, so it’s not like they’ve been slacking for three months straight.

Also, Castillejo ahead of Leao who’s been with the team for a month now. Another brain fart from Giampaolo.
Danny
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2019, 12:19 AM) *
We're not a midtable side, we ended up 5th but the current decisionmaking will bring us back midtable.


We spent most of the season hovering between 10-5 - that's midtable.

If I'm generous we're upper midtable.
Danny
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2019, 09:14 AM) *
We're a side with high ambitions but have so far made mid-table moves. I honeslty don't understand why they keep talking about getting back to where we were when the know the finances won't allow it. It just gives the fans false hope. I'd rather the management just be straight with everyone saying: "Look, major mistakes have been done in the past at this club, and it will take time to correct those mistakes, there's FFP breathing down our necks and we can't invest the sums that need to be invested to get back to where this club once was"

I'd rather that then this nonsense we get fed every summer only to be left disappointed once again. The fact that we couldn't get a top coach should have said it all to begin with really


Yeah we don't have the cash and we don't have the lure any more. But you're right - the club still acts to perpetuate the myth of us being a big club.
William405
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2019, 01:18 AM) *
This team will wipe that optimisically smug smile off your face inside 10 minutes of the match...


Oh no! I hope not ahah. At least, I will get to support my team.
William405
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2019, 02:19 AM) *
We're not a midtable side, we ended up 5th but the current decisionmaking will bring us back midtable.


Yes, we were 1 point from 4th, and 2 (?) from being 3rd place. I wouldn't call that midtable.
William405
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2019, 03:09 PM) *
We spent most of the season hovering between 10-5 - that's midtable.

If I'm generous we're upper midtable.


It only matters where we finish, Danny.
X-Offender
We were 3rd at the end of the first half of last season's last game.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2019, 12:17 PM) *
Actually, Sky have the same line-up as Mediaset on their website, just checked.

My main problem with that line-up is the too many players out of position in midfield. I mean, Hakan as DM and Borini as RCM? Sure, they’re ahead of guys like Bennacer and Kessie in terms of preparation with the team, but that’s no justification. Both the latter played the Africa Cup, so it’s not like they’ve been slacking for three months straight.

Also, Castillejo ahead of Leao who’s been with the team for a month now. Another brain fart from Giampaolo.

Hmm, don't know who's line-up it was then.

And agreed with all your points, I get that Giampaolo knows the players who have been with him from day 1 of pre season more and would feel more comfortable with them, but Kessie and Paqueta have been playing with this team long enough, especially Kessie, there is no excuse to start Borini and Hakan over them in the midfield.

Borini I feel like is a major mystery, I know he probably works his @ss off in training so the coaches all like him, but he's a seriously limited player and should not be anywhere near close to the starting 11 especially in areas which require some technical ability

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2019, 01:11 PM) *
Yeah we don't have the cash and we don't have the lure any more. But you're right - the club still acts to perpetuate the myth of us being a big club.

This exactly

I'd rather everyone be straight with us so we know where we stand rather then spending an entire summer in torment hoping for something to happen that never will

QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 24 2019, 03:51 PM) *
Oh no! I hope not ahah. At least, I will get to support my team.

At least we'll probably be more interesting to watch than we have been in a good long while this season, so there's that, but atm, I don't feel like we have enough to get that 4th spot

QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 24 2019, 03:51 PM) *
Yes, we were 1 point from 4th, and 2 (?) from being 3rd place. I wouldn't call that midtable.

In the end we didn't make it, simply because we didn't have players who have the quality and consistency to get us over that finish line, and imo we still don't
Danny
Sempre Milan reckons the XI will be filled with last season's players. No new signings at all:

Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Borini, Calhanoglu, Paquetà; Suso; Piatek, Castillejo.
CrazyMilanFan
Here we go then.. Forza Milan
X-Offender
So, we're playing like sh*t...
X-Offender
Castillejo and Calhanoglu are completely out of it. Might as well be playing with 9 players.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 06:28 PM) *
So, we're playing like sh*t...

Its seems that we are playing black and white from Turin
CrazyMilanFan
Castillejo is a very average winger and we are playing him out of position.

RR should have played a clown in the recent dumbo movie.

Borini just runs up and down. I think kessie is a better player/option than him.

CrazyMilanFan
All 3 mids on yellow
CrazyMilanFan
That is outside the box
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 05:31 PM) *
Castillejo and Calhanoglu are completely out of it. Might as well be playing with 9 players.

Borini and Calabria have been nightmares as well. Basically our entire right side is DOA

This looks bad for us, I know we're not playing our best side, but we just look like we're trying to force something that's never going to happen, especially with the players currently occupying the pitch

Playing Samu as a striker is ridiculous, he's too lightweight and gets pushed around, Silva should be playing instead, no matter the current situation with him.

Same with Hakan, he's struggling in a position I don't think he's ever played

And Borini is just being Borini
CrazyMilanFan
Piantek i think was in our box more defending corners rather their in Udinese box. No wonder he is mot scoring
CrazyMilanFan
What a poor first 45 mins of the season.
X-Offender
We're lacking in everything. The only players who are doing something are Paqueta and Suso. Everyone else is out of it.

Borini is just running like a headless chicken.

Calhanoglu seems lazy and disinterested.

Castillejo, sans a good moment, is not adding anything in attack.

And Piatek, man he's so sluggish and rusty. Even a simple ball control looks awkward on him.
Fillipo Simone
Nothing unexpected really.

Next we should bring in Krunić and all will be fine...

On a more serious note, I suppose Kessie is benched because we want him to leave for Monaco, yes?

If Giampaolo continues with this system and selection, he'll be gone till December if not sooner. With the kind of fixture schedule ahead of us, I can't see him survive enough for these idiot players to even grasp his ideas.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 07:58 PM) *
We're lacking in everything. The only players who are doing something are Paqueta and Suso. Everyone else is out of it.

Borini is just running like a headless chicken.

Calhanoglu seems lazy and disinterested.

Castillejo, sans a good moment, is not adding anything in attack.

And Piatek, man he's so sluggish and rusty. Even a simple ball control looks awkward on him.

But don't worry X-O, you said it to me... we have Leao and Borini as backups. We can even shift Suso to replace Castillejo. And we also have the fantastic Empoli duo, they're surely game changers.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2019, 06:01 PM) *
But don't worry X-O, you said it to me... we have Leao and Borini as backups. We can even shift Suso to replace Castillejo. And we also have the fantastic Empoli duo, they're surely game changers.


What's that got to do with the game?
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 08:07 PM) *
What's that got to do with the game?

We don't have options. We have a gameplan and a strategy completely unsuited for the level of (footballing) intelligence, technique and overall quality our team has.
CrazyMilanFan
To be honest playing with theae players in new system is biggest error.

We will get a red soon
han2503
Suso has also been bad

han2503
Hakan has no grasp of how to play the position he's been put in. He needs to be shifted ASAP

What is becoming clear is that this squad has a looong way to go

And the very obviously far more complicated system Giampaolo has them playing is making them look even more inept compared to how they looked under Rino
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2019, 06:09 PM) *
We don't have options. We have a gameplan and a strategy completely unsuited for the level of (footballing) intelligence, technique and overall quality our team has.


We're playing with Hakan as DM, Borini as CM and Castillejo as FW FFS! All our options are on the bench.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 25 2019, 06:25 PM) *
Suso has also been bad


If Suso has been bad then I don't know what to call the rest.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 06:27 PM) *
We're playing with Hakan as DM, Borini as CM and Castillejo as FW FFS! All our options are on the bench.



If Suso has been bad then I don't know what to call the rest.

Pretty much terrible
CrazyMilanFan
1-0 Udinese well deserved
han2503
Deserved really

we've been an absolute mess
X-Offender
Yep, not much else to say. Shameful performance.
CrazyMilanFan
Should have been 2 0
X-Offender
How can you keep Calhanoglu and sub Paqueta instead? Oh, Giampaolo...
CrazyMilanFan
Good decision last thing we needed was a controversial var pk
han2503
We labour and labour and can't even get in their penalty area and they cut us through with 2 passes

This is really bad stuff. I wasn't expecting anything great really, but this is beyond
han2503
What a shitshow that was
CrazyMilanFan
So our first 3 fixtures were the easy ones..

If we change the system and dont even play the suited players then this is bound to happen.

Fillipo Simone
No one wants to comment on Piatek and his disgraceful dive following by even more disgraceful acting? And all this in the VAR age?
X-Offender
I can't fathom Rodriguez and Calhanoglu anymore. Yes, everyone was terrible, but if there are two players who embody the sh*t we've become, it's these two. Lazy, sluggish, clueless and completely demotivated.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2019, 07:01 PM) *
No one wants to comment on Piatek and his disgraceful dive following by even more disgraceful acting? And all this in the VAR age?


Oh yeah, that was absurd. I felt ashamed for him.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2019, 08:01 PM) *
No one wants to comment on Piatek and his disgraceful dive following by even more disgraceful acting? And all this in the VAR age?

Yes very bad from him. Should have been booked as well
Fillipo Simone
As for Milan - or should I say AC Empoli, a terrible performance. But what's there to expect? Terrible management, followed by a poor coach and a limited roster filled with the wrong decisions and wrong components.

For the last time... last season Gattuso's simplistic style of play made it abundantly clear what Milan's strong and weak sides are. Now tell me this: we decided to "upgrade" our team with a new coach and new philosophy, while adding little to none (yes, Leao, Duarte, Krunić and Bennacer are not much for me).

Then our coach decides to turn pretty much all positive aspects of last season upside-down and makes players like Suso, Hakan, etc. look terrible. Meanwhile Ricky Massara says the Correa story has been blown out of proportions by the media which means we gave up. Boban and Maldini, players I admire, but managerial amateurs, lead Milan out of Europe in order to have "more freedom" with FPP and decide to splash money on a 4th left back and a kid striker who scored less then 10 goals at Lille.

Just like last season, we start with a pile of "junk players" that are basically useless. But last season those players were Mauri, Bertolacci, etc - players virtually impossible to sell. This season we have Strinić, Biglia, Kessie, Castillejo, etc. Plusvalenza or not, by keeping them and not adding up experience is just solidifying our downfall.

And by experienced players by no means do I mean Ronaldo. I mean good or very good players who would probably sign for us. Look at Fiorentina - just one summer and everyone is talking about a "project". Is anyone talking about a Milan project? I don't think so. AC Empoli

The final ten minutes of this game tell you everything. The good old Suso jumped at the first sign of trouble back to right wing, Piatek vanished, Pirloğlu got lost in his dreams. Good moves Giampa. Everything Gattuso learned us you managed to reset and made us even worse. Great decision making. AC Empoli
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 09:04 PM) *
I can't fathom Rodriguez and Calhanoglu anymore. Yes, everyone was terrible, but if there are two players who embody the sh*t we've become, it's these two. Lazy, sluggish, clueless and completely demotivated.

Again, I told you so. I watched Hakan for HSV and for Lever. He's lethargic, dreamy, sluggish and virtually incontrollable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not obsessed with the "I told you so" moments, it's just that I feel very frustrated with the way Milan is being handled and also I notice you guys tend to believe only what you see/experience. Same happened with a bunch of other players.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 09:05 PM) *
Oh yeah, that was absurd. I felt ashamed for him.

Really ashamed. Can you remember the famous Gilardino dive, what was it, Celtic? And we whined and whined. But this is so much worse. Really disgraceful.
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