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il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 10 2009, 04:21 PM

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Only Silvio Berlusconi Can Solve Milan Crisis - Gianni Rivera
The coach is not the one to blame for the Rossoneri's current problems, claims one of their all-time legends...

Milan and Italy luminary Gianni Rivera has sought to shift the blame from under-fire coach Leonardo, as he believes that there is little that the rookie tactician can do to change the downturn in the clubs' fortunes.

"I could never imagine such a difficult situation as this," Rivera mused in an interview with Sportsera.

"Leonardo is doing what he can with the squad at his disposal."

Instead, Rivera insisted that owner Silvio Berlusconi had to act fast if he wanted to halt the Rossoneri's free-fall and steer them back towards the top of the league.

"Who can be the man to turn them around? Berlusconi.

"He can do anything if he wants to, so it all depends on him - he can make a great team or he can continue making choices that don't satisfy the fans," concluded Rivera.

The Rossoneri are seven points off the top of the Serie A table after seven games and there are rumours that Klaas-Jan Huntelaar will be axed in January in favour of either Adriano or Roman Pavlyuchenko.

Anthony Wright, Goal.com

Tennie

Oct 10 2009, 04:57 PM

Gosh. Goal.com actually translated that more or less accurately. It's bound to happen from time to time, I guess.

Interesting comment, given the source. Gianni Rivera does NOT get along with Berlu, not in the slightest.

Jack Sparrow

Oct 10 2009, 05:03 PM

Yeah...I was thinking the same thing. Is Sacchi still cold with Berlu?

I_Rossoneri

Oct 10 2009, 09:56 PM

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"He can do anything if he wants to, so it all depends on him - he can make a great team or he can continue making choices that don't satisfy the fans," concluded Rivera.

I love this comment

It seems more and more people are starting to talk out about our supposed 'great' management.

Zed.D

Oct 11 2009, 09:51 AM

Only Money Can Save Milan.

Jack Sparrow

Oct 11 2009, 10:30 AM

Money and wisdom. We have a management that's over 20 years been used to cheque book style functioning. It must be difficult to suddenly live with a low budget and still act sensibly.

Zed.D

Oct 11 2009, 01:05 PM

Are you saying that money made Milan great not necessarily Berlu and Galliani's wisdom?

ganney

Oct 11 2009, 01:25 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 11 2009, 01:05 PM)

Are you saying that money made Milan great not necessarily Berlu and Galliani's wisdom?

guess he means recently their wisdom has failed us far too much so money without their input or suggestions is the only way forward, else we'll sign only sign more washed up stars next season

Jack Sparrow

Oct 11 2009, 01:45 PM

No..actually what I meant to say was once upon a time, we were one of the best at spending large amounts of money, and spending it well.

And I was saying that the same combination of money and wisdom needs to be here again. The money can only come from Silvio. The wisdom has been here for some time, but I think it only works with money, not on it's own.

The transfers we've made over the years, the really big ones were not really based on a shrewd eye for talent or hard bargaining skills. We paid the standard price, but our relationship with the selling clubs and our prestige made it a easy sell.
For instance buying Rui Costa from Viola or Nesta from Lazio.

That's where Galliani and co. made the difference. Ensuring that Milan were always seen as 'honourable'. When we were winning it's a good sobriquet to have, but now it seems naive. But even now, we will be hard pressed to find any club that has ill feelings towards Milan. They can blame us coz a deal didn't go through, but not that we screwed them over.

dst

Oct 11 2009, 02:32 PM

You're not making up for your hi-jacking with these long posts, you could have just said "we know how to wisely spend big money, but we can't handle working with little".

I_Rossoneri

Oct 11 2009, 04:36 PM

Had we invested wiselya few years ago we wouldn't need to invest so heavily now. Every club needs to sign one or two good players a year to keep the team competitive, but we were to told "we are fine as we are". Because of this ignorant attitude we have ended up in the situation we are in.

One also has to question the wisdom of buying players like LOliveira who was a total panic buy and never worked out for us. It was a similar story this season when we went all out for Dzeko yet ended up with Huntelaar as he was slightly cheaper. Last time I checked Dzeko has scored five goals this season while Huntelaar is yet to score!!!!

Jack Sparrow

Oct 11 2009, 05:09 PM

Well we know the financial terms of the Huntelaar deal were immensely favourable to Milan. It wasn't the same as was offered to Schalke(?)/Stuttgart(?). But the point is, I don't think there was enough tactical planning from our side to use the players we did have properly.

I'll grant that we're not Scudetto material, but this team is easily good enough for top 4.

il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 11 2009, 05:23 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 11 2009, 12:09 PM)

Well we know the financial terms of the Huntelaar deal were immensely favourable to Milan. It wasn't the same as was offered to Schalke(?)/Stuttgart(?). But the point is, I don't think there was enough tactical planning from our side to use the players we did have properly.

I'll grant that we're not Scudetto material, but this team is easily good enough for top 4.

if we had better tactics, sure, if we had a system, sure. Leo was never going to make an impact with a team without an identity, had he stepped in for a more organized team he may have suceeded though.

I_Rossoneri

Oct 11 2009, 06:39 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 11 2009, 05:09 PM)

Well we know the financial terms of the Huntelaar deal were immensely favourable to Milan. It wasn't the same as was offered to Schalke(?)/Stuttgart(?). But the point is, I don't think there was enough tactical planning from our side to use the players we did have properly.

I'll grant that we're not Scudetto material, but this team is easily good enough for top 4.

I think you're missing my point Jack, what I'm saying is that we'd done our homework on Dzeko and even came out and said he was our no.1 target. Yet when Stuttgart requested what I feel to be a fair price for him, galliani panicked and tried to find a cheaper option, hence Huntelaar. Now had we done our homework on Huntelaar instead, then I feel he would have had a better start than he is currently having. IMO Huntelaar isn't a bad player, but I feel our tactics don't suit his game as much as they would with Dzeko.

I feel we could break into the top 4 but for that to happen certain players really need to raise their games and earn their salaries.

LaPalma

Oct 11 2009, 07:30 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 11 2009, 06:09 PM)

Well we know the financial terms of the Huntelaar deal were immensely favourable to Milan. It wasn't the same as was offered to Schalke(?)/Stuttgart(?). But the point is, I don't think there was enough tactical planning from our side to use the players we did have properly.

I'll grant that we're not Scudetto material, but this team is easily good enough for top 4.

How do you know they offered more money than us?

kurtsimonw

Oct 11 2009, 08:15 PM

We need to get with the times. Playing with wingers is the norm nowadays and all sucessful teams play that way.. but we seem reluctant to for some reason. Play with width, it stretched the field and allows players in the middle more time. So we bring wingers in, Pirlo will benefit and the striker(s) will benefit. If we stick to the 4-3-2-1/4-3-1-2 then I just don't see us going anyhwhere.

Jack Sparrow

Oct 11 2009, 08:15 PM

QUOTE (LaPalma @ Oct 12 2009, 01:00 AM)

How do you know they offered more money than us?

It was in the press. 20 million offer rejected. Either by Madrid or by KJH not sure...

@dst: You're right on the button. What would I do without you?!!

I_Rossoneri

Oct 11 2009, 08:39 PM

QUOTE (LaPalma @ Oct 11 2009, 07:30 PM)

How do you know they offered more money than us?

They wanted €20+m while we were only willing to offer about €15m. He was Germanys player of the year last season so an offer of €15m is disgraceful IMO.

I_Rossoneri

Oct 11 2009, 08:43 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 11 2009, 08:15 PM)

We need to get with the times. Playing with wingers is the norm nowadays and all sucessful teams play that way.. but we seem reluctant to for some reason. Play with width, it stretched the field and allows players in the middle more time. So we bring wingers in, Pirlo will benefit and the striker(s) will benefit. If we stick to the 4-3-2-1/4-3-1-2 then I just don't see us going anyhwhere.

Our fullbacks are supposed to work the wings, most teams are now paying this way now.

LaPalma

Oct 11 2009, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Oct 11 2009, 09:39 PM)

They wanted €20+m while we were only willing to offer about €15m. He was Germanys player of the year last season so an offer of €15m is disgraceful IMO.

Are we talking about Hunter or Dzeko? Anyway, none of them was Germanies player of the year. That was Grafite.

il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 11 2009, 09:49 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 11 2009, 03:15 PM)

We need to get with the times. Playing with wingers is the norm nowadays and all sucessful teams play that way.. but we seem reluctant to for some reason. Play with width, it stretched the field and allows players in the middle more time. So we bring wingers in, Pirlo will benefit and the striker(s) will benefit. If we stick to the 4-3-2-1/4-3-1-2 then I just don't see us going anyhwhere.

i can only dream of having foggia/pato as wingers

wit KJH in the middle

ganney

Oct 11 2009, 11:44 PM

we need a shock big money signing... like ribery

il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 12 2009, 12:49 AM

QUOTE (ganney @ Oct 11 2009, 06:44 PM)

we need a shock big money signing... like ribery

OMG would that be perfect

, as long as our "big name player" isn't called luca toni i'm happy

I_Rossoneri

Oct 13 2009, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (LaPalma @ Oct 11 2009, 09:48 PM)

Are we talking about Hunter or Dzeko? Anyway, none of them was Germanies player of the year. That was Grafite.

Dzeko. I thought I read he was Germany's player of the year? He scored something like 32 goals IIRC.

Tennie

Oct 13 2009, 09:24 PM

His teammate scored 34.

I_Rossoneri

Oct 13 2009, 10:05 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 13 2009, 09:24 PM)

His teammate scored 34.

Ahh right, we should go for both then?

Habitant

Oct 13 2009, 10:34 PM

"Only Silvio can Save Milan... by selling Her"

il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 14 2009, 05:32 AM

QUOTE (Habitant @ Oct 13 2009, 05:34 PM)

"Only Silvio can Save Milan... by selling Her"

i think we've become more of an "it" recently, in all fairness.

MizNelson

Oct 14 2009, 09:55 AM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Oct 13 2009, 09:32 PM)

i think we've become more of an "it" recently, in all fairness.

Add two more letters and you're on the money.

il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 14 2009, 01:55 PM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Oct 14 2009, 04:55 AM)

Add two more letters and you're on the money.

hahahahaha

well said

Bluesummers

Oct 15 2009, 08:29 PM

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Milan president Silvio Berlusconi has dismissed reports he is considering selling the club after a disappointing start to the 2009-10 season.

"Nobody has ever suggested Milan is for sale, this news has never been introduced by our means of communication," he was quoted as saying by Datasport.

The Italian politician went on to deny there were any contracts in place with potential buyers from the United Arab Emirates.

Italy's final World Cup qualifiers - a draw with Ireland on Saturday and a win against Cyprus on Wednesday - were marked by former Milan player Alberto Gilardino scoring four times for the Azzurri.

Berlusconi made a small joke regarding the player, who was unable to settle in at the San Siro.

"I was wrong when I bought him and now I made a mistake when I sold him," he laughed.

"This is how things go now, when I buy it is a mistake and when I sell it is an error, just like with [Yoann] Gourcuff."

Berlusconi has been at the helm of the club since 1986, winning several trophies, including five European Cup or UEFA Champions League titles.

our almighty leader opens his mouth again

Jack Sparrow

Oct 16 2009, 06:31 AM

Well actually the above statement is not as infantile as 'We are the best team in the world!'. I think a President is within his rights to make such statements.

LaPalma

Oct 16 2009, 03:38 PM

QUOTE (ganney @ Oct 12 2009, 12:44 AM)

we need a shock big money signing... like ribery

Everyone but not Ribery...he's so arrogant and cheap.

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Oct 13 2009, 10:20 PM)

Dzeko. I thought I read he was Germany's player of the year? He scored something like 32 goals IIRC.

He "only" scored 26 Bundesliga goals, Grafite scored 28 in 25 matches. So, he was slightly better.

il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 16 2009, 07:27 PM

QUOTE (LaPalma @ Oct 16 2009, 10:38 AM)

Everyone but not Ribery...he's so arrogant and cheap.

so...in other words.... he's french

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He "only" scored 26 Bundesliga goals, Grafite scored 28 in 25 matches. So, he was slightly better.

grafite dosn't get the attention because he's on the wrong side of 30

dst

Oct 16 2009, 08:48 PM

He's Brazilian too and they're all underrated.

vnata001

Oct 16 2009, 11:18 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Oct 16 2009, 12:48 PM)

He's Brazilian too and they're all underrated.

il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 17 2009, 07:07 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Oct 16 2009, 03:48 PM)

He's Brazilian too and they're all underrated.

well underrated?, yes
unnoticed?, no
if we don't pounce on dzeko he will go to Man Utd, mark my words they would take either him or fabiano

MizNelson

Oct 19 2009, 09:52 AM

I think dst was being sarcastic.

Dzeko

Oct 19 2009, 12:32 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Oct 17 2009, 08:07 AM)

well underrated?, yes
unnoticed?, no
if we don't pounce on dzeko he will go to Man Utd, mark my words they would take either him or fabiano

Um Juventus is on Dzeko tail they want him as Trezegeut replacement IT'S REALLY SAD, i have to say that Edin Dzeko is far better player then Fabiano, he scored nine goals and made 5 asists for Bosnia in Qualification and onlly Gekas from Greek scored more goals. There is list of bigest talents that Uefa made :

Holger Badstuber (20 godina, Bayern)
David De Gea (18, Atlético Madrid)
Alan Dzagoev (19, CSKA Moskva)
Eyal Golasa (18, Maccabi Haifa)
Emiliano Insúa (20, Liverpool)
Stevan Jovetić (19, Fiorentina)
İsmail Köybaşı (20, Beşiktaş)
Eliaquim Mangala (18, Standard Liège)
Thomas Müller (20, Bayern)
Miralem Pjanić (19, Olympique Lyonnais)

I wouldn't mind if we sign some of this players...

Regards
Damir

il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 19 2009, 02:50 PM

QUOTE (Dzeko @ Oct 19 2009, 07:32 AM)

Um Juventus is on Dzeko tail they want him as Trezegeut replacement IT'S REALLY SAD, i have to say that Edin Dzeko is far better player then Fabiano, he scored nine goals and made 5 asists for Bosnia in Qualification and onlly Gekas from Greek scored more goals. There is list of bigest talents that Uefa made :

Holger Badstuber (20 godina, Bayern)
David De Gea (18, Atlético Madrid)
Alan Dzagoev (19, CSKA Moskva)
Eyal Golasa (18, Maccabi Haifa)
Emiliano Insúa (20, Liverpool)
Stevan Jovetić (19, Fiorentina)
İsmail Köybaşı (20, Beşiktaş)
Eliaquim Mangala (18, Standard Liège)
Thomas Müller (20, Bayern)
Miralem Pjanić (19, Olympique Lyonnais)

I wouldn't mind if we sign some of this players...

Regards
Damir

jovetic/pjanic/dzagoev/muller would be good

, but sadly i don't see us signing any of these

kurtsimonw

Oct 19 2009, 04:54 PM

Insua is terrible, he'll never make the grade at the highest level.

il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 19 2009, 05:12 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 19 2009, 11:54 AM)

Insua is terrible, he'll never make the grade at the highest level.

Liverpool as a whole is pretty shitty, if often wondered if they would ever win a game without Torres/Gerrard

kurtsimonw

Oct 19 2009, 05:17 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Oct 19 2009, 05:12 PM)

Liverpool as a whole is pretty shitty, if often wondered if they would ever win a game without Torres/Gerrard

Based on Saturdays showing, no. The rest of their team is really poor, I still can't believe some consider Mascherano a World class DM.

Thankfully, given his birth country, he'll never play here.

dst

Oct 19 2009, 05:40 PM

Mascherano is a great player in my view but he wants out... and it's showing... what about Johnson, don't you like him? I have not watched much of him but I hear he's good.

kurtsimonw

Oct 19 2009, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Oct 19 2009, 05:40 PM)

Mascherano is a great player in my view but he wants out... and it's showing... what about Johnson, don't you like him? I have not watched much of him but I hear he's good.

Johnson would be World class in a 5-3-2 formation. He gets forward well and can defend okay, but there's too much defensive responsibility in a 4-4-2 and he's defensive ability isn't good enough for a high level team. It's worrying that he starts for England. Against the poor teams it's fine, but when we come up against great teams, it shows.

il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 19 2009, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 19 2009, 01:06 PM)

Johnson would be World class in a 5-3-2 formation. He gets forward well and can defend okay, but there's too much defensive responsibility in a 4-4-2 and he's defensive ability isn't good enough for a high level team. It's worrying that he starts for England. Against the poor teams it's fine, but when we come up against great teams, it shows.

i have never played/seen a 5-3-2 formation ever

kurtsimonw

Oct 19 2009, 10:25 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Oct 19 2009, 07:41 PM)

i have never played/seen a 5-3-2 formation ever

Really? Villa and England used to use it alot during the mid-90s. Maybe it's an English thing.

ganney

Oct 20 2009, 02:25 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Oct 19 2009, 07:41 PM)

i have never played/seen a 5-3-2 formation ever

milan used the formation in a league game few seasons back.

serginho-maldini-stam-nesta-cafu

the wing backs spent the better part of the game attacking

il_diavolo_mtl

Oct 20 2009, 03:22 PM

QUOTE (ganney @ Oct 20 2009, 09:25 AM)

milan used the formation in a league game few seasons back.

serginho-maldini-stam-nesta-cafu

the wing backs spent the better part of the game attacking

can't say i knew that, it just seams to me that the outside 2 in a 5-3-2 would be flankers, no?

Habitant

Oct 20 2009, 04:02 PM

yeah it was after istanbul, carlos new suprise tatctic when we needed goals, was to go 3 at the back. so it more like a 3-5-2 or 3-4-1-2.

but we all know formation names and structures are subjective.

like italy's 4-3-3 is more like a 4-5-1 with too lumbering forwards on the wing... while it would look great on counters if those two wide forwards had pace, when they dont you just get a congested midfield.