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Tennie
So, there's been a LOT of speculation recently about the future of Carlo Ancelotti. So, what do you think? Will he go? If so, where? Will players and staff follow him? Who will replace him?
Zed.D
Wow, what a complicated poll biggrin.gif

I want to see a new coach but I think he will remain one more season, at least (and if he does well, he will probably get his contract extended for about three years!)
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(Is it alright to discuss Ancelotti's future here?)

What the hell is this? unsure.gif

http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/artico...colo23389.shtml

I don't believe it.
dst
Right now, I think he'll go. To Chelsea. I would not be surprised to see him in Roma though.

I don't think Tassotti will follow him and surely I can't see any of our players doing so.

Rijkaard is probably going to be his successor. I'd like Gasperini but he does not have a Milan past so our board probably don't even consider him.
Tennie
Discuss all you want! That's what the space is for. smile.gif

The article linked above is the Italian translation of a Sun article stating that Ancelotti will announce his farewell tomorrow if Milan beat Udinese. They seem sure he's going to Chelsea.

(with Rizzoli as ref, I'm not particularly hopeful about the game; he always favors the home team and is not a very good ref.)
Zed.D
QUOTE (dst @ May 15 2009, 02:55 PM) *
I'd like Gasperini but he does not have a Milan past so our board probably don't even consider him.


Me too!

My preferred order would be this: 1. Rijkaard, 2. Spalletti, 3. Mvb and Gasperini

But I have this feeling that Carlo is going nowhere.
Jack Sparrow
I thought this might be relevant. I can't believe I haven't noticed this site before.

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A Call for Rational Thought…

It is safe to say than in the past few days my frustrations have mounted. It all started with the brash claim of Silvio Berlusconi stating that this season’s failures were on the shoulders of Ancelotti. Now I am fully aware of the fact that in heated moments I too have called for Carletto’s head, but when the owner opens his mouth and not his checkbook, doesn’t this blame gain have an air of lunacy to it? Sure the esteemed opened his checkbook, but for what, Shevchenko and Ronaldinho!? Have these players aided Carletto in his quest for a trophy? Has their purchase made the task of the coach any easier!? Arguable Carletto’s job has been muddled because now he has to deal with the never ending saga of Ronaldinho playing or not playing. Couple this weekly distraction with the notion of keeping Kaka happy while Ronaldinho is on the field, and suddenly standing in Carletto’s shoes seems a lot more of a nightmare than many of us want to make it out be.

The biggest complaint sent the way of Ancelotti has been his tactics. Even the wise old Silvio claims that Milan should be utilizing players who like the ball at their feet. Well first of all if Silvio knew for a moment what he was talking about he would clearly see that the majority of Milan games this season employed players who like the ball at their feet with likes of Clarence, Kaka, Pato, and Ronaldinho featuring. Add the wingback roles of Zambro, Janks, and wing presence of Beckham and puzzlingly you wonder what on Earth could Berlusconi have meant? He meant play my prized Ronaldinho you fool! But lacked the balls to really tell his coach what he felt.

Tactics aside, my biggest concern stemming from the dismissal of Carletto is the void left, which may be impossible to overcome. In 1996 Milan parted ways with the great Don Fabio Cappello who was on his way to Madrid. Fabio of great success, much akin to Carletto, left Milan in the incompetent hands of Oscar Tabarez, a Berlusconi favorite, and usher of the darkest days of Berlusconi Milan history. Not until we welcomed Zaccheroni did we taste success again, and not until Carletto did we experience any form of stability, such that had been missing since Sacchi and Cappello were on the bench. So while many of you call for VanBasten, Leonardo, Rijkaard and others let it be known that these coaches, save Rijkaard to some extent, lack the pedigree and winning mentality that has made Carletto so valuable. Many of you claim a player must be seasoned and tested to earn his time on the pitch yet you quickly are willing to hand the reins of the club to Leonardo who has never coached a day in his life!!? Have we lost our minds!? Of course we haven’t because in the next sentence we are willing to try VanBasten because his failure with Ajax in the Dutch first league which is analogous to Serie B at the moment, is certainly the type of coach I want at the helm.

My call now is not defend Carletto until the last dying minute, but my call is for rationality and an end to this ridiculous notion that an Owner is not to blame for his coaches’ shortcomings, especially when that Owner has a direct charge in the oversight of the club. My call is patience and respect to a Coach that has delivered far more than many in his place, but above all is my call for this horrible notion than any former player can just pick up and manage this Club whose legacy extends far beyond any Brazilian, Dutchmen, or even Italian…

Link



While I don't entirely agree with the way he's pointing fingers at Silvio, there are a lot of points I agree with here.
Zed.D
Not a bad article, I agree with some of what the writer says, but I found this part absolutely ridiculous:

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So while many of you call for VanBasten, Leonardo, Rijkaard and others let it be known that these coaches, save Rijkaard to some extent, lack the pedigree and winning mentality that has made Carletto so valuable. Many of you claim a player must be seasoned and tested to earn his time on the pitch yet you quickly are willing to hand the reins of the club to Leonardo who has never coached a day in his life!!? Have we lost our minds!?


Rijkaard to some extent? if it's about having pedigree and winning mentality, Carlo didn't really have either of those when he came to Milan any more than Rijkaard has right now. in fact Rijkaard is miles ahead, having won La Liga titles and a CL with a big club. I think the writer's point in entirely invalid.

And also, who ever said it had to be Leonardo? what does the writer mean by you. rolleyes.gif
Tennie
I agree with the point about Carletto's job being made more difficult when players are brought in that don't necessarily fit tactically or that are in because the owner (and not necessarily the coach) wants them in -- ie, Sheva and Ronaldinho.

As for coaches and experience, It's a cointoss in my opinion. Sure, a lot of folks would want someone with real experience in winning lots of titles (my fantasy choice here would be Capello). That said, a couple of Milan's very best coaches had very little coaching experience and no titles to their name when they came to Milan -- Capello and Sacchi. So...
Jack Sparrow
^^

And Carlo
dst
I stopped reading at Berlusconi "lacked the balls"... this guy can't be more than 15 years old and if he is he is clearly ignorant... if he only knew what has come out of Berlusconi's moth in the past... rolleyes.gif

I've made my opinion clear about how I think Ancelotti is responsible for losing us many points by playing Seedorf but another factor that in my opinion shows that injuries were not as important as the management make it seem is that from the 8 games we've played with the bottom 4 teams of the table we have only managed to get 15 points out of 24. No we don't need all of ours best players to beat these team. That's 9 points lost there. Inter's gap is 7 points...

In my opinion we lost the championship because of Carlo playing Seedorf and not being able to motivate the team. I have not seen a motivated Milan this season apart from a few games.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 15 2009, 03:25 PM) *
Not a bad article, I agree with some of what the writer says, but I found this part absolutely ridiculous:



Rijkaard to some extent? if it's about having pedigree and winning mentality, Carlo didn't really have either of those when he came to Milan any more than Rijkaard has right now. in fact Rijkaard is miles ahead, having won La Liga titles and a CL with a big club. I think the writer's point in entirely invalid.

And also, who ever said it had to be Leonardo? what does the writer mean by you. rolleyes.gif


Totally agree, before he came to us he was ridiculed by being called the nearly man. I still don't think he has a winners mentality as it seems to me his first thought in a game is not to lose. Rijkaard on the other hand did play attacking football and was successful.


QUOTE (dst @ May 15 2009, 03:51 PM) *
I stopped reading at Berlusconi "lacked the balls"... this guy can't be more than 15 years old and if he is he is clearly ignorant... if he only knew what has come out of Berlusconi's moth in the past... rolleyes.gif

I've made my opinion clear about how I think Ancelotti is responsible for losing us many points by playing Seedorf but another factor that in my opinion shows that injuries were not as important as the management make it seem is that from the 8 games we've played with the bottom 4 teams of the table we have only managed to get 15 points out of 24. No we don't need all of ours best players to beat these team. That's 9 points lost there. Inter's gap is 7 points...

In my opinion we lost the championship because of Carlo playing Seedorf and not being able to motivate the team. I have not seen a motivated Milan this season apart from a few games.


We lost the championship because carlo lacked the balls to be adventurous and attack. Why we persist with the outdated xmas tree is beyond me!?!? I mean we play a 'smaller' side and we line up with a back four, two dm's and only one forward!!!! While to some extent I do agree that we have had more than our fair share of injuries I still think we could and should have achieved far more with the squad we have, and that is down to one man.
Zed.D
QUOTE (dst @ May 15 2009, 06:21 PM) *
I've made my opinion clear about how I think Ancelotti is responsible for losing us many points by playing Seedorf but another factor that in my opinion shows that injuries were not as important as the management make it seem is that from the 8 games we've played with the bottom 4 teams of the table we have only managed to get 15 points out of 24. No we don't need all of ours best players to beat these team. That's 9 points lost there. Inter's gap is 7 points...

In my opinion we lost the championship because of Carlo playing Seedorf and not being able to motivate the team. I have not seen a motivated Milan this season apart from a few games.

Agreed.
It's not one man's mistakes though.

IMO:

Carlo
1. makes wrong decisions football-wise (they've been mentioned enough)
2. is not a charismatic coach. he cannot motivate the team, which is full of winners, when facing bottom table teams, against which we lost the title.
3. doesn't seem to get the players he wants. it looks more likely that he gets the players the management/Berlu want (I personally see that as a weak point. he's a yes-man)

Berlu
1. for being sentimental. I think it's clear for everyone who brought Sheva back and wasted nearly 20 million on Dinho.
2. for not investing in the club like he used to (but there's probably an economical reason )
kurtsimonw
Madrid.
I think a few fringe players will leave, but none of the main starters of long serving players will.
Rijkaard.
il_diavolo_mtl
I saw good coaching when i saw Chivo vs Inter. I think his name is Del canio or something, but he won the chess match against Mourinho with MUCH lesser players. His troops were focused and firing on all cylinders to beat inter.
He took the worst team in Serie and pretty much got them out of relegation single handedly, with the exact same players. Not to say that we need him, just saying that a Coach Doesn't have to be a liability (bad subs and such). We deserve Change, Rijkaard has my vote, though i guess the fool in me wishes we had a gritty bottom-side coach fire up our players.
6Best
Hmmm.......... , I think Carlo will stay at Milan for at least one more season ; maybe then he finally leaves to..................Chelsea ??? ( Lol @ nice restaurant laugh.gif ) . And I don't think any other player would follow him ( they don't need to go to a restaurant to get their food ) , although Chelsea I think , would like to have Kaka coming as well ; he would not leave . As for the future coach , Rijkaard is the likely one . wink.gif
I_Rossoneri
The sooner he leaves the better.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Channel4)
Ancelotti very close to Chelsea

Monday 18 May, 2009

Milan Coach Carlo Ancelotti will fly to London and make his move to Chelsea official on May 30, according to La Gazzetta dello Sport.

Ancelotti has been repeatedly linked with the Blues this spring and appears to have come to the end of his time with the Rossoneri.

Milan President Silvio Berlusconi criticised him in the Italian Press last week and Saturday's defeat away to Udinese hasn't helped his cause.

Ancelotti will apparently leave for Chelsea without his staff and take Ray Wilkins as his assistant at Stamford Bridge.

Ancelotti's chief assistants, Mauro Tassotti and Filippo Galli, will stay with Milan, as will Villiam Vecchi, although Carletto would like him at Stamford Bridge.

That appears unlikely, though, as Chelsea already have a Goalkeeper Coach in Christophe Lollichon.

Milan are reportedly unwilling to announce the decision until after next week when they hope to have secured the second Champions League spot.

Chelsea also want to postpone the announcement until after the FA Cup Final they are due to contest with Everton.

There will be no official presentation, only an exclusive interview with Chelsea TV, according to La Gazzetta.

The Blues are said to be keen to keep Ancelotti away from the English Press, who crucified Luiz Felipe Scolari for his eccentric use of English.

Ancelotti is the second longest serving trainer in the history of Milan after the great Nereo Rocco. He has been with the Rossoneri for seven and a half years.
Tennie
I finally found the text of the Gazzetta article (it's not on the Gazzetta website, but it's reprinted on milannews). The translation above is mostly accurate except for the first paragraph. Chelsea has stated they want to make the announcement on the 30th after the end of the English season, but May 30 is the day before the last match day in the Italian calendar -- and I don't see a coach, even one changing jobs, flying to London the day before Milan-Fiorentina.
Zed.D
Thanks for all the updates!

I still think Rijkaaard would be a better choice, even though MvB looks more serious and charismatic to me. I certainly wouldn't complain if either came. biggrin.gif
6Best
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 18 2009, 06:55 PM) *
Thanks for all the updates!

I still think Rijkaaard would be a better choice, even though MvB looks more serious and charismatic to me. I certainly wouldn't complain if either came. biggrin.gif


Well , anything but Carlo .
MizNelson
My first choice continues to be Rijkaard. The only thing I like about MvB is that he and Seedork are oil and water.
Zed.D
QUOTE (6Best @ May 18 2009, 05:13 PM) *
Well , anything but Carlo .

Yup. I think Carlo outstayed his welcome but what's done is done. we can change things now however. why wait for another season to find out what we've already did: he's one of the greats but his time is up.

QUOTE (MizNelson @ May 18 2009, 08:25 PM) *
My first choice continues to be Rijkaard. The only thing I like about MvB is that he and Seedork are oil and water.

I wouldn't worry about Seedorf cause the way he's been playing for some time now, he won't make it to any coach's XI, except Carlo's. and if he were to raise his game, good for both us and him!
Zed.D
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Mauro Tassotti: I Am Ready To Take Charge Of Milan

The former defender has put his name forward to take over from Ancelotti at the San Siro.

As speculation mounts over the future of Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti, his right-hand man Mauro Tassotti has admitted he feels ready to make the step up.
Ancelotti is widely expected to head for the exit door at the end of the Serie A season, with Chelsea and Real Madrid both possible destinations. The Italian press are convinced the club’s directors will once again plump for a former Rossonero as his replacement.

“Should I get the nod to coach Milan, I would gladly accept it,” Tassotti told Telelombardia. “I would be very happy and I feel ready.”

Tassotti played over 400 games for Milan after joining from Lazio in 1980 and retired from football in 1997 at the age of 37.

But Dutch legend Marco van Basten is also allegedly in the frame and the rumour mill went into overdrive yesterday as the ex-Dutch international was spotted having dinner with the Rossoneri hierarchy on Sunday.

Filippo Galli was also there and explained that the former striker was indeed quizzed over his availability.

“Something was said about the possibility of him coaching Milan,” confessed Galli.

“But we mostly discussed his experience at Ajax and he revealed there have been no contacts with Milan.”

Van Basten quit as Ajax coach earlier this month after a disappointing season in the Eredivisie.


Ah, please!! rolleyes.gif
I_Rossoneri
Roma pip Chelsea to Carlo?

Chelsea could lose Carlo Ancelotti, as Roma’s potential new owners want him on the bench with Emmanuel Adebayor upfront.

Ancelotti has always stated his dream is to one day Coach the Giallorossi and that wish could be about to come true.

“Roma is the one side where I could potentially go to in the future,” he said earlier this season.

“Considering my past experience, Roma is the only club in Italy aside from Milan where I could work. Either that or to go abroad.”

The tactician spent much of his playing career in Rome from 1979 to 1987, wearing the captain’s armband and winning the 1983 Scudetto along with four Coppa Italia trophies.

He is expected to leave Milan for Chelsea at the end of the season, but a radical new theory is opening up at the Olimpico.

Roma have officially announced that they received “interest” from a conglomerate represented by Vinicio Fioranelli, which is based in Switzerland but in reality has its roots in the oil-rich Arab nations.

They are eager to buy out President Rosella Sensi and invest heavily in the club, starting from a top class Coach like Ancelotti.

It is also reported in the Italian newspapers that their first transfer target is Arsenal hitman Adebayor.

This is a further clue, as Ancelotti wanted Adebayor during the summer at Milan and was allegedly dismayed when the club signed Ronaldinho instead.

Channel 4

Let him go to Roma and take the overrated Adebayawn with him cool.gif
Fillipo Simone
Now is the perfect time for Ancelotti to take over at Roma. Maybe some player will follow him there, I'm thinking of Jankulovski, maybe even Crespo? Anyway, if that happens...why not stick with Tassotti?
Zed.D
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 20 2009, 05:27 PM) *
Now is the perfect time for Ancelotti to take over at Roma.


Who are you and what have you done to Fillipo? ohmy.gif
dst
Because like all assistant coaches he's a 'soft' guy and maybe even closer to the players than Ancelotti. I personally don't like that.
MizNelson
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the rumour mill went into overdrive yesterday as the ex-Dutch international was spotted having dinner with the Rossoneri hierarchy on Sunday.

I find this hilarious. They could've met at a gas station and the media would still go bananas.
Tennie
Well, given that it was a restaurant co-owned by Tassotti and Donadoni and Galliani, Tassotti, and Galli were there, people are going to speculate. smile.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rino Gattuso)
What do you think about the voices regarding Kaká and Carlo Ancelotti?

"I am sure Kaká will stay. Regarding the coach, one day it seems I have understood everything and the next day I change my mind. I think it's right that it will be talked about at the end of the season. If the coach leaves, they will still have been wonderful years. Hope is the last to die, however: the team is with him, he has been our coach for many years and a special relationship has been created. It will be up to the club and the coach to come to an agreement and I hope they will. Otherwise we will open a new cycle without forgetting that Milan will have to start winning again."

Yet another hint that Carlo may leave...
Tennie
Soundbyte from Galliani this morning:

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"Non c'è nessuna confusione su chi sarà il tecnico della prossima stagione - ha detto l'amministratore delegato della società -. Adesso l'allenatore è Ancelotti e io so già chi sarà quello del prossimo anno. Adesso però dobbiamo pensare a conquistare matematicamente la qualificazione alla prossima Champions League, una volta centrato l'obiettivo parlerò e dirò il nome".


['There's no confusion about who the coach will be next season,' the administrative delegate said. 'Right now the coach is Ancelotti and I already know who the coach will be next year. Right now we need to think about mathematically securing Champions League qualification, once that's done I'll speak the name.']
Zed.D
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Right now we need to think about mathematically securing Champions League qualification, once that's done I'll speak the name


So.. he could tell the name Sunday or Monday? something tells me it starts with a C dry.gif


QUOTE
Galliani: No chaos at Milan

Thursday 21 May, 2009

Adriano Galliani insists there's no chaos at Milan and will clarify the Rossoneri's future direction once they secure a Champions League place.

Coach Carlo Ancelotti has been widely linked with Premier League giants Chelsea.

There could be sweeping changes in the summer as superstar Kaka has also been tipped to join Real Madrid.

“There is no chaos and Milan,” Galliani stated. “We have very clear ideas that we will communicate as soon as we secure a Champions League berth.

“Decisions are always shared between myself and Silvio Berlusconi. We are in perfect harmony and I hope to show that with our announcement on Monday.

“We absolutely have to beat Roma and then we can be calm against Fiorentina where we would otherwise have to draw or win.”

Galliani then gave the latest on Kaka and French midfielder Yoann Gourcuff.

“Florentino Perez is a great friend and we have often spoken during the three years that he hasn't been Real Madrid President. Any move for Kaka would have to come through me.

“Gourcuff has become a star. Bordeaux have the chance to sign him before May 31, but he is still our player. I hope that Yoann stays.”


Can't wait!
Fillipo Simone
This means, IMO, Milan will have a new coach. And it's quite sure MvB. Gosh, that would be the end...
il_diavolo_mtl
MVB does look like the probable way to go, seing as he knows the administration very well. But can someone tell me what formation he likes to play, what brand of football he encourages?
Bluesummers
no idea. He made huntelaar great, thats all i know.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ May 22 2009, 12:24 AM) *
MVB does look like the probable way to go, seing as he knows the administration very well. But can someone tell me what formation he likes to play, what brand of football he encourages?

From times to time 3-4-3, then again also a 4-5-1 (with off. wingers) or even 4-2-4 (with wingers). He's then one who sends a striker in for a midfielder or winger after his team takes advantage.

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no idea. He made huntelaar great, thats all i know.

Can you elaborate? I think Huntelaar was good for many seasons at PSV and Ajax in prior to MvB's time there or as NT.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 22 2009, 02:42 AM) *
This means, IMO, Milan will have a new coach. And it's quite sure MvB. Gosh, that would be the end...


Why the end? I think one disappointing season and a new one is brought in. someone has to exist out there that can handle it!

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I really don't know what to think, as much as everything indicates that Carlo is leaving, deep down I feel in the end a last minute change of heart will happen and he'll stay, just like what happened with Kaka in January.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 22 2009, 12:35 AM) *
Can you elaborate? I think Huntelaar was good for many seasons at PSV and Ajax in prior to MvB's time there or as NT.


Huntelaar was good before mvb, however it was mvb who turned him from a promising talent to one of the most sought after strikers. That is why Madrid signed him in January before anyone else could.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 22 2009, 01:20 AM) *
Why the end? I think one disappointing season and a new one is brought in. someone has to exist out there that can handle it!

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I really don't know what to think, as much as everything indicates that Carlo is leaving, deep down I feel in the end a last minute change of heart will happen and he'll stay, just like what happened with Kaka in January.

I hope your wrong. We need change badly. But we'll know in 3 days if we defeat roma tomorrow.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ May 22 2009, 01:33 PM) *
I hope your wrong. We need change badly. But we'll know in 3 days if we defeat roma tomorrow.

It's on Sunday! 2 days and 2 and a half hours remaining!
amancik
I don't know about you guys, but I think we're in for a shock. Bcuz, it might be the person we least expect i.e Leonardo.
Zed.D
QUOTE (amancik @ May 22 2009, 08:16 PM) *
I don't know about you guys, but I think we're in for a shock. Bcuz, it might be the person we least expect i.e Leonardo.

Leonardo wouldn't shock me because it's been speculated a lot that he could be the one (along with Galli and Tassotti). I'd be shocked if it was someone like Allegri or even Gasperini.
I_Rossoneri
I've heard rumours that carlo will stay. Hopefully they're just rumours wink.gif
Fillipo Simone
Many options ocurr. My opinion still is, Milan could do good with sticking beside Ancelotti, but a cautious planned change could also make a positive impact. It depends.

QUOTE
Why the end? I think one disappointing season and a new one is brought in. someone has to exist out there that can handle it!

The end because Marco van Basten is considered just because he's Marco van Basten. If his name would be Dico van Meelkan we've never ever mention him. He had a very average 4 years with Holland and a bad season with Ajax; his tacticall knowledge never impressed me, his man-handling is far from perfect. His temeper was a problem from times to times in his playing days, I'm scared to re-live those moments again this time with our head-coach.

Rijkaard, Tassotti, Galli - all better options.
kurtsimonw
I agree with Fillipo on this one, MvB has had a few years in management now.. he's not really done anything with it. Rijkaard for me.
Minami
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“Gourcuff has become a star. Bordeaux have the chance to sign him before May 31, but he is still our player. I hope that Yoann stays.”

Does he mean that Gourcuff should stay at Bordeaux.... huh.gif huh.gif
Hope he meant him to return to Milan.!
Cuore Rossonero
Carlo stays = No Gourcuff
Other manager = Yes Gourcuff
6Best
QUOTE (Cuore Rossonero @ May 26 2009, 09:29 PM) *
Carlo stays = No Gourcuff
Other manager = Yes Gourcuff


That's not even a dream now , sadly . Ancelotti seriously needs to go now........ ( lol , tired of hearing that ? biggrin.gif )
MizNelson
Some translated excerpts from Carlo's (undoubtedly ghostwritten) autobiography.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle6390917.ece

What do you think? Personally, I thought most of it came across as pretty arrogant and tacky, whenever it wasn't reading like something out of a cheesy gumshoe novel ("Suddenly, this bald man, who clearly had been watching me, emerges from the shadows. It was Adriano Galliani, Milan's chief executive. [...] I shuddered as I realised that the doorman must have been convinced I was Galliani's toyboy and we were having an incognito gay tryst.").

And the way Milan's last three CL finals were quickly skimmed over didn't help matters, assuming the excerpts therein were uncut.
TriniKing_CE
Good little read Miz, thanks for sharing... wink.gif
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