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so we are having a little rest before what tho?? some BIG signings..i hope so

why were these comments even necessary?

amazing

My guess is to try and take some of the pressure off Mr.Anchelotti and the players

It sure is. And to send a mild warning that his patience and understanding isn't infinitive.

+1

It's not like he's faultless for the state of the squad...

About the second part, I don't think so. You'd think it had run out after finishing fifth and crashing out of the CL early last season.

Weren't we openly saying that the Scudetto was our top priority at the start of the season? And now we're packing it in before the winter break. For cripes' sake, what kind of message does that convey?

Fact is, Berlu is becoming more complacent about running this team. With our trophy case stuffed to the gills, why should he lose any sleep over it nowadays?

He surely can't have faith in the coach/players. We're 9 points behind Inter, beating them head-to-head next spring means that's down to 6 points. Does he really not think we can make up 6 points over 20-some games?

So our objective officially changed to 'getting back into the CL'... great

Since we're a team that don't care about the league when we're participating in the CL, because the man in charge likes it more, I can't see us winning the league until we miss out on the CL again.

How easily we missed this golden chance to win the league... I can't believe it.

C'mon, it's friggin' DECEMBER. Anything can still happen, one injury to Zlatan and Inter will be in biig trouble.

Fishdoll belatedly +1 cookies to Locke for a cool sig. Gotta love the flying donkeys.

tell that to silvio, they way we sway back and forth with these so call objectives it just goes to show their content it putting up this masquerade.

i'm sure their just happy right now cuz beckham is coming which means more money.

Milan's actually in better financial shape than other italian clubs - even though that's not saying an awful lot. The clubs who finished ahead of Milan in the league all have significantly higher debt, for example, and in Italy debt isn't generally offset by things like owning the stadium. The one bright spot I see in Beckham's coming to Milan (and despite his admirable determination to represent his country, I don't know if there's really all that much footballing merit to it) is that he'll make the club some needed bucks.

yes and i dont oppose the benefits that are derived, because this a business and with the current ecomic condition )not just in italy but worldwide) we will have to be shrewd. but this doesnt change the fact they have deliver a winning team, to sell this product to the fans and changing our objectives with 2/3s of the season left for the 3 years running without that much concern doesnt exactly inspire confidence.

I think its been discussed in a previous thread (can't be bothered to try and find it) about now that Berlusconi is now P.M it wouldn't be prudent for him to be seen throwing millions of euros at his football club even tho he would love i'm sure...the Beckham factor will help for sure and i still think a winter mercato buy may well appear but i still see this as a little nudge towards Mr.Anchelotti saying time is running out unless you improve

+1. Or Cambiasso. I still haven't lost all hopes. Almost all, but not all.

There is nothing to improve. Ancelotti is a fine and dandy coach and tactician, provided he leaves his stubbornness and old habits out the door. Not to mention his favoritism and elitist attitude, which hurts Milan the club. Other than that, there is nothing to improve, he has experience, he's tasted victories and bitter defeats.

But I get your drift. And agree with it. I recall Mr. B giving Carlo till Christmas. And by golly, Christmas is here!

I agree mishie.

Don't see this season as a golden oppotunity. There be more of them. After finishing 5th, now swanking from 2nd to 4th isn't that bad. Let's wait up and see how we can reinforce our defense.

And don't forget, we really miss ou key defender here.

This way of thinking (relying on an opponent's injury to get back in the race) does not befit a big club!

I want to agree with you, Sim. But I'd hardly call this an improvement. All this could have been avoided if Carlo didn't insist on sticking to his stubborn tactics and motivated the team. Seriously, spending 100s of millions to get this team and finishing like this is no improvement. Before the start of the season, I really had high hopes for both titles, because I knew we could have won them.

There are lots of issues I can probably burst about (as being a fan and stakeholder I have every right too) but I'll keep it to this: All of this could have been avoided had management showed some guts to invest in younger, motivated players instead of had-beens, someone better (and more attacking) than Carlo was our coach, or we did not have so many injuries and/or out of form players. Any one of those going in our favor we could have still been a point or two ahead of inter. Particularly the Carlo part. You finish 4th and 5th with a team like Milan and you're still at the helm, means you're one lucky son of a gun. Sometimes I wish I was Carlo.

PS. I'm not bashing him, I respect what he's done for us, and maybe, just maybe there's time for some new tactics at the top. 7 years is a might good time. Mighty good time, I'd say. Thanks for the memories, coach, and see you some other time.

Exactly. Either we should accept we're not a big club, or stop making excuses befitting mid table teams. And I mean this like, seriously. From today. Everyone, whether they are Carlo, the support staff, the team, the fans, media, Galliani, shareholders, or Mr. B himself.

I mean not winning is one thing, showing a loser's attitude is completely another!

Yeah, this sounds like the kind of thing you say 1 month before giving your coach the dreaded vote of confidence.

@acid911: Don't worry, it's the 7 year itch we're going through. From next season we'll be fine...

Of course. especially since we'll be having a new coach and a couple of new faces.


So what? the title race in Spain is already over and it's froggin' December in Spain too!

Even Berlu's accepted the defeat, let alone me. I wasn't all that hopeful even when we were in the 1st place, or when we were behind Inter by 1 point. now we're 9 points behind and we're showing no sings of improvement - if anything we've been on a downward spiral for some time.

(And to those who keep saying that the break will do us a good and that we'll improve etc. etc., I still can't figure out why it won't have the same effect for the other teams...)

Well, I mostly agree. But I understand that there is no better man to do the job and that Milan likes to play it safe - and I'm all for it. I don't need adventures like Tabarez or Terim. I'm rather watching this kind of Milan then the one does two presented. And yes, Pablo Garcia, who we mentioned in another topic belongs to that period as well.

As I see it nothing will change when 3 players leave. It would be cildish to think that after Kaladze, Favalli or Emerson leave things will improve; why would they?

a) Because the named 3 players are finished and play badly -- maybe yes! The again, every team has such a player, in German Sündenbock, someone who's hated by the fans and makes mistakes every now and then. But Kaladze is the king of those players! It's better to have a Milan-acostumed veteran in mistakes then a rookie. And okay, Emerson and Favalli will go. But they won't be replaced with WC players, you know? They'll be replaced with crappy players who maybe will even play the same amount of time like does two now, but do even worse. This goes especially for Favalli. Who can change Favalli? Pancaro? Zanchi? Candela? Naaah... Favalli has experience and we need such a player. He has unique characteristics as well. Emerson? I don't understand the patological fixation on him, but I understand of course that he isn't indispencable or not replacable.

Because we will get more motivated players -- baah,... If we agree to say Milan players seem to have motuvation problems that cannot be solved or that seem to be permanent, we don't have to bother selling Favalli and Emerson, I never expected them to be our motivation engine, let's sell Seedorf, Pirlo, Kaka. IMO, and this will now sound bombastic, Kaka reached his peak anyway. That's why Ronaldinho is essential I belive. He is not killing Kaka. He's giving he a reason and the proper motivation to adapt and try find another career high. Without the Dinho challenge, what's there left? I've seen dozens of such challenges - like, can Del Piero and Totti play, can Mazzola and Rivera play, can Baggio and Zola play? Many failed in such challanges, some came up stronger then ever. Kaka isn't old, but he already did everything else? What can really be better then last season or the one before? Nothing. Except a pairing with Dinho. That's why I bless his signing.

It's just foolish to wait players leave and count that will make the situation better.


The coach is another question. We could have sacked Carlo many times. We did not. I respect that decision, and it is my intention to walk with him the whole path through, even if it takes me to nowhere and I end up deluded. I don't like leaving thins unfinished. I repeat, since we decided to stick with him, and no other realstic oppotunity simles at us now, I'm all for the coach.

Hee hee...you're officially my mouthpiece.

Well This statement is not helpful Don Silvi .... Your team can do it, u saw what milan look like against udinese

I believe those few words that he gave triggered Milan's performance against Udine

oh and welcome back

Thanx Man good to be back

Indeed, good to have you here with us. Btw, where have you been all the time?

Traveling alot and i just cant even watch milan games all of it just a couple of minutes

It's really hard to disagree with this article, especially since it was Berlu's shenanigans that jumpstarted the Kaka controversy. What do you think?

Agreed.

I'm very happy that Kaka stayed, and I personally don't believe a word that is printed on AS. But I can see Kaka moving on come this summer after this whole fiasco

I agree with everything he says except the Kaka part. As always the people at Channel 4 jump to conclusions... let's wait and see what happens in the summer.

+1

I know it won't be a bother to me once Kaka-leaving rumors come flying around again. I'm not going to believe anything until I see Kaka holding a Madrid jersey with my own eyes [not through AS's eyes ].

I personally think Kaka will play for us in the CL again. maybe at the end of 2009-2010 season he and the club think about the offers, but not before.

If we are in CL next year then I can't see Ricky wanting to leave.

I dont like this type of discussions , much of them come from those people who are desperate of Berlusconi initiatives.

Well...I have heard that Berlusconi is the closest Europe have to George Bush except with 10x brains and initiative. Is that true? Europeans?

No. I don't concurr. Berlusconi is intelligent and operational man. His approach to politics is direct and a kind of a "Realpolitik", with delinquent italian accents. While Bush did make a gap between reds and blues, republicans and democrats, Berlusconi's politicall achievment was that his gouvernment is the most stable and long-lasting one in modern Italy history.

Hah Ha Ha , for many years before GW Bush, the only one who Berlusconi admired and knew more than anyone else was Silvio Berlusconi !

did anyone hear what silvio said about ****/Italian women?

By The Associated Press
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ROME - Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is being criticized for suggesting that Italy's women are so beautiful they need military escorts to avoid being *****.

Berlusconi made the comments Sunday, responding to questions about a proposal to deploy 300,000 soldiers in the streets to fight crime.

A string of violent crimes, including a **** in Rome on New Year's Eve and another outside the capital this week, prompted the proposal for added security.

But Berlusconi said even with added police, such crimes can happen, and that Italy needs so many soldiers on the streets "because our women are so beautiful."

Opposition legislator Giovanna Melandri called Berlusconi's comments "profoundly offensive."

Berlusconi says he was just complimenting Italian women.

What a maroon.

i gotta agree with him that italian women are beautiful but the way in which he said it, pretty disturbing.

What's all the asterisks mean? I'm guessing he was referring to sexual violation...

I suppose he's not the smooth politician that Tony Blair is...but in general how is his government progressing? We had Italian members here no?

Yaaaaaaaawn! Same old, same old, with Mr. B. Always. No reason to be surprised or anything, those who know him, understand his nature. For a man who humped a security guard (in front of live TV), after he came out after a meeting with another leader, like he's the biggest gay around, impossible is nothing.

I know he was just joking at that time, you can watch it on Youtube if you want. But still.

He is like Bush, but only wealthier, wiser, and intentionally funny.

Every time people criticize him for making inappropriate statements he either says he was complementing someone, or joking.

In other words, colorful. I don't think he's half as funny as Bush, but the other points I agree on!

There is not anything common between 2

I don't hear much from Berlusconi, but what I do hear.. to be honest, he sounds like a complete **** to me.