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Warchant
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ROME (Reuters) - Conservative billionaire Silvio Berlusconi won a third term as Italy's prime minister on Monday with an unexpectedly strong mandate for reform, but warned of tough times ahead for a country facing deep economic problems.

Centre-left rival Walter Veltroni conceded defeat when early results from a two-day election showed the 71-year-old media magnate Berlusconi would control both houses of parliament.

This should enable him to push reforms through parliament, unlike his predecessor, but many Italians are disillusioned with politics and doubt any government can quickly cure the ills of the European's Union's fourth-largest economy.

"The months and years ahead will be difficult," Berlusconi told state television in a live phone call.

But referring to two issues that symbolize Italy's political and economic stagnation, he vowed: "We'll strive to resolve immediately the garbage crisis and Alitalia's problems."

Unions are blocking Air France-KLM's bid for the loss-making Italian airline and garbage piled up this year in the streets of Naples before being cleared for the election.

Berlusconi, who has vowed to cut taxes and rein in Italy's huge debt, had been widely expected to win a clear majority in the lower house but not in the Senate.

Pollsters' projections, based on partial results, gave Berlusconi a 99-seat majority in the 630-member lower house and an advantage of up to 30 seats in the Senate, which has 315 elected and seven lifetime senators.

That contrasts with the two-seat Senate majority that the last government had under Romano Prodi, who resigned in January just 20 months into his five-year term. Berlusconi had set his sights on a 20-seat majority in the Senate.

Veltroni, the 52-year-old former Rome mayor, called Berlusconi to "wish him luck." His Democratic Party performed solidly but Prodi's former hard-left allies were in danger of not winning a single seat.

POLITICAL WATERSHED

Berlusconi's pledges include liberalizing the economy as well as getting tough on crime, but critics say he failed to carry out pledges to revolutionize Italy when prime minister for seven months from April 1994 and from 2001-2006.

His far-right allies in the anti-immigrant Northern League made gains and their outspoken leader, Umberto Bossi, who often threatens to take up arms, will seek to influence the next government.

The election could mark a watershed in Italian politics, with a handful of parties winning seats rather than more than 20 in the last election. Christian Democratic chief Pierferdinando Casini said the next parliament may have only five parties.

Political analyst Roberto D'Alimonte said this would turn Italy into a "normal" European country, "with just two main parties accounting for over 70 percent of the vote."

Many Italians went to the polls to elect their 62nd government since World War Two gloomy about chronic political instability and an economy that has long lagged behind its main partners in the EU.

JP Morgan economist Silvia Pepino described Italy's economic problems as "very long-standing and deep-rooted and it's difficult to see any progress in the near term whatever the outcome of the election."

Economic growth is expected by the International Monetary Fund to slow to 0.3 percent this year and Italy's debt is the third highest in the world.

Berlusconi dominates Italian media through his business empire, Mediaset, Italy's largest private broadcaster, and is rated the country's third richest man by Forbes magazine.

(Additional reporting by Iain Rogers, Phil Stewart, Deepa Babington and Marie Louise Gumuchian in Milan; Editing by Timothy Heritage)

For more coverage of Italy's election, check out: http://blogs.reuters.com/italia/
fahad
now buy players for milan or give ur son a chance
Fillipo Simone
IMO this is bad news..this means even more Galliani and even less Silvio.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 14 2008, 09:41 PM)
IMO this is bad news..this means even more Galliani and even less Silvio.
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Last time he was elected (2001?) he spent £100m cool.gif

Let's hope history repeats itself devil.gif

FORZA DON SILVIO cool.gif
arivanjj
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Apr 15 2008, 08:03 AM)
Last time he was elected (2001?) he spent £100m cool.gif

Let's hope history repeats itself devil.gif

FORZA DON SILVIO cool.gif
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devil.gif devil.gif devil.gif


we shall see biggrin.gif
fahad
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 15 2008, 02:41 AM)
IMO this is bad news..this means even more Galliani and even less Silvio.
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Thats why i think his son should takeover milan work
Zed.D
[What Fillipo said...]
armiss
This means nothing as history will repeat !
dst
Now lower the taxes that have to do with football so we don't listen to Galliani's crap!
Zed.D
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 15 2008, 12:01 PM)
Now lower the taxes that have to do with football so we don't listen to Galliani's crap!
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+9863958394730495793065r935926402865293856902846520865

Quote of the week! 96.gif
Bluesummers
bad for italy and bad/good for milan is not defined yet.
LaPalma
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Apr 15 2008, 03:38 PM)
bad for italy and bad/good for milan is not defined yet.
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100% agreed.
nuh
i dont know why but i have a feeling that silvo ditched us
morgoth
This is a very bad new for Italy and Europe, and for those who think he's going to lower the taxes, well I think you guys should take a very close look at his political view!
Bluesummers
QUOTE (morgoth @ Apr 15 2008, 10:42 AM)
This is a very bad new for Italy and Europe, and for those who think he's going to lower the taxes, well I think you guys should take a very close look at his political view!
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true that.
dst
QUOTE (morgoth @ Apr 15 2008, 06:42 PM)
This is a very bad new for Italy and Europe, and for those who think he's going to lower the taxes, well I think you guys should take a very close look at his political view!
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Maybe he will make a special arrangement for footballers!?? huh.gif biggrin.gif
morgoth
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 15 2008, 06:32 PM)
Maybe he will make a special arrangement for footballers!?? huh.gif  biggrin.gif
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Yeah, he's got the nerve biggrin.gif
Fillipo Simone
Wait a minute,...

Some of you say it's bad for Italy...hmh. Why? After considering the fact that in 60 years Italy had about 60 gouvernments, and that Silvio's one was the first gouvernment in modern italian history (after WWII) that survived the full term I think this isn't just that bad. You know, the main topic in Italy isn't even polution, taxes or restrictions, you vote for the one you think can last, cause you're fed up.

So,..it's not that bad.

For Europe? It's a different story...he's a real thorn for all the pro-EU politicians. Also, his relations with my country were not that good, but still better then with that silly president called Napolitano.. innocent.gif
LaPalma
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 15 2008, 07:59 PM)
Wait a minute,...

Some of you say it's bad for Italy...hmh. Why? After considering the fact that in 60 years Italy had about 60 gouvernments, and that Silvio's one was the first gouvernment in modern italian history (after WWII) that survived the full term I think this isn't just that bad. You know, the main topic in Italy isn't even polution, taxes or restrictions, you vote for the one you think can last, cause you're fed up.

So,..it's not that bad.

For Europe? It's a different story...he's a real thorn for all the pro-EU politicians. Also, his relations with my country were not that good, but still better then with that silly president called Napolitano.. innocent.gif
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Sure....Prodi was a dissapointment too. But on anotehr topic I already tried to point out why he never had a real chance.
Anyway, I don't see any good in the mere fact that Silvios government is a solid one. That doesn't say anything about it's quality or intentions IMO. Silvio Berlusconi is a businessmann. That's everything he ever was and ever will be. The only reason for his politicial career is to benefit from it as businessman (in the upcoming years for example by cutting the rights of Italian justice.)
Tennie
(Er. Remember guys, we closed the politics thread.)
LaPalma
But you can't suppress the freedom of speech! wink.gif
Just kidding...I think me and Fillipo are professional who just want to discuss a little.
Tennie
Okay. But please, those who do wish to discuss, do so in a polite manner and remain respectful of the opinions of others. Or the fish doll will have to find something worse to do than what he did to Ari. smile.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Apr 15 2008, 08:10 PM)
But you can't suppress the freedom of speech! wink.gif
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laugh.gif

I thought we had a rebel on our hands then!
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 15 2008, 09:59 PM)
Wait a minute,...

Some of you say it's bad for Italy...hmh. Why? After considering the fact that in 60 years Italy had about 60 gouvernments, and that Silvio's one was the first gouvernment in modern italian history (after WWII) that survived the full term I think this isn't just that bad. You know, the main topic in Italy isn't even polution, taxes or restrictions, you vote for the one you think can last, cause you're fed up.

So,..it's not that bad.

For Europe? It's a different story...he's a real thorn for all the pro-EU politicians. Also, his relations with my country were not that good, but still better then with that silly president called Napolitano.. innocent.gif
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Hmmm ... Politics biggrin.gif


Well, from what I'm reading, Silvio isn't really the goody-good guy for which I usually like to think of him as. Then again he is a politician. ALL politicians have their goals, their benefit, and more importantly their beneficiary wink.gif

The feeling from Southern Italy (i.e. Sicily, Napoli, etc) is that they don't want Silvio ... They have already found it difficult to come by the first time around. They claim he has an agenda, one which is to turn Italy into a federal state, where as to dissect Italy in a way as to keep the rich areas on one side and the poorer (southern) in another. Moreover, he passes laws to benefit himself first and foremost.

All in all, this is politics .. It's dirty, it's degrading when your washed up in it and as much as you soak up in it, there is rarely anything you can do about it. So whether you see him as an angel or a villain, doesn't really matter seeing as he has won and there is nothing more to say.

p.s. Some Italians claim he had the charisma of Obama going into this term unsure.gif ... I'd like to say he has more hair going into this term
acid911
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 16 2008, 01:14 AM)
Okay. But please, those who do wish to discuss, do so in a polite manner and remain respectful of the opinions of others. Or the fish doll will have to find something worse to do than what he did to Ari.
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He electrocuted Ari too? ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif Poor little guy.
dst
I hear in Italy they wonder how can someone that failed in the role of the Prime Minister before be re-elected... laugh.gif they know nothing, we've been doing this here in Greece for 28 years!
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 16 2008, 12:25 AM)
I hear in Italy they wonder how can someone that failed in the role of the Prime Minister before be re-elected... laugh.gif they know nothing, we've been doing this here in Greece for 28 years!
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Sometimes I wonder if democracy is just over rated tongue.gif
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 15 2008, 11:29 PM)
Sometimes I wonder if democracy is just over rated tongue.gif
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It's ridiculous... how can a system that was applied thousands of years ago in a place with 30,000 slaves and as many more repressed women be considered the best for today's society? rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif dry.gif
Diavolo
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 15 2008, 07:59 PM)
Wait a minute,...

Some of you say it's bad for Italy...hmh. Why? After considering the fact that in 60 years Italy had about 60 gouvernments, and that Silvio's one was the first gouvernment in modern italian history (after WWII) that survived the full term I think this isn't just that bad. You know, the main topic in Italy isn't even polution, taxes or restrictions, you vote for the one you think can last, cause you're fed up.

So,..it's not that bad.

For Europe? It's a different story...he's a real thorn for all the pro-EU politicians. Also, his relations with my country were not that good, but still better then with that silly president called Napolitano.. innocent.gif
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Same here!
LaPalma
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 15 2008, 10:36 PM)
It's ridiculous... how can a system that was applied thousands of years ago in a place with 30,000 slaves and as many more repressed women be considered the best for today's society? rolleyes.gif  biggrin.gif dry.gif
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Because it's just like Wiston Churchill said :

"Democracy is the worst form of government - except for all those other forms, that have been tried from time to time."
morgoth
@Fillipo : Silvio is not the good guy for Italy because he's a liberal fascist, witch means more for the rich and less for the poor, this also leads privatization the public companies, to lose all the social aids, to the "relocation" of the companies and therefore the firing of the employees ... etc To sum it up, he'll look to make money no mater what and always favour the multinationals with new laws! you still think it's a good thing?

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 15 2008, 10:29 PM)
Sometimes I wonder if democracy is just over rated tongue.gif
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Democracy rimes with hypocrisy, it's an illusion for the people and a weapon for the government. There's no such thing as democracy, especially since the economic system stays always the same!

QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 15 2008, 09:14 PM)
Okay. But please, those who do wish to discuss, do so in a polite manner and remain respectful of the opinions of others. Or the fish doll will have to find something worse to do than what he did to Ari. smile.gif
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laugh.gif Don't worry, this is Italy we're talking about, there will probably be no problem wink.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (morgoth @ Apr 16 2008, 02:26 AM)
Democracy rimes with hypocrisy, it's an illusion for the people and a weapon for the government. There's no such thing as democracy, especially since the economic system stays always the same!
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hmmm ... if in the economic system you refer to capitalistic states, then yes. It's inevitable.

I think, the world has reached a point today, that the president of a sovereign state has minimal say and that the corporations rule instead; the president is just there, kinda like a figure head.


I guess this is the world we live in. This is what the world evolved into after the cold war.
arivanjj
QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 16 2008, 06:55 AM)
He electrocuted Ari too? ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif Poor little guy.
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currently seeking psychiatric help... cheerful.gif
morgoth
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 16 2008, 12:34 AM)
hmmm ... if in the economic system you refer to capitalistic states, then yes. It's inevitable.

I think, the world has reached a point today, that the president of a sovereign state has minimal say and that the corporations rule instead; the president is just there, kinda like a figure head.
I guess this is the world we live in. This is what the world evolved into after the cold war.
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Yep, but it must change devil.gif We all know where a world ruled by the multinationals will lead us to puke.gif ph34r.gif
Warchant
for all those that attack democracy...which other form of government would you throw out on the table as being successful for both its people and its country?

anything that is abused can be bad...that doesn't mean that the object being abused is inherintley bad.
Jack Sparrow
^^^

Benevolent dictatorship. It works in milanfan. It ought to work for the world.

MF is as diverse as they come. tongue.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 16 2008, 10:14 AM)
Benevolent dictatorship. It works in milanfan. It ought to work for the world.
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The world is a mess, Jack. MESS. It won't work out. sad.gif

QUOTE (arivanjj @ Apr 16 2008, 04:41 AM)
currently seeking psychiatric help...
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That's good to hear, Ari. Boy, that fishdoll sure is known for his innovative torture techniques: Piranhas, electrocution, throwing to the alligators, getting people to wrestle man-eating tigers, feeding them live snakes, you guess it. Good thing, Pola's good friends with the fishdoll. unsure.gif
LaPalma
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 16 2008, 12:34 AM)
hmmm ... if in the economic system you refer to capitalistic states, then yes. It's inevitable.

I think, the world has reached a point today, that the president of a sovereign state has minimal say and that the corporations rule instead; the president is just there, kinda like a figure head.
I guess this is the world we live in. This is what the world evolved into after the cold war.
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I generally agree with you on this. But I wouldn't be that harsh to say politics doesn't matter at all.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Apr 16 2008, 08:50 PM)
I generally agree with you on this. But I wouldn't be that harsh to say politics doesn't matter at all.
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Well, it matters ... It's just that we, the common people, cant comprehend how corrupt these systems are sad.gif

Oh well, this type of talk depresses me .. Seeing as my country is going through elections for parliament as we speak blink.gif
Jack Sparrow
^^^

Any womenfolk standing for the election?


Why don't you run for office? You have all the credentials(english-speaking, foreign-educated,economist), and it would be nice to have friends in high places! biggrin.gif


Well I don't know much about Berlusconi's regime, but don't underestimate stability. In India, we have 3 or 4 different coalition governments come up in quick succession(one of which lasted 13 days ohmy.gif) and corruption was just rife. And then the last two have lasted full terms, and the country has really taken off.

It's actually been a long time since, the educated youth looked upon the future with hope. biggrin.gif

Nobody wants to emigrate anymore. king.gif
Bluesummers
looks like the win is affecting us in a positive manner. Worldclass striker plus worldclass defenders he said will come. He doesnt usually lie like galliani does he? Well not as much thats forsure.
dst
Did Berlu had the help of a female pornstar in his campaign?
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 17 2008, 07:07 AM)
^^^

Any womenfolk standing for the election?
Why don't you run for office? You have all the credentials(english-speaking, foreign-educated,economist), and it would be nice to have friends in high places! biggrin.gif
Well I don't know much about Berlusconi's regime, but don't underestimate stability. In India, we have 3 or 4 different coalition governments come up in quick succession(one of which lasted 13 days ohmy.gif) and corruption was just rife. And then the last two have lasted full terms, and the country has really taken off.

It's actually been a long time since, the educated youth looked upon the future with hope. biggrin.gif

Nobody wants to emigrate anymore. king.gif
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Aseel Alawadi .. She's a professor, she taught in the states, I think in one of the southern states. But mamamia, she has a mmm well rounded tush !! Im giving her my 4 votes biggrin.gif
morgoth
QUOTE (Warchant @ Apr 16 2008, 04:59 AM)
for all those that attack democracy...which other form of government would you throw out on the table as being successful for both its people and its country?
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No one is attacking democracy, it's just that democracy is no more, people are being abused, they think their opinion count but it doesn't, therefore there is no democracy! I don't even talk about the opposition, the fact that the main media are owned by the politicians or their closest friends, the same goes for the multinationals and their influence on the politics, there no serious debate, people are hungry and dying (being killed suites more!) and we're talking about global warming, space satellites, mammal implants and the pope! A rightful government is the one that helps all the people not some of them (usually the richest!), unfortunately for our leaders most people life doesn't count as one, and their benefits are more precious!

QUOTE (Warchant @ Apr 16 2008, 04:59 AM)
anything that is abused can be bad...that doesn't mean that the object being abused is inherintley bad.
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I agree with that.
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