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dimival
The Milan managers have once again missed to bring a bright talent. After we missed Sobis last year, this time Lucas Leiva goes to Liverpool.
Is there any other explanation, beside the stupidity?! sad.gif
Portman
Sobis scored an important goal against FC Hype yesterday. biggrin.gif So it's good for him to be in Spain. (Thank god!)

About the other, I heard many good things about him. But Milan always go for 30's yo guys... the experience is what matters in this club.
m1ke
Who is Lucas Leiva? I haven't heard anything about this guy!
Portman
QUOTE (m1ke @ May 14 2007, 10:58 AM)
Who is Lucas Leiva? I haven't heard anything about this guy!
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Center-midfielder, captain of Brazil under-20 NT... who just signed for Liverpool.

Milan, Manchester United and some other clubs were on the run too.

dst
QUOTE (m1ke @ May 14 2007, 12:58 PM)
Who is Lucas Leiva? I haven't heard anything about this guy!
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rolleyes.gif

A blunder?? Yeah... I see your point, we're only in the CL final in our worst season since the late '90s...
kurtsimonw
Yeah, missing out on some guy that hasn't really proven himself is hardly a blunder.

I don't care if we buy old players, R9 and Oddo have proven great buys for the second half of the season, and they're both 30+
fresh_prince7
Yes it has worked so far the 'older' players we have we our team currently. But that has alot to do with these players being of extreme class.

I think if we were in the running for him, it might have been a blunder by us since he wasn't very expensive and is seen as the brazilian gerrard.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (fresh_prince7 @ May 14 2007, 01:40 PM)
Yes it has worked so far the 'older' players we have we our team currently. But that has alot to do with these players being of extreme class.

I think if we were in the running for him, it might have been a blunder by us since he wasn't very expensive and is seen as the brazilian gerrard.
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There's only one Gerrard, there will only ever be one Gerrard. He is unique. smile.gif
dst
The Brazilian Gerrard? Oh, so that means he's twice over-rated!! rolleyes.gif
dimival
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 14 2007, 04:33 PM)
Yeah, missing out on some guy that hasn't really proven himself is hardly a blunder.

I don't care if we buy old players, R9 and Oddo have proven great buys for the second half of the season, and they're both 30+
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Yes, but tomorrow (next season) R9 and Oddo will be injured most of the time and Milan must buy new 30+.
This was a perfect time to get young players in support of the 30+ experience players.
Currently, we have only Gourcuff. Alas.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (dst @ May 14 2007, 01:58 PM)
The Brazilian Gerrard? Oh, so that means he's twice over-rated!!  rolleyes.gif
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Over-rated? huh.gif

If anything he is under-rated, he's one of the best in the world, Liverpool are average at best, should be finishing 6th or 7th every year. Gerrard is the difference maker, he puts them into the CL every year.
Portman
Gerrard's English best center-midfielder... by far.
fresh_prince7
I'm with dst.. he's over-rated.

Don't get me wrong he's a very good player, besides his shooting ability he's just an average holding midfielder. What gets him all his accolades is his leadership qualities, they are tremendous and what gives liverpool that extra drive.

As far as pezzini goes.. that was just a comment I saw about being the brazilian gerrard. He's suppose to have immense talent and he was realtively cheap, just like milan like.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (fresh_prince7 @ May 14 2007, 02:06 PM)
I'm with dst.. he's over-rated.

Don't get me wrong he's a very good player, besides his shooting ability he's just an average holding midfielder. What gets him all his accolades is his leadership qualities, they are tremendous and what gives liverpool that extra drive.

As far as pezzini goes.. that was just a comment I saw about being the brazilian gerrard. He's suppose to have immense talent and he was realtively cheap, just like milan like.
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AHH!

Gerrard a holding midfielder? I wish, that's why he and Lampard struggle to play for England together, because they both love to get forward. The last thing he does is hold, he did early in his career, but not anymore.
fresh_prince7
Well when I say a holding midfielder.. I mean he controls it from CM.

He's a million times better than lampard but that again who isn't as well as obviously the best english midfielder.

Well kurt what do you think is major attributes are..

Oh yeh just watching a video from soccerpulse on pezzini.. looks alright, has a decent shot on him.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (fresh_prince7 @ May 14 2007, 02:47 PM)
Well when I say a holding midfielder.. I mean he controls it from CM.

He's a million times better than lampard but that again who isn't as well as obviously the best english midfielder.

Well kurt what do you think is major attributes are..

Oh yeh just watching a video from soccerpulse on pezzini.. looks alright, has a decent shot on him.
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What do I think Lampards major attributes are?

He has great power in his shot, can be a great passer (When he passes), great finisher for one-on-one situations. Very good at set peices too.
fresh_prince7
Not lampard tongue.gif. He's a bum.

Your idol gerrard. tongue.gif
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 14 2007, 05:00 PM)
Over-rated?  huh.gif

If anything he is under-rated, he's one of the best in the world, Liverpool are average at best, should be finishing 6th or 7th every year. Gerrard is the difference maker, he puts them into the CL every year.
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Like prince said, I don't think he's such a good player. I mean, he's good but not that good. He's Liverpool's heart but clearly (to me) not their best player!
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (fresh_prince7 @ May 14 2007, 03:34 PM)
Not lampard tongue.gif. He's a bum.

Your idol gerrard. tongue.gif
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Oohhh. Well, to be honest, I hate Gerrard, he's not my idol. I hate everything Liverpoo, I'm sick of them over here.

Gerrard has pretty much everything. He can scores all sorts of goals, left foot, right foot, head. From anywhere, free-kicks, penalties, inside the box and more notably from about 25 yards.

He puts his heart into every performance, gets back when he's needed and can tackle very well for an attacking player. He's got great vision and can hit 40 yard passes with precision.

With all that said, I hope he has an awful game in 9 days time. biggrin.gif
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ May 14 2007, 04:49 PM)
Like prince said, I don't think he's such a good player. I mean, he's good but not that good. He's Liverpool's heart but clearly (to me) not their best player!
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Reina, Alonso, Gerrard, Riise and Kewell when in-form are the best from their side IMO.
KillerMax
QUOTE (Porty @ May 14 2007, 10:39 AM)
Reina, Alonso, Gerrard, Riise and Kewell when in-form are the best from their side IMO.
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Kewell? Really? rolleyes.gif Kewell at his best is an average player. He is never consistent and doesn't really know where he wants to play. Kewell to me = a lost cause.
Portman
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ May 14 2007, 06:08 PM)
Kewell? Really? rolleyes.gif Kewell at his best is an average player. He is never consistent and doesn't really know where he wants to play. Kewell to me = a lost cause.
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Being serious?
For me Kewell in-form is one of the best left-wingers in the world. Injury prone though... rolleyes.gif

I really like him.
KillerMax
QUOTE (Porty @ May 14 2007, 11:26 AM)
Being serious?
For me Kewell in-form is one of the best left-wingers in the world. Injury prone though...  rolleyes.gif

I really like him.
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I respect that. But to me, he is not even near being one of the best in the World. When was the last time he made an impact on the big scene? Has he ever won any credible individual awards? I promise you that not many in the World share your opinion about him. Most people don't even know/ care about him. That's not someone I would call one of the best in the World.
Portman
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ May 14 2007, 06:32 PM)
I respect that. But to me, he is not even near being one of the best in the World. When was the last time he made an impact on the big scene? Has he ever won any credible individual awards? I promise you that not many in the World share your opinion about him. Most people don't even know/ care about him. That's not someone I would call one of the best in the World.
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Well... some people say Kaladze is a good defender too. wink.gif
KillerMax
QUOTE (Porty @ May 14 2007, 11:38 AM)
Well... some people say Kaladze is a good defender too.  wink.gif
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I believe not many people share that opinion either. I certainly don't. (That Kaladze is a good defender) wink.gif
misha
Kewell is mediocre+ player. Nothing special IMO
dst
QUOTE (Porty @ May 14 2007, 07:39 PM)
Reina, Alonso, Gerrard, Riise and Kewell when in-form are the best from their side IMO.
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Kewell and Riise are nothing more than the ordinary IMO...
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dimival @ May 14 2007, 05:00 PM)
Yes, but tomorrow (next season) R9 and Oddo will be injured most of the time and Milan must buy new 30+.
This was a perfect time to get young players in support of the 30+ experience players.
Currently, we have only Gourcuff. Alas.
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I would look at the Milan - Manchester game again wink.gif

It shows exactly why an older squad is better than an younger squad smile.gif

Besides, Milan has always maintained the team. This is not the first transfer season nor the last that Milan will pass up all the hyped up players. If AC Milan sees that it needs to improve an area on the pitch, then they will go to find the best in that area. This is because the team is protagonists and have already built a team.

Why go for youth players, who have no place in the first team ?! huh.gif Honestly now, looking at our first team, would u bench any other our players ?! These are the players that used their experience to take Milan from the gutters to glory in a season filled with controversies.

Had Arsenal been in our shoes, they would be relegated by now wink.gif


I believe Milan is always going to be strong. The club is the 3rd richest in the world and is only getting better. The managment have proven over these 20 years that the are the best in negotiating for players. They have always maintained a top tier team.

I don't see any reason why Milan should invest in younger players ...
arivanjj
QUOTE (Porty @ May 15 2007, 03:26 AM)
Being serious?
For me Kewell in-form is one of the best left-wingers in the world. Injury prone though...  rolleyes.gif

I really like him.
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smile.gif

he's one of my favorites
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (arivanjj @ May 14 2007, 09:15 PM)
smile.gif

he's one of my favorites
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Why does that not surprise me. tongue.gif
whoarethepatriots
There must have been a reason Braida and co didnt pursue, him maybe he didnt fit into the tactical system or maybe it was something else

Dont doubt the guys that bought Kaka and Gourcuff to us, we even bought Grimi so someone must rate him highly
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ May 15 2007, 01:08 AM)
There must have been a reason Braida and co didnt pursue, him maybe he didnt fit into the tactical system or maybe it was something else

Dont doubt the guys that bought Kaka and Gourcuff to us, we even bought Grimi so someone must rate him highly
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Exactly king.gif
redbabies
have you heard that some Bolton coaches were in Milan last summer to take lessons from our coaches and try to use some of our strategies, such as "Buying old players" and actually it worked for them too. They were till the end in the 5th place, and they finished 7th with 4 points less than Totenham in 5th place.

So, it's not a bad strategy at all, bringing experienced players biggrin.gif
misha
QUOTE (redbabies @ May 16 2007, 05:05 PM)
have you heard that some Bolton coaches were in Milan last summer to take lessons from our coaches and try to use some of our strategies, such as "Buying old players" and actually it worked for them too. They were till the end in the 5th place, and they finished 7th with 4 points less than Totenham in 5th place.

So, it's not a bad strategy at all, bringing experienced players biggrin.gif
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From what I heard , Bolton people wanted to embrace Milan lab methods
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (mishale @ May 16 2007, 05:12 PM)
From what I heard , Bolton people wanted to embrace Milan lab methods
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They may use the same tactics in the way of buying old players.

But their style of football doesn't deserve anything. They just do what Liverpool do in Europe, but at every chance they get.

Every time they get the ball, even in their own half, they just dump it into the area and play a long ball game. It's very boring and this probably makes them the worst support team that's made it into European football, even their own fans hate it!
redbabies
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 16 2007, 07:49 PM)
They may use the same tactics in the way of buying old players.

But their style of football doesn't deserve anything. They just do what Liverpool do in Europe, but at every chance they get.

Every time they get the ball, even in their own half, they just dump it into the area and play a long ball game. It's very boring and this probably makes them the worst support team that's made it into European football, even their own fans hate it!
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well, I didn't say that they play with the same strategy coz they have their coach who decides for that, but they took our strategy of buying old-players and learned how to train them in order to be fresh (they tried to copy Milan Lab as mentioned above)

after all, I mentioned them coz I was just trying to say that our "buy old-players" strategy is not that bad as people are making.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (redbabies @ May 17 2007, 01:39 AM)
well, I didn't say that they play with the same strategy coz they have their coach who decides for that, but they took our strategy of buying old-players and learned how to train them in order to be fresh (they tried to copy Milan Lab as mentioned above)

after all, I mentioned them coz I was just trying to say that our "buy old-players" strategy is not that bad as people are making.
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Milan don't buy these old players, just for the sake of it ... And Milan has 5 years of concrete evidence to prove it. Starting with this year devil.gif
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 14 2007, 03:59 PM)
I would look at the Milan - Manchester game again  wink.gif

It shows exactly why an older squad is better than an younger squad smile.gif

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just cuz it happened this time doesnt make it fact. yes an older team did out play man u but in the end the main reason why we won was cuz of kaka and kaka is young. so thats a reason why we should invest in youth. it's all about balance within a squad, of course arsenal cant win **** cuz half the team is young. so buying 1-2 young players isnt gonna kill us.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ May 17 2007, 03:59 AM)
just cuz it happened this time doesnt make it fact. yes an older team did out play man u but in the end the main reason why we won was cuz of kaka and kaka is young. so thats a reason why we should invest in youth. it's all about balance within a squad, of course arsenal cant win **** cuz half the team is young. so buying 1-2 young players isnt gonna kill us.
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Milan already bought '1-2 young players'; Gourcuff, Grimi, and Bonera wink.gif . But they had no chance to play in the decisive games. rolleyes.gif

Kaka is a special player, no player in the world can do what Kaka can do. No matter how many youth players ur gonna bring in, the chance of u getting another Kaka is .000000001% cool.gif

We beat United thanks to Kaka's special abilities to tear their defence open. But we reached the CL final this season, last season's semi final, the season before that's final, and in Manchester a final ... Because of the experience that Milan had in it's squad.

Some friends of mine, Arsenal fans once told me, they would trade Toure and Sendrous for Maldini. And this was last season, when he was always injured.

Point is, there is no replacing experience. A team that invests in youth players, is a team being built for future success. Milan is a team already built for success. There is a difference.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ May 17 2007, 12:59 AM)
just cuz it happened this time doesnt make it fact. yes an older team did out play man u but in the end the main reason why we won was cuz of kaka and kaka is young. so thats a reason why we should invest in youth. it's all about balance within a squad, of course arsenal cant win **** cuz half the team is young. so buying 1-2 young players isnt gonna kill us.
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I disagree with Kak'a being the reason we won.

Yes he was fantastic in both legs. But so were many others. Seedorf, Oddo, Gattuso, Pirlo and Ambrosini were all immense in the two games and without those perfromances it would have been a very different outcome. Those players I mentioned are hardly young, they made sure Carrick, Rooney and Ronaldo didn't get a sniff. Old age is an advantage sometimes.
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