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Warchant
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MILAN, Italy (AP) - Inter Milan owner and president Massimo Moratti and AC Milan vice president Adriano Galliani are reportedly being investigated for false bookkeeping.

The two are being investigated by Milan prosecutor Carlo Nocerino, Milan daily Corriere della Sera reported Wednesday.

Nocerino is looking at whether the teams overvalued player transactions by immediately recording capital gains but spreading out costs over a period of years.

The ANSA news agency said Wednesday that the investigation is almost finished.

The prosecutor could not be immediately reached Wednesday and his office declined comment on the report.

Both clubs declined to comment, but Corriere della Sera said that Milan had denied wrongdoing and Inter promised to present "technical arguments" to the investigation that will clear the club.

Prosecutors have previously investigated other club officials for false bookkeeping, including AS Roma and Lazio.

A massive scandal engulfed Italian soccer last year, resulting in Juventus' relegation to Serie B. Juve was also stripped of its last two Serie A titles, while Inter was awarded the 2005-06 Serie A title as the highest-ranked team not implicated in the scandal.

Milan was among four other clubs to start the season with points penalties.

Moratti was questioned in October amid allegations that his club requested the wiretaps that helped uncover the Italian match-fixing scandal. He denied the allegations.

Inter leads Serie A this season.
Warchant
for a country that treats football as a religion...it sure seems like they are trying everything they can to bring it down
whoarethepatriots
The scandal was damaging enough for everyone

we really dont need this right now
agenth
I heard this from corriero del sport or like that and another italian source.

they are vague hinting at something...
I hope it is all false.ö.... except for Inter's Case biggrin.gif
(strike that, I hope thats false too lol)
Portman
An italian senator: "If it's proved they (Inter) did that, they'll go down to Serie B".

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?a...n=read&id=48649
han2503
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 17 2007, 08:38 PM)
An italian senator: "If it's proved they (Inter) did that, they'll go down to Serie B".

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?a...n=read&id=48649
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and what about us? unsure.gif unsure.gif unsure.gif
Portman
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 17 2007, 08:54 PM)
and what about us?  unsure.gif  unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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We? We'll go to Disneyland! laugh.gif rolleyes.gif

Seriously, they don't say anything about Milan.
han2503
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 17 2007, 09:17 PM)
Seriously, they don't say anything about Milan.
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This is just what we need.

Galliani is running us into the ground. First getting us involved in the calciopoli, now this, not to mention all the sh!tty half @ssed transfers he's been making for the past 2 years mad.gif
Portman
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 17 2007, 09:19 PM)
This is just what we need.

Galliani is running us into the ground. First getting us involved in the calciopoli, now this, not to mention all the sh!tty half @ssed transfers he's been making for the past 2 years  mad.gif
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Moggi in
Galliani out

I'm tired of saying this. wink.gif At least Moggi can bring good players in. rolleyes.gif
agenth
I don't want Moggi.
this would be ridiculous... he'sn like galliani, a corrupt moron.
we don't need more problems, no thank you.

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Inter, AC Milan executives under investigation-source
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ROME, Jan 17 (Reuters) - The president of Inter Milan and the vice president of AC Milan have been placed under investigation by an Italian magistrate probing false accounting in Serie A football, a judicial source said on Wednesday.

Milan public prosecutor Carlo Nocerino plans to summon Inter's Massimo Moratti and Milan's Adriano Galliani for questioning in the investigation into possible balance sheet irregularities, the source told Reuters.

The prosecutor is investigating whether clubs manipulated their balance sheets by inflating the prices of players they bought and sold, the source said.

In Italy, being placed under investigation does not indicate guilt and does not necessarily lead to criminal charges.

Inter Milan refused to comment on the news, although they had previously said they were confident they would be able to refute any claims of financial irregularity. AC Milan have also insisted their books are correct.

Milan's public prosecutor has questioned whether Inter could have passed the financial tests required to take part in the 2004-05 Serie A season without improperly adjusting its accounts.

Nocerino intends to hand his findings to the Italian Football Federation, which could then decide whether to open its own investigation, the judicial source said.

Last September, Rome magistrates called for the president of AS Roma, Franco Sensi, and the former president of Lazio, Sergio Cragnotti, to stand trial for false accounting. Both men denied the accusations.

Other investigations into false accounting in Italian football are under way in Genoa and Turin.


http://sports.alice.it/it/cmc/calcio/20073/cmc_105332.html

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Squadre/Inte...7/moratti.shtml
my italian friend says it's just vague rumours...
Jack Sparrow
...and get us relegated into Serie B. Get real Porty.
Portman
QUOTE (mchanna @ Jan 17 2007, 09:29 PM)
I don't want Moggi.
this would be ridiculous... he'sn like galliani, a corrupt moron.

Are you trying to say that Galliani, Berlusconi and co are a clean guys? rolleyes.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 17 2007, 09:25 PM)
Moggi in
Galliani out

I'm tired of saying this.  wink.gif  At least Moggi can bring good players in.  rolleyes.gif
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NO WAY!! There are other great executives out there who can handle clubs.

Moggi is a currupt b@stard. And he will take us down to Serie B like he did Juve.

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my italian friend says it's just vague rumours...


I just read a quote from Mo0ratti which said that he has known about these trails going on and that thy have everything under control

here is the qoute

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Both clubs are also embroiled in a battle of a very different kind, as they have been named in an investigation into false accounting to register them for the 2004-05 campaign.

“We are relaxed,” insisted Moratti. “We can explain everything and I knew this investigation was in place. I read a few inaccuracies in the stories that emerged today.”
agenth
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 17 2007, 10:32 PM)
Are you trying to say that Galliani, Berlusconi and co are a clean guys?  rolleyes.gif
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AS CLEAN AS MORATTI AND TELEKOM ITALIA rolleyes.gif mad.gif

We are called BBilan, and I don't want to be called Moggista or whatever lol
Moggi ruined his career, why should we get him?!?!

yes Moratti knows of it, there's an article of that on the official homepage:
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MORATTI: "ABSOLUTELY NOT WORRIED"
Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:30:25 

[FOTO Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:30:25] MILAN - "I'm calm, we're all calm. We will justify everything," said Massimo Moratti today about reports in Italian daily Il Corriere della Sera and news agencies regarding the investigations of prosecutors into the finances of Inter and other clubs. The Inter president also spoke about Tuesday's meeting with Roberto Mancini and the transfer market rumours of a Ronaldo move to AC Milan.

Dr Moratti, are you calm or surprised after reading the Corriere della Sera this morning?
"No, I'm not surprised because I knew about this matter. Maybe the front page was a bit excessive... (smiles), but we're calm about the matter in itself. With all due respect for the prosecutor, who is right to go into these things, we're confident we can justify them."

The report said that Inter risked not being enrolled for the 2004/05 championship...
"Unfounded rumours. As a matter of fact, I read a few inaccuracies..."

So Moratti and the club aren't worried?
"Yes, without doubt. I have also made enquiries with the experts who have followed this matter, and they're just as calm."

Back to the football. You finally had that meeting with Roberto Mancini last night...
"Yes, but there has never been any problem, he too wants to do well. It's not as if he's thinking about a future without getting the results we have yet to achieve."

Mancini himself has spoken of a project...
"With the experience he has gained at the club, he can look to the future by looking even more at the growth of the youngsters, something that he has always done, to see what the team needs tactically. And we talk about players of interest, but with the team that is doing so well at the moment, there's no intention of selling anybody."

But you have decided when you will meet to sign the contract...
"Yes, and I have already said it will be when nobody talks about it anymore. Ours is a good relationship."

How does it feel to see Ronaldo so close to joining Milan?
"I have already spoken of my disappointment from a human point of view. But from a professional viewpoint Ronaldo is free to choose what is best for him."

But are you surprised by the possibility of Ronaldo choosing Milan?
"This can happen during the life of a player... If this whole thing is true, perhaps he doesn't like it in Madrid anymore and he contacted a team that needs this kind of player... However, I don't want to get too involved in these things. And besides, I like Ronaldo."

Have you ever thought of bringing him back?
"You'd always bring back Ronaldo... But we don't have this necessity right now, while Milan do."
Portman
QUOTE (mchanna @ Jan 17 2007, 09:35 PM)
AS CLEAN AS MORATTI AND TELEKOM ITALIA  rolleyes.gif  mad.gif

We are called BBilan, and I don't want to be called Moggista or whatever lol
Moggi ruined his career, why should we get him?!?!


It's like this: Moggi, Berlusconi, Moratti, Galliani = all the same type. The difference is that some of them have more money than the others.

Why do you think that Moggi said (when Calciocaos happened): "If Agnelli was alive, this won't happen". Another one for that group.

In Italy, everything is done that way. Like it or not. And we, Milan are not different.
agenth
I know that
But some deluded Interisti think Moratti is innocent.
Many call me crazy, but I still think this was all Inter's doing.
I don't think that Moggi would be welcomed again in football business!
The difference is that Juve are the real cheaters.
Portman
QUOTE (mchanna @ Jan 17 2007, 09:45 PM)
I know that
But some deluded Interisti think Moratti is innocent.
Many call me crazy, but I still think this was all Inter's doing.
I don't think that Moggi would be welcomed again in football business!
The difference is that Juve are the real cheaters.
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Some of Milan fans think Galliani is a saint too. rolleyes.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 17 2007, 09:42 PM)
It's like this: Moggi, Berlusconi, Moratti, Galliani = all the same type. The difference is that some of them have more money than the others.

Why do you think that Moggi said (when Calciocaos happened): "If Agnelli was alive, this won't happen". Another one for that group.

In Italy, everything is done that way. Like it or not. And we, Milan are not different.
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But look at it this way.

If we get Moggi, what do you think that will do for the image of Milan, we have already been run through the mud this summer.

Getting Moggi wouldn't make any sense
agenth
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 17 2007, 10:47 PM)
Some of Milan fans think Galliani is a saint too.  rolleyes.gif
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really? who? huh.gif ohmy.gif

Every interisti I know think that all they are the cleanest ones in Serie A.
Also some italians who are not Interfans think that.
dst
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 17 2007, 11:25 PM)
Moggi in
Galliani out
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Come one pal, you can't be serious about this!! That would be completely ridiculous, thank God it's never going to happen...

And no do not relate that pr!ck with Berlusconi. Don Silvio never wanted control of the referees and Milan has never won anything that way... you've been following Milan and you can tell yourself!! Berlusconi has been acting as illegal as it gets when it comes to money and transfers and all that stuff (all big teams in Europe are corrupted) but when it comes to the field, Milan has not been gifted anything!! I have no doubt about this and in fact I challenge anyone who feels like it to name one game given to us. One game... bring on the facts!

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 17 2007, 11:32 PM)
I just read a quote from Mo0ratti which said that he has known about these trails going on and that thy have everything under control
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ermm... doesn't that mean he was informed?? rolleyes.gif

Oh of course not, Merda are clean... but for a moment there, I had a tiny little doubt! cool.gif
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 17 2007, 09:48 PM)
ermm... doesn't that mean he was informed??  rolleyes.gif

Oh of course not, Merda are clean... but for a moment there, I had a tiny little doubt!  cool.gif
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But there is no Guido Rossi anymore to cover their sh!t up is there??

They thought they had cleaned uo everything before he had conveniently decided to resign, but I guess they wheren't as efficient with the getting rid of evidence as they would have like to be
Portman
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 17 2007, 09:47 PM)
But look at it this way.

If we get Moggi, what do you think that will do for the image of Milan, we have already been run through the mud this summer.

Getting Moggi wouldn't make any sense

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You didn't get it. It doesn't matter what happens now. Milan is linked with the mafia since the 80's. It's not a "calciopoli" thing. It's not a new-thing. Milan is always be, like the majority of the italian clubs, related to that.

PS: Getting Ronaldo make any sense?
agenth
I don't know what you mean.
But Milan certainly have felt the after effects of Calciopoli.
Getting no real players is one sign,
the referees being pussies another.

Now everyone outside italy thinks Inter is TEH CLEAN ONE.
I know dozens of interisti who are proud of their paper faxed scudetto,
"never been in b" "the clean one" is one of their favourite quotes.
dst
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 17 2007, 11:52 PM)
You didn't get it. It doesn't matter what happens now. Milan is linked with the mafia since the 80's. It's not a "calciopoli" thing. It's not a new-thing. Milan is always be, like the majority of the italian clubs, related to that.
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Man are you even listening to what you're saying?? (In fact do you read what you write??) rolleyes.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 17 2007, 09:52 PM)
You didn't get it. It doesn't matter what happens now. Milan is linked with the mafia since the 80's. It's not a "calciopoli" thing. It's not a new-thing. Milan is always be, like the majority of the italian clubs, related to that.

PS: Getting Ronaldo make any sense?
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It doesn't matter, most bandwagon fans of ANY team don't care about what happened in the 80's or what Milan was associated with back then, They only know about the few things that happened during the summer, but nothing in detail just the sh!t they read on the net.

This is their knowledge wavelength

Moggi = bad
Juve = bad
Moratti = good and clean
Inter = good and clean

Bringing Moggi to Milan will just continue to make these idiots believe that we are corrupt.

And apart from that cayse it doesn't really matter what other people think. Bringing in Moggi and just the idea of him assoiciating with us will put doubt in everybodies mind, wehter what we won came from on the pitch or through the phone not to mention that everybody (not the fans but high officials who have it in for us) will continue to have a reason to continually try and drag us down.

There are many other people capable of coming in and doing a great job. Even Silvio could finally get his mind off his half @ssed political carrier and get it on Milan and make us great again, because we all know he can.

At the end of the day, it's his money not Galliani's and Galliani cannot just buy anyone without his consent. But him getting us involved in this sh!t is what's irritating.

About Ronaldo, if we get him he is coming for free and on a trail bases of a year and a half. It's a win win situation for us
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 17 2007, 09:58 PM)
Man are you even listening to what you're saying?? (In fact do you read what you write??)  rolleyes.gif
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OK. Stick with the pure Milan, the clean directors, and the non-ref infuences. Stay in that fantasy world.

I'm done in this topic.
agenth
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 17 2007, 11:06 PM)
OK. Stick with the pure Milan, the clean directors, and the non-ref infuences. Stay in that fantasy world. 

I'm done in this topic.
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WHY?
Why are you stating something, but avoiding my questions?


Ah forgot that you are a Juventusfan... lol unsure.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 17 2007, 10:06 PM)
OK. Stick with the pure Milan, the clean directors, and the non-ref infuences. Stay in that fantasy world. 

I'm done in this topic.
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How could you keep believing that and still watch Milan matches if you are just certain that we are fxing all of them??

We all know that Silvio is corrupt, there is no denying that, but are you trying to say that what Milan won in the late 80's and early 90's is all because of corruption??

Milan have always won their matches on the field, even this summer when they where desperately trying to dig up ANYTHING that would actually incriminate us in the calciopoli all they could find was Meani complaining about bad calls AFTER the game had happened.

Berlusconi, probably one of the most coprrupt guys around, he has bellions of undeclared money and a whole lot of other things, but when it comes to Milan we have always won on the field.
dst
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 18 2007, 12:06 AM)
OK. Stick with the pure Milan, the clean directors, and the non-ref infuences. Stay in that fantasy world. 

I'm done in this topic.
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Yeah. Whatever!
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 17 2007, 09:19 PM)
This is just what we need.

Galliani is running us into the ground. First getting us involved in the calciopoli, now this, not to mention all the sh!tty half @ssed transfers he's been making for the past 2 years  mad.gif
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Concurrence cool.gif
Rossoneri7
DP
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jan 18 2007, 12:42 AM)
It's like this: Moggi, Berlusconi, Moratti, Galliani = all the same type. The difference is that some of them have more money than the others.

Why do you think that Moggi said (when Calciocaos happened): "If Agnelli was alive, this won't happen". Another one for that group.

In Italy, everything is done that way. Like it or not. And we, Milan are not different.
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Yes Milan r not different. But in Milan's case, Milan had been demoted twice for fruad, so the board has everything accounted for. The assume the least risk in all their actions king.gif

I don't think Silvio has sabotaged Inter and Juves title hopes ever rolleyes.gif .. It just comes to show that Moaratti has come out as the odd man between the rest, and time will tell how close they r from being punished.

Punished, fristly for demoting Juve !!! Then for Planting a conspiracy on the whole Calcio .. He just makes me sick.
milanistar
what a gas!
Bluesummers
read what portugal writes instead of just schimming through it. Every club in the world cheats in one way or another. No single ref is unbiast. CL last year remember how sheva was denied a goal. Remember how arsenal should have won. People get caught others dont. Every politician or person who has grasped some power in the world is corrupt. We can go from g w bush to paris hilton. What porty is saying that you guys think were super clean and we win everything fairly, comon give me a break. Do you want a bed time story with that too?


Ps: i may not know alot about milan history but i sure as hell know that every board member is corrupt in milan to the utmost degree.
KillerMax
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jan 18 2007, 12:47 AM)
read what portugal writes instead of just schimming through it.  Every club in the world cheats in one way or another.  No single ref is unbiast.  CL last year remember how sheva was denied a goal.  Remember how arsenal should have won.  People get caught others dont.  Every politician or person who has grasped some power in the world is corrupt.  We can go from g w bush to paris hilton.  What porty is saying that you guys think were super clean and we win everything fairly, comon give me a break.  Do you want a bed time story with that too?
Ps: i may not know alot about milan history but i sure as hell know that every board member is corrupt in milan to the utmost degree.
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This is my honest opinion. I think you and Porto are full of $hit. You are not presenting any facts and are basically talking out of your asses. Almost everybody here admits that Don Silvio is corrupt as a person. But unless you can bring some facts to the table about Milan being a cheat, you won't have any credibility. I seriously can NOT remember the last Milan match I watched and I thought, hmm, Milan is being favoured.... And I have been following Milan for a looooong time.
fresh_prince7
Hmmm firey discussion. Yeh I don't know a great deal about the so called 'dealings' or the ways things 'work' at milan. If someones willing to provide detailed insights into it.. be quite interested to hear bout it and the other clubs :S.

I agree with K-max though, from games I've seen never ever thought anything was fixed, if anything I've felt the opposite way.

Remember the 2nd goal in istanbul for liverpool.. certain flag going up for offside and play just continuing and liverpool scoring. (Had to throw that in mad.gif)

Anything involving money, its a fair assumption that money is placed and accounts are editted. Really the people involved in that should be held accountable rather than the team, who are the innocent party.

Anyway I dunno, just swindling some words. king.gif
milanistar
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jan 18 2007, 06:47 AM)
read what portugal writes instead of just schimming through it.  Every club in the world cheats in one way or another.  No single ref is unbiast.  CL last year remember how sheva was denied a goal.  Remember how arsenal should have won.  People get caught others dont.  Every politician or person who has grasped some power in the world is corrupt.  We can go from g w bush to paris hilton.  What porty is saying that you guys think were super clean and we win everything fairly, comon give me a break.  Do you want a bed time story with that too?
Ps: i may not know alot about milan history but i sure as hell know that every board member is corrupt in milan to the utmost degree.
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Hey dude do me a favor and don't insult the club that I love mad.gif

See, I think the only point you've got is saying you don't know anything about Milan history, Milan is the most hated club in Italy, plus I think you're confused, I mean what has a corrupt politician to do with the CL final or the referees incompetence?!! Oh, yeah wait it's Laporta, he's corrupted and paid Merk and told him to do every thing to take us down rolleyes.gif

We all here agree that Berlusconi isn't the cleanest guy in the world, and so goes for the politicians, but you can't deny the facts, just watch a couple of Milan matches and then you can tell if we fix our matches or not!

The reality of the field can't be denied, some "big" clubs are favored that's undeniable but it's just about some fouls and cards here and there, and you can't do anything about it, it's a part of the star system!

Go to watch a match of la Juve and you'll understand what does it mean being favored, few decades ago they used to offer "gifts" to the referees in Italy, and now it seemed (even if officially, they don't do that anymore) that the referees used to it and they still make a strange decisions rolleyes.gif but you know what, I give them the benefit of a doubt, may be they are really changing even if some habits hardly change wink.gif

You know what people say, the worst vice is advice, so here is a suggestion, never speak about what you don't know!!
dst
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Jan 18 2007, 09:20 AM)
This is my honest opinion. I think you and Porto are full of $hit. You are not presenting any facts and are basically talking out of your asses. Almost everybody here admits that Don Silvio is corrupt as a person. But unless you can bring some facts to the table about Milan being a cheat, you won't have any credibility. I seriously can NOT remember the last Milan match I watched and I thought, hmm, Milan is being favoured.... And I have been following Milan for a looooong time.
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Name ONE game guys... ONE fucking game!!
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 18 2007, 03:10 PM)
Name ONE game guys... ONE fucking game!!
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laugh.gif dst .. ur not trying hard enough tongue.gif
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 18 2007, 02:13 PM)
laugh.gif dst .. ur not trying hard enough tongue.gif
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what's that supposed to mean??

Two games come to mind where we were severely damnified enough to cost us the scudetto if that's what you want me to do... First one was against Parma some years ago (last giornata)... that game was just a joke... it was f@cking obvious that Milan shouldn't win the game. The second one was against Giuve two years ago at San Siro... maybe you remember that one?? Oh and against Roma (last giornata again) 3 years ago... we won with that Sheva goal but we have not been given a clear penalty...
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 18 2007, 03:21 PM)
what's that supposed to mean??

Two games come to mind where we were severely damnified enough to cost us the scudetto if that's what you want me to do... First one was against Parma some years ago (last giornata)... that game was just a joke... it was f@cking obvious that Milan shouldn't win the game. The second one was against Giuve two years ago at San Siro... maybe you remember that one?? Oh and against Roma (last giornata again) 3 years ago... we won with that Sheva goal but we have not been given a clear penalty...
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Come on .. u could do better tongue.gif ..

Milan has fixed up some games, but that doesn't mean that we won those games or we won the league or CL .. Therefore, it is pointless to say that Silvio and Galliani r corrupt in their investment in Milan.

I don't mean to say that Milan are completely clean nor r they completely corrupt; the fact that they have been demoted b4 has kept the club on it's toes as to always account for anything and everything, in case sh!t happens. rolleyes.gif
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 18 2007, 02:46 PM)
Milan has fixed up some games, but that doesn't mean that we won those games or we won the league or CL .. Therefore, it is pointless to say that Silvio and Galliani r corrupt in their investment in Milan.
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Not even Moratti's own Guido Rossi could present anything against Milan... Milan was penalized for a 2-2 draw... in which we had a good goal disallowed. Or were they accusing us of inability to fix a match the proper way!? rolleyes.gif ... so whatever you say will not convince me, period!

Let's leave it at that!
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 18 2007, 04:23 PM)
Not even Moratti's own Guido Rossi could present anything against Milan... Milan was penalized for a 2-2 draw... in which we had a good goal disallowed. Or were they accusing us of inability to fix a match the proper way!?  rolleyes.gif ... so whatever you say will not convince me, period!

Let's leave it at that!
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Convince u on what ? That Milan fixs matchs ?! man, it's the system of Serie A certain teams are the ones that win it, they r the ones that r favored, they r the ones that get the greater share of tv $$, they r the ones who bring in the big name players ..

Fixing matchs is just a small part of the whole senario rolleyes.gif .. I'm not saying that Milan does this or that, nor am I convincing u that they fixed this or that match. What I am saying, is that the club had been demoted twice for fruad and now they are very careful about what they do and the consequences ..
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 18 2007, 02:14 PM)
Convince u on what ? That Milan fixs matchs ?! man, it's the system of Serie A certain teams are the ones that win it, they r the ones that r favored, they r the ones that get the greater share of tv $$, they r the ones who bring in the big name players ..

Fixing matchs is just a small part of the whole senario rolleyes.gif .. I'm not saying that Milan does this or that, nor am I convincing u that they fixed this or that match. What I am saying, is that the club had been demoted twice for fruad and now they are very careful about what they do and the consequences ..
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We are just going round in circles with this.

Let's simplify this shall we.

Berlusconi, he is corrupt as a man everybody knows this and I don't think even Silvio would deny it.

Now this is where we all agree right??

What's the difference between when Milan and Juve got relegated? Milan got relagated because of players who bet on their own matches and agreed between eachother to play for a certain result. That isn't the same as club officials giving Lamborginis and locking people in changing rooms, so that the refs will favour them.

R7, I don't think the issue of the $$ from TV rights and big players has anything to do with fixing matches. Does it help you get results? Of course, but that is the way it works in everything and everywhere, not just football in serie A.

Fact - Milan never fixed a match by bribing a ref, Borelli tried EVERYTHING in his power to try and prove this and all he managed to come up with was Meani COMPLAINING AFTER the match had finished about the bad calls that had cost us 3 pts. Then after the phone call happened we where scr3wed over again and had another bad ref call cost us a match.

The only thing we should have been charged for if we really did fix matches is for the ametuorish way we did it, since, CLEARLY, it didn't really work in our favour.
m1ke
Keep it friendly guys graduated.gif
han2503
QUOTE (m1ke @ Jan 18 2007, 03:04 PM)
Keep it friendly guys graduated.gif
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We like to ruffle a bit of feathers here and there on special occasions.

And since R9 seems likely to come, this qualifies as an occasion (for some special, for others not so much tongue.gif )

I mean, we've got a guy on stand-by ready to streak through down town Sydney if this is announced tongue.gif
fresh_prince7
Glad we don't have people like that in western australia. tongue.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 18 2007, 05:57 PM)
R7, I don't think the issue of the $$ from TV rights and big players has anything to do with fixing matches. Does it help you get results? Of course, but that is the way it works in everything and everywhere, not just football in serie A.

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No .. I didnt mean that bcz of the $$ tv and big players that the match fixing was a direct result.

I ment that since there is no equality in the teams in the first place, that these things are bound to happen.

No one has a say on if Berlusconi is corrupt or not ... U know why ?? Cuz he is ahead of any investigating team by three steps wink.gif

That is why his business has not been stopped or been prevoked a licence for anything. There are doubts, I mean investigation that goes on, but nothing sufficiant to deem him of being corrupt has surfaced cool.gif
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 18 2007, 04:14 PM)
Convince u on what ? That Milan fixs matchs ?! man, it's the system of Serie A certain teams are the ones that win it, they r the ones that r favored, they r the ones that get the greater share of tv $$, they r the ones who bring in the big name players ..

Fixing matchs is just a small part of the whole senario rolleyes.gif .. I'm not saying that Milan does this or that, nor am I convincing u that they fixed this or that match. What I am saying, is that the club had been demoted twice for fruad and now they are very careful about what they do and the consequences ..
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Convince me that "this is a part of the scenario"... rolleyes.gif

Firstly it's not the system of Serie A, it's the system of every single football league in the world and in general this is how the whole universe works! You know that of course but I just did not want us to focus on calcio italiano.

Secondly tv rights, transfer frauds and other stuff have nothing to do with match fixing. And Berlusconi in particular has done the former but stayed clear away from the latter. This is what I believe and it's an opinion forged through watching and studying calcio Serie A and it's underground; I think Milan (during Silvio's era) have never fixed any match!! And before anyone starts, I'm not saying this cause I'm a biased Milan fan. I do not see only good in this team, I know who our president is and we're in f@cking G14 for God's sake, the absolute instrument of punishment for the weak, I'm not blind!! This is my very own thought and I have no doubt about it... I would still be a Milan fan, and one as proud as I am now, even if I knew Milan did fix matches or even if it's proved in the future that we did!! So no this is no biased thinking...

And at last Milan has only been demoted once and it wasn't for match fixing, it was because of some of the team's players betting on the outcome of a certain matches, that was the "greengrocer" case... Milan then went on to win Serie B but got relegated again the year after that because they finished last.

That's all I got to say regarding this issue. smile.gif
fresh_prince7
Which players were involved in the betting?
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