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gal_kenny
I think torres is better cuz he plays for a small team compared to Ibra and so many teams are looking to buy him unsure.gif wink.gif cool.gif
gal_kenny
Guys, sorry bout double posting it was a mistake
X-Offender
Torres, no doubt.
dst
I would pick Ibra for Milan!!!

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Portman
Ibra. No doubt. (Well... I'm a long-time Zlatan fan, since Ajax times)

And... Torres would be about 40M/euros or something like that. With 20... 25M we can get Zlatan, I believe.

And the way both play... for Milan, is more important a player like the Bosnian-Swedish than the Spanish one.
dudernahata
torres for sure. he plays the position like not many others do.
KillerMax
I vote Torres. Ibra failed big time and I don't like how selfish he is. He likes to play around with the ball when he has/has the chance to pass. He likes to do fancy stuff when it's really not nessecary. He scored only 7 goals last season for Juve with all those great players playing behind him. Torres on the other hand had his worst seasons with Atletico and still managed to score 12 goals in the La Liga. He also had a lot of assists(forgot how many). He is the Atletico captain and he is the one making things happen for them. I watched almost all of the Atletico games last year just because of him and he was a delight to watch. He doesn't have great players behind him, so instead, he creates chances for himslef. God knows how many times I saw him coming back to their own half, get the ball and run past almost the 5 or 6 players. His speed is out of this world. We NEED that speed. If he comes to Milan, his partnership with kaka will be something special! They have a similar style of playing it would be wonderful to watch these two great talents play together along with Gila. Ibra on the other hand is a very different player and I would only welcome him if we couldn't get Torres and if he is willing to change his attitude. He needs to become a team player first! Like Gila! I still can't forget what Gila did in the game against Fenerbahce in which Sheva scored 4 goals. Someone (Serginho I think) passed the ball from the left flank and Gila had the easiest task for scoring it, instead, he saw Sheva besides him and decided to let him score. It brings tears to my eyes! cry.gif king.gif
dst
Yep Gila did that!!! He had the chance to score and avoid some critisicm but instead he let The Liar complete a hat-trick!!!


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Jack Sparrow
I've seen Torres play (thanks to dst) yeah he's got skills, but he's not the target man we are looking for...he's one of those silken types...Ibra is big and strong can deal with some rough handling.

Spanish Primera is not as physical as Serie A...there's just too much money involved to make the risk...effectively we are paying more than what we earned for Judas to get Torres and if he flops...Milan is screwed
dst
I suppose now it's my turn to say ... what Jack said ... exactly what he said!!!!
Jack Sparrow
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I musta died and gone to Rossoneri heaven...oh wait that's the San Siro..so maybe this is milanfan heaven smile.gif
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Jul 29 2006, 05:54 PM)
I vote Torres. Ibra failed big time and I don't like how selfish he is. He likes to play around with the ball when he has/has the chance to pass. He likes to do fancy stuff when it's really not nessecary. He scored only 7 goals last season for Juve with all those great players playing behind him. Torres on the other hand had his worst seasons with Atletico and still managed to score 12 goals in the La Liga. He also had a lot of assists(forgot how many). He is the Atletico captain and he is the one making things happen for them. I watched almost all of the Atletico games last year just because of him and he was a delight to watch. He doesn't have great players behind him, so instead, he creates chances for himslef. God knows how many times I saw him coming back to their own half, get the ball and run past almost the 5 or 6 players. His speed is out of this world. We NEED that speed. If he comes to Milan, his partnership with kaka will be something special! They have a similar style of playing it would be wonderful to watch these two great talents play together along with Gila. Ibra on the other hand is a very different player and I would only welcome him if we couldn't get Torres and if he is willing to change his attitude. He needs to become a team player first! Like Gila! I still can't forget what Gila did in the game against Fenerbahce in which Sheva scored 4 goals. Someone (Serginho I think) passed the ball from the left flank and Gila had the easiest task for scoring it, instead, he saw Sheva besides him and decided to let him score. It brings tears to my eyes!  cry.gif  king.gif
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Totally true my friend smile.gif

With Torres we would be so lethal with our counters whereas with Ibra we would just be slow. Tricks don't win games but goals do and Ibra is not prolific enough for me wink.gif
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 29 2006, 06:49 PM)
I've seen Torres play (thanks to dst) yeah he's got skills, but he's not the target man we are looking for...he's one of those silken types...Ibra is big and strong can deal with some rough handling.

Spanish Primera is not as physical as Serie A...there's just too much money involved to make the risk...effectively we are paying more than what we earned for Judas to get Torres and if he flops...Milan is screwed
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We can play Gila as target man, we don't need a trick pony. We also need someone who doesn't look amateurish in front of goal - we need someone to score and Ibra is not that man.
Portman
I don't think we need someone... lethal... a super-goalscorer, a striker. For that we got Gilardino and Inzaghi. Same type of striker... only plays inside the box, only scores inside the box.

I think we need someone to pair up with that type. Someone that plays along with, but more tecnical, that can not only score but assist.

Ibra did not score many goals last season, but how many goals did he "offer" to Trezeguet?! Yeah...
dst
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jul 29 2006, 10:32 PM)
We can play Gila as target man, we don't need a trick pony. We also need someone who doesn't look amateurish in front of goal - we need someone to score and Ibra is not that man.
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if you wonna come up with the advantages and disadvantages of each one then remember to check that Torres is so weak for Serie A that will be out on the first blow ...
La Liga is a much different league.It's definetely easier to score there; I'm not saying Torres is not a good player but the number of strikers that make it in Italy is very limited!!!!


edit: ... and what Portugal wrote above too!!! wink.gif
LaPalma
I would definetely prefer Torres. He's obviously one of the most talented young strikers in the world (besides ROOOONEY and Podolski). He has much more to offer than Ibra. Torres has the discipline it needs to become a great player, he's got the skills, and I don't think physical strength will be a problenm for him guys.
Portman
For me, Torres has only 1 advantage if we compare him to Zlatan: - his age.

Errr... 22, 24, 25... still young.
LaPalma
I don't get Ibras advantages... Is it his attitude? The fact that he played a great season with Juventus, or his outstanding performance in the WC?
Jack Sparrow
@LaPalma: Sarcasm noted and quickly forgotten tongue.gif:P:P
Portman
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jul 29 2006, 07:57 PM)
I don't get Ibras advantages... Is it his attitude? The fact that he played a great season with Juventus, or his outstanding performance in the WC?
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... more physical, more tecnical, knows italian soccer (and how to play on it, not as the spaniard), cheaper, Juventus player (after all, they lose a great young talent cool.gif ), knows how to score against Inter (important biggrin.gif ), etc ...
dst
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jul 29 2006, 11:33 PM)
... more physical, more tecnical, knows italian soccer (and how to play on it, not as the spaniard), cheaper, Juventus player (after all, they lose a great young talent  cool.gif ), knows how to score against Inter (important  biggrin.gif ), etc ...
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Spot on.
Actually guys, as I've said before, even though I'd rather have Ibra than Torres I don't really like them and my strategy would be completely different; Right now I'd spend those bloody millions on Diarra/Mascherano, I'd buy another young CB and LB, Nelson as a RB and maybe Oddo too!!!

I'd play the victorious Xtree and I'd give everything (I mean EVERY LITTLE THING) to seal a deal with Barca for Messi - not for now maybe even in two years it would be great.Maybe some of you think of this as a bad policy but the V Xtree rocks - it's not anything temporary - plus we'll have to try really hard to lose the scudetto seeing as our only real contender is Inter ... smile.gif
solaopenheart
Watzup guys, i want ue to look at the both players first As for Ibra he has an xperience of playing in italy he knows thier week point and can help us. that is for the good part in ibra. When u look at torres he is a gfood playe rbut as no xperience in playing in italy b4 but i believe he is good. I continue my discussion later.................
KillerMax
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jul 29 2006, 01:44 PM)
Ibra did not score many goals last season, but how many goals did he "offer" to Trezeguet?! Yeah...
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I bet Torres had more assists than Ibra! biggrin.gif Someone find the facts!
LaPalma
I justed looked the facts up. Ibra had one poor assist in the CL while Torres had none. So Ibra really has more assists...but hey...it's just one...
Portman
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Jul 29 2006, 09:22 PM)
I bet Torres had more assists than Ibra!  biggrin.gif Someone find the facts!
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I bet Ibra had more than Torres.

Anyday...
dst
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Jul 30 2006, 12:22 AM)
I bet Torres had more assists than Ibra!  biggrin.gif Someone find the facts!
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the only great defender in La Liga though is Puyol (wub.gif) and maybe Sorin.Oh, and Ramos ( HA laugh.gif HA laugh.gif HA ).In Serie A most defenders are "imprevious to attackers" ... let alone through balls!!!
dst
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jul 30 2006, 12:42 AM)
I justed looked the facts up. Ibra had one poor assist in the CL while Torres had none. So Ibra really has more assists...but hey...it's just one...
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and now's the time I come up and remind you that Torres did not play in the CL ... what about domestic leagues?Or did you mean 1 and 0 respectively overall??Man that's sad ... what have you guys been talking about? Those guys don't see no field ...
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 29 2006, 09:54 PM)
the only great defender in La Liga though is Puyol (wub.gif) and maybe Sorin.Oh, and Ramos ( HA laugh.gif HA laugh.gif HA ).In Serie A most defenders are "imprevious to attackers" ... let alone through balls!!!
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Best defender in La Liga? Cannavaro. biggrin.gif

Ramos is good but it's young. Needs a good and experient partner. I think this season he'll grow and become a better CB.
LaPalma
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 29 2006, 09:56 PM)
and now's the time I come up and remind you that Torres did not play in the CL ... what about domestic leagues?Or did you mean 1 and 0 respectively overall??Man that's sad ... what have you guys been talking about? Those guys don't see no field ...
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Ahem....that WERE ALL assists both gave in the entire last season including the domestic leagues...
dst
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jul 30 2006, 01:03 AM)
Ahem....that WERE ALL assists both gave in the entire last season including the domestic leagues...
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Reaaaaally??? ohmy.gif

That is sooo poor !!!!!!
LaPalma
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 29 2006, 10:04 PM)
Reaaaaally??? ohmy.gif

That is sooo poor !!!!!!
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Oh oh...did I mention the so called box striker Miroslav Klose had 14 (!) assists last season? This is btw more than the "Best football player in the world" Ronaldinho had (only 7)
Portman
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jul 29 2006, 10:21 PM)
Oh oh...did I mention the so called box striker Miroslav Klose had 14 (!) assists last season? This is btw more than the "Best football player in the world" Ronaldinho had (only 7)
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Source please...
dst
hmm ... Klose!!! Interesting ... cool.gif
LaPalma
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jul 29 2006, 10:32 PM)
Source please...
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Source
It's a german football site...haven't found an english website for this things.
This is the exact link
Exact site
btw "Torvorarbeit" is the german word for assist...
Portman
"Torvorarbeit", weird word... weird language. tongue.gif

In portuguese is much more easier "assistência". wink.gif
KillerMax
So Kaka, Pirlo and Sheva all had only one assist last season? This can't be true... rolleyes.gif
KillerMax
Your website is not reliable LaPalma... It says Jankulovski had 0 assists in serie A last season where I clearly remember his assist at the end of the season...
I need to find a reliable source. I remember Torres's assists too... wink.gif
LaPalma
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jul 29 2006, 10:57 PM)
"Torvorarbeit", weird word... weird language. tongue.gif

In portuguese is much more easier "assistência".  wink.gif
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This is why most people here say assist instead of "Torvorarbeit"...
GULLIVER
Torres? He is a kid, who used to score easy goals. Nothing special!!!

Zlatan, can score and he would be a great partner with Gila and Kaka.
LaPalma
QUOTE (GULLIVER @ Jul 30 2006, 12:15 PM)
Torres? He is a kid, who used to score easy goals. Nothing special!!!

Zlatan, can score and he would be a great partner with Gila and Kaka.
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He's a damn talented kid I'd say. Ibra is a wa overestimated player on the other end. He just had one good season with Juve, that's all. Oh..and yes, Zlatan can score... but only 9 times a season laugh.gif
Portman
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jul 30 2006, 01:20 PM)
He's a damn talented kid I'd say. Ibra is a wa overestimated player on the other end. He just had one good season with Juve, that's all. Oh..and yes, Zlatan can score... but only 9 times a season  laugh.gif
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He was not the main striker on that team. You know it was Trezeguet. And many of Trezegoals were assisted by Ibra.

In Atletico, Kezman sucks and Torres is the only "true-quality" striker on that team. Everybody plays for him.
misha
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jul 30 2006, 03:27 PM)
He was not the main striker on that team. You know it was Trezeguet. And many of Trezegoals were assisted by Ibra.
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Juve wanted him to be but he played bad and somebody needed to score ---> Trezeguet
Portman
QUOTE (mishale @ Jul 30 2006, 01:45 PM)
Juve wanted him to be but he played bad and somebody needed to score ---> Trezeguet
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That's not true. Capello, on the latest years always plays with 2 fowards... 1 goalscorer and the other one, more tecnical player that can assist, hold on the ball, pass, shot, and score.
KillerMax
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jul 30 2006, 08:47 AM)
That's not true. Capello, on the latest years always plays with 2 fowards... 1 goalscorer and the other one, more tecnical player that can assist, hold on the ball, pass, shot, and score.
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Well, Del Piero played that role too and even though he played A LOT LESS than Ibra, he managed to score more goals. wink.gif
Portman
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Jul 30 2006, 05:08 PM)
Well, Del Piero played that role too and even though he played A LOT LESS than Ibra, he managed to score more goals. wink.gif
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Yup... some penalties... (given by the ref, of course). cool.gif
LaPalma
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jul 30 2006, 02:47 PM)
That's not true. Capello, on the latest years always plays with 2 fowards... 1 goalscorer and the other one, more tecnical player that can assist, hold on the ball, pass, shot, and score.
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But a striker is supposed to score, isn't he?
Portman
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jul 30 2006, 06:04 PM)
But a striker is supposed to score, isn't he?
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Yes. But... how can I explain... AT THE MOMENT we already have THAT TYPE of striker... now we need a PARTNER for THAT TYPE.

And I think Ibra is the best option to be THAT PARTNER.

I think you understand what I'm saying...
GULLIVER
QUOTE (Portugal @ Jul 30 2006, 10:14 PM)
Yes. But... how can I explain... AT THE MOMENT we already have THAT TYPE of striker... now we need a PARTNER for THAT TYPE.

And I think Ibra is the best option to be THAT PARTNER.

I think you understand what I'm saying...
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I think still he won't agree biggrin.gif he wants Klose in Milan! smile.gif

But I'm really tierd of Ibra discussions, he became a star around here king.gif

Let's wait and see
LaPalma
QUOTE (GULLIVER @ Jul 30 2006, 10:11 PM)
I think still he won't agree  biggrin.gif  he wants Klose in Milan! smile.gif

But I'm really tierd of Ibra discussions, he became a star around here king.gif

Let's wait and see
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Yap, Klose would be the much better addition to Gila and Pippo...
And to you portugal, you're right about what you said about that other striker type we need. Still I'd wish that other striker, whoever he is, would score a little more often than 9 times a season, and I think Torres is the guy that can do that.
Portman
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