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Posted by: Tennie Jul 27 2010, 06:22 PM
Viva Espana!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 27 2010, 07:02 PM
As reported by Sport, Barcelona vice-president of finance Javier Faus has reported that the Catalan club suffered €77.1 million in losses last season, compared to a net profit of €11.1m the season before.
The difference in accounts thus represents a gulf of more than €88m, despite Barca's recent extension of credit from a conglomerate of Spanish banks, including banking heavyweights Banco Santander and La Caixa.
In total, Barcelona's debt is thus estimated at a net amount of €442m, while the gross figure could be in the €552m range.
In addition, Faus explained that the numbers presented by Barcelona's last board of directors "do not reflect the club's real image", but also ruled out the possibility that the previous board had taken deliberate action to deceive in the presentation of their budgetary figures. It remains to be seen if and how Barcelona's financial hurdles will impact the club's transfer market aspirations, particularly with respect to the signing of Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas.
goal.com
This is not funny anymore. Something has to give. They win the national title and walk off with a 77 million loss??!
Posted by: Fishdoll Jul 27 2010, 07:21 PM
I looked.
More than 1/2 of the current operating loss for Barca is due to tv and marketing ocmpanies not paying the club what they're owed, so a lot of the 77MM can be wiped pretty easily.
Not sure where the 442MM debt figure comes from -- some of it is, I believe, capital debt for renovation of Camp Nou. That's a little bit different than just being in debt.
And for what it's worth, the prior regime (Laporta) didn't actually release full financials. So the profit figure from last year isn't necessarily accurate. It's my impression that Laporta and his group weren't very good managers of $$$ and the new regime is at least being honest about it.
(And goal as usual is sensationalizing everying. I really dislike that website).
Posted by: samira Aug 14 2010, 10:07 PM
Sevilla - Barcelona 2-1 Ibra 1-0 first half then Kanoute and Fabiano stepped up!
Lovely, I love to see Barcelona lose 
3-1 
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 15 2010, 01:21 AM
Well, it was more Sevilla 3 - 1 Barca youth squad +3. None of the Barca guys who played in the world cup for Spain were fielded and Messi only came on partway through the second half. Maxwell was fielded as a winger, ffs. 
I wouldn't be too cheerful just yet, Samira. The second leg is at Camp Nou and it'll be a radically different Barcelona squad.
Posted by: Bluesummers Aug 15 2010, 03:05 AM
MOURINHO MOURINHO MOURINHO MOURINHO! F@CK BARCA!@
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 16 2010, 08:59 AM
I wouldn't be too cheerful just yet, Samira. The second leg is at Camp Nou and it'll be a radically different Barcelona squad.You're totally sounding like a Barca fan (:
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 16 2010, 10:03 AM
And you seem happy about that.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 16 2010, 11:17 AM
Notice the smiley is inverted. That means http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/brewers/laugh-other-side-mouth.html#axzz0wlLUHUfu
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 16 2010, 11:41 AM
Wtf...
And people expect people to know that???? Smiley language is too complicated for me. Once I got accused of something by using a typical smiley. F*** people who put meanings into smileys!
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 16 2010, 11:53 AM
So sorry. Didn't know I wasn't permitted to say anything positive about any club other than Milan.
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 16 2010, 12:13 PM
Take it easy Piranha! I didn't mean it in a bad way at all... 
I inverted it because I wanted a smiley, but not this>
smiley! Um... no. but I'm not unhappy about it either. it was just an observation.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 16 2010, 12:15 PM
And people expect people to know that???? Smiley language is too complicated for me. Once I got accused of something by using a typical smiley. F*** people who put meanings into smileys!
Dude...I was only lying. Read the avtar and weep.
No you're not. I sentence you to be burnt on the stake for heresy. Ooh...I wanted to do this for so long.
Grilled Sushi Rice for the win!!! 
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 16 2010, 12:36 PM
You should be sorry. Thank you for that. I cannot stand Barça, nor Spanish NT. Puyol, Iniesta, ... urgh..... hopefully Mourinho deals with these scum.
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 16 2010, 01:52 PM
I'd rather never watch football again than ever support anything connected with that miserable creature.
Posted by: samira Aug 16 2010, 02:37 PM
I wouldn't be too cheerful just yet, Samira. The second leg is at Camp Nou and it'll be a radically different Barcelona squad.that's the sad part
I know in Saturday
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 22 2010, 07:05 PM
Second leg of the Spanish Supercup was yesterday. Barcelona started most of their regular 11.
FT Barca 4-0 Sevilla (Messi hat trick, Konko own goal).
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 29 2010, 08:37 PM
Poor heartbroken Pique managed to stifle his sorrow enough to play today. FT Racing 0-3 Barca (Messi, Villa, Iniesta).
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 29 2010, 09:53 PM
Madrid couldn't beat Mallorca 
This turned to be a very good evening.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 29 2010, 11:25 PM
So what's with the whole Pique-Ibra deal? I've been reading on forums and people making jibes at them being heart broken. Have I missed something epic happening?
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 29 2010, 11:40 PM
You missed this, han. Came out last spring:
Posted by: acid911 Aug 29 2010, 11:44 PM
Behold:
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 29 2010, 11:50 PM
I like acid's version better. It has captions.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 29 2010, 11:53 PM
Yeah, that's why I posted it.
At first when I saw your image, I thought what the hell, it says everything. But the captions on this one was too good to pass. Having said that, I still can't believe Han missed the episode as it happened. I mean, I of all people, caught the story the same day the picture came out.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 30 2010, 12:43 AM
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2010, 12:32 PM
I have seen the pic before but totally forgot about it since in my mind which doesn't really like going to those types of conclusions, they're obviously about to engage in a 'man hug'. Only people/fish like acid and Peixinho would come up with that conclusion because of their dirty minds
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 30 2010, 12:44 PM
You are a meaniehead!
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2010, 12:55 PM
You are a meaniehead!It was the penguins
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 30 2010, 01:01 PM
Hah. See if I share Jack's rum with THEM again!
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 30 2010, 01:51 PM
To be honest, I can't imagine where during a man hug such a picture can be taken...
You're so naive!
Posted by: acid911 Aug 30 2010, 01:57 PM
You my friends are a hipocrate. Of the highest order, I may add.
Dirty minds, bah! See Zed.D got it, he's either very smart, or a straight shooter. Probably both. And you are just one clever little bird.
Posted by: Tennie Aug 30 2010, 02:01 PM
(Is the hippo a friend of Pola?)
Posted by: acid911 Aug 30 2010, 02:07 PM
You got that one right.
Pola like keeping influential friends at hand in case of penguin trouble!
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2010, 02:12 PM
You're so naive!
The part where the 2 people taking part in the man hug grab each other's hand and are about to bumb opposite shoulders
It's pretty obviousDon't you mean my friend, not friends, I am only one person after all
@ the fish, me and the penguins are Vodka people/animals, we don't need your rum
Posted by: acid911 Aug 30 2010, 02:18 PM
You caught me there!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 11 2010, 07:01 PM
Barca 0-2 Hercules.
Madrid 3 points tonight please.
Posted by: vahid Sep 11 2010, 07:03 PM
Barcelona 0 - 2 Hercules
Valdez twice.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 11 2010, 07:06 PM
Heaven! 
And agreed, Kurt, nothing less than 3 will do for Madrid.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 11 2010, 07:31 PM
Hopefully Madrid slip up again. Highly unlikely though 
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 11 2010, 08:56 PM
Carvalho gives Madrid the win. Should have been about 5-0.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 13 2010, 05:39 PM
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 13 2010, 06:23 PM
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2010, 07:20 PM
Gee, how much the Primera and Real gained with Mourinho. The bore-factor jumped for 200%.
I really hate this man and all his game-play brings into football.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 07:46 PM
I really hate this man and all his game-play brings into football.
I wonder how the Real fans take to him. Capello brought them the title, but they didn't like him because of his boring, defensive tactics, Mourinho brings the exact same thing to the table
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2010, 11:53 PM
If it were a few years ago, I think Jose would probably be disliked too, but the club just wants to start winning again. Mourinho is also helped by the fact he's a funny, media-friendly guy, Capello and Del Bosque are boring people.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 09:42 AM
Being serious about your work does not mean you're boring. Mourinho funny? He only likes to take swipes at people, I mean if you call that funny...
Posted by: Protagonist Sep 26 2010, 10:49 AM
Mourinho is anything but funny, the fact that he has won so much in less than a decade is substantial. Nevertheless, he is not a character I would consider to be amusing, others might disagree as he does have a strong fan base.
In terms of class, he doesn't have any. Hence, I cant really acknowledge why his name is being paired with Capello. Sure they share the tactically oriented gameplay; where they respectively produce a team that goes by the book with respect to tactics. But on the most part, they are completely different in their approach.
Fans at Madrid are enthusiastic about Mourinho, but they also shared the same sentiments when Capello started with them. The problem is not in media frenzy or his clown-esque status, the problem is he doesn't bring with him the total football or freeflowing gameplay that you would expect under Arsene Wenger for example. He will definitely bring in results, I expect that from him, yet he wont last long as he will most likely be booed at whenever he plays 'on the defense'. Considering the squad he has, you would expect total fooball, but that is something mourinho wont consider simply because it doesn't guarantee a consistent run for a title.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 26 2010, 11:58 AM
Capello and mourinho are completely different coaches.
Capello brings about him order, discpline and dicatorship. He doesn't develop a close relationship with the players or anyone for that matter. He's simply their to do his job and thats what he wants to be judged on.
In some places that works, fair enough. However, in some places like Madrid that isn't enough. If you are only interested in your job then you better bring about results in a fashionable way and capello did anything but that. He had alot of 1-0s and was knocked out of the CL early on.
Furthermore, at the end of the day madrid is madrid. They are arrogant and they want to have the best of everything. While capello is very well noted in Italy and some countries in europe for being a top notch coach, many countries will argue that there are better.
Mourinho is known worldwide as one of the best coaches in the world if not the best. That brings to madrid that arrogancy they desire. Thats why pellegrini was sacked, not because he did a poor job of coaching. Its that he was ridciulued falsely by the media in several occassions and that led to the people losing faith in him.
Mourinho is an expert in dealing with the media. So even if he has bad results, he can always defer the attention somewhere else and his status won't go down.
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Now in terms of actual ability. Mourinho is by far the best coach on this planet. You can call his style boring or whatever you want but he is the complete package.
1) Discipline
2) Systems
3) Relationship
4) Media
5) Results
Furthermore,
Fabio has a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabio_Capello; mourinho has a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mourinho.
This alone speaks volumes! 67% is the best in the world. Better than ferguson, wenger, you name it.
As a coach
Milan
Serie A (4): 1991–92, 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96
Supercoppa Italiana (3): 1992, 1993, 1994
UEFA Champions League (1): 1993–94
European Super Cup (1): 1994
Coppa Italia Primavera (1): 1984–85
Roma
Serie A (1): 2000–01
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2001
Juventus
Serie A (1): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked)
Real Madrid
La Liga (2): 1996–97, 2006–07
Individual
Serie A Coach of the Year: 2005
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award: 2009
Porto (2002–2004)
2003 Portuguese Liga
2003 Portuguese Cup
2003 UEFA Cup
2003 Portuguese Super Cup
2004 Portugese Liga
2004 UEFA Champions League
Chelsea (2004–2007)
2005 FA Premier League
2005 League Cup
2005 FA Community Shield
2006 FA Premier League
2007 League Cup
2007 FA Cup
Internazionale (2008–2010)
2008 Supercoppa Italiana
2009 Serie A
2010 Serie A
2010 Coppa Italia
2010 UEFA Champions League
The Treble (League, Cup and European trophy)
2002–03 with Porto: League, Cup and UEFA Cup
2009–10 with Internazionale: League, Cup and UEFA Champions League
Individual
UEFA Manager of the Year (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
Portuguese Liga Manager of the Year (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
Premier League Manager of the Year (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
Premier League Manager of the Month (3): November 2004, January 2005, March 2007
Serie A Manager of the Year (1): 2009
IFFHS World Manager of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
UEFA Champions League Manager of the Year (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
UEFA Team of the Year Coach of the Year (3): 2003, 2004, 2005
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award (1): 2005
Onze d'Or Coach of the Year (1): 2005
Premier League Manager of the Month (3): November 2004, January 2005, March 2007
World Soccer Magazine World Manager of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
International Sports Press Association Best Manager in the World (1): 2010 [64]
There really is no comparison. If he wins the La Liga he'll be the first coach to have won it in all 3 big leagues.
though saying all this...I rank capello quite highly as well. He is no doubt in the top 5.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2010, 01:01 PM
I agree that Jose won't last long in Spain, but I don't think he wants to. He'll win the title there and it's job done for him. The only other jobs I can see him taking in the future are the English and Portugese National Teams and United when Fergie calls it quits.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 01:57 PM
Capello brings about him order, discpline and dicatorship. He doesn't develop a close relationship with the players or anyone for that matter. He's simply their to do his job and thats what he wants to be judged on.
In some places that works, fair enough. However, in some places like Madrid that isn't enough. If you are only interested in your job then you better bring about results in a fashionable way and capello did anything but that. He had alot of 1-0s and was knocked out of the CL early on.
Furthermore, at the end of the day madrid is madrid. They are arrogant and they want to have the best of everything. While capello is very well noted in Italy and some countries in europe for being a top notch coach, many countries will argue that there are better.
Mourinho is known worldwide as one of the best coaches in the world if not the best. That brings to madrid that arrogancy they desire. Thats why pellegrini was sacked, not because he did a poor job of coaching. Its that he was ridciulued falsely by the media in several occassions and that led to the people losing faith in him.
Mourinho is an expert in dealing with the media. So even if he has bad results, he can always defer the attention somewhere else and his status won't go down.
Now in terms of actual ability. Mourinho is by far the best coach on this planet. You can call his style boring or whatever you want but he is the complete package.
1) Discipline
2) Systems
3) Relationship
4) Media
5) Results
Furthermore,
Fabio has a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabio_Capello; mourinho has a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mourinho.
This alone speaks volumes! 67% is the best in the world. Better than ferguson, wenger, you name it.
There really is no comparison. If he wins the La Liga he'll be the first coach to have won it in all 3 big leagues.
though saying all this...I rank capello quite highly as well. He is no doubt in the top 5.
Blue I noticed that you put a number to Cappello's achievements, while with Mourinho you split them one by one
Was that to make his rep sheet seem longer then Capello's? Imo, at the heart of the matter, both are the same type of coach, they'll get you the results you want, but they don't do it in style.
I think the Real fans are going along with the hype machine that is Mourinho for now, if for some reason the results don't come and the team is not playing that free flowing football the Real fans expect from their team, they will start getting on his back, I mean these are the same fans who were starting to turn on Zidane before he adjusted to the league, and booed Ronaldo as he was awarded the Golden Ball... Something tells me Mourinho won't be immune if he doesn't deliver what they expect, which is imo both the CL and the league. And we all know that Mourinho won't have the easy ride he had while with Inter in Spain.
Fact is Capello always delivered a big title wherever he went, whether that is Roma, Juve, Milan or Real
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2010, 02:08 PM
Was that to make his rep sheet seem longer then Capello's? That's the way they're listen on wiki, I don't think Blue did it like that himself.
You could say the same about Fabio in Spain. In his 2 seasons at Madrid, he failed to win 30 league games, that's quite alot, he got lucky that Barca were just as bad.
Jose has won stuff everywhere too, you could argue he's earned it the proper way, going through staff jobs into 'small-time' management then onto top clubs, rather than his playing career giving him a boost straight into the big time.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 03:48 PM
You could say the same about Fabio in Spain. In his 2 seasons at Madrid, he failed to win 30 league games, that's quite alot, he got lucky that Barca were just as bad.
Jose has won stuff everywhere too, you could argue he's earned it the proper way, going through staff jobs into 'small-time' management then onto top clubs, rather than his playing career giving him a boost straight into the big time.
Well whoever wrote it in wiki sure likes to kiss some @ss
He still delivered, no matter how many games he didn't win, and that's the same case with Mourinho
Isn't that what I'm saying? That both come from the same mold? They are both serial winners, wherever they go they win. But let's not go into the whole past player debate, if you're not good then you could have been the best player in the world in your time, that still doesn't change the fact that you're a sh!t coach, having a past playing carreer didn't bring Fabio those titles, it's because he's a good tactician.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2010, 04:05 PM
I never said his playing career bought him those titles, but his first job was Milan, probably when they were at their best too. He got a head-start in his managerial career. Jose had to go through staff jobs, assistant manager jobs and a small club before he got his big break (I wouldn't even say Porto are exactly a huge club), I think his success is much more of a s'tory' because he had to work hard to get where he is. Capello got the Milan job because his name was Fabio Capello.
I personally think Jose is better, but it's not by enough to say he's clearly better or anything.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 04:31 PM
I personally think Jose is better, but it's not by enough to say he's clearly better or anything.
I never said that the name due to his playing career didn't give Fabio a push, but had he not been good he would have made a bigger @ss out of himself if he failed at Milan rather then some Serie B or newly promoted club
Posted by: acid911 Sep 26 2010, 04:35 PM
I'm with Kurt on this one. Capello got a kick start with that timeless Milan teams. That's not discount his abilities, he did make it all work then. This is all a bit like Pep, straight away managing a top club. Mou had to work his way up, people still call him 'The Translator', I've seen opponent fans holding banners during matches.
Having said that, I fear his home record of not losing league matches will end in Real Madrid. 
I got this feeling.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2010, 04:44 PM
Capello did what good coaches would do at those teams and win, but most good coaches could do that. I'd like to see him do something big with a lesser team, you could even count England because we haven't won anything for so long. If he delivers us a major trophy, then that'll prove me wrong.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 04:58 PM
Capello got a kick start with that timeless Milan teams. That's not discount his abilities, he did make it all work then. This is all a bit like Pep, straight away managing a top club. Mou had to work his way up, people still call him 'The Translator', I've seen opponent fans holding banners during matches.Having said that, I fear his home record of not losing league matches will end in Real Madrid.
I got this feeling.You really can't compare him to Pep, the day Pep leaves Barca and has succes with other big teams in other countries you can start comparing.
Mourinho is more charismatic, while Capello is more of a serious character. Having said that it does not dether him from doing his job which is winning
If you're not cut out to coach you could have a top team in your hands and still manage to f*** it up in some way or another
As i said it did give him that extra help in landing the job etc, etc, but had he failed it would have been a massive fall, where as, if he were coaching a small time team it would be something he could recover from.EDIT, and at this point I don't think God himself can help England win a major trophy, let alone a mere mortal like Capello
Posted by: acid911 Sep 26 2010, 05:08 PM
Oh, not comparing, in any way.
Pep is a rabbit, this is his first club after all. And for the record, I am not so sure he will achieve the same level of success he has been doing with Barca, with any other smaller club. He is more than welcome to prove me wrong, though, if he ever leaves to a new one.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 26 2010, 05:50 PM
Mourinho is more charismatic, while Capello is more of a serious character. Having said that it does not dether him from doing his job which is winning
If you're not cut out to coach you could have a top team in your hands and still manage to f*** it up in some way or another
As i said it did give him that extra help in landing the job etc, etc, but had he failed it would have been a massive fall, where as, if he were coaching a small time team it would be something he could recover from.EDIT, and at this point I don't think God himself can help England win a major trophy, let alone a mere mortal like Capello
Mourinho is as charismatic as an orangatang
ps Capello has a mountainous task ahead of him.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 06:25 PM
ps Capello has a mountainous task ahead of him.
A mountain is a molehill compared to the English NT. What with teammates sleeping with eachothers wives. Players getting caught with their pants down cheating on their wives with prostitutes etc, etc
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2010, 06:56 PM
As i said it did give him that extra help in landing the job etc, etc, but had he failed it would have been a massive fall, where as, if he were coaching a small time team it would be something he could recover from.But I didn't say he was a bad coach, any decent coach can win with top teams. Of course bad coaches will mess it up, but then he's not bad. The very best coaches will win or massively over-acheive at any level.
Not while Blatter's got anything to do with football, no.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 08:25 PM
Not while Blatter's got anything to do with football, no.
I know that isn't what you said, but you're also saying that he had it easy considering he landed the Milan job when Milan had the team they had. And as a new coach he could just have easily messed that up no matter the team he had, instead he took Milan to an unbeaten run, 3 CL finals, including the best final the team has ever played in. This all in his first coaching job. Yes Mourinho worked his way up through the system and is somewhat of an inspiration to the average man who isn't a top player. But imo, being a top player in his time does not take anything away from Capello the coach. Who aside from Milan has achieved great things, namely with Roma and Real
knew you were going to say something along those lines. If Italy could win it when Blatter was in charge (wouldn't even hand them the cup in the ceremony) I'm sure England would to if they weren't such bottlers
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2010, 08:29 PM
Bottle has nout to do with officials not allowing 100% legit goals, Blatter does though.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 09:30 PM
What goal?
It didn't cross the line my friend! Get over it!!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 27 2010, 02:18 AM
And the one is '66 did, yet we've had to put up with the Germans boring moaning for half a century.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 27 2010, 02:45 PM
This one is enough to shut them up! I still can't believe that wasn't given. I was laughing so hard when I watched it, was watching the game with a bunch of England supporters in a bar, I nearly got trampled on
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 27 2010, 07:00 PM
I find it quite funny personally, both how an official can be so stupid and how every ridiculous incident seems to happen to us. It's very funny, in a sad way.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2010, 07:58 PM
With all due respect Kurt, every team thinks that. In Croatia every time we fail it's because of the referees, the system or some conspiracy. Only difference - England get's more publicity.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 28 2010, 02:02 AM
I didn't just mean a refereeing error, but there's always a contrpoversial moment or big talking point that happens in our games, either that or penalties. I'm to think of a competition where one of those 2 things hasn't happened!
Posted by: samira Oct 3 2010, 06:14 PM
Barcelona - Mallorca is playing and interessed cause Real Madrid got draw agianst Mallorca..
Posted by: William405 Oct 3 2010, 06:32 PM
Messi...Nice goal
Posted by: Zed.D Oct 3 2010, 09:35 PM
So... Barca draw and Real thrash Deportivo. Barca have finally slowed down a little.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2010, 09:41 PM
Deportivo getting thrashed is always good news.
Posted by: Zed.D Oct 3 2010, 09:41 PM
Still bitter?
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2010, 09:42 PM
Always.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 4 2010, 01:19 AM
Madrid were immense, never thought I'd see DI Maria score a header of that quality!
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2010, 04:39 PM
Oezil is such a quality player. Can't believe Madrid signed him for only €15 million. Bargain of the year.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 4 2010, 05:44 PM
Good goal but I thought he was pretty annonymous otherwise.
Still can't stop laughing at Marcelos failed attempt to save the goal with his hand, what was he thinking.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 7 2010, 01:54 AM
"He is a phenomenon worthy of study, a single copy and his replacement or clone does not exit," the Italian is quoted as saying by AS.com.
"Mourinho masterfully directs teams both tactically and psychologically.
"He is a great coach, denying it would be like denying that after day comes night."
goal.com
What now haters, what are you gonna say now huh!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: MizNelson Oct 7 2010, 02:25 AM
^ Yawn.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 7 2010, 02:38 AM
I don't think anyone does deny that Jose is a great coach, Blue, some just don't have the same sense of homour as him and don't like it.
Posted by: Zed.D Oct 7 2010, 10:54 AM
I think he's one of the greatest and most unique coaches ever, but sense of humor? he's deprived of any.
Posted by: Ry4n Oct 7 2010, 12:05 PM
Great coach his record speaks for its self , some of his peers hate the way he goes about his buisness but i guess they respect his coaching skills
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 7 2010, 03:27 PM
He is great, I admit it. True, he speaks bullshit quite often, but that way he attracts all tension around himself, leaving his players free of any pressure. It's a neat tactic, really.
Posted by: elcordobez Oct 9 2010, 12:34 AM
Mou lost his assistant Vilas Boa who's now Porto manager,Mou could be found out @ Madrid.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 14 2010, 10:52 AM
???? what???
I've met andre and I have to say hes a very nice guy. He was mou's assistant at inter but left to coach a small team in Portugal as a manager. He did well and is now moving up the ladder. He's a big upcoming coach and you'll see him take over some big teams in the future.
He's nothing like mourinho though, i've seen him coach live and he's very different. He's detail oriented like mourinho but he's also very hands on. He gets involved on the pitch and usually leads the practice.
Mourinho usually has another coach run his practices and he observes and takes notes.
On the psychological level they also different. You won't see Villas-Boas insulting people in the press anytime soon; he doesn't use the same psyc tactics that mourinho uses.
He's also attack minded unlike mourinho. He has a different mentality to the game.
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If your talking about mourinho's tactics and stuff being figured out lol; it won't happen. I asked him that very question myself. I asked him did you learn the mourinho method, did you study him etc.
He told me that mourinho didn't mentor him at all; he was a scout for him at chelsea and was then moved to assistant coach at Inter but he was playing more of an understudy role to some of the older Inter coaches like baressi and bernazzani.
He also told me mourinho doesn't do anything special or anything out of ordinary in his sessions. The only thing he is does is organization and motivating. The actual tactical work and training sessions were run by club coaches.
Mou makes the programs coaches runs them.
But the progams in themselves must be unreal as he's won so much. I didn't ask him specifics as I got like a min to talk him and I was with a whole bunch of other coaches who were bombarding him with questions.
Posted by: Zed.D Oct 16 2010, 07:42 PM
Barca 0-1 Valencia. 40th minute.
It'd be 0-2 now if it weren't for a great Valdes save. Barca do look shaky at the back.
2-1 to Barca now. Iniesta and Puyol score. the latter does a cutesy heart shaped hand celebration! 
Posted by: samira Oct 16 2010, 08:46 PM
No, I was so happy when Hernandez scored!
It would be great if the game ended draw.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 16 2010, 09:04 PM
Great second half by Barca. That what we used to seeing from them.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 16 2010, 11:00 PM
Higuain and Ronaldo with a pair each in a 4-1 win at Malaga. Brilliant.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 16 2010, 11:38 PM
It looks like Real are in top form. I really hope they don't kick our butts.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 17 2010, 07:11 AM
Higuain usually chokes on the CL big stage so I still have some hope. But the thought of them coming up against Bonera is what worries me. Nesta will have to work double time if we are to have any chance.
Having said that Real have their own shaky defenders, so we'll have chances.
Posted by: Zed.D Oct 17 2010, 11:17 AM
I didn't think Real were as mighty as the scoreline suggests. it was Malaga and we already know how in La Liga teams don't really bother to do pressing and all. we can stop them. if only Silva hadn't injured himself
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 17 2010, 12:23 PM
They beat Deportivo 6-1 (mwahahahaha) last game as well.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 17 2010, 12:54 PM
They are finding their stride imo, but as zeddie said, teams in La Liga play a wide open game, Malaga should have spread out a red carpet straight to their goal the way they let Real play. Same goes for Deportivo.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 19 2010, 12:43 PM
I hope barca don't win. Can't stand another barca victory
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 19 2010, 01:30 PM
I don't care, as long as Madrid don't win.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 19 2010, 02:17 PM
Same!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 19 2010, 02:17 PM
The winner of the classico will win the league
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 20 2010, 10:42 AM
Please let Valencia or Villareal win it!!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 20 2010, 05:40 PM
Can't see past Madrid.
Barca will suffer from Arsenal-syndrome this season, Zlatan may not have played well, but having a big man changes the way your opponents play against you. Now teams can sit back and counter, knowing that they will be difficult to get in behind and long balls won't work.
Madrid are a typical Jose team. Quick players to attack on the counter, a clever mindfield player to help break down teams and while they may only have 2 very good defenders, they're organised well at the back.
In my opinion, Jose will set up for 2 draws against Barca, because in my opinion, winning those games is Barca's only big chance of overtaking Madrid, they won't out-do them against t other 18 teams.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Oct 23 2010, 08:00 PM
This "one-trick" "show pony" "can't do it in any other league than the Premiership" "doesn't show up to big games" "wont make it in Spain" "overrated Portuguese winger"
Isn't doing too badly is he
Edit: Ok, that's when he'd scored 2, now it's just a joke.
Posted by: Zed.D Oct 23 2010, 09:11 PM
I think in terms of defensive quality, EPL is far and away better than La Liga so if Ronaldo can do it in EPL, he can certainly do it even better in La Liga!
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 24 2010, 12:16 AM
Yeah, I agree. The gap between top teams and the rest in Spain is just too big. Last season it was pretty ridiculous with almost 40 points difference between Barca (1st place) and Sevilla (4th place).
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 24 2010, 12:21 AM
11 games. 9 wins. 2 draws. 27 goals. 4 goals conceeded
So a coach that is ''boring'' and wins every game 1-0 are scoring an average of 2.5 a game and a team that ''can't defend'' is conceeding an average of 0.33 goals a game.
Boring, boring, Jose.
Posted by: Locke Lamora Oct 24 2010, 12:56 AM
Weren't Real just as dominant last season? The only difference this year is that Barca hasn't started off with a hypernova-style BANg which they kept up for the whole season. When you have Kaka, Higuain, Ronaldo, Oetzil AND Benzema in your team surely you should be able to put some goals past teams like Recreativo and Sociedad?
Posted by: servbot Oct 24 2010, 01:05 AM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it this way.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 24 2010, 01:24 AM
Well, last year we beat them in Madrid, and they also lost 4-0 to that third division team. This season they're devastating, you can feel it by watching their games. I'd put my money on them for La Liga.
Posted by: Locke Lamora Oct 24 2010, 01:53 AM
Still, when has Real cared about the Copa del Rey? Even Barca got hammered by Getafe in the Cup a couple of years ago, at the time when they were dominating La Liga. I remember Real being just as devastating under Pellegrino (when they after all finished with more points than any other season in their history).
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 24 2010, 02:07 AM
Copa del Rey or not, losing 4-0 to a third division team is quite pathetic. But forget that, the main reason why Madrid will win this season (I hope not) is because they simply have a much better team than last season, with a much better coach as well.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 24 2010, 12:36 PM
I'd agree with both thesis. It is naturally true that Mourinho is the better coach and that this squad is stronger for a duo of Özil and Khedira, plus Ricardo Carvalho.
On the other hand Barcelona is badly of. Years of winning and financial insecurty made their impact.
Also, I'd like to point out that teams with many national players usually performing well this season made a slower or even bad start - like Bayern München, HSV, Atletico, Juventus even Barca.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 25 2010, 04:09 AM
Sevilla won 4-3 in a very entertaining game today, though littered with refereeing mistakes. Villarreal beat Atletico 2-0.
Mourinho's unbeaten home record is now upto 140 games, going back 9 years. It's just getting silly now.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 26 2010, 01:39 AM
Miguel Garcia of Salamanca had a heart attack this weekend and was 'dead' for 25 seconds. Fortunately the ne law in Spain to have defibrillaters present at every sporting venue saved his life.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 26 2010, 05:01 AM
Oh man!
Posted by: Zed.D Oct 27 2010, 09:13 AM
Recovering from a heart attack at this age?! that's a miracle.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 21 2010, 12:30 AM
Barca won 8-0 at Almeria. Messi (3), Bojan (2), Iniesta, Pedro and OG.
Real beat Bilbao 5-1. Ronaldo (3, 1 pen), Ramos (pen) and Higuain for Madrid. Llorente for Bilbao.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 21 2010, 12:37 AM
This season we've seen way too many goleadas, but they've all come from inferior leagues such as the Scottish or Dutch league. I never thought we'd see a 0-8 result in Spain, even if it's Barcelona we're talking about.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 08:47 PM
El Clasico. 15 minutes. Hala Madrid.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 09:20 PM
2-0 already, Pepe and Casillas doing nothing to help.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 09:42 PM
Madrid penalty not given, Valdes should have been off too.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 09:50 PM
I'm wondering where all the Jose lovers are thus far.
Did you see Messi? He cheats like Ronaldo. I swear Carvalho was trying to lift his arms to show the linesman about Messi yet he feels the slightest touch and goes down, rightly booked.
Barca have played Madrid off the park so far, the first 20 odd minutes was something else.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 09:53 PM
They're probably, like Jose, asking the ref why they didnt get a penalty and why Valdes is still on the field.
I agree with your other point though, Ronaldo is always slagged off, but the attutide and cheating from the Barca players this half is on a whole new level.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 09:55 PM
Cheats like Ronaldo? LMAO, he overreacted but Carvalho clearly elbowed him. it's not like what Ronaldo did after Abate softly touched his ****ing neck!
Anyway, there not 1 ounce of dignity in that ****** ****. great footballer yes, but he's also a ****ing pig 
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 09:58 PM
Yeah, they surrounded Ronaldo for that nudge on Guardiola I give bigger pushes when I open doors and Valdes is a clown anyway, reminds me of Lehmann at times when he does this, great keeper but attitude is questionable.
If it were Ronaldo falling over from Carvalho there would be uproar, Messi is just as bad as the others.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 10:14 PM
Not a penalty. Ronaldo started to dive before Valdes touched him IMO.
Either way, Real are playing awful and are lucky to be down only 0:2.
3:0 already
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 10:15 PM
Haha, with all this OTT Jose loving on this forum I'm enjoying this.
LOL 4-0
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 10:16 PM
Somebody arrest Pep, this is ****.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 10:18 PM
The "special one" is getting whipped by a special team
Posted by: vahid Nov 29 2010, 10:19 PM
A Special lose for The Special One
LOL
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 10:19 PM
Messi's move and assist on the 4th goal was genius.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 10:23 PM
LOL 4-0
I think Mourinho is a great coach, but I enjoy seeing him lose. same for Ronaldo. it's all about the attitude. say all you want about Messi, but at least he's humble and not a ****.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 10:25 PM
I like Mourinho too, but some people go so over the top on this forum about him, surprisingly they're not logged on at the moment.
This team has been utterly outplayed tonight, and some of that does have to go down to the manager.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 10:29 PM
We are now in the humiliation phase
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 10:30 PM
Ok he deserves to go for that, even the ref feels sorry now.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 10:32 PM
Yeah, a clear red card.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 10:32 PM
That had make up call written all over it.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 10:32 PM
This team has been utterly outplayed tonight, and some of that does have to go down to the manager.
yeah bluesummers to name one!
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When Man U easily beat and eliminated Inter 2 years ago Mou came out and admitted they were better and his team wasn't good enough etc etc. I'm almost sure he'll say the same thing tonight.
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Carvalho handball. yellow given instead of red..
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 10:39 PM
Messi gotta score the fifth. The icing on the cake.
BTW, this is gonna be the first time ever that one of the teams beats the other 5 times in a row.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 10:44 PM
Did Ozil play tonight? man, he was completely invisible!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 10:44 PM
BTW, this is gonna be the first time ever that one of the teams beats the other 5 times in a row.
Madrid won 6 straight in the early 60s.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 10:50 PM
Yes Jose, yes - where's Blue?
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 10:50 PM
Even Jeffron scores
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 10:51 PM
Wow someone just got punched.
Damn sending off cheating tactics it's only 5-0
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 10:52 PM
Puyol joining the Barca circus act, diving around on the floor.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 10:53 PM
You see these scenes and can't believe they're Spain teammates...
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 10:56 PM
Did Ronaldo do anything remarkable except some FKs?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 10:57 PM
Jesus, he can't play well in every game.
Not much you can do without King Higuain.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 10:58 PM
Think he was the only person who actually shot for Madrid, and probably should have got a pen in the 1st half.
I guess it's not too easy when the rest of your team is having an even more pathetic performance. Benzema, Di Maria, Ozil all embarrassments tonight if we are going on Ronaldo doing nothing philosophy.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 10:59 PM
There are no friends in the El Clásico.
Barca humiliated Madrid without mercy
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 10:59 PM
Haha even dst has logged in to compliment Jose
Not much you can do without King Higuain.
Messi can
I don't think Real's problem was Higuain's absence. they couldn't create anything.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 29 2010, 11:01 PM
All I have to say is:
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 11:01 PM
Ah, just not at home against almighty sides like Hercules, I guess.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 11:03 PM
I guess it's not too easy when the rest of your team is having an even more pathetic performance. Benzema, Di Maria, Ozil all embarrassments tonight if we are going on Ronaldo doing nothing philosophy.
This is a serious question: was Ozil playing? I swear I didn't see him tonight!!
Anyhow, you're right. they were pathetic as a team and one can't single handedly do anything about it. I give him that. and I'm not saying this cause I'm not a CR7 fan, but I don't think that scene was a penalty. he went down slightly before contact was made.
Posted by: dst Nov 29 2010, 11:04 PM
ahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!
How sweet was that!!!!?????!!!?? What's the word... come on... oh yeah I got it... that was ****ing SPECIAL!
Up your *** Arrogant One. Take this free football lesson and enjoy it!!
And what a surprise that RM's players resorted to thuggery when the match slipped out of their hands... The Arrogant One's teams never do that. Where's Del Horno these days by the way, he was the best at The Arrogant One's favorite game, "let's kick Messi"!
too bad they only scored 5, it could have been 10!
what a ****ing wonderful day!!!
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 11:05 PM
Sure. I wonder how they're friends in the Spain NT camp. what Ramos did to Puyol and Xavi (?) wasn't nice at all.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 11:05 PM
Yeah he was I saw him once... placing the ball for a free-kick for Ronaldo, think he tried a back heel in the first half but that's about all I remember.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 11:07 PM
El classicos matter!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 11:08 PM
What!? Ozil ad Khedira single-handedly won the game today.
Posted by: dst Nov 29 2010, 11:09 PM
Oh by the way, I wonder what The Arrogant One would say if a Barcelona player had pushed him over like Cristine did to Pep... the guy calls a press silence when the refs dare not to favor his team...
... I know I said this again but what a ****ing night!!! Thank you Barcelona!!!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 11:09 PM
Not really. They help, but those 6 points mean very little in comparison to the other 108 points you play for.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 11:10 PM
Yeah, by being completely invisible. I was Khedira enough to remember him, but honestly didn't see Ozil's face in a close-up even once. when the kid chokes, he absolutely chokes!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 11:12 PM
It's a thing of beauty. Can't stand the overrated little prick. He shows absoloutely no care for the game at all, it's just a job to him. Which is why I don't really mind tonights result, because I can't stand half the Madrid team.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 11:13 PM
OK, but it's not like Messi doesn't do anything in those other games... every player has their off-days. and I'm not the biggest Messi fan anyway, I've never bought the best player on earth and best player in history claims..
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 11:14 PM
Last season those 6 points decided the title, especially the game in Madrid. Where was Ronaldo then? In the league like La Liga when two teams are much stronger and win 90% of the games, those games matter. Hercules is the exception and proves nothing. Tonight we saw who's the better team and it's not even close.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 11:15 PM
... I know I said this again but what a ****ing night!!! Thank you Barcelona!!!
Ronaldo really outdid himself what that.. really ugly.
Hadn't noticed that.. yeah he looks like he doesn't care sometimes. but I think he's got talent.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 29 2010, 11:15 PM
Guys, Barcelona is BY FAR the best club in the world. It has been so in the last 5 years. There's no need to discussed which of the two sides is better.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 29 2010, 11:15 PM
This made me smile. 
Oh by the way, Ozil was subbed in the second half. But I get your point, then the kid flops he mops.
Still has a lot to learn, but when the entire engine is not working, then very little a coach or in this case Real Madrid players can do. Almost everyone was bad today, and those who weren't did not stand a chance because of the disjointed team.
Posted by: dst Nov 29 2010, 11:15 PM
Not in Barcelona's and RM's case. They practically have no competition in La Liga. RM gathered a record (for them) 96 points last season (something of course all of Mou's fanboys forget when they say that he has turned RM into a team... they piled up 96 points for ****s sake they were a damn great team)... Barcelona had 99... and Barcelona won both classico's...
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 11:16 PM
If anyone else lose it's the managers fault, if Madrid lose loads of the blame seems to go to Ronaldo?
Guys, Mourinho got out done completely and utterly the way the team was set up just doesn't work.
Jose had a bad night, a very, very bad night.
Posted by: dst Nov 29 2010, 11:19 PM
Still has a lot to learn, but when the entire engine is not working, then very little a coach or in this case Real Madrid players can do. Almost everyone was bad today, and those who weren't did not stand a chance because of the disjointed team.I don't think there was a problem with RM's engine or anything. The Arrogant One is by far the best there is in making his players give their all and play their best... they were simply outclassed in every possible way by Barcelona's player today though and were made to look that bad. It was all over at 2-0 anyway the way Barcelona were playing, everything after that is not the real picture.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 29 2010, 11:20 PM
This made me smile. Oh by the way, Ozil was subbed in the second half. But I get your point, then the kid flops he mops.
Still has a lot to learn, but when the entire engine is not working, then very little a coach or in this case Real Madrid players can do. Almost everyone was bad today, and those who weren't did not stand a chance because of the disjointed team.LOL fail of the night!
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Subbed in the HT or in the course of the game? why did I not see him? lol
It's true what you say, but some tried more than the others. Ronaldo couldn't do much but he always tried. whereas Ozil didn't..
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 11:20 PM
Agreed.. Which is why it'll be that much bigger an acheivement when Jose wins the title with such an inferior team.
Posted by: dst Nov 29 2010, 11:24 PM
Guys, Mourinho got out done completely and utterly the way the team was set up just doesn't work.
Jose had a bad night, a very, very bad night.
Like I said in my post above I don't think any one individual should be blamed for this loss. Barcelona have a better team and they've been together like this and under the same coach for 3 seasons now... they were better tonight and they made RM look much worse than they really are. I think this is one of the cases when one has to admit that his opponent is just better... this RM team right not would never have won with Barcelona playing like that.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 11:25 PM
It'll be fun to see Barca humiliating Jose again, this time in Madrid. But I'm sure Jose groupies will find some new excuse by then.
Posted by: Locke Lamora Nov 29 2010, 11:26 PM
Oh Bluey, where art thou?
Posted by: acid911 Nov 29 2010, 11:26 PM
I agree, dst (oh it feels good having you on board after all this time), but Real's team blew it too. No way will a new team that bought a bunch of first XI player this year, and particularly the one with probably the crappiest defense in the world, is gonna go head-to-head with this Barcelona.
The Special One got a special one today, I'll be the first to admit it. Madrid as a team missed someone like Kaka, and most of their players could in no way stand in the same line with their opponents (one who has a high team chemistry, plus settled players). Don't tell me duds like Khedira, Pepe, Marcello can hack it with Xavi and company. No sir.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 11:26 PM
Not true. The English NT is worse. We win? OMGz Capelloo is God! We lose? "englund iz ful ov ovartd plyrs!"
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 11:27 PM
True, good to see you back anyway!
What?! They were calling him the prat in the hat the other day. Everyone was having a go at Capello, playing Gerrard out of position etc. It goes from Capello = God, to we should have an English manager, someone who understands how we play.
Posted by: dst Nov 29 2010, 11:28 PM
RM is inferior to Barcelona but there's 19 more teams compared to which they are much better... for him to win the league he will have to beat Barcelona cause RM can't get 6 points more than Barcelona against the rest of the teams.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 11:29 PM
Which 19 teams are they then?
Posted by: dst Nov 29 2010, 11:33 PM
thanks!
you play 4-4-2, everyone understands that!
?? what do you mean, I guess my post was a big mess and you did not understand anything... ?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 11:34 PM
I was talking about on here. We walk into the WC and everyone says it's because of Capello. We put up our worst showing in a World Cup tournement for about 30 yars and then suddenly it's the players fault.
Posted by: dst Nov 29 2010, 11:34 PM
OK... 18 teams...
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 29 2010, 11:35 PM
Ohhhh, now I get you. Yeah that's the fun international debates, then it will be a personal attack because we are supporting our country. And how you and I think we are going to win everything just because we rate one of our players. That's MilanFan at it's best I think
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 11:36 PM
Even Pellegrini wasn't humiliated like that last season.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 11:38 PM
At least it didn't take you too long to figure it out.
Yep.
I can't say anything negative or positive about England now without getting criticised one way or the other!
We can hardly make fun of Real tonight after what Jose did to us last season, twice!
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 11:41 PM
Yes we can. It has nothing to do with Milan and I don't see how what you just said is relevant to the topic.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2010, 11:45 PM
You're making fun of a guy who was manager of Inter not 6 months ago..
It was more a shot at hypocrisy on this forum if anything. God forbid Jose ever says anything to the media after a win and he's arrogant.. yet people do exactly the same to him after a loss. Hmm, strange that.
Posted by: Locke Lamora Nov 29 2010, 11:46 PM
Even Pellegrini? The man who took Real Madrid to 96 points, more than anyone else in the club's history?
Posted by: acid911 Nov 29 2010, 11:48 PM
I'm with ya, bro!
But to do that he'll need to win against Barca in Madrid in a few month's time. Anything less than 3 points and you are playing with fire.Yeah, amazing how much of a difference swapping two letters makes.
English is a funny language after all. These things don't have nearly as often in other script based languages.Ozil is overrated anyway.
At least right now. He needs time. And secondly I agree Ronaldo couldn't do much. You can put Messi or any other player in his place and he would have flopped too. That's my point about a disjointed Madrid. Bercelona's team chemistry allows their players to combine and play off of each others strengths. Not so much the case for RM at the moment.
Exactly.
And I agree too with your earlier comment.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 11:51 PM
It was more a shot at hypocrisy on this forum if anything. God forbid Jose ever says anything to the media after a win and he's arrogant.. yet people do exactly the same to him after a loss. Hmm, strange that.
So what? Just because he beat Milan a year ago with a different team I my add, we are not allowed to make fun of him ever again? Please. Not everybody is Jose fanboy and if the result of today's game was the opposite, you would see all of those fan boys prasing and elating him forever.
You make it sound like he did once or twice. He's doing that all the time. He's as arrogant as a person can be.
Posted by: dst Nov 29 2010, 11:54 PM
you biatch!
Yes we can and he beat a pretty mediocre team playing for a rookie coach... that's hardly... what's the word... special! Besides, this is us talking as football fans...
It was more a shot at hypocrisy on this forum if anything. God forbid Jose ever says anything to the media after a win and he's arrogant.. yet people do exactly the same to him after a loss. Hmm, strange that.
In my defense, I always criticize him not just now!
It's not that same to say something to the media and say something in a forum or in a stadium anonymously... as great a coach as he is, I've never known anyone connected to football who's as classless as he is. And... he causes that... don't say it's because he's winning... Pep has been winning almost everything and I don't think anyone would react like this had Barcelona lost... you get what you deserve!
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 29 2010, 11:54 PM
He wasn't as bad as people made hime to be. Barca was just too strong. But the CL loss to Lyon was pretty bad.
Posted by: dst Nov 29 2010, 11:56 PM
THANK YOU!!!
They deserved to go through. They would not have won it all but for the first time in years they were the better team in the knock-out stage.
Posted by: dst Nov 30 2010, 12:00 AM
I'm just thinking... even Panathinaikos scored a goal there...
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 30 2010, 12:00 AM
No disagreement here, but it's a never-ending cycle. He's going to now be OTT arrogant after a win because people mock him when he loses. Because he's OTT arrogant after a win, people will mock him when he loses. Everyone's to blame!
I think Jose has always had a chip on his shoulder. From how I see it, he's always resented the way he was treated at Barca, they basically looked down on him. That's where his drive comes from, the reason he feels to shove at back at everyone, in my opinion.
You see his reaction when they knocked Barca out at the Camp Nou last season? There's certainly something there, that's not something he does all the time.
Agreed. The loss against Lyon was down to Higuain too, he had some routine chances that he puts aay for fun in Spain and just missed them. Pelligrini just wasn't a big enough name for Madrid, which is a bit sad actually, your name should mean nothing.
Posted by: dst Nov 30 2010, 12:08 AM
You see his reaction when they knocked Barca out at the Camp Nou last season? There's certainly something there, that's not something he does all the time.
There's certainly something there from both sides but it all started when The Arrogant One was at Chelsea and they were playing Barcelona. That's when the Barcelona crowd turned against him, his comments and way of celebrating were not exactly... friendly.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 30 2010, 12:12 AM
Let's find out who started this in the first place?
Mourinho when he got arrogant after a win, or people who mocked him after he lost. The thing about this guy is that he almost always has the last laugh. Most people who were in the anti-Mou camp earlier, not at least admit that he knows a thing or two about coaching.But yeah, for some his over-the-top attitude is his charm, for others it is poison.
Posted by: dst Nov 30 2010, 12:20 AM
Mourinho when he got arrogant after a win, or people who mocked him after he lost. The thing about this guy is that he almost always has the last laugh. Most people who were in the anti-Mou camp earlier, not at least admit that he knows a thing or two about coaching.Whoever does not admit The Arrogant One is a great coach just can't see past his hatred for him. There's no doubt he is great, not so tactically in my view, but in the way he manages the squad, the choices he makes on who's going to play and the mental aspect which is as important as anything in all of sports. His players are always fired up! But as a man he's **** and worthless. He's what has turned my away from football and in effect this forum, I just can't stand hear such praise for such a person.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 30 2010, 12:41 AM
This.
I can name half a dozen better tacticians than him, but the guy knows how to manage a squad. Heck, he even helped turn our cross-town losers into treble winners. inter players take the credit too, but Mou was the main difference maker. The catalyst.I am no way near a fan of him, though, I respect him for what he is, dislike him for what he does sometimes, and wish him Goodluck and Godspeed to stuff Barca where the sun doesn't shine.
Really dislike that team and some of my least favorite players play there, starting with that "Prick of Pricks" Valdez.So very sorry to hear that.
Anyway, now that he got his special treatment, I hope you come back online from now on. At least during and after the matches, if you are busy. Besides it never occurred to me blind love for Mourinho and his shenanigans here in Milanfan.There's Blue, but then again he's Blue.
The guy will probably find something funny in a scale-9 earthquake!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 30 2010, 01:51 AM
Acid, your comment on Blue...leaves me no comment.
Haha, this Milanfan-Classico night shows all the richness of todays football. We've got everything, sceptics, optimists, pessimists, people who still can't surpass their World Cup bitterness, unstoppable haters and similary unstoppable fanboys, thinkers and doers. Very happy with reading all of your comments.
Nice to have you back dst - it's like taking a step back in time to a different era.
Posted by: Fishdoll Nov 30 2010, 02:09 AM
The blind love for Mourinho is another of the big turn offs for me for this place. But anyway.....
Asfaltato.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 30 2010, 02:23 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/30/jose-mourinho-real-madrid-barcelona
I suppose some will take this as being arrogant somehow.
Posted by: Ry4n Nov 30 2010, 05:28 AM
I suppose some will take this as being arrogant somehow.
Good stuff shows the most arrogant people can have humility at times even in defeat, but i do strongly believe he does it all for the media and it tactically works with his "mind games" ect , he might be a different person at home who knows we all won't all im saying is people have there "work face's" and when they get home they relax and are a different person damn it sounds like im defending him lol i do despise his mind games but he does it well and gets under your skin
, It really show his inept ability tacitcs wise to counter barcelona maybe hes met his match with Guardiola he did seem to have his tactics very well thought out shame it went to handbags at the end and who touted Ramos as the next "Maldini" can eat there words i saw a materazzi type player out there a sore loser... anyway the away trip to Madrid is marked on my calender , and i won't hide that im rooting for Barcelona to win The fluidity in which Barca played with there high line was just football at its best i doubt we will see a game that perfect for one side and so utterly dismal for the other Madrid can get there pride back when they next play though but Barca i think is going to laud that over R.Madrid for along time to come hell we still do over inter 6-0 away never forget that one....do we
Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 30 2010, 07:01 AM
it seems everyone wants a response out of me lol.
I'll be honest I haven't watched the game yet due to school and coaching going on in my own life but I have recorded the game and I will share my feelings after I watch it.
But what i have to say now is i'm shocked, no comments. Its almost impossible to believe.
you telling me mourinho losing 5-0 is like you telling me you saw a flying pig in the sky.
Posted by: Protagonist Nov 30 2010, 08:20 AM
Owned
As a matter of fact, aside from Barca's 'out of this world' display, Madrid did not play as a team at all. When Mourinho was at Inter, he had a rock solid team that functioned as one unit. Sadly the same can not be said about Madrid last night. They were too reckless, very intimidated and divided amongst each other.
On hindsight, Madrid might have been handed an easier result to swallow had Mourinho opted for his famed 4-5-1. To close down the spaces in their own half and spring the counters is how he reached the final last season. Yet last night, it all went wrong; Madrid tried to close space at their own half, but Barca was so fluid and determined. I saw Messi running after defenders and snatching away ball after ball, the same could not be said of CR. That IMO was the reason why Barca won, and with such a huge margin.
Nevertheless, this result will serve as a catalyst for Mourinho to bring the best out of his team. Knowing they have hit rock bottom, there is only one way to go and that is up. It is too early to mention this, but if Mourinho does not deliver a trophy at the end of this season or receives another humiliating defeat in the return leg or in a Champions League Knock-out, I believe it will be the end of his journey with Madrid.
Posted by: dst Nov 30 2010, 08:23 AM
I suppose some will take this as being arrogant somehow.
Okay so we now know that 5 are enough to shut this guy up! And I don't want to disappoint him (well I do) but this actually is a humiliation!
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 30 2010, 09:11 AM
As a matter of fact, aside from Barca's 'out of this world' display, Madrid did not play as a team at all. When Mourinho was at Inter, he had a rock solid team that functioned as one unit. Sadly the same can not be said about Madrid last night. They were too reckless, very intimidated and divided amongst each other.
On hindsight, Madrid might have been handed an easier result to swallow had Mourinho opted for his famed 4-5-1. To close down the spaces in their own half and spring the counters is how he reached the final last season. Yet last night, it all went wrong; Madrid tried to close space at their own half, but Barca was so fluid and determined. I saw Messi running after defenders and snatching away ball after ball, the same could not be said of CR. That IMO was the reason why Barca won, and with such a huge margin.
Nevertheless, this result will serve as a catalyst for Mourinho to bring the best out of his team. Knowing they have hit rock bottom, there is only one way to go and that is up. It is too early to mention this, but if Mourinho does not deliver a trophy at the end of this season or receives another humiliating defeat in the return leg or in a Champions League Knock-out, I believe it will be the end of his journey with Madrid.
The truest post since last night!
I think Mourinho needs more time. he didn't do anything particular with Inter in his first season either.. got easily eliminated by Man U and we all were "haha Inter will never win the CL". less than 12 months and they eliminate Chelsea and Barca and win the thing for the first time in almost half a century. so it was never gonna be easy for him in his first el classico. definitely not justifying the result, 5-0 is a humiliation and must not have happened, but a loss was expected. as Mourinho said himself, Barca are a finished product, Real are still in the building process. I think the return game at Bernabeu will be very different.
I've always believed he's a great coach (in the way dst explained) and always will. every great coach has lost like this some times. his personality and attitude is another thing and I like everyone else despise it and always want to see him lose these games cause it makes me feel good! but bottom line is, they guy usually has the last laugh... we won't forget that after his time at Inter.
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Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 30 2010, 10:34 AM
Worst thing is how low Madrid fell yesterday - and that was not when they already conceeded; they tried to deceave the referee and the people watching. All these small dirty tricks, unnescessary reactions, etc.
Posted by: Ry4n Nov 30 2010, 10:47 AM
I believe it will be the end of his journey with Madrid.
I beg to differ they will stick with him regardless of a trophyless season Peres will let him build and get the team sorted like he did at inter...
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 30 2010, 11:14 AM
Simply because there is no one better at the moment. It's alright though. He'll probably beat Valencia and snatch a 1-0/2-0 in the second Clasico...and it's all gonna be back to normal.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 30 2010, 11:40 AM
, It really show his inept ability tacitcs wise to counter barcelona maybe hes met his match with GuardiolaVery good post. I certainly agree with the 'we don't see the real Jose' part. If he was a horrible, arrogant person who really believes he's above everyone, then there's absoloutely no way in hell Chelsea and Inter players react the way they did when he left.
Though I wouldn't say he's met his match in Guardiola as he tactically out did him not once, but twice, last season. I do, however, think Jose got it very wrong last night. It doesn't help that alot of his players aren't fighters, how many really looked like they cared last night? Ronaldo did, same goes for Ramos and Carvalho, but the rest? There just didn't seem any effort from some, it's like they didn't understand the importance of the game. At Inter he had players who would literally fight for him, guys who play with their heart on their sleeve like Cambiasso, Stankovic, etc.
Hopefully we'll see a back line of Maicon - Ramos - Carvalho - LB for the next Clasico, Pepe is just awful. Not sure what top LBs are available? Ashley Cole is always rumoured with a move to Madrid, but I just can't see it.
Posted by: dst Nov 30 2010, 05:20 PM
We should ask his wife she left him!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 30 2010, 05:37 PM
Really?
Posted by: han2503 Nov 30 2010, 09:20 PM
She probably didn't have any room to fit herself in along with the ego
Posted by: Ry4n Nov 30 2010, 10:06 PM
Maybe theres a opening for Blue there
just kidding Blue
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 1 2010, 01:36 AM
Just been watching ESPN Press Pass, 2 of the stats they showed really stood out for me.
636 passes completed by Barca.
Xavi completed 114 passes out of 117.
Both just crazy stats. You couldn't even do that on FIFA on Ametuer!
Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 1 2010, 02:14 AM
Before scoring one of the goals (first or second), Barca completed about 22 passes without Real player touching the ball. Crazy stuff.
Xavi is an amazing player.
Posted by: Ry4n Dec 1 2010, 02:59 AM
Xavi is an amazing player.
that reminded me of Argetina in the 2006 world cup passing alot then goal
Posted by: Bluesummers Dec 1 2010, 04:32 AM
Terrible game all Jose's fault. Everything was wrong. He took a huge tactical gamble and it didn't work out and bit him in the *** hard!!!
all I have to say is he'll needs a striker come January or he's going to continuously suffer in big games like this.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 1 2010, 05:10 AM
Well, he could hardly help Higuain being injured, but yeah, Benzema is no very good at all and needs replacing. With that said, what service was Benzema expected to work off? Madrid touched the ball about 5 time in the Barca half!
Posted by: Bluesummers Dec 1 2010, 06:46 AM
nah higuain and benzema are average. Im talking ibra level striker. He needs a worldclass striker bad.
Posted by: Bluesummers Dec 1 2010, 07:20 AM
My take on the game:
You cant take anything away from barca; they were phenominal. Best team on earth by far and they are almost impossible to stop.
You jockey them and give them space they will kill you with their passing; You pressure them they will kill you with their dribbling. The movement off the ball is out of this world and can only be done if the players you have on the field have been practicing that for years and years. 10+ at least!
In regards to mourinho well its pretty simple what he tried to do tactically. Defend with a deep back line and 2 dmf to break up midfield play. On attack launch the ball and win the air ball and flick it on for players like ronaldo and di maria and ozil to attack.
That didn't work well because everyone other than ronaldo isn't good enough to compete against barca's back line. Even ronaldo suffered greatly.
Second half he brought in a high defensive line and tried to pressure barca to create goal scoring oppurtunities via a possession game. He wanted to defend with offside trap.
Well....you see how that worked lol; 3 goals in second half.
Madrid didn't play a bad game; they didn't even play at all. Mourinho tried to follow a similar game plan that inter had but what he lacked was someone like millito winning air balls and winning 50 50s and a back line that was almost impossible to break through.
Carvalho and pepe are nowhere close to samuel and lucio. ramos and maicon. marcello and chivu. Mourinho had grit and power at inter and that made him succeed. At madrid...well he doesnt really have anything. Just ronaldo.
and mourinho said it after the game. They just werent good enough. I don't think he meant in terms of play; I think he meant in terms of quality of players.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 1 2010, 08:32 AM
higuain is cclass imo as for benzema he needs to leave madrid
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Dec 1 2010, 09:34 AM
Higuain couldn't tie Batigol's boots.
@Bluey: So this means Carlo is not the only coach around who can't play without a top team at his disposal???!!!
Posted by: Bluesummers Dec 1 2010, 11:16 PM
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 1 2010, 11:27 PM
He won the European Cup with Ferreira, Nuno Valente, Machine, Mandes in his first XI.
Posted by: Bluesummers Dec 2 2010, 09:43 AM
The most important thing is the mental aspect of players.
If you lack the quality but fully believe in yourself you will do great things. Self belief is the most powerful tool a soccer player can have.
Madrid right now doesn't have that. Furthermore, the media, the fans, the board don't do a very good job developing that. They put more and more pressure and a result like this destroys everything mourinho has done for the last 2 months.
He has to restart again and build that confidence from the ground up. Don't be surprised if madrid draw their next game.
With his porto players he had built that inner belief to its limit. That is why they went out against Man U and fought for the win.
Inter were no different. Before Mourinho they lacked the self belief. It took him over a year to build it but he finally did and great things were achieved.
Mental aspect+technical quality= success.
Right now I hate to admit it but Galliani has a point when he says were always interested in "champions"
Posted by: Locke Lamora Dec 2 2010, 03:27 PM
After spending what they did in the summer, they bloody well should be under pressure to perform.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 10 2010, 05:34 PM
Barcelona have agreed a £125million deal with the Qatar Foundation for the sponsorship rights on their jerseys
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11827_6565558,00.html
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 10 2010, 06:31 PM
So, they'll have both UNICEF and Qatar Foundation on their shirts? That should look weird.
Posted by: Zed.D Dec 13 2010, 04:13 PM
Good. they can't boast about not having a shirt sponsor/not making any profits out of it anymore.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 14 2010, 02:20 AM
What's Messi's record this season? Must be ridiculous.
Posted by: Zed.D Dec 14 2010, 09:25 AM
He's level with CR7 iinm.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 14 2010, 03:34 PM
In La Liga only:
Messi scored 17, assisted 9 in 13 matches (only 1 from penalty).
CR7 scored 17, assisted 5 in 15 matches (4 penalties).
Posted by: Zed.D Dec 14 2010, 04:20 PM
So it's safe to say he's done better than Ronaldo.
Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 19 2010, 03:08 AM
So the Barcelona derby was tonight. Espanyol did slightly better than Real: it was 5-1.
Nice moment toward the end of the game, too. The clubs and their fans really don't like each other much, but relations thawed a fair bit at the World Cup because of the message Iniesta had on his jersey (Dani Jarque sempre con nosotros) in honor of the memory of the Espanyol captain who died. When Iniesta was subbed off, he was given a standing ovation by the Espanyol fans and players. There was a sign for him too:
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Dec 19 2010, 11:35 AM
Messi scored 17, assisted 9 in 13 matches (only 1 from penalty).
CR7 scored 17, assisted 5 in 15 matches (4 penalties).
Messi also did better in Europe, though compared with the teams Madrid got it was practically a glorified bye into the knock-out stages.
Messi also has far better players around him, if anyone is to believe the FIFA World Player Of The Year stuff anyway so he is bound to score more than Ronaldo, who pretty much has to create all of his own chances when compared.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 19 2010, 11:35 AM
La Liga is so disappointing. Any team outside the top 6/7 is really bad.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 19 2010, 12:17 PM
I think any team out of the top 3 is really bad ... SPL is like this really;
Home: Madrid v Barca = X
Away: Barca v Madrid = Y
Home - Away = SPL Winners
Its a farce really.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 19 2010, 12:36 PM
Yep, indeed.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 19 2010, 11:43 PM
Real Madrid 1-0 Sevilla
That was a very poor performance by Madrid. Lucky goal and lucky victory, considering the colossal opportunity wasted by Negredo only a few minutes earlier.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 20 2010, 08:24 AM
Sevilla have been real poor so far.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 20 2010, 02:13 PM
Aye. Fifth defeat in a row in La Liga.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Dec 22 2010, 11:37 PM
7-0. Benzema gets a hat-trick. Ronaldo gets another hat-trick. Ridiculously good, and Kaka's back next month... I think this team would walk over any other league in the planet.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Dec 23 2010, 01:10 AM
They still managed to get 5 from Barca and score none - so they aren't that amazing.
It just goes to show the distance between the 'big sides' and small sides in Spain (& even England)
And yes, I am aware it was Copa Del Rey, but still these type of scores occur quite frequently in the aforementioned leagues. (and btw it finished 8-0 to Real - our friend Pedro Leon scored in the dying minutes yet again)
Some competitive leagues those are supposed to be... bleh!
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Dec 23 2010, 01:26 AM
It just goes to show the distance between the 'big sides' and small sides in Spain (& even England)
And yes, I am aware it was Copa Del Rey, but still these type of scores occur quite frequently in the aforementioned leagues. (and btw it finished 8-0 to Real - our friend Pedro Leon scored in the dying minutes yet again)
Some competitive leagues those are supposed to be... bleh!
But Barca are on another level to anyone on their day, simple as.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Dec 23 2010, 03:52 AM
Fair enough - I agree on that.
I just thought by your statement you were somehow implying the same about Real Madrid
(...apologies on my false assumptions)
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Dec 23 2010, 12:12 PM
I just thought by your statement you were somehow implying the same about Real Madrid
(...apologies on my false assumptions)
To be fair I think Madrid, at the moment would win other leagues such as the Serie A, EPL. They are just unfortunate to have Barca in their league!
Posted by: Zed.D Dec 23 2010, 09:35 PM
They have a stronger opponent in Barca, but there are more pushovers in La Liga than anywhere else. I'm not sure Madrid would have the same winning record outside of La Liga.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 31 2010, 01:54 AM
Malaga have been busy.
Signed Demichelis from Bayern on loan and Asenjo from Atletico on loan. Baptista from Roma and Camacho from Atletico on permanent deals.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 31 2010, 02:05 AM
Baptista's career surely went downhill. From Madrid to Arsenal to Roma to Malaga. I've always thought he had potential and was wasted in bench at Roma.
Posted by: Fishdoll Jan 2 2011, 07:58 PM
This fish feels completely justified in his pick of Pedro as favourite Barca player.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 10 2011, 02:38 AM
Ronaldo scored yet another hat-trick last night, against Villareal. Messi still in another league to this guy?
Kaka got on the scoresheet too.
Guess who supplied the assist! Actually, why bother?!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 10 2011, 02:51 AM
I take it you've just being watching the recap show on SS2 at the moment?
Great game, Kaka' only touched the ball about 3 times, 1 lead to a goal, the other was a goal!
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 10 2011, 07:37 AM
Great game, Kaka' only touched the ball about 3 times, 1 lead to a goal, the other was a goal!
Yeah was flicking a bit between when it was on and the American Football.
Watched the highlights, Ronaldo is pure class in terms of footballing prowess. It was against Villareal as well, so it's not a pushover team before anyone mentions that, yet if Messi does it against one it's fine...
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jan 17 2011, 01:48 AM
Barca is 4 points up. Real couldn't beat Almeria.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 17 2011, 02:11 AM
Real are making it too much hard work for themselves.
Against Sevilla they went down to 10 men and had to win it a man down. Against Villareal they had to come from behind twice and then they went behind again today.
Maicon + a left back next season and they'll be great. Shift Ramos inside, alongside Carvalho, and get rid of Pepe, he's useless.
Posted by: acid911 Jan 17 2011, 02:33 AM
And Marcello, another waste of human cells.
He was horrible against Barca this season, and not much better since. Bench material at best.
Posted by: dst Jan 17 2011, 03:32 AM
I would not say Pepe is useless, his kicks look great!
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jan 23 2011, 06:58 AM
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 23 2011, 07:49 AM
More importantly, Messi missed a penalty in the week, didn't even hit the target. Useless.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 23 2011, 11:23 AM
That was kept quiet on here. There would be 4 new pages if that was CR7.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 23 2011, 11:33 AM
La Liga and the Messi-CR duel
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jan 23 2011, 06:19 PM
That was kept quiet on here. There would be 4 new pages if that was CR7.
Or nobody would care if it wasn't a decisive penalty and his team won comfortably.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 23 2011, 06:54 PM
With it being Ronaldo on Milanfan? You obviously haven't been here long enough
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 23 2011, 07:25 PM
Madrid-Mallorca 0-0 at the moment, mid-way through the 1st half.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 23 2011, 08:50 PM
Saw Benzema score a min ago, still 1-0? Watching Milan & the NFL now.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 24 2011, 05:52 AM
Yeh they won 1-0, stopped watching it when Milan kicked off though.
Judging by the highlights they didn't play very well at all. 10 wins out of 10 at home this season.
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 24 2011, 01:26 PM
I heard Kaka' had an awful match and was substituted at half time.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 24 2011, 03:48 PM
Kaka was useless for us in the domestic league for ages as well.
Add to that he's just coming back from injury.
Posted by: dst Jan 24 2011, 04:05 PM
Kaka should theoretically have more space to move in Spain but he has not been as good as I though he'd be. He still was a lot better last season that what people say.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 24 2011, 04:07 PM
I could be opening up a can of worms here. Though, I certainly see the people who do well in Italy don't necessarily do well in Spain/England in recent years (I know there are exceptions) but it does seem a big change for players to get acclimatised too.
Posted by: acid911 Jan 24 2011, 04:14 PM
This.
And I am sure he will be back to his high standards as he plays more matches. Of course, not a player that he was during the early few years here, but as he gels with the team and gets regular time on the pitch, things will improve. I agree, he was a lot better than what people (and media) give him credit for. I saw a whole bunch of RM matches last season, and he was good, if not spectacular. Of course, he was always going to be overshadowed by Cristiano, who played a more advanced role closer to the opposition goal. We have to remember that he plays a very different role at Madrid, sort of something like Seedorf used to play here a couple of seasons back. He is surely not score goals by the bucket loads, but a graceful player like him in good form always delivers, one way or another.
That being said, his time here was pretty much done, the last season he spent here was surely a step down from what he used to do earlier. Not to mention, his pace had dropped a bit too.
Posted by: acid911 Jan 24 2011, 04:20 PM
Hmmm, I don't see the worms anywhere.
No, you are quite right, and I guess a lot of it depends on how much time a player spent in a particular league. If it is 2-3 years, then players can somewhat easily adjust to new conditions and styles in different countries. If it is close to a decade, or even 5-7 years, then it can get a tad difficult.It is not just about Italy/Span/England, I am sure this would be the case in most leagues.
Slightly more so in leagues that focus on technique and tactics, but a move for most players (unless they are freelancers who spend a year here, and another two there), it takes time to acclimatise and adjust with not just the playing style, but fan pressure and team mates.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 24 2011, 04:26 PM
Definitely just the Italian one does seem to be the one that struggles. You look at Kaka, Sheva, Zlatan, Mutu, Aquilani, Poulsen, Maccaroni, Taibi, Veron. I'm talking recent years I know the Italian league has provided some gems in the 90's.
Posted by: dst Jan 24 2011, 04:31 PM
You're right though I think Ibrahimovic did very well until all communication with Guardiola was frozen. The thing is, both Shevchenko and Kaka (the biggest such examples) were past their prime and already settled in the Italian way of playing the game. I think it's hard at their age to make the change and be great I believe younger players - like if Pato ever left - would do a lot better.
Posted by: acid911 Jan 24 2011, 04:32 PM
Quite true. But then again, there are players who came from other leagues and flopped badly in Serie A. Remember Oliveria? Quaresma?
There are a whole bunch I am sure. I believe a part of it has do to with the defensive nature of the teams, and focus on tactics and closed more packed formations in games.
Posted by: dst Jan 24 2011, 04:41 PM
I think the best of these examples is Veron who was great in Italy and left at a young age. Sheva and Kaka were on the decline when they left and Kaka certainly was better last season than he was at Milan the previous two. I already commented on Zlatan. Mutu did fairly well at Chelsea and then we all know what happened. Poulsen was mediocre at Juve too, I think he's more an example of someone doing well in Spain and failing to do as well in Italy. Aquilani had too many injuries (what a surprise) and Maccarone, Taibi never really were above average.
It seems they struggle more when moving to England and I believe that's understandable because there are many differences. They do better in Spain.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 24 2011, 04:43 PM
There are a whole bunch I am sure. I believe a part of it has do to with the defensive nature of the teams, and focus on tactics and closed more packed formations in games.Quaresma did in England too. I think everyone was hoping they'd picked up Cristiano's twin.
No, of course flops happen everywhere Mendieta to Lazio, Diego to Juve, (Ask Kurt about Balaban!). Just seems the Italian league has had an unfortunate list of exports in recent years.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 25 2011, 08:17 PM
No need to go there.
Adebayor to Madrid on loan for the rest of the season with a view to permanent deal in the summer. (Sky Sports)
Posted by: Fishdoll Jan 30 2011, 10:09 PM
One difference between Real and Barcelona:
Messi plays like crap (seriously, lost all kinds of balls and was awful despite the two goals he scored) and Barcelona win.
Ronaldo plays like crap (lots of fans in Pamplona sitting behind the goal have balls to take home thanks to him) and Madrid lose.
Barcelona now +7 over 2nd place Real. I think we can put a fork in the league at this point.
PS - A shout out to the Basque boys, Bilbao beat Atletico today IN Madrid.
Posted by: Locke Lamora Jan 30 2011, 11:31 PM
Messi plays like crap (seriously, lost all kinds of balls and was awful despite the two goals he scored) and Barcelona win.
Ronaldo plays like crap (lots of fans in Pamplona sitting behind the goal have balls to take home thanks to him) and Madrid lose.
Barcelona now +7 over 2nd place Real. I think we can put a fork in the league at this point.
PS - A shout out to the Basque boys, Bilbao beat Atletico today IN Madrid.
I think that says everything about the level this guy is on. By all means, I'm not into this "Best player eva in tha world" trend, but he is easily the best in the world and looks set to remain so for some time.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 31 2011, 01:05 AM
And Messi still has a long time before he even hits his prime. It's scary how good he is. Thankfully he's yet to do anything on the International stage, long may it continue.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 31 2011, 02:04 AM
agreedBut honestly, Messi is all Maradona could have been if it wasn't for the selfdestruct he initiated.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jan 31 2011, 06:26 AM
For me it just goes to show how great a team Barca is. Also one thing I really like about Messi's game is if he's having an off day either tactical or just 'one-of-those-bad-days' he still finds a way to contribute to the team. Harrying opponents or trying to make the simple passes to keep things ticking.
CR9 just goes into a sulk, and is a virtual liability. What's funny is Zlatan used to be 10x worse than CR9 in this regard. But something's changed.
Like Allegri said in his interview...when the whole team sees that even Zlatan is coming back to defend, they do so too.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 31 2011, 02:42 PM
Aguero signed contract extension with Atletico, suppose that'll stop the transfer talk regarding him.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jan 31 2011, 04:30 PM
Nah. he'll just go for muchos dineros next season.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jan 31 2011, 05:49 PM
Is it me or he he really overrated?
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 31 2011, 06:41 PM
No chance. I often think it about foreign guys, especially South American's but if this boy was in Real or Barca he would be scoring for fun. Top quality striker.
Posted by: dst Jan 31 2011, 06:43 PM
I too think he's very good, though finishing is a weak point of his.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jan 31 2011, 06:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbroxNSH2EY
La Liga defending at it's finest lol
Aside from the shot, and the fact he's proud of what he accomplished.... i think he is overrated. Also if any one played for barca they could score for fun
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 31 2011, 06:50 PM
Then why would anyone rate Messi?
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jan 31 2011, 07:03 PM
call me a La Liga hater but i really don't think Messi would be as good in any other team. he's quick, hard-nosed, plays is the weakest defending league, and has Xavi and Iniesta at his disposal.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 31 2011, 07:06 PM
You're talking to the wrong man if you think I'm going to jump to Messi's defence, I agree with some of what you say. Though I still think you need to be of a certain level to be good, even in Barca.
Posted by: dst Jan 31 2011, 07:13 PM
it works both ways... Messi helps Xavi as much as Xavi helps Messi... I can't remember hearing so much about him before Messi's emergence...
I think it's unfair to say that anyone would look good in Barcelona... it's not like Barcelona is an entity that helps these guys look better... these guys ARE Barcelona...
I do agree that they help each other look better... but if anyone would look good there then why do their management spend all that money to get Ibra and Villa? It does not make sense does it?
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 31 2011, 07:20 PM
I think it's unfair to say that anyone would look good in Barcelona... it's not like Barcelona is an entity that helps these guys look better... these guys ARE Barcelona...
I do agree that they help each other look better... but if anyone would look good there then why do their management spend all that money to get Ibra and Villa? It does not make sense does it?
Agree with most of this.
Though, Xavi has been insanely good for years, even before Messi. Just gets a few more rave reviews nowadays, saying that Barca never got talked about this much until they played United off the pitch a few years back in the CL.
Posted by: Locke Lamora Jan 31 2011, 07:25 PM
Well, I don't think that arguement holds any more. Messi was the CL top scorer last season and the best player of the tournament the season before that. The guy has proven himself extremely capable against a swathe of top Eurpean clubs.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 31 2011, 08:59 PM
I really want to see Barca and Madrid take on Chelsea in the CL again. Ashley Cole is about the only player who pretty much shuts down Messi and Ronaldo every time he comes up against them. But this past year or so I think both have improved even more, would be interesting to see how he copes now.
Posted by: dst Jan 31 2011, 09:47 PM
Insanely good? In my view he never looked as good as he does now. Of course he has improved on his own but I think Messi helps him too and so does Villa. My point again being it works both ways. Isn't it obvious that you're going to look a better player if you have better players next to you?
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