[Danny]

http://milanrant.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/th...in-history.html

It's no wonder I've just totally given up on this club.

[X-Offender]

Good rant. And totally legitimate.

I would also add that beyond the coach and players, it's the mentality of this club that's been completely destroyed. The only solution I can see is bringing a top coach with credentials and at least 3-4 world class players. Only they can bring about the change in mentality. But then again, it's what we should have done this summer. Yet we decided to go for the likes of Romagnoli, Bertolacci, Kucka, Adriano etc. who mind you, are not exactly terrible players, but in the big picture they change absolutely nothing!

[Fillipo Simone]

That's the only solution? Why not a whole new management? Rivera also got ditched for that kind of path.

[X-Offender]

That's the only solution? Why not a whole new management? Rivera also got ditched for that kind of path.

Wouldn't say no to a whole new management, but it's the coach and players in the end that truly matter. I don't see how a new management could change the mentality of the players we have right now.

[Danny]

Wouldn't say no to a whole new management, but it's the coach and players in the end that truly matter. I don't see how a new management could change the mentality of the players we have right now.

I honestly don't see a lack of work ethic out there. Weirdly enough I do see effort. It's just the system, squad, tactics cannot fit with the formation - the players cannot blend with the system because there isn't one.

Look at Klopp - his Liverpool is in the same mire - two feeble draws against two meh teams - he's a fine coach but at the moment he can't get more out a dismal squad than anyone else can.

Miha isn't even half the manager he is, and has an even WORSE and more imbalanced squad.

Miha, whos hands already lack fingers, has them tied behind his back and a mask over his face. He doesn't have a clue how to fix this - but neither do I.

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[han2503]

Quick question though, how do teams like Samp, for example (it's just one because there are many others) a team managed by our very coach, who have a lot less quality in the squad than we do manage to have great seasons?

I understand that the players are not much to write home about, but the fact is that we have not been able to play like a proper team for years now. Instead of lifting the squad, new players tend to get dragged down with the rest.

For me it's at the very least 70% a mentality issue. The rest is down to quality sure, we don't have a top 3 side.

Personally I think the mentality thing is first and foremost something that the coach must address, and Miha I'm sorry to say, does not seem up to the task. And you can see that he feels like the situation is spiralling when he starts to change tactics and formations and selections each week, it's what Pippo did and what Allegri also did.

And not only does that not solve anything imo, it creates an even worse situation

[Fillipo Simone]

Han, you surprised me there. Weeks ago I asked about Baselli and the "Baselli's of Serie A" - aka - how is it possible that players like Bertolacci, Baselli, etc. excel at the various Genoas, Atalantas and Torinos. Now you gave me an answer (I'm still not sure it's the right one, but it did resonate) that small-team mentality and surroundings make the difference. That playing at Milan takes a whole new level by itself.

No take that as an answer for your own question.

Also, I'd like to think that Mihajlović didn't do anything special. He finished up 7th, yes, with a small team, nevertheless equipped with some good players. In a weak and unstable Serie A this is enough.

[Danny]

Small club mentality is a colossal reason why many fail at Milan. The list of players who've had good careers at smaller clubs but duffed with Milan is worth reams of paper.

But it's not the reason our current team is so poor. Our current team is so poor because it's got no balance and is a roughshod mix of players being shoehorned into a system which doesn't fit them.

The transfer policy is heavily to blame, getting in players who don't fit and who weren't needed. And in places aren't very good.

As someone once said, you can't polish a turd.

[Fillipo Simone]

I think there's a million reasons for our team being a disaster over and over again:

1) It's the management. Without any plan, without a strategy and a developmental path, there's no real substance that can fill out the missing links with coaches, staff and players altogether.

2) Bad coaches. Unproven coaches. Coaches with no real pedigree or achievements that can build up their authority.

3) Lack of a true leader alla Maldini, Costacurta, Baresi.

4) Lack of a star player (not fake, but a true star) who would push gifted players around him to the next level/stage.

5) Lack of a transfer strategy. We have too many similar players, put together in a bunch just because someone thought at the moment it would be a feasible idea.

[Danny]

I think there's a million reasons for our team being a disaster over and over again:

1) It's the management. Without any plan, without a strategy and a developmental path, there's no real substance that can fill out the missing links with coaches, staff and players altogether.

2) Bad coaches. Unproven coaches. Coaches with no real pedigree or achievements that can build up their authority.

3) Lack of a true leader alla Maldini, Costacurta, Baresi.

4) Lack of a star player (not fake, but a true star) who would push gifted players around him to the next level/stage.

5) Lack of a transfer strategy. We have too many similar players, put together in a bunch just because someone thought at the moment it would be a feasible idea.

6: No one ideal formation to suit the players we have.

I don't disagree with any of your five but six is just as critical. Maybe more. It's like vital parts of the team are missing, and other bits and pieces are having to fill in instead. It's patchwork.

[Fillipo Simone]

6: No one ideal formation to suit the players we have.

I don't disagree with any of your five but six is just as critical. Maybe more. It's like vital parts of the team are missing, and other bits and pieces are having to fill in instead. It's patchwork.

As I see it, there can be a million addendum's. But the root problems are, IMO, the five points mentioned. Your 6th point is, again IMO, a result of the basic 5 points. It's what happens when you don't know who is gonna play for you, what kind of players you want/need/can afford and what kind of tactics you'll deploy.

[han2503]

Han, you surprised me there. Weeks ago I asked about Baselli and the "Baselli's of Serie A" - aka - how is it possible that players like Bertolacci, Baselli, etc. excel at the various Genoas, Atalantas and Torinos. Now you gave me an answer (I'm still not sure it's the right one, but it did resonate) that small-team mentality and surroundings make the difference. That playing at Milan takes a whole new level by itself.

No take that as an answer for your own question.

Also, I'd like to think that Mihajlović didn't do anything special. He finished up 7th, yes, with a small team, nevertheless equipped with some good players. In a weak and unstable Serie A this is enough.

Same argument can be made for Torino for example or even Lazio, not a terrible team by any stretch, but they've been doing well since last season. My point here is that any of these teams play like actual teams, and by doing that they manage to play well and get results that are beyond what everyone expects out of them, Sassuolo are also a good example of this.

We simply can't even figure out a way to do this, we simply don't play like a cohesive unit, and by extension, any system, formation, line-up we try will fail. Because it's not really about those details but the bigger picture.

For me, first and foremost that has to be fixed by a coach, and yes, that decision has to be made by the management who have done nothing but make terrible decisions for the past decade.

As you can see, I literally went through your very well put points above. It's a chain, and every bit of that chain at Milan is rusted to the core at, but none worse than the tip of it which is the management. Until Galliani is gone or at the very least, his role at the club is limited, then we'll continue to see the same bad decisions which lead to what we see on the pitch.

And imo, until we bring in a proper coach (which won't happen with Galliani in charge) things won't change new players brought into this environment, no matter how good or even great they are won't change much. I agree that we need a star player who can make a difference and be a reference point, but a great coach is imo even more important at this point as we've already had that great player with the bad coach and when the player left we fell apart

I think there's a million reasons for our team being a disaster over and over again:

1) It's the management. Without any plan, without a strategy and a developmental path, there's no real substance that can fill out the missing links with coaches, staff and players altogether.

2) Bad coaches. Unproven coaches. Coaches with no real pedigree or achievements that can build up their authority.

3) Lack of a true leader alla Maldini, Costacurta, Baresi.

4) Lack of a star player (not fake, but a true star) who would push gifted players around him to the next level/stage.

5) Lack of a transfer strategy. We have too many similar players, put together in a bunch just because someone thought at the moment it would be a feasible idea.

Agreed

As I see it, there can be a million addendum's. But the root problems are, IMO, the five points mentioned. Your 6th point is, again IMO, a result of the basic 5 points. It's what happens when you don't know who is gonna play for you, what kind of players you want/need/can afford and what kind of tactics you'll deploy.

Agreed with this as well

[Danny]

As I see it, there can be a million addendum's. But the root problems are, IMO, the five points mentioned. Your 6th point is, again IMO, a result of the basic 5 points. It's what happens when you don't know who is gonna play for you, what kind of players you want/need/can afford and what kind of tactics you'll deploy.

Perhaps, but you can dismiss all five of yours and go to the root core of the on-pitch problem - and it isn't any of them - it's six.

They lead to it yes, but in the here and now you have to have some kind of quantifiable formation and system suited to the players you have.

We don't. Anything but. So whether you ID all five which led to six, six is the here and now which is giving us shite performances and poor results. And no new manager, no new transfer policy, no apparently leader, no nothing is going to fix six right now. Earliest we can do anything is January.

We're completely stuck and hell knows where we'll be by Jan 1st.

[Danny]

Han, you surprised me there. Weeks ago I asked about Baselli and the "Baselli's of Serie A" - aka - how is it possible that players like Bertolacci, Baselli, etc. excel at the various Genoas, Atalantas and Torinos. Now you gave me an answer (I'm still not sure it's the right one, but it did resonate) that small-team mentality and surroundings make the difference. That playing at Milan takes a whole new level by itself.

No take that as an answer for your own question.

Also, I'd like to think that Mihajlović didn't do anything special. He finished up 7th, yes, with a small team, nevertheless equipped with some good players. In a weak and unstable Serie A this is enough.

As an aside, we wanted Baselli and everyone on here mocked the notion. Now he's tearing it up at Torino and suddenly he's anything but a joke.

[han2503]

As an aside, we wanted Baselli and everyone on here mocked the notion. Now he's tearing it up at Torino and suddenly he's anything but a joke.

You think he'd have produced that kind of form with us?

He'd be in the same water as Bertolacci imo. Who was doing great things with Genoa as well but he's simply not good enough to be an integral part of Milan and neither is Baselli, or Bonventura before them, who has produced good performances for us, but he's simply not someone good enough to build around or to take us to the next level.

Players like these would have been bench fillers back in the day at Milan, now we're talking about using them as integral cogs in the team, and we wonder why we can't get into the CL positions

I guess it's the same old thing leading to the question I posed above, why do very average teams manage to have good to great seasons while performing very well, and while we granted don't have top players have a relatively good squad on paper (that granted might not be well balanced or a good mix), but still can't even manage to muster a mildly decent performance let alone a good result.