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post Sep 11 2015, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 11 2015, 10:09 PM) *
I'd ask you to quote me insinuating but then you'd look as embarrassing as he does. If you don't already.

What a completely w*nky thread with a clique mentality of 'don't disagree with Han, he'll attack you and his cronies will back him up'.

Horrible. Absolutely disgusted with this forum right now.

Probably talking about your "insinuation" - Fillipo is being polite here are you outright called me a hater a 100 times now - that I'm a Zapata hater simply because I have nothing else to do with my sad time and have no one to hate now that Muntari's gone so I picked Zapata for the sheer fun of it without any reason whatsoever

Also, you had no problem ganging up on me in the other thread with x-off but now that it's directed at you, you're getting defensive...
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post Sep 11 2015, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Sep 11 2015, 06:58 PM) *
Honestly I think your accusations of han and dismissing his opinions arbitrarily are pretty embarrassing. You dismiss his opinions and then say this:


Why are your random hunches any better than han's?

Zapata isn't all that great but he's a decent rotational back up.
X is right in that he is the best choice when up against an out of form Alex and not fully fit Mexes, both of whom are better than Zapata when at full strength. The biggest problem is that the way we've been playing recently puts additional pressure on Zapata's biggest weakness which is his passing. Our midfield can't seem to hold the ball worth a damn and as a result we have back pass after back pass to the CBs/Lopez. I really hope that problem isn't exploited but it's certainly an issue. If we had a more solid midfield and there was less need for Zapata to handle the ball I'd feel much better. He's a solid tackler, strong, and able to recover quickly. He and Romagnoli are decent players but we're not playing to their strengths making them play out of the back.

Thanks, my point exactly and I agree.

All this started because I said I wouldn't play Zapata and Romagnoli together and prefer Alex next to EITHER one of them.
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post Sep 13 2015, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 12 2015, 12:09 AM) *
I'd ask you to quote me insinuating but then you'd look as embarrassing as he does. If you don't already.

What a completely w*nky thread with a clique mentality of 'don't disagree with Han, he'll attack you and his cronies will back him up'.

Horrible. Absolutely disgusted with this forum right now.

So basically you can't stand being criticized, therefore you pull back to offensive talk and more accusations. Well, I don't mind. Do as you please.

Milanbuf88 said it best. Let's be completely honest here: you're a terrible judge of players, since all you know is base your limited and definitive judgement on hunches, recent form or one match. Indeed, one game is enough to transform you from an ardent supporter to a hater, bombarding us with big words like "diabolical" etc. Then, when your inconsistency reaches a stage where you're open to criticism, you play the "cliques", "freedom of speech" or "disgusted" card. But please, indulge me with another insulting post, try to be even less objective...
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post Oct 24 2015, 07:58 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 13 2015, 01:28 PM) *
So basically you can't stand being criticized, therefore you pull back to offensive talk and more accusations. Well, I don't mind. Do as you please.

Milanbuf88 said it best. Let's be completely honest here: you're a terrible judge of players, since all you know is base your limited and definitive judgement on hunches, recent form or one match. Indeed, one game is enough to transform you from an ardent supporter to a hater, bombarding us with big words like "diabolical" etc. Then, when your inconsistency reaches a stage where you're open to criticism, you play the "cliques", "freedom of speech" or "disgusted" card. But please, indulge me with another insulting post, try to be even less objective...


I was very unhappy with this thread - I still see zero point in taking a debate from one thread and starting a whole new war in another, but my real frustrations were not with this, but with Milan, and I took it out on you guys.

I don't think I am a terrible judge of players, with all due respect, my lovely Filippo.

My judgements on the new signings pre-season have been mostly borne out I feel:

I ached for Bacca, and now you see why, surely.

I reallty wanted Adriano, and now you see why, surely.

Didn't want Romagnoli, and he's been weak at best.

Got Bertolacci wrong - he's been feeble.

Was crushed by the ambition of getting Kucka - he's been average (standing out in a pitiful team), exactly what we expected.

Balo - well, I still can't stand him but he's shown that usual honeymoon period of form. That'll tail off soon enough.

PS my dear chums - I never insulted anyone - I did use aggressive language but I don't think what I said merited the personal attacks at me here. And furthermore using aggressive language is only offensive if you choose to be offended. I never personally attacked anyone.

I will say this though - a member, who quit this forum some time ago, did so because of this kind of thread - the same topics circling around again and again - once Mike closed new members, new ideas were lost. So we were left to have the same arguments over, and over, and over again, with no new input or fresh perspective. I understand why they've gone now.

We're arguing the same crap again and again and it's a borderline tautology. Han, bless him, turns everything into Mexes Zapata. I whine about Alex. Filippo complains about snap judgements. Yadda yadda.

It's all the same debates packaged in slightly different rhetoric.

This forum is reflecting the club - stale, unable to move on, can't develop, and is locked in a loop of repeated endless arguments about the same basic things.
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post Oct 24 2015, 10:56 AM
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This topic was directed to both of us, Danny, but I think you took it a bit too seriously and reacted harshly. In the end, we're just discussing football here. It's the true that the state of affairs is not at its peek, which mirrors the club's state like you said. But we all know each other here and I'd rather discuss Milan with you guys than in some other forum where I don't know anyone and insults come flying left and right.

So, please stay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheerful.gif)
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post Oct 24 2015, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 24 2015, 10:56 AM) *
This topic was directed to both of us, Danny, but I think you took it a bit too seriously and reacted harshly. In the end, we're just discussing football here. It's the true that the state of affairs is not at its peek, which mirrors the club's state like you said. But we all know each other here and I'd rather discuss Milan with you guys than in some other forum where I don't know anyone and insults come flying left and right.

So, please stay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheerful.gif)


Still reckon it could have stayed in that other topic!

I was going to stay away till Milan gave me a reason to come back - which did suggest I might have been away for potentially years. But I had this rant (the blog I posted) to get off my chest.

I have no idea if I'll stay, Milan is going below depressing and down to humiliation. And this forum does degenerate into the same conversations over and over again. What on earth can we say any more?!
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