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Posted by: Portikins Nov 25 2006, 11:22 PM
Cagliari v Milan
Sunday, 3rd of December '06
Time: 14:00 (UK); 15:00 (IT)
The next Serie A match. Trip to Cagliari.
I hope another 3 points like the last match against Messina. But never underestimate Cagliari...
Forza Milan!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 26 2006, 10:18 AM
I don't think they will be underestimating anyone, right now all they want is to atleast build a good run of wins, and I'm sure they will do anything they can to win
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 26 2006, 02:06 PM
But ofcourse
It's the ONLY way
Posted by: berenike_10 Nov 26 2006, 08:28 PM
we definitivily need to win this game , we cannot afford to lose more points on seria A at least if we want to reach a UCL spot.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 26 2006, 08:36 PM
If we win this one we will get close to the CL spot
Posted by: berenike_10 Nov 26 2006, 08:39 PM
yep yep , a win is a must here.
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 29 2006, 12:06 PM
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/sa0607/cag-mil.html Cagliari - Milan
Two sides with contrasting seasons so far face each other in Sardinia this week when Cagliari play under-achieving Milan at the Stadio Sant’Elia. Cagliari go into the match having suffered only their second defeat of the season away to Empoli, whilst Milan hope to build on their victory over Messina at the San Siro last week.
Cagliari currently lie in 11th place, and will be hoping to add to Milan’s woes this season by inflicting a fifth defeat of the campaign on the Rossoneri. Marco Giampaolo’s side have been difficult to defeat so far this season, and will want to continue their solid, if unspectacular, form against the Rossoneri. Prior to last weekend, they had won three and drawn eight.
Marco Fortin replaces the unfortunate former Roma and Lecce goalkeeper Antonio Chimenti, who withdrew in the 17th minute of the first half against Empoli with an injured shoulder. Simone Pepe starts on the bench once again, despite going close to equalising twice against Empoli only to be denied by the heroics of goalkeeper Daniele Balli. Daniele Conti also returns to replace Alessandro Conticchio in the only other change from the side that started against the Tuscans at the weekend.
Milan helped to relieve some of their woes with victory against Messina at the weekend courtesy of a headed goal by captain Paolo Maldini. Carlo Ancelotti described the win against Messina as “three very important points†as Milan hope to resurrect their season following the Calciopoli scandal and their recent spate of bad form. After a bright start, in which they wiped out their deficit with three wins in the first three games, the Rossoneri have since floundered with four defeats in their last seven ties. Before Saturday, they had been without a win since the 1-0 victory away to Chievo in Week 8.
Milan are still without Brazilian goalkeeper Nelson Dida, out for two months after the Champions League match last week, with ex-Leicester City stopper Zeljko Kalac continuing to deputise. The other major change could be a second start of the season for former Treviso hitman Marco Borriello in place of Filippo Inzaghi, who may drop to the bench. Alessandro Nesta and Clarence Seedorf will be pushing for a place in the side after coming on as subs on Saturday.
Man on fire: Kaka (Milan) – The Brazilian was back to his creative best against Messina and will undoubtedly threaten the Sardinians in Week 14.
Last season: Cagliari 0-2 Milan
Form guide: Cagliari (W D D W L) Milan (L L L D W)
Cagliari (probable): Fortin; Ferri, Lopez, Bianco, Agostini; Conti, Budel, Colucci; Esposito, Suazo, Langella
Milan (probable): Kalac; Simic, Nesta, Maldini, Jankulovski; Brocchi, Pirlo, Gourcuff; Kaka; Gilardino, Borriello
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 29 2006, 12:08 PM
except for him the line-up looks good to me.. or we could sub Brocchi for Seedorf(if he's recovered) and shuffle the mid to fit him in with gourcuff.
Posted by: KillerMax Nov 29 2006, 12:32 PM
That's just a joke... I'm 100% sure he won't start.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 29 2006, 03:26 PM
I know it's too early but this would be my idea for the starting 11 (presuming Nesta and Clarence recover): Kalac; Bonera, Nesta, Maldini, Jankulovski; Pirlo, Brocchi, Seedorf, Kakà ; Oliveira, Gilardino.
We'll still have to see how things are going to develop in the next few days.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 29 2006, 06:26 PM
Except for Kalac, I dont think Carlo will experiment too much, so his line up will be; same old, same old 
Posted by: han2503 Nov 29 2006, 07:54 PM
I would personally go for this line up
Bonera--Nesta--Maldini--Janku
----Brocchi--Pirlo--Gourcuff----
--------------Kaka----------------
-------Gilardino--Oliveira-------
Against Brescia we where playing more of a 4-4-2 in the first half, with Gourcuff and Janku on the wings but where free to cut in to the middle. I thought it worked pretty well. The first half of the game was us passing the ball around.
The second half was just Carl changing things around and giving the Primavera players a run out
Posted by: berenike_10 Nov 29 2006, 08:05 PM
Bonera--Nesta--Maldini--Janku
----Brocchi--Pirlo--Gourcuff----
--------------Kaka----------------
-------Gilardino--Oliveira-------
Against Brescia we where playing more of a 4-4-2 in the first half, with Gourcuff and Janku on the wings but where free to cut in to the middle. I thought it worked pretty well. The first half of the game was us passing the ball around.
The second half was just Carl changing things around and giving the Primavera players a run out
It's ok, but i rather to have simic instead bonera, that would be my only change for the line up, the rest is just perfect.
Simic has a beter control of the ball , and eventhoug he is not as offensive as cafu he can set good plays in the middle, so that way pirlo wont be stuck in the back , also marek has the same ability to run with the ball, they can provide the oxigen on that area.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 29 2006, 08:31 PM
I personally think Bonera is a better RB than Simic. Simic may have a better ball possession, but he doesn't push forward a lot. Bonera on the other hand had an excellent match against Messina and I would like to see him on the right until Cafu recovers.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 29 2006, 08:33 PM
Simic has a beter control of the ball , and eventhoug he is not as offensive as cafu he can set good plays in the middle, so that way pirlo wont be stuck in the back , also marek has the same ability to run with the ball, they can provide the oxigen on that area.
Simic and Bonera doesn't really bother me which one takes the RB role, although Bonera is improving bit by bit in that position, he has been working as lot with Tassotti also.
His crosses have improved a lot and he is getting better at running with the ball at his feet.
btw, I thought Bonera played great yesterday in the center, made some great and timely interceptions
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 29 2006, 08:35 PM
Yeah, it would be best keeping both of them in the centre and buy a new RB in January. But go and tell it to Uncle Fester. 
Posted by: berenike_10 Nov 30 2006, 12:36 AM
I just have a question.. who the hell is uncle fester...... ?
Posted by: misha Nov 30 2006, 01:00 AM
Galliani
Posted by: berenike_10 Nov 30 2006, 01:07 AM
thank youuu !!!
in spanish they dont call him that way , they call it uncle lucas, is a diff. translation.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 30 2006, 01:09 AM
Can't you see the similiarity? 
Posted by: berenike_10 Nov 30 2006, 01:12 AM
HAHAHAHHAHAHA... gooooooood one bro, you got a 10 !!!
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 30 2006, 01:14 AM
Posted by: han2503 Dec 1 2006, 09:49 PM
Serie A Preview: Cagliari-Milan
Milan will travel to the Sardinian capital of Cagliari, on the Mediterranean Sea, for a crunch encounter with their hosts.
When: Sunday December 3, 15:00 (CET)
Where: Stadio Sant’Elia, Cagliari, Italy
BACKGROUND
Milan achieved a comfortable 2-0 away win last season in this fixture.
The lead was snatched by the visitors inside the first minute. Alberto Gilardino was not closed down by the defense, and he was able to put a soft finish into the net.
Milan secured the victory halfway through the first half thanks to Andriy Shevchenko. In the 27th minute, ‘Sheva’ blasted an unstoppable shot from distance which found the back of the net.
CURRENT FORM
Cagliari (D W L, 14 points, 11th place in Serie A)
The Rossoblu are around mid-table, and this is good standing for them, but they have struggled to secure victories this season. They have an astonishing eight draws from the first thirteen fixtures.
Last season, they relied on David Suazo’s goals to win games, but he has just three thus far. They also need Mauro Esposito to be putting his name on the score sheet.
Milan (L D W, 11 points, 15th place in Serie A)
The Rossoneri have gradually improved their play recently, as they finally won a match last weekend at home against Messina, 1-0. The lone goal came from captain Paolo Maldini with a glancing-header in the 13th minute.
They must win here if they have any thoughts of possibly getting back into the title race.
TEAM NEWS
Cagliari has just one absence in this match, and that is first-choice goalkeeper Antonio Chimenti, who has a shoulder injury.
Milan must do without goalkeeper Nelson Dida, Gennaro Gattuso, and Giuseppe Favalli, who are all out until the new year. Defenders Serginho and Alessandro Nesta are also missing, as they both may require surgery for their nagging injuries.
PLAYERS TO WATCH
David Suazo (Cagliari) – His skills can at times be sublime, with his pace and dribbling ability the keys to his long runs at the defense. Strong on the ball and with a powerful shot, he will surely test a Milan backline which has at times been leaky this season.
Kakà (Milan) – He has been the best player for Milan all season, and they have often leaned on him for the attacking movements. He will need to once again be at his best to get a win against this Cagliari side.
POSSIBLE STARTING XI’s
Cagliari (4-3-3): Fortin; Ferri, Lopez, Bianco, Agostini; Conti, Budel, Colucci; Esposito, Suazo, Langella
Milan (4-3-1-2): Kalac; Simic, Costacurta, Maldini, Jankulovski; Brocchi, Pirlo, Gourcuff; Kakà ; Gilardino, Borriello
PREDICTION
While this will not be an easy task, Milan can feel good about their chances against Cagliari, who have allowed more goals than they have scored. Both sides will hit on the counterattack, but Milan will be the one which converts their chances.
Cagliari 0-1 Milan
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=180950
Posted by: han2503 Dec 1 2006, 09:51 PM
Why are both channel 4 and Goal.com saying that Boriello will probably partner Gila?? I really don't like this 
Posted by: dst Dec 1 2006, 10:07 PM
Fu-ck yeah!!! I just found Football Italia's line-up randomizer on e-bay for 1$!!!!!!!
Nesta?? They ripped his arm off and stuck a new mechanical one in; Meet the new, improved Alessandroid Nesta!!
Borriello?? My randomizer reads Christian Maldini!! The new king is here...
Run to e-bay guys!!
Posted by: Portikins Dec 1 2006, 10:22 PM
While this will not be an easy task, Milan can feel good about their chances against Cagliari, who have allowed more goals than they have scored. Both sides will hit on the counterattack, but Milan will be the one which converts their chances.
Cagliari 0-1 Milan
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=180950
I agree. Well, as long as we get the 3 pts...
Posted by: arivanjj Dec 1 2006, 10:39 PM
hopefully Gila will score.. he scored in both games against Cagliari last season
Posted by: Portikins Dec 2 2006, 02:16 PM
PORTIERI: Kalac, Fiori, Facchin
DIFENSORI: Antonelli, Bonera, Darmian, Kaladze, Maldini, Jankulovski, Simic
CENTROCAMPISTI: Brocchi, Gourcuff, Lunati, Pirlo, Seedorf
ATTACCANTI: Aubameyang, Borriello, Gilardino, Inzaghi, Ricardo Oliveira.
Kaka' injuried and out of the trip to Cagliari.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 2 2006, 02:19 PM
Ha, you just beat me to it Porto. Yep, no Kakà . Now we'll see if we're really dependent on him or not. This would be my starting line up for tomorrow:
Kalac
Bonera Maldini Kaladze Jankulovski
Pirlo
Brocchi Gourcuff
Seedorf
Oliveira Gilardino
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 2 2006, 02:49 PM
When did he get injured !!!!
Posted by: mchanna Dec 2 2006, 03:05 PM
what injured?!!?!?
QWHEBSDIPRENBRG
when? how? how long?
Posted by: Portikins Dec 2 2006, 03:44 PM
QWHEBSDIPRENBRG
when? how? how long?
Nothing important. He'll be available for the CL. If not, for Torino for sure.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 2 2006, 03:54 PM
Carlo Ancelotti will not be taking Ricky Kakà to Cagliari but expects a good performance from his side in any case.
MILANELLO - Carlo Ancelotti has revealed that injury will keep Ricky Kakà out of the trip to Cagliari. The coach said: 'He has an injury to his right foot, the pain has persisted since he took a knock against Messina so he will stay at home. It's a problem that will soon clear up. Even if without Kakà , who is certainly an important player, we have to find the right balance. There are players who can come in although they have characteristics different from him. Kakà is the best player in the world but we can also play without him. I have immediately thought about who to bring in. Seedorf or Gourcuff can play in his place or we can fill the midfield, we can also change things during the course of the game.'
Ancelotti then spoke about the Cagliari game in more detail: 'We have reached an important crossroads because it is important to get consistency in our results so tomorrow's game has great significance, an away victory would get the league campaign on the go again. We can do that with application, desire, tenacity and overcome Kakà 's absence. They don't give away much and are fast on the counter-attack and although they don't score many goals, they have gained some important results lately. Suazo and Esposito are their most dangerous players. Kaladze is fit again and will play, he's shown that in training. Bonera will play on the right, Kakà will be back soon, Ambrosini is fine and Cafu will be back next week, maybe even on Wednesday.'
On the Milan attack, he added: 'They are under pressure indepentently of Shevchenko, they have to start scoring. Oliveira's goal in the Cup has relaxed him, tomorrow will be important for the other two. It has been worrying that the strikers have not been scoring even if it has been a bit of a delicate moment, Ricardo Oliveira even hit the post this morning ...'
As for the future: 'We will train really well from the second to tenth of January and in this sense the Berlusconi Trophy will be a preparation game. We'll have nine days off and then get back to training. The players will follow a personal programme and then come back on January 2 and will be ready to go. We'll probably go to Spain or somewhere like that to train, come back to Milan for the game and then fly out again. We won't have Nesta, Dida, Serginho or Favalli until after the break, Gattuso is recovering well and could be back before the break. We have a week between the Torino and Fiorentina game to work on fitness. Jankulovski will replace Serginho and we are covered in that position when Favalli is fit again.'
acmilan.com
Posted by: kaka_sheva Dec 2 2006, 04:14 PM
I read Portugal's post and I had to do a double-take.
Kaka... injured!?yah, good point.
He better be.
Thankfully it doesn't seem too serious. Hope he gets well soon.
Posted by: KillerMax Dec 2 2006, 05:00 PM
Bonera Maldini Kaladze Jankulovski
Pirlo
Brocchi Gourcuff
Seedorf
Oliveira Gilardino
Yep, same. Simic could play in place of Maldini too since Paolo is in pain...
Posted by: dst Dec 2 2006, 07:55 PM
Hmm... let's see what we can do without Ricky!! I hope Gourcuff shines!!
A true captain knows no pain!!
But yeah not being poetic I think Paolo could use a day off!!
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 2 2006, 08:24 PM
He already had his day off against Brescia and will have another when we'll play against Lille. Right now we need him more than ever, especially when Ricky's missing.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 2 2006, 09:57 PM
I like youre line up X-offender, and that would probably the one Carlo will use, or by what he said during his conference we might go for a flat 4 midfield maybe using Antonelli as a winger, because he is great going forward but is shaky in the defensive aspect.
Something like this
Bonera--Maldini--Kaladze--Janku
Gourcuff--Brocchi-Pirlo-Antonelli
----------Oliveira----Gila----------
btw wasn't Seedorf still suffering from that knee injury??
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 2 2006, 10:43 PM
Antonelli? C'mon, he's good but not THAT good for Serie A yet. To tell you the truth, he didn't impress me that much against Brescia. Anyway, Milan Channel's probable line up had Inzaghi instead of Oliveira. I really hope Carlo doesn't make that mistake.
Posted by: arivanjj Dec 2 2006, 10:50 PM
Bonera Maldini Kaladze Jankulovski
Pirlo
Brocchi Gourcuff
Seedorf
Oliveira Gilardino
Good line-up! hope Carlo goes with this...
Posted by: han2503 Dec 2 2006, 11:09 PM
His crosses and ability to go forward is very good, his defensive game is bad however that's why I put him in as a midfielder.
If Seedorf is not 100% then I don't see why we should risk another player going on a lengthy lay-off we already have enough of that. Besides this is Cagliari not Roma or Inter we are playing.
And if Carlo decides to play Pippo next to Gila again I'm gonna kill my self
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 3 2006, 12:22 AM
Maybe we have no choice .. If Seedorf doesn't play, one of the youth would have to step in, it aint a riskm cuz we have no other alternative .. So much injuries ..
Antonielli, he had a good first half against Brecia, but didnt impress me much in the 2nd .. As han said, he is shaky in defense .. But I wouldnt be surprised if Carlo fielded him, whether as a LB or a winger, cuz we simply have no other alternatives ...
On the Maldini issue, he is 38, has an injury problem that he hasnt been able to shake off for 2 yrs now .. I think we shouldnt risk him, if we can field Simic and Kaladze, then I would want Maldini out for bigger games, cuz Fiorentina is right around the corner
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 12:27 AM
Antonielli, he had a good first half against Brecia, but didnt impress me much in the 2nd .. As han said, he is shaky in defense .. But I wouldnt be surprised if Carlo fielded him, whether as a LB or a winger, cuz we simply have no other alternatives ...
On the Maldini issue, he is 38, has an injury problem that he hasnt been able to shake off for 2 yrs now .. I think we shouldnt risk him, if we can field Simic and Kaladze, then I would want Maldini out for bigger games, cuz Fiorentina is right around the corner
Exactly. Antonelli's attacking game is very good, that's why I would play him as a winger.
If Seedorf is not totally and absolutely 100% fit then I wouldn't risk him, not when our injury list is as long as it is right now. Another injury to one of our starters isn't what we need.
I would play Maldini though, Kaladze and Simic doesn't really ease my nerves especially when Kala has been out for quite a while now and their is Kalac in goal. Maldini had his rest in midweek, he can have another against Lille since that game is of no use to us since we already qualified as winners of the group.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 01:28 AM
Are you guys out of your mind? No Kakà , no Maldini, no Seedorf? Hell let's play the whole Primavera squad if possible. This is a SERIE A match, we should absolutely win this one cause we're 15th in the ranking and if Cagliari wins then we'll be 6 points behind them. We can't make any experiments, not now, it's not allowded. If Seedorf won't make it, fine, put Simic in the centre, Kaladze on the left and push Jankulovski up in the midfield. But this still would be too risky cause with only Pirlo and Gourcuff organizing the game I don't think we have many possibilities. I personally think if Seedorf doesn't play, we're screwed.
Posted by: arivanjj Dec 3 2006, 01:40 AM
that's a fact, we really need him this match even if he's a bit injured
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 3 2006, 01:40 AM
Well X ... It's not like we have a choice
Plus, these r all assumptions, cuz with the amount of injuries we have, I don't think we have a choice, it isnt an experiment, this is reality, these are our back up players im afraid
In anycase, we'll beat them .. FORZA MILAN
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 01:46 AM
Seedorf should and will play, I'm pretty sure about it. My only fear is Ancelotti playing both Inzaghi and Gilardino together. Damn that would be stupid.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 11:11 AM
Having Antonelii as a winger is not such a 'big risk' imo. Again he is shaky defence wise but is good going forward.
I personally wouldn't risk aggrevating whatever injury Seedorf might have as small as it is, it could get worse with him playing.
But your way is definately good, putting Kaladze on the left and Janku in the mid would also be a good idea.
Having more injured starters is definately NOT what we need. I'm sorry but these 3 points are not worth that. It will still iventually hurt us in the long run.
And if Gila and Pippo are played next to each other WITHOUT Kaka behind them then I will kill my self. It just doesn't work, Gila is not someone that could be played on the shoulder of the target man, simple as that I can't see why we are continueing to persist with this. Oli and Gila have proved to be our best pair. We should stick with them.
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 12:54 PM
2 hours left.
Posted by: m1ke Dec 3 2006, 01:02 PM
Kalac
Simic - Kaladze - Maldini - Janku (but will probably be Bonera - Simic - Kaladze - Janku)
Brocci - Pirlo - Gourcuff
Seedorf
Gila - Oli
Would be my line-up.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 01:15 PM
This is the official line-up from milan channel
Bonera--Kaladze--Maldini--Janku
Brocchi--Pirlo--Seedorf--Gourcuff
------------Oliveira--Gila-----------
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 01:20 PM
I'd just go for Simic instead of Bonera but OK.
Let's go Milan!
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 02:18 PM
Bonera--Kaladze--Maldini--Janku
Brocchi--Pirlo--Seedorf--Gourcuff
------------Oliveira--Gila-----------
Yep, just saw that. It seems Carlo read my thoughts.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 02:22 PM
Or mine. I was the only one here to suggest a flat 4 midfield
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 02:24 PM
Oh yeah. But anyway, the most important thing is he's not playing Gila with Pippo.
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 03:22 PM
21' 0-0
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 03:32 PM
Suazo's shot... great save by Kalac.
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 03:32 PM
suazo's pace is killing us!! 
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 3 2006, 03:46 PM
Kalac is very impressive .. I hope he holds on
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 03:47 PM
0-0 half time
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 3 2006, 03:47 PM
2nd half, it has to be faster ..
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 03:48 PM
HT nil nil... damn, we need this 3 pts.
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:02 PM
Borriello for Oliveira?!
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:05 PM
GGGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL 0-1!!!!!! GILARDINO!!!!
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 04:05 PM
ggolllllllllllllllll
gila 1-0
Posted by: The Stinger 21 Dec 3 2006, 04:05 PM
Go0oal for Milan by Gilardino
Posted by: RED&BLACK Milan Dec 3 2006, 04:06 PM
is oiliveria injured or its just carlo wanted a different look in boriellio
Posted by: m1ke Dec 3 2006, 04:07 PM
Get in
Posted by: m1ke Dec 3 2006, 04:07 PM
GOAL! It's Gilardino who puts Milan in the lead! Seedorf starts the move with a neat ball to the overlapping Gourcuff, who crosses onto Gilardino's head, and the underfire striker thumps his header past Fortin!
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:09 PM
Fck! Penalty for Cagliari. Suazo...
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:10 PM
1-1.
Posted by: mchanna Dec 3 2006, 04:21 PM
why did we get a penalty?
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:21 PM
2-1 for Cagliari.
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 04:22 PM
what on earth is going on!!!
Posted by: mchanna Dec 3 2006, 04:24 PM
=!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)!(§(!=(!§=
WAKE UP MILAN WAKE UP
Posted by: RED&BLACK Milan Dec 3 2006, 04:24 PM
our defense gone o sleep
kalaze having an awful half
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:25 PM
Unacceptable. Even a mid-table team here in Portugal would go to Cagliari win with no problems.
If we lose this one... we'll be 25(!) points behind Inter. 25!
Anyway, Brocchi out - Inzaghi in.
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:26 PM
kalaze having an awful half
Well, it's just Kaladze.
Posted by: RED&BLACK Milan Dec 3 2006, 04:26 PM
BORIELLLO GOAALLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:26 PM
GGGGGGOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL 2-2!!!! BORRIELLO
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:27 PM
Let's go Milan. 20 min to play!
FORZA RAGAZZI!
Posted by: mchanna Dec 3 2006, 04:28 PM
COME ON ONE MOR GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:31 PM
Red card for Pirlo.
Posted by: RED&BLACK Milan Dec 3 2006, 04:32 PM
Pirlo sent off
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 04:33 PM
thats all we need on top of our injuries we're going to have pirlo suspened
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:33 PM
Someone on the Milan staff (on the bench) was sent off too.
Gila out. Simic in.
Posted by: mchanna Dec 3 2006, 04:34 PM
ß1111111ß??????????????
WHAT THE ****
WHY IS PIRLO REDCARDED
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:36 PM
Milan playing in 4-3-2.
Forza ragazzi!
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 04:40 PM
5 mins to go. what a roller coaster of emotions in this game!
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:41 PM
OMG! Big miss by Milan now!
Posted by: mchanna Dec 3 2006, 04:44 PM
WAKE UP MILAN WAKE UP COME ON
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:50 PM
Stupid Seedorf. Passing the ball for nowhere in the injury time. I'm tired of this oldie.
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 04:51 PM
FT 2-2. 24 points behind the first place.
This team is a shame.
Posted by: RED&BLACK Milan Dec 3 2006, 04:54 PM
2-2 draw against attacking minded calgari isnt that bad....saw some signs of boreillo contributing...and seedorf...?? hes too old too slow and too....#@!
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 05:01 PM
it was a good attacking game, unfortunatly we let ourselves down with bad defending and poor discipline. suazo showed are problems in defending against pace, he did look good today and was a constent problem. some good points as always i try to find and they might be small but kalac is getting more confident and gila and borrielo scored so 2 goals from 2 strikers. obviously pirlo getting sent off has compounded the problems we have with missing players so we might be seeing some unfamiler names either on the pitch or the bench. i feel we have some more uncomfortable weeks ahead before we see the milan of old! but as has happened before these situations can sometimes bring out a unlikely hero so here's hoping
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 05:02 PM
This team is a shame.
Dude, now you're really exaggerating. Open your eyes, Cagliari played a great match, and we should be happy about this draw. This team is not a shame, look at the injury list: Dida, Cafu, Nesta, Costacurta. Favalli, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Serghino and Kakà . Every team on earth with that list of injuries would be in a bad moment like ours. We played a good match aswell, only the defense was a bit shaky. Kaladze played good, his only error was the penalty which I think was completely unnecessary. Not to mention this Suazo guy, he was utterly unstoppable. I personally am happy with this draw. Of course, it should have been better if we won, but a draw is still acceptable.
Posted by: mchanna Dec 3 2006, 05:04 PM
i'm not too happy about this result, cause we still are very far away from our 4th place.
I WANT SEEDORF SACKED!!!
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 05:11 PM
8 points from the 4th place, not so far away. We'll end 3rd season, you'll see.
Posted by: milanistar Dec 3 2006, 05:14 PM
It a shame! The referees want us down end they to very well by giving us nothing, there incompetence is killing me!!! Boriello missed a big chance and hit the post just as usual, I'm sick of this :'(
The only good point was our stickers (I mean Boriello)!
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 05:16 PM
We drew against Cagliari. Not against Palermo, Roma, Juventus, Lyon or Inter... (well, at the moment we would be smacked by those).
I dunno what to think. We started with -8... now it's the triple: -24 to the leader.
And 8 behind the 4th place. I know about the injuries and everything... but it's becoming how can I say "too usual" getting bad results. We can understand against Roma and Inter, but Siena? Atalanta? Cagliari? Lille?
We're doing a Treviso-like league. And in the CL, we're going to the last 16 'cause we were lucky as hell with the draw (groups).
Well, I'm tired of this League. I wish we were already in May.
Posted by: mchanna Dec 3 2006, 05:21 PM
I'm not content because I always hear the same excuses:
"At least we didn't lose"
"At least we got 1 point, that's good"
"We don't need to sign any players in january"
"Milan is Milan"
"Milan is still Nr.1 in Europe"
"Everything's okay, everybody has to go through rough times"
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 05:24 PM
a 2-2 draw away from home finishing with 10 men i would say is a good result no matter who you are(and with 9 prima squadra players missing)
you can't keep comparing ourselves with inter as there summer was completely different to ours.
i am hopeful for a 3rd or 4th place finish because other than the top 2 everyone is and has been capable of beating each other. the way things are a good run of 3 or 4 results and we're back up there, so i haven't given up hope of getting something out of this season which might end up being a top 4 finish and winning the coppa italia! and the way things are now i would accept it
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 05:29 PM
Weren't that the traditional-Inter main targets? 3rd place and Coppa.
I don't want Coppa. Just the top 3 in League.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 05:29 PM
I dunno what to think. We started with -8... now it's the triple: -24 to the leader.
And 8 behind the 4th place. I know about the injuries and everything... but it's becoming how can I say "too usual" getting bad results. We can understand against Roma and Inter, but Siena? Atalanta? Cagliari? Lille?
 We're doing a Treviso-like league. And in the CL, we're going to the last 16 'cause we were lucky as hell with the draw (groups).
Well, I'm tired of this League. I wish we were already in May.Â
Why do you always compare our points to the leader's? I mean, it's not like we're going to win the Scudetto, what's the point? As for the rest, as you mentioned, we started the season with -8, now we would have 20 points and 4th place if it wouldn't have been for the deduction. I have faith in this team, and I'm pretty sure by the begining of 2007, when most of the injured players would be back, we'll start flying high again.
Posted by: Portikins Dec 3 2006, 05:32 PM
I compare 'cause in September Carlo said "We want the scudetto" and many people in this forum said it was possible. Just for that.
I really hope you're right.
Posted by: mchanna Dec 3 2006, 05:36 PM
The IF's and BUT's aren't helping.
What is necessary, results, we don't bring them.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 05:37 PM
I really hope you're right.Â
Yeah, but I doubt Carlo predicted all these injuries, posts and referee's decisions against us.
3rd or 4th place is the same, sure thing is we're gonna reach it, I'm pretty sure about it.
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 05:46 PM
3rd or 4th place is the same, sure thing is we're gonna reach it, I'm pretty sure about it.
i totally agree, this has been a disaster of a season already but these situations should make us stronger and more determined for furture challenges.
3rd place should be our target and we should be concerned what the points total is to that position, and if we can win the coppa italia well thats a nice bit of silverware anyway
Posted by: milanistar Dec 3 2006, 05:47 PM
Hey dude we're not inter we are MILAN!!!
We always play the top positions, so don't say it's OK with the draw or we'll get the cup so it still OK, no one cares about the coppa in Italy, it's actually for the losers like Inter & Co.
We're not OK, we need to win and to win fast to reach the top of the table! We can't afford to play well, hit the woodwork every game and lose or draw in the end!!!
It's just enough
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 05:52 PM
We always play the top positions, so don't say it's OK with the draw or we'll get the cup so it still OK, no one cares about the coppa in Italy, it's actually for the losers like Inter & Co.
We're not OK, we need to win and to win fast to reach the top of the table! We can't afford to play well, hit the woodwork every game and lose or draw in the end!!!
It's just enough
I'm sorry, should I mention it again? WE HAVE 9 PLAYERS INJURED. Damn, is this so difficult to understand? Just look at today's match, perfect example: Pirlo was sent off, another midfielder had to take his place and remove one of the strikers. But? THERE WAS NO OTHER MIDFIELDERS CAUSE AMBROSINI, GATTUSO, SERGHINO AND KAKA' ARE ALL INJURED. Does Inter have any injured player at the moment?
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 05:52 PM
First of all how the hell was that a penalty?? Last wekk against Messina Pippo and Gila had their shirts practically taken off in the box, the players got the yellow but no penalty for us. Now this week Suazo CLEARLY dived, Kaladze never took him out, and they are awarded a penalty??? Did the rules suddenly change in a time span of 1 week??
Fact is we got royally screwed AGAIN by the refs, that was NOT a penalty and Pirlo didn't deserve a red since he wasn't the last man.
This just keepes getting better doesn't it?? Now we have Pirlo suspended.
The only posistives I can draw from this match is that we scored 2 goals without Kaka being on the field, and both goals where from our strikers. btw Boriello should be killed for missing those t golden opportunities.
Suazo's pace was just killing us when they hit us on the counter, Kalac made some great saves however, that's another positive.
btw, blaming Seedorf because of a couple of bad passes? What's up with that. He played a good game.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 05:54 PM
I think he was the best from our side.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 06:00 PM
We always play the top positions, so don't say it's OK with the draw or we'll get the cup so it still OK, no one cares about the coppa in Italy, it's actually for the losers like Inter & Co.
We're not OK, we need to win and to win fast to reach the top of the table! We can't afford to play well, hit the woodwork every game and lose or draw in the end!!!
It's just enough
Listen, don't compare us with Inter right now, Inter have got a bench that has enough depth to keep them going even if they have as many injuries as us. Pirlo was sent off today and we had no one on that bench that was a midfielder. Carlo has his hands so tide down right now, he only can make substitues with strikers or defenders, that's how much depth we have on our bench
Just because you say we are MILAN doesn't change the fact that we are going through a seriously rough time right now. We didn't play a bad game, even when we where down to 10 men we where better then Cagliari.
Anyone here can call me what they want to call me but this situation with the refs is getting far too ridiculous!! I think that we have already gotten cheated out of a total or 12 points this season.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 06:02 PM
I guess it's the new trend, it's either Gila's fault or it's Seedorf's
Posted by: milanistar Dec 3 2006, 06:09 PM
Well it seems that we didn't see the same game
Were our problems coming from the midfield? I'm well aware of how many players are injured, but it's not the point, it's all about the attitude, we can't keep thinking that a draw is OK cause we have 9 injured players! and when I look again at the game, and all the opportunities we gave away, I keep thinking this is unacceptable from MILAN players!
The way Seedorf was walking on the pitch is just too reckless for me, even if it was Kaka that would be too much
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 06:17 PM
Were our problems coming from the midfield? I'm well aware of how many players are injured, but it's not the point, it's all about the attitude, we can't keep thinking that a draw is OK cause we have 9 injured players! and when I look again at the game, and all the opportunities we gave away, I keep thinking this is unacceptable from MILAN players!
The way Seedorf was walking on the pitch is just too reckless for me, even if it was Kaka that would be too much
Why the hell are you singleing out Seedorf?? He was probably our best player and was involved in both our goals!!!!
Imo our players showed haert today, first we went up, then we conceeded because of a penalty that should have never been given, the second was our fault, Suazo was a constant thorn, I can't see why they let him get away like that. We faught to get back up and we did. Then a player was sent off for something that didn't deserve a red. And we still where the better side even with 10 men!!!
And ofcourse the injuries have a lot to do with it! When Pirlo got sent off Carlo didn't EVEN HAVE the OPTION of choosing what type of player he wanted to field, because all he had left on the bench where defenders!!! That's how dire our situation is right now.
If Inter had Viera for example sent off they have a rich bench of class players to choose from, that's why you shouldn't compare us to them.
If we don't get a couple of players in in this tranfer window, then I don't even want to think what will become of us this season
Posted by: milanistar Dec 3 2006, 06:23 PM
I never compared MILAN to the merda!!!
That's exactly what I'm trying to say, we're not OK! And we can't afford to miss chances anymore! Playing well is not enough anymore, especially with the refs situation!
I totally agree with you!
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 06:25 PM
Cagliari 2 - 2 Milan
Gilardino 48 (M), Suazo pen 54 ©, Capone 65 ©, Borriello 70 (M)
Stadio Sant'Elia
Milan only picked up a point in Sardinia, but had Andrea Pirlo sent off in a tense and controversial encounter.
The Rossoneri entered the Stadio Sant'Elia with an injury crisis ruling out Dida, Gennaro Gattuso, Alessandro Nesta, Serginho, Giuseppe Favalli, Massimo Ambrosini, Alessandro Costacurta and Kaka. Carlo Ancelotti fielded a classic 4-4-2 with Clarence Seedorf and Yoann Gourcuff on the flanks. Their results seemed to have turned with a 1-0 victory over Messina last week - their first since round 8. Marco Fortin stepped in for injured Cagliari goalkeeper Antonio Chimenti, while Daniele Conti returned from suspension.
Seedorf stung Fortin's palms from distance, but David Suazo - a summer transfer target for Milan - went on a trademark sprint up the field and D'Agostino incredibly fired the finish off target at the back post with only Zeljko Kalac to beat.
Gourcuff's long-range left-foot effort tested Fortin, but Ricardo Oliveira wasted a good opportunity by going for glory and ignoring the unmarked Alberto Gilardino.
The unstoppable Suazo ran on to Capone's long pass to leave the Milan defenders for dead, testing Kalac with a right-foot finish.
Gourcuff cut back for Seedorf only for the Dutchman to blast well over from a promising position. Kalac flew to pluck a Daniele Conti free kick out of the air.
An Andrea Pirlo set-piece from almost 30 metres whistled past the top corner of Fortin's net,
Ancelotti introduced Marco Borriello for the disappointing Ricardo Oliveira in the second half and he almost immediately earned a corner kick. Moments later Milan took the lead, as Gilardino rose to nod in Gourcuff's cross from the left. The Frenchman combined brilliantly with Seedorf in the lead-up, but there was more than a suspicion of offside.
However, soon after the referee pointed to the spot for Kakha Kaladze's challenge on Suazo. The Honduras international was running between two defenders and Kaladze was stretching to get the ball, but it didn't seem as if Suazo would've reached it anyway, as Kalac gathered. Suazo converted, sending Kalac the wrong way, and celebrated with a T-Shirt marking his little son's birthday.
Suazo caused more problems with his pace for Ferri's shot, deflected over by Christian Brocchi.
Cagliari turned the game around completely, again inspired by Suazo. He turned Paolo Maldini and brought a tough save out of Kalac, but Capone followed the move and his looping header slotted into an empty net.
Substitute Borriello equalised for Milan with an acrobatic volley. A Gourcuff corner kick took two touches before the ex-Treviso hitman spun round from six yards to thump it in at the near post.
Matters got worse for the Rossoneri, however, as Suazo won back the ball from Gourcuff and sprinted forward. Pirlo's tackle from behind was late and he saw a straight red card.
The Sardinians were furious when Lopez was on the ground inside the area - keeping everyone onside - and Milan kept playing with Borriello firing over from close range.
Despite playing in 10 men, Milan continued to have the best chances at a winner, Borriello bringing a save out of Fortin from Pippo Inzaghi's assist. Conti's touched-on free kick for Suazo was deflected wide.
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Cagliari: Fortin; Ferri, Lopez, Bianco, Agostini; D'Agostino (Langella 79), Conti, Colucci, Esposito (Pepe 64); Capone (Del Grosso 82); Suazo
Milan: Kalac; Bonera, Kaladze, Maldini, Jankulovski; Gourcuff, Brocchi (Inzaghi 68), Pirlo, Seedorf; Ricardo Oliveira (Borriello 46), Gilardino (Simic 76)
Ref: Brighi
Sent off: Pirlo 75 (M)
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 06:26 PM
If Inter had Viera for example sent off they have a rich bench of class players to choose from, that's why you shouldn't compare us to them.
If we don't get a couple of players in in this tranfer window, then I don't even want to think what will become of us this season
Yep, this is what happens when you spare your money instead of investing them.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 06:31 PM
You didn't compare us with them but our results with their's.
They have a rich bench with a full squad of rit players to choose from. We practically don't enev HAVE a bench.
Just look at it this way, had Cagliari not been given that utterly ridiculous penalty or even if we still had 11 men on the field for the entire 90 minutes we would have won this one.
Our bad period however mostly comes from the fact we have a long injury list and practically no cover because of the lack of depth on our bench, the only thing that I can see fixing this situation is the christmas break and making good use of the January transfer window
Posted by: milanistar Dec 3 2006, 06:33 PM
Because this gay is absolutely not combative and it's killing me to see him walking when the ball is 2 or 3 meters from him!
Good enough he was involved in something, otherwise he is useless!
And if you think he was the best player, that's your choice, for me Boriello was more impressive then turtle!
And ofcourse the injuries have a lot to do with it! When Pirlo got sent off Carlo didn't EVEN HAVE the OPTION of choosing what type of player he wanted to field, because all he had left on the bench where defenders!!! That's how dire our situation is right now.
If Inter had Viera for example sent off they have a rich bench of class players to choose from, that's why you shouldn't compare us to them.
If we don't get a couple of players in in this tranfer window, then I don't even want to think what will become of us this season
I don't about the merda, as for the choice Carlo had, he could just let it the way it was, playing 3-3-3 what the hell we had to lose, a point!!!!!!!
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 06:40 PM
Good enough he was involved in something, otherwise he is useless!
And if you think he was the best player, that's your choice, for me Boriello was more impressive then turtle!
Yes Boriello was good, but he missed to GOLDEN opportunities!! And I'm usually one who comments on the fact that Seedorf likes to walk around, but come on!! He has a good game and wasn't walking around in this match. He was the one that was involved in our best chances and wasn't even slowing up the game like he usually does. He just lost the ball at a bad time that's all. Gourcuff lost the ball and we had Pirlo sent off as a result. And this is not to criticis Gourcuff (cause I love the kid already) but what I'm saying is they can make mistakes. Seedorf made a bad pass that's all. Other then that he was very good.
Brocchi was bad, I think all these games are getting to him, Pirlo was also average. And Paolo should have done better in their second goal.
At this point a draw is better then a loss. having 3 at the back with Suazo just waiting to pounce and kill us with his pace on a counter wouldn't have been such a good scenario
Posted by: milanistar Dec 3 2006, 06:43 PM
No way! I just reminded some of us that la coppa is nothing for us!
Who's comparing them to us now, I actually don't give a damn about those guys;)
Our bad period is coming from the chances we give away, plus the refs and the -8 pts penalty, Nesta, Gattuso and Kaka were there 3 or 4 weeks ago, and I don't remember we were wining!
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 06:44 PM
I come to think we should have signed Suazo in the summer transfer window when he was linked with us. When he starts his run he's unstoppable.
Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 3 2006, 06:47 PM
The fact of the matter is we werent winning games when we had these guys. from what i've seen we continue to play poorly no matter whos on the pitch(poorly in the sense we are rarely outplaying anyone, and when we do win it's never by 2 or more goals). i think we all have to face the fact that we are not even in the top teen clubs anymore and we arent even in the top 10 in italy! we're what 15th? with the ressources we have at our disposal that is a disgrace. immediate changes are needed, like 3 or 4 players should leave right now and 3-4 new guys should come in so they can all settle in and be ready for the next season, yep it's time to TRULY recuild.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 06:47 PM
Yeah I was very impressed with him.
I think we should try and go for him in January, he isn't cup tide and wouldn't cost as much as the other striker's we've been linked to. Plus he wouldn't have to adapt to serie A
Posted by: milanistar Dec 3 2006, 06:51 PM
Brocchi was bad, I think all these games are getting to him, Pirlo was also average. And Paolo should have done better in their second goal.
At this point a draw is better then a loss. having 3 at the back with Suazo just waiting to pounce and kill us with his pace on a counter wouldn't have been such a good scenario
I agree with most of what you said, but still when we were losing we played with 3 behind, and we kept the pressure on them and scored, all I'm saying is we had to give it all forward at least we would have nothing to regret!
As for Seedorf, I'm not saying he was bad I just can't take it anymore, seeing him that lazy just kills me, he seems like doesn't give a damn about it
Posted by: milanistar Dec 3 2006, 07:00 PM
We definitely need new blood, but also pace, speed and accuracy
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 07:21 PM
The killer instinct we had last season is definately gone. And that is mainly down to Pippo losing his form and us losing Sheva.
And for Seedorf, again, pace was NEVER seedorf's game, it's not something that is just coming into our view this season. And I still can't figure out why we are discussing him, he was one of our best players today, didn't slow up the pace of the game and unlike most matches he was working hard in the midfield instead of walking around like he usually does.
As for the 3-3-3 formation, if we couldn't score when the ball was practically hovering over the line and when Boriello was alone with the keeper then playing a 3-3-3 wouldn't have changed anything only increased the possiblity of getting caught out by Suazo's pace again.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 07:31 PM
Last time I remember we had all of our players on disposal was against Lazio. Since then our injury list has kept growing. First it was Serghino, then Ambrosini, Favalli, Gattuso, Dida and so on. Our current squad can't even compare for a UEFA Cup spot to be fair. When we'll have all the players on disposal and Carlo can make his decisisons in pure calmness, I'm pretty sure you'll see another Milan.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 07:38 PM
Exactly. Sergio has been out since the first match. And DAMN we miss Il Concorde
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 07:42 PM
And the fact that we have been getting bad calls that have been costing us matches since the first match against Lazio where we conceeded an offside goal and had a regular one disallowed should also be taken into account
Posted by: milanistar Dec 3 2006, 07:56 PM
Sure, and if we take in account the fact that we hit post in almost every game, plus the referee's decisions and the fact that we hadn't our penalty point reduced, we surely deserve to be ranked n°1 in the league
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 3 2006, 08:08 PM
This match was an improvment, the team played w/ humility and were hungry for results .. You could see it in Maldini: he was pushing so hard to keep up with Suoza .. Gilardino scored, that is a positive, and that is what is needed for us to start winning. If ONLY Oli didn't get injured, the result might have been in our favour.
In anycase, it's a draw, and a well deserved draw .. We played well, w/ what players we had left .. (Borrielo ?? I didnt expect much from him, a goal was more than I could ask for.)
TBH, we did really well w/o Kaka, now if Kaka was in the equation .. Well, if he only was, lets leave it at that
Posted by: milanistar Dec 3 2006, 08:26 PM
By the way, why didn't you people talk about Gila goal?
He was obviously offside 
So may be the ref gave them a PK just for compensation 
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 08:31 PM
In anycase, it's a draw, and a well deserved draw .. We played well, w/ what players we had left .. (Borrielo ?? I didnt expect much from him, a goal was more than I could ask for.)
TBH, we did really well w/o Kaka, now if Kaka was in the equation .. Well, if he only was, lets leave it at that
Agreed.
He was obviously offside
So may be the ref gave them a PK just for compensation
He was offside by a few inches. Roma scored a goal against us that offside by at least a yard. It should have been compensation for that.
Posted by: milanistar Dec 3 2006, 08:35 PM
Definitely!
I'll take a PK in the next game
Any suggestions?
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 08:40 PM
I'll take a PK in the next game
Any suggestions?
Considering we have already been denied THREE obvious penalties already, then I wouldn't count on us getting one
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 08:41 PM
Played well with ten
Carlo Ancelotti took plenty of positives from the draw at Cagliari especially when the side was reduced to ten men.
Carlo Ancelotti had this to say after Milan's 2-2 draw at Cagliari:
We could have won the game and it could have finished in a different manner. We had our chances even when we were down to ten men so I am satisfied about that. The team played well and went ahead through Gilardino. Then, we were setting up the match to control the tempo and force Cagliari to open up more. But the penalty was non-exsistent and that changed things and made it more difficult, but the players did well to bounce back. Kaladze was elbowed by Suazo, thier penalty was uncalled for as was Pirlo's sending off, he wasn't trying to foul but was going for the ball. I expect Andrea to get only a one-game suspension, anymore than that would be a joke...
I liked the way we played with four in midfield, I am especially pleased with the way things went after the break. We were playing too many long balls in the first half but the midfielders did well in the second.
Borriello lent a big hand, he helped improve the long balls. He's playing more and will get more space to play. I think it was an important performance for him as it was for us. Brocchi had a bit of a back problem but I think he will recover quickly. Kalac played well and showed what he could do with some excellent and secure saves.
Even if the result only served in terms of the league position, I saw positive signs in the second half. We wanted to win, the team played well on a difficult ground even when they were down to ten men, we got back into the game so that is positive. Now it becomes important that we beat Torino, taking advantage of a positive home result after this away draw is what counts. It won't be easy on Sunday, Torino have won three in a row but we have to find our consistency.
AC Milan.com
Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 3 2006, 09:44 PM
the point is we continue to rely on this old outdated squad, old guys get injured easily. all of these woes are due to our pooor decision and stubbornness and enough with the 8 pts cuz we deserved it cuz we cheated. our position in the tables is 100% our own doings, and theres no way around it. and we wont have a fully fit swuad all season because everyone is old and thats the risk you take when you do that.
Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 3 2006, 09:46 PM
i think ancelotti has no balls, no balls to admit that we suck and we cant win. this must be the 10th or 11th time this season he's said this and how much good has his positive comments have brought?
Carlo Ancelotti took plenty of positives from the draw at Cagliari especially when the side was reduced to ten men.
Carlo Ancelotti had this to say after Milan's 2-2 draw at Cagliari:
We could have won the game and it could have finished in a different manner. We had our chances even when we were down to ten men so I am satisfied about that. The team played well and went ahead through Gilardino. Then, we were setting up the match to control the tempo and force Cagliari to open up more. But the penalty was non-exsistent and that changed things and made it more difficult, but the players did well to bounce back. Kaladze was elbowed by Suazo, thier penalty was uncalled for as was Pirlo's sending off, he wasn't trying to foul but was going for the ball. I expect Andrea to get only a one-game suspension, anymore than that would be a joke...
I liked the way we played with four in midfield, I am especially pleased with the way things went after the break. We were playing too many long balls in the first half but the midfielders did well in the second.
Borriello lent a big hand, he helped improve the long balls. He's playing more and will get more space to play. I think it was an important performance for him as it was for us. Brocchi had a bit of a back problem but I think he will recover quickly. Kalac played well and showed what he could do with some excellent and secure saves.
Even if the result only served in terms of the league position, I saw positive signs in the second half. We wanted to win, the team played well on a difficult ground even when they were down to ten men, we got back into the game so that is positive. Now it becomes important that we beat Torino, taking advantage of a positive home result after this away draw is what counts. It won't be easy on Sunday, Torino have won three in a row but we have to find our consistency.
AC Milan.com
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 09:53 PM
Milan never even where Charged of cheating, we where accused of unsports-men like conduct, not match fixing.
The fact that we have all these injuries is due to the fact that we have an old squad yes, I can't argue with you there.
Our posistion in the table is partly us not taking the chances we create because of our lack of sharpness in front of goal and the fact that we have been getting unfaverable ref calls all through the season which if you count have robbed us of at least 12 points already. That ammount of points would see us in the top 4 right now
And this is not just an excuse, most TV experts who are NEUTRALS all agree that Milan have been cheated out a sufficient ammount of points already this season.And of course the 8 points count. Look at Lazio who where MUCH more implecated then us, they got off scott free, and had their penalty reduced by a ridiculous ammount.
Posted by: misha Dec 3 2006, 10:26 PM
I missed the game because of work but it seems that we weren't playing so bad and the ref screw us once again
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 10:29 PM
We played a good match over all, even with 10 men we where the better team and had the chance to win the game twice with 2 great chances that where unbelievably missed!
Cagliari's penalty was never a penalty and Pirlo got a straight red when he wasn't even the last man
Posted by: misha Dec 3 2006, 10:38 PM
Something isn't kosher here. This happening practically almost every game.
Posted by: dst Dec 3 2006, 10:40 PM
Oh I thought he was pure crap!!
"At least we didn't lose"
"At least we got 1 point, that's good"
"We don't need to sign any players in january"
"Milan is Milan"
"Milan is still Nr.1 in Europe"
"Everything's okay, everybody has to go through rough times"
I regard the Coppa as high as a vase!!
Lazio's goal wasn't an offside. It was (unbelievably) poor defending by Serginho!! Anyway... the ref was bad again today but don't be one-sided, Gila's goal was offside (by a few inches or not it doesn't matter)!!
I don't think Kaka would add to what we saw today. By saying so I mean that we play very different with Kaka than we did today... the result could have been better or worse!!
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 10:41 PM
And the fact that we where DENIED penalties in other games for much worse fouls then the Suazo dive is what's bothering me.
In the Messina match it went past the redicualous stage when a player was shown yellow for a foul in the box and then there was no penalty given
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 10:46 PM
I think we desrve a little of re-embercment considering the fact that Roma scored their winner against us while being off side by a mile.
Gila's goal is debatable. He was off-side while Seedorf had the ball, but Seedorf played the ball to Gourcuff and then it was crossed in. While this was happening Gila was offside then got back in line with Cagliari's defenders.
Still a debatable goal. I know but considering the ref things that have been happening to us this season, I frankly don't give a damn if it was off side or not.
I think Kaka would have definately helped. He is the one that makes our game fast, wothout him we lack any sort of pace.
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 10:51 PM
dst you may hold the value of the coppa as high as a vase but it's gonna be the only thing we have a chance of winning this season. so i say why not give it ago and hopefully end up this season with a trophy and god forbid we don't make the top 4 (which i'm pretty sure we will) we have the uefa cup. all this is worse case scenerio but i can't guess what this season's gonna throw up next!!
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 10:52 PM
I'm guessing a big piece of *****
Posted by: dst Dec 3 2006, 10:55 PM
That was absolutely ridiculous... I have never seen something like it before!!
I think Kaka would have definately helped. He is the one that makes our game fast, wothout him we lack any sort of pace.
Roma's goal wasn't offside!!
Anyway... I don't think that's the case... we played entirely different... we even scored twice without him. That means something and showed to our players that they shouldn't be waiting for Ricky to cast his spells every time!!
What I'm trying to say is that if Ricky was here then if they had managed to close him down then the game for us would be over as usual cause everyone's depending on him when he's playing. Now that we were forced to play without him alternative attacking options were tried out and wow they worked!!
Posted by: mchanna Dec 3 2006, 10:59 PM
... I heard that this rule doesn't exist anymore.
And that when it's a hard tackle, red is allowed, but in 9 from 10 it's yellow
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 10:59 PM
Roma's goal wasn't offside!!
Yes it was. I'm talking about their second.
When you're watching the match you don't even noptice it because the TV angles don't show it. But I was watching a program on Milan channel and with their angles you could see that is was off side by at least a metre and a half. X-offender and MANY others would confirm this.
What I'm trying to say is that if Ricky was here then if they had managed to close him down then the game for us would be over as usual cause everyone's depending on him when he's playing. Now that we were forced to play without him alternative attacking options were tried out and wow they worked!!
Got it and you're right.
I think everyone get's too dependent on him, just like we were on Sheva before.
Boriello's goal was pretty amazing btw
Posted by: dst Dec 3 2006, 11:00 PM
wow!! why don't we get a vase instead!!
"We won nothing this year" and "We won the Coppa Italia this year" sounds the same to me!! And it is the same for Milan...
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 11:02 PM
And that when it's a hard tackle, red is allowed, but in 9 from 10 it's yellow
Exactly 9 out of 10 times a yellow would have been given. and last time I checked the rule still was that if he was the last man and there is a goal scoring opportunity then it should be red, and that definately wasn't a last man situation and it was far from a goal scoring opportunity
Posted by: dst Dec 3 2006, 11:03 PM
it doesn't exist in the way han described it. The book reads "A red card is shown when a tackle is taken on a player in an evident goal position" not "last man" or anything like that!
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 11:04 PM
Still it was definately not a clear goal scoring opportunity
Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 11:05 PM
for dst this is what X-offender said about Roma's second
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 11:07 PM
Can't you get it? "We won nothing this year" and "We won the Coppa Italia this year" sounds the same to me!!
can't i get what? that you want to pick and choose what we do and don't win!
the coppa italia is mickey mouse that's not in question but to say if we won it we won nothing makes you sound a bit spoilt
Posted by: mchanna Dec 3 2006, 11:10 PM
well... that cagliari winced in pain
really good
Posted by: dst Dec 3 2006, 11:11 PM
Agreed.
I believe in your word han you didn't have to post this!!the coppa italia is mickey mouse that's not in question but to say if we won it we won nothing makes you sound a bit spoilt
I erased the "can't you get it part", I find it offensive myself!!
Well it may be that I'm spoilt but in any case Milan made me so and I honestly feel the way I said above; Coppa Italia really feels like a TIM Cup stature trophy!!
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 11:13 PM
i prefer the mickey mouse seasons a disaster trophy
but sometimes beggers can't be choosers
Posted by: mchanna Dec 3 2006, 11:16 PM
we already are linked with david suazo...
Cagliari: Suazo `Piaccio al Milan? Fa piacere`
http://it.sports.yahoo.com/03122006...fa-piacere.html
Posted by: dst Dec 3 2006, 11:16 PM
and I'm spoiled enough to be annoyed by this!!
No matter our position on the table or even the league we're in (hell even in Serie Z15) Milan will never be beggers!!
That's why I don't care about the CI in the first place!!
Posted by: mishie Dec 3 2006, 11:19 PM
No matter our position on the table or even the league we're in (hell even in Serie Z15) Milan will never be beggers!!
this is lost in translation
it's a saying in england which basically means you can't always have everything
sorry
Posted by: dst Dec 3 2006, 11:22 PM
it's a saying in england which basically means you can't always have everything
sorry
well then it's either something/everything or nothing... Coppa Italia reflects a figure of the latter!!
Oh please let's stop now, I'm tired!!
Coppa Italia or not if we end up with nothing else than than it will be an awful season!!
Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 3 2006, 11:51 PM
Well i saw the game in the morning.. and getting used to smoke a pack of cigarretes and drink so early ! , but im quite sad and dissapointed , and well my hopes are all gone , if they don't move on the invernal transfer market for new players, in two months will be also crying when we get smacked from the UCL...
and when that happens.. this will get really messi
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