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Posted by: TriniKing_CE Dec 20 2013, 12:31 AM
Honda shirt at Milan Megastore
...not officially a Milan just yet, but will be soon enough. All related talk here!
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 20 2013, 12:39 AM
http://www.football-italia.net/42997/de-jong-impressed-honda
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Dec 20 2013, 05:21 AM
I'm glad he's coming. Not so glad about the burden of expectations on him. Lest we forget he doesn't even speak the language.
However for me just as crucial if not more so, will be the contribution of Adil Rami. I want to see how he fits in. He is going to be a big big factor in the second half of the season.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 20 2013, 09:39 AM
I just don't rate him. Basically living off his World Cup 2010. It's no surprise to me that no other club has been interested in signing him and that his big move is a free to a club in free fall.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 23 2013, 07:58 AM
+1
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 23 2013, 03:32 PM
I hope he makes you all eat your words. 
Posted by: Zed.D Dec 23 2013, 06:42 PM
^^ It'll be really hard for Honda to make us win games again so I too wouldn't hold my breath. he may be a good footballer, but that doesn't guarantee anything.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 23 2013, 07:23 PM
Well, no, I don't think Honda is the type of player who can win you games single-handedly. But he'll provide that amount of quality which we really, really lack.
Posted by: William405 Dec 23 2013, 07:30 PM
Wasn't Kaka supposed to be that type of player for us? Or even Saponara?
What we lack most is not a certain player, but stability. Allegri has done far less with a more mediocre team.
Example: Last year.
This year though it's not going well for him at all.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 23 2013, 07:57 PM
Um, I don't think so.
Posted by: William405 Dec 23 2013, 08:02 PM
Weren't we lacking the creative type of players in midfield? I'd put all of the above mentioned players in the same bracket of "creative players" who produce something in the attacking phase of the game. That's just my opinion though.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 23 2013, 09:33 PM
Yeah, Kaka' means signing Honda won't actually improve the first XI at all. I'd rather a 4-3-1-2 with Pazzo joining Balo up front than a X-Mas tree with Kaka'/Honda.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 23 2013, 11:11 PM
Kaká, maybe. Saponara has never played, though. And come on, are you gonna compare an affirmed player like Honda to someone who had played only in Serie B before we signed him?
That doesn't mean I don't rate Saponara. I just hope that his fine performance last night makes Allegri wanna keep him. He's the perfect sub for either Kaká or Honda.
Really? You, the fiercest critic of 4-3-1-2 want us to play that instead of a formation that gives us more creativity and width? I'm surprised.
Posted by: William405 Dec 23 2013, 11:15 PM
That doesn't mean I don't rate Saponara. I just hope that his fine performance last night makes Allegri wanna keep him. He's the perfect sub for either Kaká or Honda.
Really? You, the fiercest critic of 4-3-1-2 want us to play that instead of a formation that gives us more creativity and width? I'm surprised.
No, not really. But, how many player do we need in that hole? I expected Kaka with Saponara being his sub..and Robihno/Montolivo playing in emergency situations. If we're playing a 4-3-2-1, then it might be different I guess..I'm not an avid supporter of that formation to be honest though. We have so many strikers for one position only? If that's not funny, I don't know what is.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 23 2013, 11:18 PM
I think 4-3-2-1 is what suits us best right now. 4-2-3-1 would be welcomed, too. Kaká, Honda and El Shaarawy/Saponara behind Balo/Pazzini. But if Nainggolan is coming as well, then:
Abate - Mexes - Rami - MDS
Nainggolan - De Jong - Montolivo
Honda - Kaká
Balotelli
... is clearly the way to go. That, my friends, is a Serie A contender line-up, if I may dare say so.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 23 2013, 11:19 PM
Unless SES is on the pitch we should avoid a 4-3-1-2, Balo has shown us time and again that he does well when he's the furthest guy upfront. He's not good at being the second striker, and when you play someone like Pazzo or Matri you're either going to play them as a lone striker or as a prima punta in a 2 striker system, and in that type of system Balo would want to occupy the same positions.
So imo, we have 2 options. Either we go for a 4-2-3-1 and incorporate all of Kaka, Balo, Honda and SES or we got for a 4-3-2-1 and use Kaka and Honda behind Balo.
A 4-3-1-2 wouldn't make sense because then you're leaving out one of Kaka or Honda and imo, that makes absolutely no sense.
Anyways, don't know why we're even debating this, I'm sure Allegri will find fun and creative ways to ensure that all that talent at his disposal is wasted and we'll be treated to the Birsa show a couple more times this season I'm sure
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 24 2013, 12:09 AM
4-3-2-1 gives us no width at all when those players are Kaka' and Honda.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 24 2013, 01:03 AM
But when han and I some time ago were saying we shouldn't play 4-3-3 because we don't have wingers, you said having wingers or not isn't really what makes 4-3-3 work, and that Aston Villa had been playing 4-3-3 properly without any real wingers. How's this different?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 24 2013, 08:32 AM
Because it was with strikers, they occupy forward positions. Honda and Kaka' will both naturally drift inside and come back for the ball. This means Balo is going to be isolated and we'll be too narrow.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 24 2013, 09:52 AM
I honestly don't think it's what we lack. We lack real class right now, above everything. Honda for me is an addition in quantity, not in quality.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Dec 24 2013, 01:12 PM
Maybe maybe not. I'm inclined to agree with you, but I'll wait to see him in action first.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 24 2013, 02:12 PM
So you'd prefer a headless chicken like Niang instead?
4-3-2-1 is clearly the formation that suits us best right now. That, or try 4-2-3-1.
We lack many things, Fillipo. I'm not saying Honda will save the country, but it's the type of player we really need right now.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 24 2013, 04:28 PM
What does he bring that we haven't got already with SES or Robinho? Granted, he might be more exprienced the SES and offers tactically different options. But I really don't see a big step forward with him.
But Jack is right. I might be jumping the gun here.
Posted by: acid911 Dec 24 2013, 04:34 PM
You probably are.
Just a tad. He offers that small select level of quality that we just could put to good use. And besides, a player like him never hurts. I've wanted us to sign him for years now, if only for the push he provides us in the Far East. Now whether we capitalize on his signing or not, time will tell.But as a player, we could have done a lot worse, I tell you. Honda may not be class, but he's more than alright.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 24 2013, 04:35 PM
But SES and Robinho are strikers, Honda is a midfielder. And he has more vision and than all our midfielders combined. That's why I'm saying we really need a player like him right now.
Posted by: acid911 Dec 24 2013, 04:36 PM
Plus, he brings free kicks. 
Something that SES and Robinho can only dream of.
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 4 2014, 08:13 PM
He's here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vnC5rHw4jA
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jan 4 2014, 09:51 PM
Then you have no idea how he can help us... I'll let you wait for the day berlu coughs up millions, because I certainly won't. Until then, We have gotten a very good trequartista for nothing. My only fear is that once our form picks up and honda is identified as a valuable asset (and perhaps an indispensable force for creation and vision in our midfield), we leave unlearned the lesson of coughing up a small chunk of dough for getting players 6 months earlier and actually APPEAR to give a f*** about the season. Confidence, whether infused in sport or in business, is an important asset and one that has not followed the current Milan - and when could a fanbase ever be confident when it`s FO won't allow their team the seriousness it deserves.
Posted by: Zed.D Jan 4 2014, 10:06 PM
I'm a little excited. sham on me, ha?
Posted by: Danny Jan 4 2014, 11:26 PM
I won't lie, seeing a new face here has got me excited myself. 
Welcome to AC Milan Keisuke Honda.
Really hope we go that 3-1 formation discussed last year.
Posted by: Ry4n Jan 5 2014, 08:34 AM
Posted by: Zed.D Jan 5 2014, 09:55 AM
Lately the E and R keys on my laptop have decided to work randomly...
Posted by: Ry4n Jan 5 2014, 03:29 PM
Lately the E and R keys on my laptop have decided to work randomly...i can hardly talk i make spelling mistakes for a living !
Posted by: Ry4n Jan 7 2014, 01:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5NvzMgl5Bc
Posted by: han2503 Jan 7 2014, 03:32 PM
Can't wait to see him playing
Ideally him and Kaka behind Balo
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 7 2014, 04:09 PM
He really looks like a yakuza boss.
Posted by: Ry4n Jan 7 2014, 05:35 PM
Ideally him and Kaka behind Balo
me too at last another play maker !
Posted by: Ry4n Jan 8 2014, 08:19 AM
AC Milan | Keisuke Honda Official Presentation (ENG) 4 hours from posting this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-Wo6kUlc8
Posted by: Ry4n Jan 8 2014, 12:59 PM
Highlights were :
Alot of strange questions from the media about samurai spirit which Honda jokingly shrugged off.
He looked very nervous , i don't think he likes media attention at all. He kept looking at his watch probably wanting it all to end so he can play.
Was asked why he showed no emotion when we scored the other day while Galliani showed plenty...considering its pretty hard to out do Galliani celebrations...he answered along the lines of i would like to be playing and celebrating on the pitch.
Posted by: han2503 Jan 8 2014, 01:29 PM
Lol @ Galliani still having a flip phone
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 8 2014, 01:34 PM
Won't play against Sassuolo either. 
Posted by: Danny Jan 8 2014, 02:55 PM
Uh, why!? Allegri stated he would.
Posted by: Danny Jan 8 2014, 02:56 PM
Alot of strange questions from the media about samurai spirit which Honda jokingly shrugged off.
He looked very nervous , i don't think he likes media attention at all. He kept looking at his watch probably wanting it all to end so he can play.
Was asked why he showed no emotion when we scored the other day while Galliani showed plenty...considering its pretty hard to out do Galliani celebrations...he answered along the lines of i would like to be playing and celebrating on the pitch.
Thought he looked bored more than nervous. Also strikes me as rather intelligent and speaks very good English.
Posted by: Ry4n Jan 8 2014, 03:19 PM
Almost looked like he was going to cry at the start the way he started to talking very timid. Also when he was being shown around Milanello he asked were the camera's going to follow him all the time to which a few moments later the milan rep asked them to stop recording him for a few minutes...I don't think he likes interviews or being put on a pedal stool he looks very reserved and ready to work hard for the team to props to our new signing!
Also i did't know Allegri spoke english interesting.
Posted by: Danny Jan 8 2014, 03:40 PM
Also i did't know Allegri spoke english interesting.
Japanese people are very quiet and mild, despite the wackiness we see here in the west from them. They're a very polite and reserved people and it's not surprising Honda's the same.
And I didn't know about Allegri either.
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 8 2014, 04:10 PM
Jet lag, according to Galliani.
Posted by: Ry4n Jan 8 2014, 05:34 PM
For those that missed it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvw5D47xX5M
Last note on the press conference : Found it funny when they showed the video Milan channel made on Honda " Arriving at Milan " which starts at 4minutes 30 with scenes from him in the San Siro at one point his references the video saying along the lines of its like a farewell film of Honda then a the arrival of Honda to which everyone laughed Galliani and reporters. I do like his wit its refreshing.
Gotta have a bit of Jimmy !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCShFLwAjXs
Posted by: Danny Jan 8 2014, 05:46 PM
To be exact, he said Honda's participation in said game is uncertain due to jet lag, and they'd await a medical verdict before making the final decision.
So he may still feature.
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 8 2014, 09:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL9IkFQInkA
I'm really looking forward to this guy, but you'd think we've signed Cristiano Ronaldo or something with all the publicity we're giving him.
Posted by: han2503 Jan 8 2014, 11:14 PM
I'm really looking forward to this guy, but you'd think we've signed Cristiano Ronaldo or something with all the publicity we're giving him.
He's literally a marketing goldmine so it's refreshing to actually see us being pro-active for once and capitalising on a great opportunity
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 8 2014, 11:42 PM
Yeah, it's not Cristiano Ronaldo, but it's a big Asian marketing venture.
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 9 2014, 12:27 AM
Yeah, I know that. It's just weird.
Posted by: Danny Jan 9 2014, 08:38 AM
It's related, slightly, but I wrote a piece on Rangers about marketing.
http://www.ibroxnoise.co.uk/2013/07/the-global-rangers-brand-just-how-big.html
You're wondering 'wtf' does this have to do with Milan and Honda. You'll figure it out if you read the piece.
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 10 2014, 09:07 AM
So, his name is spelled Hondá, with accent on 'a'.
Posted by: William405 Jan 10 2014, 07:26 PM
Really excited about this signing. Hopefully not another player wasted under the helm of Allegri.
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 10 2014, 08:07 PM
Well, considering Allegri is leaving at the end of the season, I would highly doubt it.
Posted by: William405 Apr 5 2014, 11:16 AM
The Japan international spoke to La Gazzetta dello Sport in a wide-ranging interview on his Serie A experience since arriving from CSKA Moscow on a free transfer in January.
“Criticism doesn’t please me, of course, but you are all free to write what you want. I feel that soon my first Serie A goal will arrive and it is going to be an important moment.
“I am very determined. I came here in order to become a champion with Milan. It’s a long road, but there is a great project here and the Japanese are patient people.”
Honda has been dropped occasionally by Coach Seedorf, who said he still needs to get to grips with his tactics.
“I often speak to Seedorf, as his English is excellent, so it is easy to understand each other. Above all at the beginning I didn’t understand a lot of things, so I went to his room to get into more detail.
“At the start I didn’t feel at ease on the right, but Kaka is already in the centre and he’s playing well, so I need to find my space.
“Things are going a little better compared to the first few games. Of course the centre is my home, as I love to play behind the striker, but Seedorf said I have the qualities to play on the right and players do need to adapt at times.
“We have different philosophies, but the important thing is to have a dialogue. We talk every day.”
Honda brushed off suggestions he felt there wasn’t enough enthusiasm from the fans around his arrival.
“I wasn’t the Number One in Japan or Moscow either. Football is a team sport. I like pressure and big expectations. That is my personality.
“I didn’t expect the fans to have patience: I chose the Number 10 jersey and was given a big presentation. I know people expect a lot from me, but I have faith in myself and criticism never gets me down.
“I cannot judge the atmosphere at San Siro, but I hope that if we play better then more people will come. Playing beautiful football and calling the fans to the stadium are among my ambitions.
“As for the results, none of us are satisfied, but we are working to improve constantly. I knew that I’d run into difficulties at Milan, but I chose this club because I had always dreamed of being here.”
Source: Football-italia.net
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 5 2014, 08:56 PM
Its not even been 3 months since he moved, it is only normal that his settling in would take time. I would wait till next season to pass judgement, as he is a good player that has experience and is a team player considering what i saw first hand against chievo. Even off the ball, his movements were good, just lacks the mutual understanding within the team.
Posted by: milanbuf88 Apr 5 2014, 10:00 PM
He hasn't been fantastic so far but I'm willing to give him a full summer training with the team to see if he has the ability. I love his attitude. I think we'll continue to improve.
Posted by: Linkman Apr 6 2014, 02:12 AM
He came on a free, and brings in dough from a market we didn't have. He'd still be worth keeping if he sucked (he doesn't).
Posted by: acid911 Apr 6 2014, 01:31 PM
Word.
As long as he's good enough, he's worth keeping for that special Far East touch that he brings. I wanted us to sign this guy since, what 2007 round abouts, because I was aware what he meant for marketing. For the time being I am yet to be totally impressed, but he's carried himself rather well.I can only imagine how hard it muse be for Honda to communicate with the other players on the pitch. Unless he's got some super secret Italian language skills that we are unaware of.
Posted by: han2503 Apr 6 2014, 04:52 PM
As long as he's good enough, he's worth keeping for that special Far East touch that he brings. I wanted us to sign this guy since, what 2007 round abouts, because I was aware what he meant for marketing. For the time being I am yet to be totally impressed, but he's carried himself rather well.I can only imagine how hard it muse be for Honda to communicate with the other players on the pitch. Unless he's got some super secret Italian language skills that we are unaware of.
Well he speaks great English from what I can tell and I do think that most of the non-Italian players in the team plus Balo do speak English as well
Posted by: acid911 Apr 6 2014, 05:47 PM
Nice.
He's one guy that I really want to do well for us. Let's hope he comes good!
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 6 2014, 06:26 PM
Yeah I believe in his recent interview he mentioned that he speaks frequently with Seedorf in English.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 7 2014, 05:36 AM
Yup. He speaks to Zee, Balo and Taraabt in English, Zee of course has excellent English skills. I love Zee. He is my hero. 
Posted by: Danny Apr 7 2014, 03:49 PM
There's also the small fact he conducted his press conference mostly in English.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 3 2014, 11:51 PM
I admit I was off-the-mark with this guy. When we signed him I thought he could really offer that much needed quality, passing and vision we lacked, but I've seen enough of him to say that he offers nothing of the such. His passing and field of vision are very limited. He can pull the simple pass or the obvious long ball, but in terms of creativity he's very, very average.
He totally reminds me of Montolivo. I thought Monto would become the brains of our midfield, but the guy is just an average CM more suited for dirty work than organizing play and making the smart pass. I suppose that's what you get from players you paid nothing for.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 4 2014, 12:33 AM
Agreed.
Posted by: Danny Nov 4 2014, 03:05 PM
He had a very bright 3 matches and it deluded all of us into thinking he was suddenly a sensation, but if we really nitpick those displays he didn't exactly produce dominant passing or quality assists. It shows how desperate we are for a hero that Honda with a few goals suddenly went from zero to star in our eyes. He's back to zero.
Monto's first season was rather good; while his passing was not always outstanding he did a lot of all-round work in midfield. It made him seem better than he was.
Last season was a disaster - the captaincy didn't help, as I say I think it was one of the outstanding reasons he was so poor. While I'd say 'average CM' might be harsh (I'd argue Poli's closer to that while being a decent wee player anyway) he certainly isn't anything special and he isn't going to fix our current form crisis.
On a positive note he's really good in FIFA. So's Torres. He's my Serie A top scorer after 21 games with 37 goals
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 4 2014, 03:38 PM
Do you play FIFA on 'amateur'?
Posted by: Danny Nov 4 2014, 04:40 PM
Semi pro. I gave Professional a shot but got destroyed by Porto in my mock-Champions League
Posted by: Danny Nov 4 2014, 04:53 PM
PS Torres is an 80 in it (I think, at least 80) so he really is extremely good no matter what difficulty setting.
If only the real one was half as good as that.
PPS: I just beat Juve 3-2 - nice revenge for the 1-0 loss earlier in the season.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 4 2014, 05:02 PM
Your FIFA season sounds much more interesting than our real season.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2014, 11:16 PM
Semi pro. I gave Professional a shot but got destroyed by Porto in my mock-Champions League
I thought that was the case when you said that about Honda, I can't stand him in FIFA! So slow and bulky!
So far I'm up to World Class, haven't tried legendary
Btw, I think you guys are jumping the gun, as usual with this one, so first we all dismiss him, then he's the second coming after a couple of good games, now he's sh!t again.
The problem is that he's stuck on his wing, and there's not much he can do in terms of vision and passing when he's stuck wide and his only options are usually to pass back to Abate or cross himself.
I personally feel like he's been trying to make the best out of a bad situation through sheer hard work, but Serie A sides figure these types of players out easily, all you have to do is close him down quickly and he's out of the game on that right side, same thing with SES on the opposite side.
I'll reserve my judgment about his skill set until we see him in a position where he can utilise them, a position where he's being properly used.
Posted by: Danny Nov 4 2014, 11:47 PM
Yeah he sucks in FIFA (guess that one's quite realistic). I have him as trequartista but considering a change again. Unfortunately I lost SES and De Jong through injury so I'm having to pick fucking Menez!
I think I jumped in at the deep end at professional, I'll try to win the league and see if I can upgrade after that. Or I may switch over to Pro Evo once it's out as the demo is frankly bewilderingly good IMO.
The problem is that he's stuck on his wing, and there's not much he can do in terms of vision and passing when he's stuck wide and his only options are usually to pass back to Abate or cross himself.
And yet, for 3 games he almost looked half decent, and we all went ballistic thinking he was Herr Christ himself, as you say, because we are so desperate for a hero, a player we can truly rely on. In those 3 games of 'decentry' he was still on the wing.
I'll reserve my judgment about his skill set until we see him in a position where he can utilise them, a position where he's being properly used.
Won't happen under Pippo. With MvG leaving in January back to Chelsea Inzaghi is starting to look like he literally doesn't know what he's doing now.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 5 2014, 12:09 AM
The problem is that he's stuck on his wing, and there's not much he can do in terms of vision and passing when he's stuck wide and his only options are usually to pass back to Abate or cross himself.
No, no, no, no. Where he plays has got nothing to do with his passing and vision. I've seen him plenty of times in the centre during a game when other players were free, but he didn't have neither the intelligence nor capability to spot them and make the clever pass. He's very limited in that regard. He's a creator, but very average, like Montolivo. And the fact that they're our two most gifted midfielders says A LOT about how far we've fallen from the Pirlo and Seedorf days.
Posted by: Danny Nov 5 2014, 12:43 AM
It's frustrating when you lobby for the manager to do something, or for a particular thing to happen, and keep cursing the fact it doesn't, and then it finally does and works out nothing like you hoped.
Honda in the centre is pretty much your incarnation of that, Torres so far has been mine. I truly believed he would turn himself around at Milan, but I'd say he's worse than he was at Chelsea.
I'm also sick of people 'blaming the team' for a player's failures. Milan were fairly strong before we signed Ibra, in terms of the squad, but hadn't won the league for years. Bingo, he brought class with him and elevated the club to a level it simply hadn't been without him. If 'blaming the team' was valid, the team would have dragged him down, not the other way around. Same with Suarez at Liverpool - made a mediocre team absolutely world class, and manages to drag Uruguay pretty much alone.
My point? Class shines everywhere, even if it sometimes takes a little time. Torres is no longer class, he's a washed-up wreck of a player with no confidence. Honda is average - nothing more, nothing less. I even watched him centrally for Japan at Brazil - he wasn't much better.
Posted by: Danny Nov 6 2014, 04:54 PM
So far I'm up to World Class, haven't tried legendary
PS forgot to ask this: YOU PLAY FIFA?!
You've literally never been in the video games thread ever.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 6 2014, 05:48 PM
Off Topic is forbidden grounds for Han.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2014, 06:05 PM
You've literally never been in the video games thread ever.
Yep!
Not really my kind of hang out
Truth is, I don't really check that section out because I usually see what new posts come up in the Milan threads and don't scroll down that far
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 7 2014, 04:11 PM
Very rational analysis. +1
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 26 2014, 10:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwxMBJmZ-K0
I want this player back! Notice his simple yet effective style of play. Nice touches, quality passing and an overall decent vision. And before someone brings up the quality of the opponent, that barely has anything to do with his playing style. Ever since Seedorf and especially now Pippo relegated him on the wing, he's become a second-rate winger who offers nothing, and tries too hard to be a kind of player he isn't.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 26 2014, 11:52 PM
One match? Really?
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 27 2014, 12:01 AM
Yes, really.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 27 2014, 12:03 AM
Naah, no thanks. I need some harder proof for that theory. But I agree with you on the basic premises; Pippo shouldn't be so stubborn with his system. Trying out different things and positions shouldn't be that kind of a problem.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 27 2014, 12:06 AM
You need harder proof? How about the fact that he has played as ACM throughout his entire career? I still stand by my opinion that he's average, but he would offer much more in the center. Or at least he wouldn't be completely useless.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 27 2014, 12:13 AM
Well, he isn't completely useless with us on the right as well. I really don't know, did he play ACM in Holland as well or was a winger back there?
Anyhow, I trust Clarence and his choices. He does understand how a midfield works and surely wouldn't play him out of his soft spot.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 27 2014, 12:21 AM
Anyhow, I trust Clarence and his choices. He does understand how a midfield works and surely wouldn't play him out of his soft spot.
Not completely useless? OK, perhaps we have different definitions of what a useless player represents. For me it's someone who has no impact on the game, who offers little to nothing and looks like an outsider on the pitch. Honda ticks all the boxes for me in that regard.
Yes, he played as ACM at Venlo and at CSKA, and has always played as ACM for Japan. He's even played as CM in some occasions. But regardless of that, it's very easy to see that he's out of depth on the wing. At least give him a good run of games as ACM and see what he can offer.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Dec 15 2014, 02:18 PM
Honda: "I expect that it will be a difficult game vs. Roma. I want to play better than I did vs. Napoli, so I need to train well this week."
source: milanello/twitter
Posted by: Danny Dec 16 2014, 04:07 PM
source: milanello/twitter
You haven't played well since you arrived, son, 3 games earlier this season aside. We were duped into thinking you were the Second Coming of Christ, but in reality you're a flop.
If we can dupe someone else into paying good money for him to take this waster off our hands, great. I stand by the marketing thing - he's got massive value as a marketing tool, and if we can sell that side of things, of a player who can make a club big in Japan and Asia as a whole, then excellent. But as a player he's just horrible.
He and Torres have been excruciating disappointments. Torres gets '1' for effort, Honda gets '2' for a few nice goals.
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 16 2015, 09:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZqaWWp7pQ
Posted by: arivanjj Jan 23 2015, 11:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROgG5Zh-gNY
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 23 2015, 11:14 PM
Not really watching this Asia Cup, but from the posts Honda gets, he's playing terrible, yes?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 23 2015, 11:53 PM
Haven't watched it either. Japan must be very disappointed with the tournament though, I'm guessing they were 2nd favourites at worst?
Posted by: arivanjj Jan 23 2015, 11:57 PM
to be honest i haven't watched much of the tournament either. it's held here but not broadcast on free TV which is quite sad...
but yes Japan were one of the favourites
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 25 2015, 03:19 PM
He scored three goals in the first three games. That's all I know.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 8 2016, 06:22 PM
Bumped
Honestly don't see where he'll fit into Montella's system.
At least he's good at selling shirts
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 8 2016, 10:18 PM
I read somewhere that he was asked to give up the #10 shirt. Which sounds about right.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 8 2016, 10:49 PM
Me too. Yes, he's more of a 12.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 9 2016, 06:30 PM
Read that he wants to leave, his agent was supposed to meet with Galliani this week apparently
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 9 2016, 07:47 PM
Fine with me. A very limited player, suited for the likes of Köln or Genoa.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 2 2017, 07:27 AM
Moved. Contract expired. Another player who was always exemplary in his attitude, just not good enough for Milan.
Good luck Honda.
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 2 2017, 08:08 PM
I had such high hopes for him, but what a huge let down he turned out to be.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 2 2017, 10:37 PM
Never had any hopes, fulfilled all I expected.
Posted by: Danny Jul 3 2017, 01:10 AM
I remember we chatted about the real reason we signed him - shirt sales in the Far East. Honda will go down as the worst signing in recent memory on the pitch, but the best off it.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 3 2017, 09:15 AM
Don't think so, he came for free after all and he did provide a couple of good performances when he first got here.
We've made far worse deals than Honda
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 3 2017, 11:11 AM
Haha. Kevin Constant comes to bind. As does Urby Emmanuelson.
Posted by: Danny Jul 3 2017, 11:13 AM
No he didn't - it took him months to settle in, then he produced two good displays in a row and we honestly thought he was a player.
On the pitch. Given what we expected? No, we haven't. Not in recent times.
Posted by: Danny Jul 3 2017, 11:14 AM
Constant wasn't even half bad at times. Crucial part of our UCL team when Mexes and Zapata were at the back for us.
Urby was just horrendously coached.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 3 2017, 01:40 PM
Both were relatively cheap as well.
I think bigger mistakes were someone like Traore for example, who we brought in for free, never played because he was absolute horse cr@p and we paid 5m gross per year
Some of the free agents we brought in cost us the most money over the last decade or so.
Of course there were other problematic players which cost us a lot more than Honda like Robinho for example.
And there are still more individual on this current team who are a financial burden and nothing else
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 3 2017, 01:46 PM
I think bigger mistakes were someone like Traore for example, who we brought in for free, never played because he was absolute horse cr@p and we paid 5m gross per year
Some of the free agents we brought in cost us the most money over the last decade or so.
Of course there were other problematic players which cost us a lot more than Honda like Robinho for example.
And there are still more individual on this current team who are a financial burden and nothing else
A few outliers sure - Like Jherson Vergara and all but we're not too bad in terms of squad utilities I think.
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 3 2017, 07:04 PM
I think bigger mistakes were someone like Traore for example, who we brought in for free, never played because he was absolute horse cr@p and we paid 5m gross per year
Some of the free agents we brought in cost us the most money over the last decade or so.
Of course there were other problematic players which cost us a lot more than Honda like Robinho for example.
And there are still more individual on this current team who are a financial burden and nothing else
At least Robinho contributed to our scudetto win that year...
Posted by: amancik Jul 4 2017, 12:25 AM
Even Nocerino contributed to our scudetto that year.
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 4 2017, 06:48 AM
Nope, we signed Nocerino the following season.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jul 4 2017, 10:41 AM
I am pretty sure Nocerino played the season that we won Scudetto. He scored 8 goals I think.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 4 2017, 10:43 AM
No. He was signed the next season.
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 4 2017, 10:09 PM
Yes. We won the scudetto in the 10/11 season, Nocerino signed in the summer of 2011. And he scored 10 goals for us in the league.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 5 2017, 11:45 AM
I remember that season. Zlatan made everyone around him better including Robinho,KPB and Noce. And if we'd had that Muntari goal allowed...would have been the second scudetto in a row.
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