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Posted by: han2503 Nov 23 2018, 05:21 PM

Looks like we're barely going to have a team to put out there for this one. We certainly don't have enough defenders with Romagnoli down as well.

Rino is going to try a 3 at the back with Abate and Rodriguez on either side of Zapata apparently, I can see the humiliation coming from a mile away at this point.

We're going through some terrible luck, and during such a crucial stage of the season as well..

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 23 2018, 08:21 PM

Who knows, maybe through difficulty we'll pull a good performance. Somehow I'm hopeful.

Donnarumma
Abate - Zapata - Rodriguez
Calabria - Kessie - Bakayoko - Laxalt
Suso - Cutrone - Hakan

Posted by: William405 Nov 24 2018, 07:55 PM

Yes, I feel the same X-off. Let's hope the struggle we will do well.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 25 2018, 06:01 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Nov 24 2018, 07:55 PM) *
Yes, I feel the same X-off. Let's hope the struggle we will do well.

Away at the Olimpico with more than half of the first team out injured? Highly doubt it

Posted by: han2503 Nov 25 2018, 06:10 PM

Borini and Rodriguez on that left side...

Posted by: William405 Nov 25 2018, 06:10 PM

Why does everyone has red paint on their face?

Posted by: William405 Nov 25 2018, 06:21 PM

Damn Cala should have scored that!

Bravo Suso..

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 25 2018, 06:21 PM

My god Borini is so, so, so bad.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 25 2018, 06:25 PM

Lets hope we dont concede a stupid slipping blunder

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 25 2018, 06:44 PM

Bakayoko is playing a really good game so far.

Suso is being terrible in every touch and pass.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 25 2018, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 25 2018, 07:44 PM) *
Bakayoko is playing a really good game so far.

Suso is being terrible in every touch and pass.

Agreed, this kessie bakayako combinations is looking good.

Posted by: William405 Nov 25 2018, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 25 2018, 08:44 PM) *
Bakayoko is playing a really good game so far.

Suso is being terrible in every touch and pass.


I was going to ask you guys. What you think about the Kessie-Baka duo. I think it provides us with much needed stability in midfield. It could be something to keep even after all the injured players come back.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 25 2018, 07:12 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Nov 25 2018, 06:52 PM) *
I was going to ask you guys. What you think about the Kessie-Baka duo. I think it provides us with much needed stability in midfield. It could be something to keep even after all the injured players come back.

Only problem is that we have no passing outlet, and they're both having trouble with the out ball. Their strength and speed is a great asset but their passing is worrying when we can't bring in the attackers into the game

Posted by: han2503 Nov 25 2018, 07:37 PM

KESSIEEEEEE

Posted by: han2503 Nov 25 2018, 07:38 PM

Let's see if we can keep the second clean sheet of the season here

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 25 2018, 07:38 PM

Nice team play.. We dont need to go ultra defensive and continue the same way

Posted by: han2503 Nov 25 2018, 07:53 PM

FFS Man!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 25 2018, 07:53 PM

F*uck man

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 25 2018, 07:55 PM

Zapata's header was very weak

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 25 2018, 07:55 PM

I guess we're returning all those last minute goals we scored in the last few games. Bummer. sad.gif

Posted by: han2503 Nov 25 2018, 07:57 PM

2 lost points because we couldn't clear the ball

Posted by: han2503 Nov 25 2018, 07:57 PM

Meh, it was a decent effort considering our circumstances. To concede the win so late on still hurts like a mofo though

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 25 2018, 07:59 PM

We didn't make a single sub may be should have made one for time wasting anyway considering the injuries situation not a bad result

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 25 2018, 08:02 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Nov 25 2018, 07:59 PM) *
We didn't make a single sub may be should have made one for time wasting anyway considering the injuries situation not a bad result


It's useless nitpicking at this point. We conceded in the last minute amidst all the chaos. It sucks, but it happens. And given our circumstances, this is still a very good result.

This Lazio side is very poor, as are Roma. We have a concrete chance to get that 4th spot this season. Hopefully with the injury recoveries and a couple of quality signings in January it will happen.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 25 2018, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Nov 25 2018, 07:59 PM) *
We didn't make a single sub may be should have made one for time wasting anyway considering the injuries situation not a bad result

Agreed.

Rino should have at least brought on 2 players in the injury time to waste a couple of seconds and interrupt Lazio's reletlesness

But alas, it's useless to complain about this. He had very little choices on the bench and chose to stick with what was working

Posted by: han2503 Nov 25 2018, 08:15 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 25 2018, 08:02 PM) *
It's useless nitpicking at this point. We conceded in the last minute amidst all the chaos. It sucks, but it happens. And given our circumstances, this is still a very good result.

This Lazio side is very poor, as are Roma. We have a concrete chance to get that 4th spot this season. Hopefully with the injury recoveries and a couple of quality signings in January it will happen.

This is the most crucial point here

Leo must make 3 top notch signings this winter. Even without the injury crises that has hit us, we still lacked qaality in midfield and in attack, plus as we've come to find out a thin defensive line

Ibra will be a huge boost, but we need to make careful choices for the defense and midfield. it's can't just be any random players

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 26 2018, 09:10 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 25 2018, 08:15 PM) *
This is the most crucial point here

Leo must make 3 top notch signings this winter. Even without the injury crises that has hit us, we still lacked qaality in midfield and in attack, plus as we've come to find out a thin defensive line

Ibra will be a huge boost, but we need to make careful choices for the defense and midfield. it's can't just be any random players


Paqueta aside, we need a Biglia replacement and a forward. Not sure about a CB. I mean, in January both Romagnoli and Musacchio will be recovered, and I assume by February Caldara will be available as well. I'd rather focus on more pressing matters.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 26 2018, 05:05 PM

Here’s a thought. What if we didn’t sign anyone else except for Ibra and played like this:

Donnarumma
Conti - Caldara - Romagnoli - Rodriguez
Paqueta - Kessie - Hakan
Suso - Ibra
Higuain


Daring? Yes. Could it work? I think so.

Posted by: maldini03 Nov 26 2018, 05:49 PM

I like this formation X-Off but I don't think that Kessie can play as that deep regista. He is at his best when he is bombing forward and using his physical ability to be aggressive in winning the ball back. He doesn't intercept the ball well and I don't really think he is a great long passer.

In my opinion, we have something going with Kessie and Baka as a double pivot, they both provide the necessary steel to one another. For that reason I would advocate for something closer to this:

Donnarumma
Calabria - Caldara - Romagnoli - RR
Kessie - Bakayoko
Suso - Ibra - Paqueta
Higuain

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 26 2018, 11:08 PM

QUOTE (maldini03 @ Nov 26 2018, 05:49 PM) *
I like this formation X-Off but I don't think that Kessie can play as that deep regista. He is at his best when he is bombing forward and using his physical ability to be aggressive in winning the ball back. He doesn't intercept the ball well and I don't really think he is a great long passer.

In my opinion, we have something going with Kessie and Baka as a double pivot, they both provide the necessary steel to one another. For that reason I would advocate for something closer to this:

Donnarumma
Calabria - Caldara - Romagnoli - RR
Kessie - Bakayoko
Suso - Ibra - Paqueta
Higuain


No, Kessie-Bakayoko can't be a long-term solution. I agree that Kessie best performs in the double pivot alongside a playmaker (Paredes?), but why not as shield in front of the defense? I don't agree that he doesn't intercept the ball well, and while it's true that he's a not a great long passer, the whole idea of having Hakan and Paqueta in midfield is to leave the creative duties to them.

Think of Barcelona and Real. Neither Busquets nor Casemiro are terrific passers, but they are defensive midfielders whose main duties are to act as a shield in front the defense and win balls back. And I think Kessie is far capable of such feats. Perhaps his tactical awareness needs some work, but that comes with experience.

Posted by: William405 Dec 2 2018, 01:36 PM

Everyone forgot the game today???

Posted by: William405 Dec 2 2018, 01:45 PM

Cutrone Cutrone Cutrone

Posted by: William405 Dec 2 2018, 02:42 PM

Milan comeback 2-1 3pts in the bag.

A good performance. Though, we were not as clinical as we should be in my opinion. Cutrone again pushes us back into the game with a great goal imo.

Hope we just finish these december games, so that we can reinforce the team and also get back the injured players.

Zapata was really impressive. I'm really into this Bakayoko-Kessie duo. It allows Kessie more freedom, while Bakayoko is a very disciplined player. He's a good holding midfielder.


Posted by: William405 Dec 2 2018, 02:43 PM

Also Kudos to Borini, everytime he gets in, he shakes things up. Defnitely not a first team player, but a great squad player to have.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 2 2018, 03:33 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Dec 2 2018, 02:43 PM) *
Also Kudos to Borini, everytime he gets in, he shakes things up. Defnitely not a first team player, but a great squad player to have.


Let’s not get carried away.

Posted by: William405 Dec 2 2018, 04:01 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 2 2018, 05:33 PM) *
Let’s not get carried away.


Lol, knew that would wake you up. XD

Come on man, he did well.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 2 2018, 05:54 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Dec 2 2018, 04:01 PM) *
Lol, knew that would wake you up. XD

Come on man, he did well.


Don’t expect me to agree on Borini. The guy is pure trash regardless of how much effort he might put.

Bakayoko is proving to be a revelation. He keeps getting better with each game. Also, why is nobody talking about Abate? Two impeccable performances as CB against Lazio and Parma.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 2 2018, 08:12 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 26 2018, 09:10 AM) *
Paqueta aside, we need a Biglia replacement and a forward. Not sure about a CB. I mean, in January both Romagnoli and Musacchio will be recovered, and I assume by February Caldara will be available as well. I'd rather focus on more pressing matters.

Agreed about the Biglia replacement.

As for the CBs. This crises has shown us that we're continuously a few injuries away from having to play FBs in the centre. I don't think another Zapata-type CB would be a waste to have. Someone who's a relatively good stopper who won't complain about being on the bench and can perform when called upon even without regular football.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 26 2018, 05:05 PM) *
Here’s a thought. What if we didn’t sign anyone else except for Ibra and played like this:

Donnarumma
Conti - Caldara - Romagnoli - Rodriguez
Paqueta - Kessie - Hakan
Suso - Ibra
Higuain


Daring? Yes. Could it work? I think so.

I really don't like Kessie in that holding role. He's never performed when played there. He's a box-to-box guy. He just doesn't really have the discipline or tactical know-how to play there imo. And Hakan has been played in that position a few times and never really impressed me tbh

QUOTE (maldini03 @ Nov 26 2018, 05:49 PM) *
I like this formation X-Off but I don't think that Kessie can play as that deep regista. He is at his best when he is bombing forward and using his physical ability to be aggressive in winning the ball back. He doesn't intercept the ball well and I don't really think he is a great long passer.

In my opinion, we have something going with Kessie and Baka as a double pivot, they both provide the necessary steel to one another. For that reason I would advocate for something closer to this:

Donnarumma
Calabria - Caldara - Romagnoli - RR
Kessie - Bakayoko
Suso - Ibra - Paqueta
Higuain

The Kessie and Bakayoko double pivot has pros and cons to it though. I really think we need a playmaker type in there as well. With those 2 we tend to struggle to play through the middle. I still think that a Biglia replacement in needed ASAP. We've been linked to Cesc, and I think he'd change the entire dynamic of this team if he were to come in, as he's the kind of passing brain we've missed since Pirlo

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 26 2018, 11:08 PM) *
No, Kessie-Bakayoko can't be a long-term solution. I agree that Kessie best performs in the double pivot alongside a playmaker (Paredes?), but why not as shield in front of the defense? I don't agree that he doesn't intercept the ball well, and while it's true that he's a not a great long passer, the whole idea of having Hakan and Paqueta in midfield is to leave the creative duties to them.

Think of Barcelona and Real. Neither Busquets nor Casemiro are terrific passers, but they are defensive midfielders whose main duties are to act as a shield in front the defense and win balls back. And I think Kessie is far capable of such feats. Perhaps his tactical awareness needs some work, but that comes with experience.

I actually think that Kessie best performs on the side of a 3-man midfield, while it's Bakayoko who benefits the most from a double pivot/DM position

And I don't think you can compare Kessie to either Casemiro or Busquets, both are far more intelligent distributors than Kessie

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 2 2018, 03:33 PM) *
Let’s not get carried away.

biggrin.gif

Posted by: han2503 Dec 2 2018, 08:18 PM

Also, sorry for forgetting to open the match thread, I missed the game as I had a Sunday lunch thing (can I state once again how ridiculous I think these 12:30 KOs are?), and totally forgot to open a thread for the game

Anyway, we have a fairly easy (on paper) home stretch to the end of the year, with Fiorentina being the only top half of the table side. We absolutely have to make sure we get max points in this coming stretch to cement our top 4 position (thanks Chievo btw)

Lazio have some tricky games coming up, so we need to make sure we play our best. And I know this is not going to be easy given the crises we have on our hands, but I'm trusting Rino to pull the team through as he has done so far with such grace.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 2 2018, 08:27 PM

Thanks Chievo, we’re 4th again. Like I said before, both Lazio and Roma are pretty poor this season. Considering our injuries, the fact we’re 4th goes to show you what a great chance we have to finish in the top 4 this season. Not considering that in January we’ll strengthen even more with Paqueta and possibly Fabregas and Ibra.

Champions League football is approaching after a long, long absence.

Posted by: William405 Dec 2 2018, 11:17 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 2 2018, 10:27 PM) *
Thanks Chievo, we’re 4th again. Like I said before, both Lazio and Roma are pretty poor this season. Considering our injuries, the fact we’re 4th goes to show you what a great chance we have to finish in the top 4 this season. Not considering that in January we’ll strengthen even more with Paqueta and possibly Fabregas and Ibra.

Champions League football is approaching after a long, long absence.


Yes, yes, yes. smile.gif

I think if we sign Ibra and Fabregas. It will more than enough for us to challenge for the top spots. And, again, why limit ourselves to 4th place? wink.gif

Posted by: maldini03 Dec 3 2018, 02:35 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 2 2018, 01:12 PM) *
I actually think that Kessie best performs on the side of a 3-man midfield, while it's Bakayoko who benefits the most from a double pivot/DM position

And I don't think you can compare Kessie to either Casemiro or Busquets, both are far more intelligent distributors than Kessie


So han how would you set up the team if we hypothetically brought in Fabregas and Ibra as well as Paqueta? Someone has to go to the bench if Fabregas is going to become the Biglia replacement. It's a shame. We need more creativity so either Paqueta or Fab have to get into the team but Baka and Kessie are both playing well in the double pivot. Maybe all 3 can play in X-Off's formation...

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2018, 11:15 PM

If Ibra and Fabregas come I expect us to play like this:

---------------Donnarumma-----------------
Conti - Musacchio - Romagnoli - Rodriguez
-----------------Fabregas--------------------
--------Kessie--------------------------------
-----------------------------Paqueta---------
--Suso--------------Ibra---------------------
------------------Higuaín---------------------


Posted by: maldini03 Dec 4 2018, 02:35 PM

Yeah, I like that set-up, in a way it reminds me of Ancelotti's Milan-lite. Fabregas as the Pirlo, Kessie as a Gattuso-type, and Paqueta as a Seedorf-lite.

Only changes I would make when everyone is fit would be Calabria over Conti. I think Calabria has earned the starting spot for now and Conti is the one who has to work to take it from him. For me, Calabria fits well within the team. Sometimes he has mental mistakes in defense but going forward he has proven to be an asset down that right wing.

Also, this formation leaves us a little exposed down that left side. From what I have seen of Paqueta he likes to scamper forward and he definitely won't be joining us with the physically-imposing, endless running that Kessie provides. We know Ibra won't be tracking back. RR has had a good season thus far but this would leave him isolated. Add-in that he likes to go forward and will see open field ahead of him to deliver crosses into Ibra and we have a recipe for getting burned on the counter.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 4 2018, 08:24 PM

QUOTE (maldini03 @ Dec 4 2018, 02:35 PM) *
Yeah, I like that set-up, in a way it reminds me of Ancelotti's Milan-lite. Fabregas as the Pirlo, Kessie as a Gattuso-type, and Paqueta as a Seedorf-lite.

Only changes I would make when everyone is fit would be Calabria over Conti. I think Calabria has earned the starting spot for now and Conti is the one who has to work to take it from him. For me, Calabria fits well within the team. Sometimes he has mental mistakes in defense but going forward he has proven to be an asset down that right wing.

Also, this formation leaves us a little exposed down that left side. From what I have seen of Paqueta he likes to scamper forward and he definitely won't be joining us with the physically-imposing, endless running that Kessie provides. We know Ibra won't be tracking back. RR has had a good season thus far but this would leave him isolated. Add-in that he likes to go forward and will see open field ahead of him to deliver crosses into Ibra and we have a recipe for getting burned on the counter.


Nah, not exposed at all. From what I’ve seen Paqueta is a very disciplined player, his primary position at Flamengo has been that of RCM. Think of him as a highly-skilled Bonaventura.

Also, Calabria over a fit Conti is not happening.

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