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Posted by: han2503 Dec 30 2017, 01:33 PM

Let's keep all match discussions here starting with the Fiorentina game if there is anyone watching. I'll update the title of the thread accordingly

Posted by: Nova Dec 30 2017, 01:41 PM

I'm watching the game because I have literally nothing else to do.
I don't know what to say, I just hate this Milan squad, what a bunch of untalented , not worthy of wearing the shirt type of players ...

Horrible football. 0 opportunities at half time ! Zero !! Nothing !

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jan 2 2018, 01:46 PM

First time this season we've come from behind to get any points. All to play for in the next 5 months. I hope we do something creditable with what's left of the season.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jan 5 2018, 05:41 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jan 2 2018, 04:46 PM) *
First time this season we've come from behind to get any points. All to play for in the next 5 months. I hope we do something creditable with what's left of the season.


I believe it's tight, we have the Coppa and UEL to play for, but we both know this team is lacking. Not ready if you will.


Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 6 2018, 07:04 PM

We won 1-0 today. Played okay overall but couldn't close the game.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jan 7 2018, 09:52 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jan 7 2018, 01:34 AM) *
We won 1-0 today. Played okay overall but couldn't close the game.


True. We seem to dominate possession but can't seem to get any incision whatsoever. I'm not sure if this is a coaching problem or a player problem. Maybe a combination of both.


Posted by: han2503 Jan 11 2018, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jan 7 2018, 09:52 PM) *
True. We seem to dominate possession but can't seem to get any incision whatsoever. I'm not sure if this is a coaching problem or a player problem. Maybe a combination of both.

A bit late but I'd like to point out that Hakan really showed some excellent vision in the last game and when he came on again Fiorentina

At least he gives us a bit more dynamism then the head down, run straight Borini does.

I think w have a lot of players who are better than what we're currently seeing now. Bona hasn't been himself this season, and in all honesty, neither has Suso. The striker issue is the biggest for me. And since none of them can seem to get into a scoring groove this has to be blamed a bit on the supporting cast as well since as you so correctly observed, we haven't been incisive at all.

Actually I think the game against Inter was one of our best this season in terms of creating chances

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 21 2018, 08:06 PM

Got three points it was messy but importantly we somehow managed to win

Posted by: han2503 Jan 26 2018, 11:08 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jan 21 2018, 08:06 PM) *
Got three points it was messy but importantly we somehow managed to win

I'm actually seeing gradual improvement from the team, if nothing else there's definitely a greater hunger from the players.

We have Lazio this weekend so I'm actually expecting a loss.

I really would like to know what the thinking has been during this winter mercato where our management actively chose not to participate in it. Maybe they feel like the season is lost so they should cut their losses and re-evaluate in the summer. But we have some glaring holes in the squad, namely on the left wing, with Deulofeu being offered to us on a plate, it's just baffling me as to why we wouldn't jump on such a simple and easy solution like that

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jan 27 2018, 11:15 AM

Well there is the Elliott loan than needs to be settled first then there is UEFA's scrutiny over the Chinese's plans ... So there could be restrictions, nothing to baffle you about han, just that is what it is

Posted by: William405 Jan 27 2018, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 27 2018, 01:15 PM) *
Well there is the Elliott loan than needs to be settled first then there is UEFA's scrutiny over the Chinese's plans ... So there could be restrictions, nothing to baffle you about han, just that is what it is


Yeah I think it's that.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 28 2018, 05:35 PM

Donnarumma; Calabria, Bonucci, Romagnoli, Antonelli; Kessie, Biglia, Bonaventura; Suso, Cutrone, Calhanoglu.

Two questions: 1) Why on earth Antonelli and not Abate with Calabria on the left? 2) What happened to Andre Silva? Looks like Rino has completely forgotten that he exists.

Anyway, I expect a win today, or at least a draw. Lazio are in top form but this game is do or die. If we lose again then that little bit of confidence we've gained in the past two few weeks will be completely shattered.

Posted by: William405 Jan 28 2018, 05:54 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 28 2018, 07:35 PM) *
Donnarumma; Calabria, Bonucci, Romagnoli, Antonelli; Kessie, Biglia, Bonaventura; Suso, Cutrone, Calhanoglu.

Two questions: 1) Why on earth Antonelli and not Abate with Calabria on the left? 2) What happened to Andre Silva? Looks like Rino has completely forgotten that he exists.

Anyway, I expect a win today, or at least a draw. Lazio are in top form but this game is do or die. If we lose again then that little bit of confidence we've gained in the past two few weeks will be completely shattered.


Agreed! Hope we win! Forza Milan

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 27 2018, 11:15 AM) *
Well there is the Elliott loan than needs to be settled first then there is UEFA's scrutiny over the Chinese's plans ... So there could be restrictions, nothing to baffle you about han, just that is what it is

Well there were cheap options or even loan options like Deulo who could have been very helpful to our cause without causing any financial issues.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 28 2018, 05:35 PM) *
Donnarumma; Calabria, Bonucci, Romagnoli, Antonelli; Kessie, Biglia, Bonaventura; Suso, Cutrone, Calhanoglu.

Two questions: 1) Why on earth Antonelli and not Abate with Calabria on the left? 2) What happened to Andre Silva? Looks like Rino has completely forgotten that he exists.

Anyway, I expect a win today, or at least a draw. Lazio are in top form but this game is do or die. If we lose again then that little bit of confidence we've gained in the past two few weeks will be completely shattered.

Meh, I don't expect a win tbh. But with the way Inter are spiralling, I don't see this as do or die, we have time to regain ground imo so this season won't be a complete lost cause

Agreed about Andre Silva, it feels like neither coach knows how to utilise him properly, he's a quintessential SS. I feel like both Rino and Montella have been more comfortable with using someone like Kalinic or Cutrone who stay far more central and don't drift around like Silva tends to do a lot

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 28 2018, 06:14 PM

We are having half chances

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 06:16 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jan 28 2018, 06:14 PM) *
We are having half chances

Agreed, but once again, we're too rushed and it's generally messy

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 28 2018, 06:19 PM

Perfect free kick and goal from curtone

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 06:19 PM

CUTRONEE


Posted by: William405 Jan 28 2018, 06:20 PM

Cutroneeeee

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 06:20 PM

What a free-kick from Hakan though.

He's been really impressing me ever since he came on against Fiorentina. Glad to see another player finally settling in

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 28 2018, 06:24 PM

What the hell.... Fifa goal

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 06:25 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jan 28 2018, 06:24 PM) *
What the hell.... Fifa goal

Yeah, too easy

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 28 2018, 06:25 PM

Class A defending from Antonelli there.

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 06:27 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 28 2018, 06:25 PM) *
Class A defending from Antonelli there.

Yep

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 28 2018, 06:35 PM

Off the bar for lazio..

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 28 2018, 06:47 PM

What a goal

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 28 2018, 06:48 PM

Great play

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 06:48 PM

BONAAAAAAAAA

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 06:48 PM

This is probably the best we've played in a while aside from the single defensive lapse

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 06:49 PM

Calabria has also been improving in leaps and bounds imo

Posted by: William405 Jan 28 2018, 06:50 PM

Really nice cross and Bonaa.. Nice header

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 28 2018, 06:51 PM

Good half overall. Our midfield is clicking well

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jan 28 2018, 06:51 PM) *
Good half overall. Our midfield is clicking well

Agreed. Finally Kessie and Biglia are showing what they're capable of after terrible starts by both

Posted by: William405 Jan 28 2018, 07:06 PM

We have a good team, we have a good team! We just need that one protagonist..

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 07:09 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Jan 28 2018, 07:06 PM) *
We have a good team, we have a good team! We just need that one protagonist..

I feel like Silva could be that guy for us.

But we need a proper LW who'll be able to really make our attack tick

Not to mention an alternative to Bona, someone like Milinkovic-Savic would transform our midfield imo because Bona has been very patchy this season

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 28 2018, 07:09 PM

Suso looks more and more out of steam but overall a solid performance. If only our defense could get better.

Posted by: William405 Jan 28 2018, 07:16 PM

Anyone has a stream?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 28 2018, 07:25 PM

Bonucci possibly will come off. He was playing well imo

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 28 2018, 07:57 PM

very important win especially for our confidence

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 28 2018, 07:58 PM

Calabria was flawless today

Posted by: han2503 Jan 28 2018, 08:01 PM

Great game, we have Lazio again on Wednesday (I think) in the Coppa. Let's see if we can pull a double on them

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 28 2018, 09:03 PM

Well, they lack Immobile, which makes them less dangerous.

Posted by: William405 Jan 28 2018, 10:52 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 28 2018, 11:03 PM) *
Well, they lack Immobile, which makes them less dangerous.


Will they have him back on Wednesday? 😄

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 29 2018, 11:14 AM

I don't know...

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jan 29 2018, 03:31 PM

They rested Immobile so he could be fit on Wednesday I think We pretty much played a full strength squad. I think it will be a tough one on Wednesday. Glad for this win though. If we can at least end up in the same place as last season, while making steady progress in Coppa and UEL, it would still be an improvement.

We're now in 7th place and breathing down Sampdoria's neck. Our midfield is steadily improving as well.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jan 29 2018, 04:35 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jan 29 2018, 06:31 PM) *
They rested Immobile so he could be fit on Wednesday I think We pretty much played a full strength squad. I think it will be a tough one on Wednesday. Glad for this win though. If we can at least end up in the same place as last season, while making steady progress in Coppa and UEL, it would still be an improvement.

We're now in 7th place and breathing down Sampdoria's neck. Our midfield is steadily improving as well.


Think Ringo is doing the trick? I sure am liking the cohesion that is being buit. Kinda reminds me of the Carlo days, a sense of belonging to the shirt. Not trying to be soft and all, but Ringo is impressing me.

Also would a coppa win lead to qualifying for CL or is it only through EL?


Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jan 29 2018, 08:32 PM

Coppa win is EL qualification and EL win would be UCL i think

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jan 29 2018, 10:17 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 29 2018, 11:05 PM) *
Think Ringo is doing the trick? I sure am liking the cohesion that is being buit. Kinda reminds me of the Carlo days, a sense of belonging to the shirt. Not trying to be soft and all, but Ringo is impressing me.

Also would a coppa win lead to qualifying for CL or is it only through EL?


He's got the team running more and giving more. And I think they're kind of responding. It's probably also the pressure of being branded losers. Let's be honest all of them have under-performed.

What I love is how up front and straight he is. He seems like a truly great guy. And I think when he's giving his 200% every day in training the players are maybe even shamed into giving the same. He's a great role model that way.

Is he a tactical genius? No maybe not. But let's be honest, if this team would just play at their usual capability we'd be in Europe. We were failing to do even that.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 30 2018, 11:54 AM

Yes, mentality and attitude is what Gattuso worked on. But basically the same problems with our team remain:

- no true leader who can provide stability
- defensive problems
- too many failed players and mentally weak players
- lack of balance in our team/assessment of certain players questionable

And this is mostly not Rino's problem. We simply shouldn't have had such a season. I mean 17/18 we've played some of the worst football ever, even worse then the Inzaghi season. So the players mostly changed, but the problems remained.

Posted by: han2503 Jan 30 2018, 09:18 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 29 2018, 04:35 PM) *
Think Ringo is doing the trick? I sure am liking the cohesion that is being buit. Kinda reminds me of the Carlo days, a sense of belonging to the shirt. Not trying to be soft and all, but Ringo is impressing me.

Also would a coppa win lead to qualifying for CL or is it only through EL?

I think for now he is, but I still maintain that it would be a mistake to go ahead with him long-term if he manages to pull off a good comeback to our season. Especially if someone like Conte becomes available

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jan 29 2018, 08:32 PM) *
Coppa win is EL qualification and EL win would be UCL i think

Yep. And with the teams that have been dumped into the EL through the CL, I can't see the latter happening tbh. While Lazio are a very difficult task in the Coppa

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 30 2018, 11:54 AM) *
Yes, mentality and attitude is what Gattuso worked on. But basically the same problems with our team remain:

- no true leader who can provide stability
- defensive problems
- too many failed players and mentally weak players
- lack of balance in our team/assessment of certain players questionable

And this is mostly not Rino's problem. We simply shouldn't have had such a season. I mean 17/18 we've played some of the worst football ever, even worse then the Inzaghi season. So the players mostly changed, but the problems remained.

The first part of the season was to put it simply, wasted by Montella and his over-experimenting and rotation. I don't think we've really seen what any of the new guys are really capable of tbh as we're only just now seeing glimmers from guys like Kessi and Hakan, heck, even Bonucci and Biglia who all of us thought were sure things going into the season have struggled and are only just now finally managing to assert their authority within this side.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jan 31 2018, 12:20 PM

I think Conte will be an interesting addition, but I can't in all honesty claim his style is for me. He can be very driven on his point and forceful - something that resulted in Clarence being fired.

If Rino, won a trophy this season and placed us back in Europa League places, would you give him a year longer?

For a new coach- I guess it will be a toss-up between Carlo and Conte. I do wonder if Carlo is sort of 'past expiry' as a coach and if his tactics will hold, but I don't know. I haven't seen his teams play recently.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 2 2018, 09:17 PM

I respect Rino and would love to see him take charge. But in all honesty this team needs a real coach. Look at how Inter blossomed under Spalletti (while at the same time getting the specific Spalletti-looser touch). We really need a seasoned and experienced man to take charge - something Milan hasn't had in ages. Leonardo, Allegri (who turned out fine but limited), Seedorf, Inzaghi, Brocchi, Mihajlović, Montella - it's enough. Bring in someone who has actually won something and who has the know-how.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 2 2018, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 2 2018, 09:17 PM) *
I respect Rino and would love to see him take charge. But in all honesty this team needs a real coach. Look at how Inter blossomed under Spalletti (while at the same time getting the specific Spalletti-looser touch). We really need a seasoned and experienced man to take charge - something Milan hasn't had in ages. Leonardo, Allegri (who turned out fine but limited), Seedorf, Inzaghi, Brocchi, Mihajlović, Montella - it's enough. Bring in someone who has actually won something and who has the know-how.


When you think about it, good coaches nowadays are very hard to come by. Except for Ancelotti, I just don't see anyone else with pedigree that would accept a job with us. Maybe Klopp, depending on how his season with Liverpool turns out in the end.

Don't think the likes of Simeone, Mourinho, Guardiola, Zidane etc. will ever sign for us. And guys like Sarri and Pochettino would still be shots in the dark.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 2 2018, 09:34 PM

Agreed.

Our main targets should be Ancelotti and Conte. If we don't succeed in securing one of them we're already in trouble.

But the I would be willing to give a chance to coaches like Prandelli, Rijkaard (good God how low he fell), Ranieri, Mancini, Donadoni, etc.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 2 2018, 09:39 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 2 2018, 09:34 PM) *
Agreed.

Our main targets should be Ancelotti and Conte. If we don't succeed in securing one of them we're already in trouble.

But the I would be willing to give a chance to coaches like Prandelli, Rijkaard (good God how low he fell), Ranieri, Mancini, Donadoni, etc.


Oh yeah, forgot about Conte. He would be awesome.

The other names you mentioned, I would pass in a heartbeat. Prandelli and Mancini? Nah. Rijkaard? He's been AWOL for the past ten years. Ranieri and Donadoni would be shots in the dark. I'd much prefer Sarri instead.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 2 2018, 09:44 PM

But I'm speaking of realistic targets. Why would Sarri ever ditch Napoli for us?

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 2 2018, 10:02 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 2 2018, 09:44 PM) *
But I'm speaking of realistic targets. Why would Sarri ever ditch Napoli for us?


More money? Boh.

But the names you mentioned aren't much different than the Mihajlovic's and Montella's we've had.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 2 2018, 10:05 PM

I think they are. Man, Mancini won a bunch of league titles with various teams and also had a good spell at Lazio. Prandelli had a few successful seasons with Parma and Fiorentina finishing in the top 5 teams. Rijkaard won the CL, La Liga and several other trophies. Only Don stands out perhaps, but how the hell can these results be compared with Montella with 1 supercup and Mihajlović with zero cups won??

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 2 2018, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 2 2018, 10:05 PM) *
I think they are. Man, Mancini won a bunch of league titles with various teams and also had a good spell at Lazio. Prandelli had a few successful seasons with Parma and Fiorentina finishing in the top 5 teams. Rijkaard won the CL, La Liga and several other trophies. Only Don stands out perhaps, but how the hell can these results be compared with Montella with 1 supercup and Mihajlović with zero cups won??


Yeah, like, a decade ago.

Mancini is terrible, his second spell at Inter proved that. But I never liked him even in his heyday.

Prandelli hasn't coached a club successfully since the late 00s, and failed with Italy in 2014.

Rijkaard, as I said, has been AWOL for a decade.

Donadoni has been coaching low-table clubs his entire career.

On paper the first three might be more qualified than Mihajlovic and Montella, but I don't think they are any better solutions.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 3 2018, 01:03 AM

I don't know man. Your only argument is that they haven't achieved much in recent years. That's something I guess, but not enough to say they're Montella or Mihajlović level IMO.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 3 2018, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 2 2018, 09:17 PM) *
I respect Rino and would love to see him take charge. But in all honesty this team needs a real coach. Look at how Inter blossomed under Spalletti (while at the same time getting the specific Spalletti-looser touch). We really need a seasoned and experienced man to take charge - something Milan hasn't had in ages. Leonardo, Allegri (who turned out fine but limited), Seedorf, Inzaghi, Brocchi, Mihajlović, Montella - it's enough. Bring in someone who has actually won something and who has the know-how.

Agreed, it's what I've been saying for a while now. We have a decent bunch of players imo, the team is definitely the best we've had in a while in terms of quality. The problem is we haven't had a great coach since the Carlo days. We need someone who will be able to build a team with an identity

For me Conte would be my number 1 ahead of even Carlo.

If they're both unachievable I'd look at guys like Prandelli, Hiddink or maybe even Mancini

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 2 2018, 09:34 PM) *
Agreed.

Our main targets should be Ancelotti and Conte. If we don't succeed in securing one of them we're already in trouble.

But the I would be willing to give a chance to coaches like Prandelli, Rijkaard (good God how low he fell), Ranieri, Mancini, Donadoni, etc.

Prandelli would be first pick for me in terms of that tier of coaches, he's not spectacular but he's a good tactician imo, I really liked what he did with Italy when he was coach

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 2 2018, 10:29 PM) *
Yeah, like, a decade ago.

Mancini is terrible, his second spell at Inter proved that. But I never liked him even in his heyday.

Prandelli hasn't coached a club successfully since the late 00s, and failed with Italy in 2014.

Rijkaard, as I said, has been AWOL for a decade.

Donadoni has been coaching low-table clubs his entire career.

On paper the first three might be more qualified than Mihajlovic and Montella, but I don't think they are any better solutions.

What's Hiddink doing these days? I've always really liked how he set his teams up, I remember playing his PSV side back in the day and they were a very tough team to play against

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 3 2018, 09:42 PM

I think Hiddink is too old. He's 71 and never played/coached in Serie A.

Posted by: William405 Feb 4 2018, 10:17 AM

"Milan are not Brad Pritt, they are as ugly as me and my beard"
Gattuso

I love it hahaha!

If by any chance someone has a stream, please put up the link. ^^

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 4 2018, 02:03 PM

Donnarumma; Abate, Bonucci, Romagnoli, Calabria; Kessie, Biglia, Bonaventura; Suso, Silva, Calhanoglu.

Save for Conti and Rodriguez who are injured, I think this is the first time we've played all our best signings altogether.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 4 2018, 03:12 PM

What a goal from Suso

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 4 2018, 03:13 PM

What a goal by Suso!!!

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 4 2018, 04:17 PM

I can't seem to find a decent stream for this one.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 4 2018, 04:52 PM

That red killed us. Calabria really showed his inexperience there, such a needless and stupid foul to give away when already on a yellow

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 4 2018, 04:58 PM

Another pathetic performance overall.

Sure, Gattuso seems to be confident, honest and he brings out the best (at least partially) from our (limited) players. But this is where his inexperience becomes a problem. Unlike Montella he's able to pump up the team (something Montella also knew how to do in season 1) and if everything goes according to plan we're a solid team. But the moment trouble occur we're lost. We lack the kind of mechanisms that prevent us from going AWOL after taking an early lead. This mentality problem can only be solved by modern forward thinking football or an experienced coach.

The trouble is, I think Rino has (just like Brocchi and Pippo) learned from Carletto's trick book and I think this is were Ancelotti also had the most troubles: keeping the team spirit/mentality balanced and intact. But back then we had monsters like Ringo and true leaders like Paolo on the pitch to make this work.

Nowadays it's a simple routine. Milan start good, score, then become static and lazy and very soon completely ineffective. We invite the opposition to start pressuring and hand them a goal or two.

Sidenotes:
- we lack true quality in attack
- Silva is IMO not cut for the task; he's perhaps the biggest failure of our camaign
- we lack ideas in midfield

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 4 2018, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 4 2018, 06:52 PM) *
That red killed us. Calabria really showed his inexperience there, such a needless and stupid foul to give away when already on a yellow

Stupid - yes.
Made things hard - yes.

But what killed us was our approach and mentality.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 4 2018, 05:17 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 4 2018, 04:59 PM) *
Stupid - yes.
Made things hard - yes.

But what killed us was our approach and mentality.

Sure we had already taken the foot off the gas before then, but going down a man when you're already struggling a bit is always going to be a killer blow

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 4 2018, 07:54 PM

Think we watched different games, IMHO Milan played rather well. The result didnt arrive, rather a bore draw, but that doesnt and shouldnt take away from the good performance the team had on display.

Calabria is young and these things happened to Nesta and Maldini. Silva is a talented young lad who needs Serie A experience, ie time. Otherwise the team as a whole is cementing a core and is showing signs of life in our beloved Milan.

How many games has Gattuso overseen since taking over? The guy is on a positive run, despite all the odds.


Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 4 2018, 08:31 PM

Man I admire your positive viewpoint. But mostly I can't agree.

Yes, Calabria made a stupid double yellow. On that we agree, he'll learn.

Gattuso has a solid record so far (6W, 4D, 3L) but not that he hasn't played any bigger team bar Lazio and that his goal difference is a mere +1 (15 goals in 13 matches is very low and perhaps our biggest problem).

I disagree on Silva. You can virtually say to anyone that he's "talented". But he's shown no true chemistry and value IMO; he lacks too much qualities/experience to became useful for us; just look at Cutrone and compare.

What did we exactly do good in this game? Apart from giving up on attacking and playing as a dominant team for most of the game?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 4 2018, 09:34 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 4 2018, 11:31 PM) *
Man I admire your positive viewpoint. But mostly I can't agree.

Yes, Calabria made a stupid double yellow. On that we agree, he'll learn.

Gattuso has a solid record so far (6W, 4D, 3L) but not that he hasn't played any bigger team bar Lazio and that his goal difference is a mere +1 (15 goals in 13 matches is very low and perhaps our biggest problem).

I disagree on Silva. You can virtually say to anyone that he's "talented". But he's shown no true chemistry and value IMO; he lacks too much qualities/experience to became useful for us; just look at Cutrone and compare.

What did we exactly do good in this game? Apart from giving up on attacking and playing as a dominant team for most of the game?


It's okay not to agree king.gif

On Gattuso mind you I was skeptical at first but he has shocked me! I mean here comes a warrior of a player who tries his trade as coach at tier 4 teams and doesn't do well. He comes to Milan - at the worst of timings - and manages to instill a sense of stability, establish a core for this brand new team, is doing much better than Montella.

Silva is marginal for me tbh, he needs Serie A experience. Maybe they should consider loaning him out.

Well, during Montella's days the team was a bunch of XI trying to get 3points. Today it was a team of 1 trying to get 3points. Sure it was clumsy at times like with the 2nd yellow card, but all in all I see a team alive, I can recognize a core within the team. That for me is something crucial. We are not debating a team consisting of Sheva, Seedorf, Pirlo and the likes those players on the field I would agree with you 100%. But with the team we have today, I would applaud this draw and wait for the team to form a stronger understanding. Maybe they reach the EL final. Maybe they win it.

There is always a chance, especially when you have a one team unit.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 4 2018, 10:03 PM

One thing on Silva. The talent is very obviously there, he just hasn't adjusted to the team, which considering his very limited time on the pitch this season is understandable.

Once again, we're going to risk going down the route of overlooking a very bviously talented player because we couldn't afford to have some patience. Some players don't instantly click, Silva is obviously having a hard time, but giving up on him would be a major mistake, of Aubameyang level imo.

Kalinic is a far more experienced attacker not to mention having been in the league for a few years now and even he is finding it difficult to fit into this team because we simply haven't been able to really make that midfield and attack combine with each other very well. Our strikers just tend to look very isolated in general, Cutrone also struggles with this, it's not like he's banged in 20 goals either. My point here isn't to place blame on any single attacker, it's just to say that the team needs to be better in the attacking phase in general, and this starts with the midfield

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 4 2018, 11:24 PM

Disappointing result. Had we won this, we might have started aiming at that 4th spot. Guess it was just a pipe dream.

We're simply too limited. Kessie and Suso are the real talent, everyone else is just acting as filler material. Bonaventura hasn't been solid in quite a while. Biglia has been a massive disappointment. Hakan doesn't really add much given the importance of his role, and Silva is quite frankly a ghost. Same could be said for Kalinic.

I mean, we will probably continue like this till the end of the season, maybe snatch that 6th spot and have a shot at the EL, but the season is a huge failure and we need to start planning for next season already.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 10 2018, 03:04 PM

Cutrone with the early goal, such an instinct this kid has

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 10 2018, 03:45 PM

Typicall Milan under Rino. Starting good, scoring early, then losing initiative and creating problems. Now waiting for a red or some other brainfart.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 10 2018, 03:50 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 10 2018, 03:45 PM) *
Typicall Milan under Rino. Starting good, scoring early, then losing initiative and creating problems. Now waiting for a red or some other brainfart.

Yeah, the game feels eerily similar to last week's

Posted by: han2503 Feb 10 2018, 04:01 PM

It's so depressing to see Borini warming up, we really have a terrible lack of depth in most areas.

Posted by: William405 Feb 10 2018, 04:18 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 10 2018, 05:50 PM) *
Yeah, the game feels eerily similar to last week's


Totally agreed.

Posted by: William405 Feb 10 2018, 04:19 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 10 2018, 06:01 PM) *
It's so depressing to see Borini warming up, we really have a terrible lack of depth in most areas.


Yeah..also in our starting line-up, we still lack something.

Posted by: William405 Feb 10 2018, 04:22 PM

Cutrone again! I see so much of Pippo in him!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 10 2018, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 10 2018, 04:19 PM) *
Yeah..also in our starting line-up, we still lack something.

Definitely. We lack a properly creative mid and a lethal winger that's for sure.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 10 2018, 04:29 PM

Biglia and Kessie are a terrible duo to start with. But what we really lack is extra class. We need 2-3 world class players.

Posted by: William405 Feb 10 2018, 04:29 PM

Bigliaaa!!!

Posted by: William405 Feb 10 2018, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 10 2018, 06:22 PM) *
Definitely. We lack a properly creative mid and a lethal winger that's for sure.


We depend too much on Suso imo.

Posted by: William405 Feb 10 2018, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 10 2018, 06:29 PM) *
Biglia and Kessie are a terrible duo to start with. But what we really lack is extra class. We need 2-3 world class players.


We need class I agree. But, we need it in midfield and attack. Surely, not in defense.

Posted by: William405 Feb 10 2018, 04:38 PM

Does anyone think a Curtrone/Silva partnership could work?

Posted by: amancik Feb 10 2018, 04:43 PM

Our next three matches are against Sampdoria, Roma and Inter.

Posted by: William405 Feb 10 2018, 04:46 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Feb 10 2018, 06:43 PM) *
Our next three matches are against Sampdoria, Roma and Inter.


We have to win them all!

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 10 2018, 04:49 PM

Well this result will help the goal differential! Ugly at times but I’ll take an ugly 4-0 any day. Important three points. Nice to see Cutrone in the right places and Borini grabbing a goal.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 10 2018, 04:50 PM

Reading these last comments seems like we're losing to SPAL.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 11 2018, 06:29 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 10 2018, 06:50 PM) *
Reading these last comments seems like we're losing to SPAL.

We might have won but we really play ugly and unstable football. We scored instantly and then gave a semi-amateur team like SPAL the space to attack. Milan IMO has simply too many problems to deal with (simultaneously) to rely on Gattuso. Don't get me wrong, I really adore Rino but I don't think he is what we need now.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 11 2018, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 11 2018, 06:29 PM) *
We might have won but we really play ugly and unstable football. We scored instantly and then gave a semi-amateur team like SPAL the space to attack. Milan IMO has simply too many problems to deal with (simultaneously) to rely on Gattuso. Don't get me wrong, I really adore Rino but I don't think he is what we need now.

Rino aside (because I feel like we've exhausted this topic to ne end), the problem is very obviously the too relaxed mentality of our players. An experienced coach would definitely help in that regard, but one has to assess deeper than that, this has plagued us for years now, we rarely ever go in for the kill. You would think that someone like Rino with his fiery spirit would at least beat it a bit out of the players but we see this inability to kill games off repeatedly. Last week against Udine we shouldn't have let it get that far. Calabria getting the second yellow was a direct result of the continuous invitation tour opposition to attack us when we should have been able to control the game better.

Yesterday as well, the score is flattering no doubt, and yes, it is ugly football. We continuously see the same movements and build up, which has become so predictable it's painful to watch. The only games I've seen any sort of free-flowing play this season were the games against Inter and Lazio. So I feel like we can achieve that but I don't understand why it cannot be done on a consistent basis and why the players so easily fall back to the flat and slow game which we have become so accustomed to since the Allegri years

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 16 2018, 10:08 PM

Good showing last night 96.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 17 2018, 10:59 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 17 2018, 04:38 AM) *
Good showing last night 96.gif


wink.gif Nah we played like crap. The attack isn't there yet and occasionally the midfield leaves holes. But we've gotten that professional win while not playing well. We also had a bit of luck. But I'll take it.

This Feb month is crazy. Sampdoria, Roma, Lazio and in a bit we have Inter and Juve. Yeesh!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 18 2018, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 17 2018, 10:59 AM) *
wink.gif Nah we played like crap. The attack isn't there yet and occasionally the midfield leaves holes. But we've gotten that professional win while not playing well. We also had a bit of luck. But I'll take it.

This Feb month is crazy. Sampdoria, Roma, Lazio and in a bit we have Inter and Juve. Yeesh!

Yeah, tonight is going to be difficult but it's a must-win when you look at that list and all the potential for lost points.

Look, we're not play well, and it's not a pretty sight by any stretch of the imagination, but we're winning, and at least we're scoring more frequently, which is something that had also become an issue in the last few months, so I'll take it


Posted by: X-Offender Feb 18 2018, 07:35 PM

Tonight is a MUST-WIN. Anything other than the 3 points would be a failure.

Posted by: William405 Feb 18 2018, 08:48 PM

Stream anyone?

Posted by: han2503 Feb 18 2018, 08:55 PM

Early penalty!

Missed

Posted by: han2503 Feb 18 2018, 08:55 PM

Check cricfree william

Posted by: han2503 Feb 18 2018, 09:02 PM

BONAAAA

Posted by: han2503 Feb 18 2018, 09:02 PM

Calabria is on a hot streak atm. Another great assist

Posted by: han2503 Feb 18 2018, 09:36 PM

VAR is so annoying


And honestly, if a lines-man can't call such an obvious offside it should stand on that alone

Posted by: William405 Feb 18 2018, 09:40 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 18 2018, 11:36 PM) *
VAR is so annoying


And honestly, if a lines-man can't call such an obvious offside it should stand on that alone


Nah, come on Han. That was an offside. We would say the same if it had happened for us.

We played really well! Pipo do you still think the same about Hakan? He looks like everything but a lazy player.

Posted by: William405 Feb 18 2018, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 18 2018, 10:55 PM) *
Check cricfree william


Thanks, found one ^^

Posted by: William405 Feb 18 2018, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 18 2018, 11:02 PM) *
Calabria is on a hot streak atm. Another great assist


He has some beautiful crosses!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 18 2018, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 18 2018, 09:40 PM) *
Nah, come on Han. That was an offside. We would say the same if it had happened for us.

We played really well! Pipo do you still think the same about Hakan? He looks like everything but a lazy player.

I know, but he was like an entire metre offside! How could the lines-man not see that?? I feel like they're getting lazy just because they have this to bail them out now. The fact that they let the players celebrate for so long, while you're on edge waiting to see if this goal is valid or not is so cruel

Posted by: han2503 Feb 18 2018, 09:44 PM

We played well, and really worked to close it out, which is something we tend to lack. It just hasn't happened yet, we mustn't get lazy though or Samp will punish us.

I hope we come out strong and try to score the second ASAP

Posted by: William405 Feb 18 2018, 09:45 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 18 2018, 11:43 PM) *
I know, but he was like an entire metre offside! How could the lines-man not see that?? I feel like they're getting lazy just because they have this to bail them out now. The fact that they let the players celebrate for so long, while you're on edge waiting to see if this goal is valid or not is so cruel


Yes, I totally agree about that! I was celebrating too then I see the decision..

Posted by: han2503 Feb 18 2018, 10:45 PM

That's 8 points away from 4th with these 3 points.

We still have a shred of hope to cling to this season. Had we managed to win that Udine game we'd be in an even better position going into the next few fixtures

Posted by: William405 Feb 18 2018, 10:48 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 19 2018, 12:45 AM) *
That's 8 points away from 4th with these 3 points.

We still have a shred of hope to cling to this season. Had we managed to win that Udine game we'd be in an even better position going into the next few fixtures


Yes! We have to win the big games! That's just how it has to go!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 19 2018, 01:07 AM

Such an improved performance from the boys. We really came out hard and strong. Scoreline doesn't say the whole story. We really dominated what's been a good Samp side and made them look ordinary. A good start to a very testing few weeks.

We'll probably rest a few players for the next game to have them fit for a very tough away game to Roma.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 19 2018, 05:49 AM

missed the game but we seem to be moving the right direction

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 19 2018, 01:19 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Feb 19 2018, 12:19 PM) *
missed the game but we seem to be moving the right direction


Fingers crossed, that does seem to be the case. But the challenges up next are pretty rough. Roma, Lazio, Inter and then Juve in some time. Phew! unsure.gif

Good news is that we're just 8 points off a CL place with a head to head against Inter coming in as well.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 19 2018, 03:31 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 19 2018, 01:19 PM) *
Fingers crossed, that does seem to be the case. But the challenges up next are pretty rough. Roma, Lazio, Inter and then Juve in some time. Phew! unsure.gif

Good news is that we're just 8 points off a CL place with a head to head against Inter coming in as well.

I feel like we should try to go to the Olimpico and play for the draw. The game against Inter is much more winnable at this point considering the form they're in. A point at the Olimpico against Roma would be a good day at the office in my book

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 19 2018, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 19 2018, 01:45 AM) *
That's 8 points away from 4th with these 3 points.

We still have a shred of hope to cling to this season. Had we managed to win that Udine game we'd be in an even better position going into the next few fixtures


Going by that premise, then you’d agree had we had Gattuso from the start of the season we’d be in an premier position by now? tongue.gif

Gattuso is living a dream.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 20 2018, 01:06 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 19 2018, 04:05 PM) *
Going by that premise, then you’d agree had we had Gattuso from the start of the season we’d be in an premier position by now? tongue.gif

Gattuso is living a dream.

Who can tell either way?

The thing is, that we were all in consensus at the start of the season that Montella should be the coach, after last season no one could have predicted the downward spiral he'd lead us into due to his over-tinkering and needless constant rotation. That's one thing Rino has excelled at, which is to find a set formation and stick with it, even when the schedule is as demanding as it is now.

He'll most likely make a couple of changes for the EL match since we have a healthy lead, but I still don't see him going crazy and rotating the entire 11 tbh

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 20 2018, 06:15 PM

We need to play Andre Silva into some form. And we need Conti back ASAP. This run for the European places will be tight all the way till May and we need Andre Silva to start scoring for us.

Posted by: William405 Feb 22 2018, 09:12 PM

Hey, anyone watching? smile.gif

Posted by: William405 Feb 22 2018, 09:22 PM

Gattuso fielding the B team. It should be enough, and give a chance for some players to impress.

Posted by: William405 Feb 22 2018, 09:27 PM

1-0 Borini finishes a Cutrone cross! It's impressive, Cutrone can do much more than just score goals! Some good runs on the wing. Good finish by Borini.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 22 2018, 10:35 PM

Is the draw for the next round tomorrow?

Posted by: Forza Milan! Feb 22 2018, 10:48 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 22 2018, 11:35 PM) *
Is the draw for the next round tomorrow?

Yup

Posted by: Forza Milan! Feb 22 2018, 11:00 PM

Bummer for Atalanta

Posted by: William405 Feb 22 2018, 11:02 PM

So, apparently, we can face anyone. The draw will be put all the teams in the same bowl.

I'd only want to avoid Athletico Madrid. But, other than that, if we keep improving, there is no reason that we can't keep advancing. Of-course, you never know. There is only Lazio and us left in this competition. Can't believe Napoli went out. They obviously care about only the leauge. But, I mean if Juventus swept them away (like almost each year), they will end up with nothing.

Posted by: William405 Feb 22 2018, 11:03 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Feb 23 2018, 01:00 AM) *
Bummer for Atalanta


Yeah, it's a shame.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 23 2018, 12:07 PM

So a few teams that I guess could give us trouble are Atletico, Arsenal and Dortmund. I consider these teams to be actually above us in quality and cohesion and we'd need to be really good and they'd need to be poor for us to beat them over two legs.

And I especially expect at least Arsenal to really give it a go, since winning the UEFA cup is possibly their only route into the CL next year. (Same for us of course, but still...)

Posted by: William405 Feb 23 2018, 12:46 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 23 2018, 02:07 PM) *
So a few teams that I guess could give us trouble are Atletico, Arsenal and Dortmund. I consider these teams to be actually above us in quality and cohesion and we'd need to be really good and they'd need to be poor for us to beat them over two legs.

And I especially expect at least Arsenal to really give it a go, since winning the UEFA cup is possibly their only route into the CL next year. (Same for us of course, but still...)


Arsenal? When did they win anything? tongue.gif

Posted by: William405 Feb 23 2018, 01:02 PM

By the way, I'm living in France. So, if we reach the finals, It'll be possible that I go the final!! smile.gif

Posted by: William405 Feb 23 2018, 01:17 PM

We got Arsenal. biggrin.gif

Posted by: William405 Feb 23 2018, 01:18 PM

Let's kick their asses again.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 23 2018, 01:32 PM

Goddamit. Arsenal need to win this game guys. And I'm not sure we have the firepower at the moment to beat them. Well it's a proper European test for Rino now.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 23 2018, 01:37 PM

Milan's upcoming games:

February 25: Roma - Milan
February 28: Lazio - Milan
March 4: Milan - Inter
March 8: Milan - Arsenal
March 11: Genoa - Milan
March 15: Arsenal - Milan

EFFING HELL nervoussmiley.gif

Posted by: William405 Feb 23 2018, 04:46 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 23 2018, 03:37 PM) *
Milan's upcoming games:

February 25: Roma - Milan
February 28: Lazio - Milan
March 4: Milan - Inter
March 8: Milan - Arsenal
March 11: Genoa - Milan
March 15: Arsenal - Milan

EFFING HELL nervoussmiley.gif


Tough series of matches. But, we're in the best form of the season. So, maybe the timing isn't too bad.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 23 2018, 07:39 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 23 2018, 07:46 PM) *
Tough series of matches. But, we're in the best form of the season. So, maybe the timing isn't too bad.


Bar any injuries, agreed.

But rotation will be reduced with these fixtures, hence our first XI could be prone to injuries. This will hinder the chances for the positive run.

On Arsenal, it's only right we face these teams in Europe. As it is these tests that builds confidence in the team to keep the dream alive.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 23 2018, 09:10 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 23 2018, 01:37 PM) *
Milan's upcoming games:

February 25: Roma - Milan
February 28: Lazio - Milan
March 4: Milan - Inter
March 8: Milan - Arsenal
March 11: Genoa - Milan
March 15: Arsenal - Milan

EFFING HELL nervoussmiley.gif

Well if nothing else we get a throwback to a proper European night again. With the teams that were dumped out of the CL this was always going to be difficult, we got one of the 3 absolute worst draws we could get, but all the games in the EL have been against farmer league teams, so it's nice to finally get a proper side, even if we'll most likely end up getting KO'd

Posted by: William405 Feb 24 2018, 11:24 AM

https://youtu.be/Vysfaif73aA

I thought this video was pretty motivational smile.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 25 2018, 01:47 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 23 2018, 09:10 PM) *
Well if nothing else we get a throwback to a proper European night again. With the teams that were dumped out of the CL this was always going to be difficult, we got one of the 3 absolute worst draws we could get, but all the games in the EL have been against farmer league teams, so it's nice to finally get a proper side, even if we'll most likely end up getting KO'd


Why? Arsenal aren't any better than us. We're both 6th in the respective leagues, they've managed to collect 45 points in 27 games against 41 points in 25 games by us. And they'll be missing their two main strikers, Aubameyang and Lacazette. We have equal chances of passing though.

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 09:48 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 25 2018, 03:47 AM) *
Why? Arsenal aren't any better than us. We're both 6th in the respective leagues, they've managed to collect 45 points in 27 games against 41 points in 25 games by us. And they'll be missing their two main strikers, Aubameyang and Lacazette. We have equal chances of passing though.


Exactly. Arsenal are tough challenge, I'm not saying they're not. But, we're on even grounds, and we have a historical advantage over them.

Let's start from tonight though. Roma not in the best of form, just like Inter, this is our chance to keep the momentum going. We need to play a perfect game tonight!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 25 2018, 11:35 AM

Roma away tonight and that is 9 points between Milan's 7th and Roma's 4th. If Milan wins then the difference is 6 points separating Milan from 4th and steadily back into European qualification fight. That is assuming best case scenario, where Milan wins.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 25 2018, 08:22 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 25 2018, 01:47 AM) *
Why? Arsenal aren't any better than us. We're both 6th in the respective leagues, they've managed to collect 45 points in 27 games against 41 points in 25 games by us. And they'll be missing their two main strikers, Aubameyang and Lacazette. We have equal chances of passing though.

Not to sound pessimistic, but I just think Arsenal are a step above us in terms of quality. I just think that over 2 legs they'll beat us.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 25 2018, 11:35 AM) *
Roma away tonight and that is 9 points between Milan's 7th and Roma's 4th. If Milan wins then the difference is 6 points separating Milan from 4th and steadily back into European qualification fight. That is assuming best case scenario, where Milan wins.

When was the last time we went to Rome and got a result against Roma? I honestly cannot remember a single game we won against them this side of our Scudetto season.

We're playing better but I'm just not very hopeful about tonight


Sorry for being a downer!

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 25 2018, 08:34 PM

Streams for Roma-Milan?

Posted by: han2503 Feb 25 2018, 08:40 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 25 2018, 08:34 PM) *
Streams for Roma-Milan?

Try cricfree, I don't really know what the best sites are anymore though

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 25 2018, 08:42 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 25 2018, 03:47 AM) *
Why? Arsenal aren't any better than us. We're both 6th in the respective leagues, they've managed to collect 45 points in 27 games against 41 points in 25 games by us. And they'll be missing their two main strikers, Aubameyang and Lacazette. We have equal chances of passing though.

I think Arsenal are still much better then we are. Look at the rosters, the experience they've got,...

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 09:11 PM

@X-off: http://www.totalsportek.com/highlights/as-roma-vs-inter-milan-live-stream/

Sorry, bit late.

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 09:42 PM

Quiet first half. Shick is something..good player. I hope we can push more second half.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 25 2018, 09:54 PM

CUTRONEEEEEEEEEEEE

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 09:55 PM

This kid...something special.

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 10:13 PM

Kalinic comes in! Hopefully will put up some good work rate.

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 10:17 PM

Scary with Shick and Dzeko in the middle.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 25 2018, 10:20 PM

CALABRIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 10:20 PM

Oh myyyyyy!!! Calabriaaaaa!!!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 25 2018, 10:21 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 25 2018, 10:17 PM) *
Scary with Shick and Dzeko in the middle.

Dzeko generally scores on us


What a well worked goal. Kalinic might not be lethal but he's such a smart player imo

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 10:23 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 26 2018, 12:21 AM) *
Dzeko generally scores on us


What a well worked goal. Kalinic might not be lethal but he's such a smart player imo


Yes, agreed. He will be very useful!

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 10:24 PM

Kessie no room for stuff like that!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 25 2018, 10:42 PM

Perfect game, could have been 4-0 with those other 2 clear cut chances we had.


Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 25 2018, 10:46 PM

That was simply a beautiful performance. Met Roma blow for blow in midfield. The defense absorbed everything and made it look easy. Romagnoli was everywhere. The attack was opportunistic and fairly clinical. Cutrone continues his streak of being in the perfect spot at the right moment. Calabria was incredible. He still loses the ball occasionally but he's such an intelligent player for his age. Gattuso has every player on the squad playing their heart out. It was a joy to watch. I haven't said that about a Milan side in a long time.

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 10:47 PM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Feb 26 2018, 12:46 AM) *
That was simply a beautiful performance. Met Roma blow for blow in midfield. The defense absorbed everything and made it look easy. Romagnoli was everywhere. The attack was opportunistic and fairly clinical. Cutrone continues his streak of being in the perfect spot at the right moment. Calabria was incredible. He still loses the ball occasionally but he's such an intelligent player for his age. Gattuso has every player on the squad playing their heart out. It was a joy to watch. I haven't said that about a Milan side in a long time.


Yes! <3

Posted by: han2503 Feb 25 2018, 10:49 PM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Feb 25 2018, 10:46 PM) *
That was simply a beautiful performance. Met Roma blow for blow in midfield. The defense absorbed everything and made it look easy. Romagnoli was everywhere. The attack was opportunistic and fairly clinical. Cutrone continues his streak of being in the perfect spot at the right moment. Calabria was incredible. He still loses the ball occasionally but he's such an intelligent player for his age. Gattuso has every player on the squad playing their heart out. It was a joy to watch. I haven't said that about a Milan side in a long time.

Agreed


You know, I feel like we've been saying this is the best game we've played all season for a couple of weeks now. The consistent and clear improvement this team has shown has been incredible under Rino. I feel like I'm afraid to completely buy into him because we've been burned before, but I honestly haven't seen this team perform like this in a very long while.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 25 2018, 10:50 PM

Wow, what a performance! Very well organized, defensively outstanding, quick to push forward. Gattuso is doing wonders. We're looking like a team now. I would have never imagined that we'd win at the Olimpico against Roma, yet it happened. I finally felt the tension of wanting to win a game so badly after a long time.

MoM? Romagnoli, by far and large. One of the best defensive performances I've seen from anyone in a while.

Check this out. Next fixture:

Milan-Inter
Lazio-Juventus
Napoli-Roma

It's like a godsend. Have to win the Derby now!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 25 2018, 10:51 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 23 2018, 01:37 PM) *
Milan's upcoming games:

February 25: Roma - Milan 2-0
February 28: Lazio - Milan
March 4: Milan - Inter
March 8: Milan - Arsenal
March 11: Genoa - Milan
March 15: Arsenal - Milan

EFFING HELL nervoussmiley.gif


Looky there Jack. What I thought was our most difficult tie next to the Arsenal games, and we put it away with aplomb.

I'm not going to get ahead of myself, we have another trip to the Olimpico on Wednesday against a much more in-form Lazio than Roma.

Inter and Genoa are must wins though and if we win those, I'd really start to believe in that CL spot

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 10:53 PM

What a perfect performance!

Made me so happy to see the defence at the back. I think we're back to our old ways with respect to that back four. Romagnoli-Bonucci partnership is just gold. Allegri said something right once,(yeah yeah I know) that you start building a winning team from the back. And, I believe this is what we have! A golden defence with one of the most talented goalkeepers out there.

I thought, Suso and Hakan were good. Hakan was unlucky not to have his passes finished such as the Borini chance. And, the Suso-Cutrone link-up is becoming a habit now! Reminded me of Cutrone's goal against Inter. Our midfield was also good, I feel Kessie is sometimes too relaxed. But, usually, he is workhorse to have in the midfield. We saw his importance in the first goal, where he was a point of reference.

Great game, tough fixtures ahead. But, we certainly are going the right way.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 25 2018, 10:56 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 25 2018, 10:50 PM) *
Wow, what a performance! Very well organized, defensively outstanding, quick to push forward. Gattuso is doing wonders. We're looking like a team now. I would have never imagined that we'd win at the Olimpico against Roma, yet it happened. I finally felt the tension of wanting to win a game so badly after a long time.

MoM? Romagnoli, by far and large. One of the best defensive performances I've seen from anyone in a while.

Check this out. Next fixture:

Milan-Inter
Lazio-Juventus
Napoli-Roma

It's like a godsend. Have to win the Derby now!

With the way Inter have been playing this is a must-win. We have Lazio in the mid-week thoughm and I can't see Rino going into that one with anything but a full strength side. So the players could be lagging a bit considering all the effort they expand in each match we play

But yeah, if we win and the other 2 games go the way we think they will, we'd be within 4 points off of 4th

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 10:57 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 26 2018, 12:50 AM) *
Wow, what a performance! Very well organized, defensively outstanding, quick to push forward. Gattuso is doing wonders. We're looking like a team now. I would have never imagined that we'd win at the Olimpico against Roma, yet it happened. I finally felt the tension of wanting to win a game so badly after a long time.

MoM? Romagnoli, by far and large. One of the best defensive performances I've seen from anyone in a while.

Check this out. Next fixture:

Milan-Inter
Lazio-Juventus
Napoli-Roma

It's like a godsend. Have to win the Derby now!


Ah wow. If we win the derby, and Juventus/Napoli win there games...devil.gif

Posted by: han2503 Feb 25 2018, 11:01 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 25 2018, 10:53 PM) *
What a perfect performance!

Made me so happy to see the defence at the back. I think we're back to our old ways with respect to that back four. Romagnoli-Bonucci partnership is just gold. Allegri said something right once,(yeah yeah I know) that you start building a winning team from the back. And, I believe this is what we have! A golden defence with one of the most talented goalkeepers out there.

I thought, Suso and Hakan were good. Hakan was unlucky not to have his passes finished such as the Borini chance. And, the Suso-Cutrone link-up is becoming a habit now! Reminded me of Cutrone's goal against Inter. Our midfield was also good, I feel Kessie is sometimes too relaxed. But, usually, he is workhorse to have in the midfield. We saw his importance in the first goal, where he was a point of reference.

Great game, tough fixtures ahead. But, we certainly are going the right way.

Calabria has also been outstanding one of our best players since Rino came on. He's been so consistently good, I honestly don't see where Conti will fit into this now. Calabria simply has to start.

As for Hakan and Suso. I really thought both looked a bit slow all game. A bit of tiredness is definitely creeping into the legs now. Same for Kessie, what looked relaxed at times was imo tiredness. He works so hard all game, you can understand. I feel like we should sit him out again against Lazio, go for a 4-4-2

Play something along the lines of

Calabria--Bonucci--Romagnoli--Rodriguez
Borini--Monto--Biglia--Bona
Silva--Kalinic


Have our key guys sit without taking too much of a hit in quality so they can be fresh for Inter

Posted by: William405 Feb 25 2018, 11:07 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 26 2018, 01:01 AM) *
Calabria has also been outstanding one of our best players since Rino came on. He's been so consistently good, I honestly don't see where Conti will fit into this now. Calabria simply has to start.

As for Hakan and Suso. I really thought both looked a bit slow all game. A bit of tiredness is definitely creeping into the legs now. Same for Kessie, what looked relaxed at times was imo tiredness. He works so hard all game, you can understand. I feel like we should sit him out again against Lazio, go for a 4-4-2

Play something along the lines of

Calabria--Bonucci--Romagnoli--Rodriguez
Borini--Monto--Biglia--Bona
Silva--Kalinic


Have our key guys sit without taking too much of a hit in quality so they can be fresh for Inter


It does seem like a good balance for the Lazio game. We would rest some important players without losing so much quality. I like that you didn't play with the defence, it's important to keep it going the same. Let's see what Gattuso does. I'm quite excited!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 25 2018, 11:12 PM

Silva has to become more useful for us and against Lazio he should get the nod. Not that I have any faith in him, but he really should get the chance and Suso/Cutrone/Hakan should be rested.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 25 2018, 11:12 PM

Oh and wow, very good match. Very good balance, Ringo doing a good job so far. I doubted him at first, but now he's really showing some big steps for us.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 26 2018, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 25 2018, 11:07 PM) *
It does seem like a good balance for the Lazio game. We would rest some important players without losing so much quality. I like that you didn't play with the defence, it's important to keep it going the same. Let's see what Gattuso does. I'm quite excited!

Yep, plus I was mostly looking at who seemed to be a bit slower compared to the others. The defence is rock solid atm, and unless there's an injury it shouldn't be messed with and I feel like Rino agrees with this as well. Romagnoli and Bonucci are finally clicking, just like the rest of the team, so they should be given as much game time as possible.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 25 2018, 11:12 PM) *
Silva has to become more useful for us and against Lazio he should get the nod. Not that I have any faith in him, but he really should get the chance and Suso/Cutrone/Hakan should be rested.

I think Silva is super talented, and I'm not exaggerating in the slightest here. He reminds me of Sheva in terms of style. The problem is that his confidence is completely shot. He needs time and support. Most players under Montella looked absolutely useless. Biglia is finally looking like the player he was at Lazio, Kessie is living up to all the promise he showed at Atalanta, Bonucci is looking like the confident CB he was at Juve and the list goes on. Silva will also show what he's capable of in time imo. The problem is that atm Cutrone is just on fire, and since only one striker can play, it has to be him

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 26 2018, 09:06 PM

I think of all the new players that are playing regularly, Biglia is the one that is severely lacking. He adds very little to our game, mostly simple passes to teammates close by. Plus he's slow at reacting and loses the ball a bit too often. That's something we've been criticizing Montolivo for years. In fact, I'd prefer Montolivo to him right now.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 27 2018, 01:55 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 25 2018, 11:22 PM) *
When was the last time we went to Rome and got a result against Roma? I honestly cannot remember a single game we won against them this side of our Scudetto season.

We're playing better but I'm just not very hopeful about tonight


Sorry for being a downer!


Ahm king.gif

Rino is changing the tides, it is evident since he took over. Even through our draws you see an actual team fighting. Is it only with 3points that you'll applaud him? biggrin.gif

His work is clearly evident and has him on a positive run since the turn of 2018.


Posted by: X-Offender Feb 27 2018, 07:56 PM

Maybe we can start opening individual match threads now again. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 27 2018, 08:27 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 26 2018, 11:06 PM) *
I think of all the new players that are playing regularly, Biglia is the one that is severely lacking. He adds very little to our game, mostly simple passes to teammates close by. Plus he's slow at reacting and loses the ball a bit too often. That's something we've been criticizing Montolivo for years. In fact, I'd prefer Montolivo to him right now.

Naah, man, you simply forgot how Montolivo was/is bad. The thing is, Montolivo at his prime was much more talented and I would dare saying better then Biglia ever was or will be. Therefore Monto from time to time looks solid when he's rested and has one game in 15 days to play. But for a starting position - no. Biglia is and always will be average, no question IMO. You guys knew that from day one; as soon as Milan got linked with Biglia we started saying that he's overrated, overprized and not the answer for our midfield. But as time went by you guys adopted a more benevolent viewpoint.

Anyway, my biggest disappointments so far are Silva and Rodriguez. Why? Well, I knew Kalinić and Biglia are average to good at best. They can come in handy, but ain't the players that make impact on the team overall. Kessie and Conti always were gambles but I still have hopes that Kessie will surpass his (so far) consistent problems. Hakan; I knew him very well; he's a one-trick pony with mood swings; in absence of more creative players he'll do the trick, but not often, not consistently. Silva maybe has lots of talent, but I just don't see any killer instinct, any freshness or passion in him. And the problem is, I've also seen him play a bit for Porto and Portugal and it's always the same: scoring easy goals, sometimes missing sitters, doing his job quietly and correct but with no special impact on the game.

Rodriguez has mostly been praised here and I had high hopes. But for a 25 year old player he's painfully slow which makes him less explosive and his good sides less useful for us.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 27 2018, 09:56 PM) *
Maybe we can start opening individual match threads now again. biggrin.gif

Or maybe we don't jinx our current run?

How many of us posters are even left here? Not even a dozen I suppose.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 27 2018, 11:54 PM

Rodriguez, really? I think he's been very, very good thus far. Defensively solid, always pushing forward, relentless. Can't see how you view him as a disappointment. He might not be as quick as Calabria or Conti, but that's just the type of player he is.

Posted by: maldini03 Feb 28 2018, 12:58 AM

I'm with X-Off here, I know RR doesn't have the pace to burn down those wings but he has good positional sense and the ability to whip in a cross. I think he has been good thus far.

For me, Biglia and Kalinic were kind of blown money. That said, I don't think anyone anticipated the rise of Cutrone. Biglia provides some stability but is really just a stopgap until we find a true anchor to build that midfield around. He is playing much better now, although he still gives possession away cheaply and doesn't add much.

I think there was a lot of weight on Montolivo with that armband. He started to slump right after he got it but he played well the few chances he has gotten this season. Gattuso has worked wonders with some of the other players though. Hakan has been more decisive since the change and the stability, and Kessie is a monster in midfield. Have to remember that he is ~21. He is immense when he is shutting someone down aka Naingolan this weekend, and he has that fire to get forward like he used to at Atalanta.

The backbone of this team is and will be our young players rebuilding the fire that was lost for a while there. I think we need to keep integrating young players and trying to promote them when they show some promise.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 28 2018, 09:12 PM

Nobody watching?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 28 2018, 09:39 PM

I'm watching. Lazio tactically very agile but risky. If only Calabria and Rodriguez would pass better and with more precision.

Overall, I'm not having a good feeling about this one but who knows...

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 28 2018, 09:55 PM

Man, those through balls. Our players never see the openings. So many good chances.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2018, 10:11 PM

I hope this doesn't go to extra time. Because it has that feeling about it and we really can't afford to play an extra 30

Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2018, 10:39 PM

**** Extra time

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 28 2018, 11:15 PM

Kalinic can F*CK OFF!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2018, 11:17 PM

Never going to live this down. That should have been the winner

Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2018, 11:18 PM

He better not take a penalty! You just know he'll miss it

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 28 2018, 11:18 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 28 2018, 11:17 PM) *
Never going to live this down. That should have been the winner


How on earth do you miss that? Unbelievable.

Penalties.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 28 2018, 11:24 PM

Rodriguez with the ugliest penalty ever.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2018, 11:25 PM

FFS man! Can no one score a penalty??

Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2018, 11:26 PM

Finally

Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2018, 11:32 PM

THROUGH!!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 28 2018, 11:32 PM

smile.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 28 2018, 11:32 PM

YES!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 28 2018, 11:33 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 1 2018, 01:24 AM) *
Rodriguez with the ugliest penalty ever.

Tomorrow we'll talk some more on him.

Now let's celebrate. Coppa final - again devil.gif devil.gif devil.gif

Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2018, 11:38 PM

We should have won before but it's still oh so satisfying!

This team man, Rino has really shut me up big time, the way that defence has been drilled is just beautiful to watch. Bonucci and Romagnoli are like a symphony atm. The way they're so in sync with each other.

Biglia has also really turned sh!t around. Just marshals that midfield so well, and it keeps Kessie is line as well.


I haven't read what you guys have been saying about Rodriguez, but I do feel like he's taken a step back when before he looked like the most adjusted player in the team from all the new guys, he's now looking like the weak link on that left side.

Kalinic man. So disappointing, because all his work prior to the moment he has to shoot is so good, but his finishing...

The guys are going to be absolutely sh!t faced for that Inter game, but I feel like that's driving them even further along. I really think we'll do well in both the derby and against Arsenal on Thursday.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2018, 11:46 PM

Btw, that makes it 2 clean sheets in a row against one of the most lethal teams in the league. And considering how they absolutely trashed us the first time we faced them this season and you compare that to these 3 clashes we've had against them, you can really see how far we've come along under Rino

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 28 2018, 11:46 PM

That derby, the most crucial match of the season. It can turn everything around for us. The players are tired as hell, but they need to get past through that and give their 100%. We must win!

Obviously tonight's win will keep player morale high, which is extra important.

Such a good moment for this team, especially after that disastrous start to the season.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2018, 11:50 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 28 2018, 11:46 PM) *
That derby, the most crucial match of the season. It can turn everything around for us. The players are tired as hell, but they need to get past through that and give their 100%. We must win!

Obviously tonight's win will keep player morale high, which is extra important.

Such a good moment for this team, especially after that disastrous start to the season.

The derby is super important, but I wouldn't begrudge a draw too much.

Inter are in shambles atm, but generally the form book is thrown out the window in this fixture. But I feel like our defensive line is so solid, and we're finally starting to make good combinations in midfield and attack, that we'll put in a good performance and take the 3 points. If we do that, I say we have a great shot at the CL spots.

The players will be absolutely knackerd, but I feel like they're almost feeding off of that atm. I think when you've got such great momentum going, playing so frequently is actually a pro rather than a con for the players. Because it keeps everyone on edge

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 1 2018, 12:03 AM

I will take a draw happily in the derby if we can stuff the **** out of Arsenal in the Europa League. The English commentary was atrocious for this game. Just talking smack. I want us to beat them so bad now.

But I don't know. I don't think there's anything left in our player's legs. They've left everything out on the pitch.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 1 2018, 12:51 AM

Listen to you guys, saying a draw in the derby would be OK! Are you serious? We gotta win that sh*t at call cost. Because it's the derby, because it will bring us to 3/4 points from the CL spots, and because Inter are in total shambles right now whereas we're doing fantastic.

I can't see how anything other than a win would be acceptable.

Posted by: William405 Mar 1 2018, 09:03 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 1 2018, 02:51 AM) *
Listen to you guys, saying a draw in the derby would be OK! Are you serious? We gotta win that sh*t at call cost. Because it's the derby, because it will bring us to 3/4 points from the CL spots, and because Inter are in total shambles right now whereas we're doing fantastic.

I can't see how anything other than a win would be acceptable.


Yessssss!! ^^

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 1 2018, 12:12 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 1 2018, 07:21 AM) *
Listen to you guys, saying a draw in the derby would be OK! Are you serious? We gotta win that sh*t at call cost. Because it's the derby, because it will bring us to 3/4 points from the CL spots, and because Inter are in total shambles right now whereas we're doing fantastic.

I can't see how anything other than a win would be acceptable.


Admire the spirit, but Vinny Montella's adjustments or rather lack of it fucked us over too good for us to realistically say not getting CL is a failure. Let's be honest - at this moment CL qualification and a trophy will make it a super successful season. Whereas just a trophy and EL qualification at the very least, make it an improvement over last year, with a few guarantees. Our defence finally looks sorted. Our new recruits have been mostly bedded in. Our forward line is still **** and can't be led by an 18 year old forever.

I'd love a victory over Inter. Purely because it's a derby. However we still end up 4 points away from the last CL spot even if all the other teams lose. All it does is further cement our EL spot. Realistically, to have a chance of CL, we need to go unbeaten with a lot of wins till the end of the season. And we need Inter and Roma to continue to suck. I don't see that happening. Especially beating Napoli and Juve. We're just not good enough (yet).

I'll take a trophy and EL places. Even 5th.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 1 2018, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 1 2018, 12:12 PM) *
Admire the spirit, but Vinny Montella's adjustments or rather lack of it fucked us over too good for us to realistically say not getting CL is a failure. Let's be honest - at this moment CL qualification and a trophy will make it a super successful season. Whereas just a trophy and EL qualification at the very least, make it an improvement over last year, with a few guarantees. Our defence finally looks sorted. Our new recruits have been mostly bedded in. Our forward line is still **** and can't be led by an 18 year old forever.

I'd love a victory over Inter. Purely because it's a derby. However we still end up 4 points away from the last CL spot even if all the other teams lose. All it does is further cement our EL spot. Realistically, to have a chance of CL, we need to go unbeaten with a lot of wins till the end of the season. And we need Inter and Roma to continue to suck. I don't see that happening. Especially beating Napoli and Juve. We're just not good enough (yet).

I'll take a trophy and EL places. Even 5th.


Inter have been sucking balls for over two months now, and I don't see them recovering. And Roma are very, very inconsistent. Plus we beat them head on. I say 4th, even 3rd spot is very attainable at this point. It can be done. Two months ago it would have been a joke to even think about it. But things have changed since then. We've become a team. Not saying not getting CL football next year would be a failure, just saying that it can be done. And we have to try our best.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2018, 08:23 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 1 2018, 12:12 PM) *
Admire the spirit, but Vinny Montella's adjustments or rather lack of it fucked us over too good for us to realistically say not getting CL is a failure. Let's be honest - at this moment CL qualification and a trophy will make it a super successful season. Whereas just a trophy and EL qualification at the very least, make it an improvement over last year, with a few guarantees. Our defence finally looks sorted. Our new recruits have been mostly bedded in. Our forward line is still **** and can't be led by an 18 year old forever.

I'd love a victory over Inter. Purely because it's a derby. However we still end up 4 points away from the last CL spot even if all the other teams lose. All it does is further cement our EL spot. Realistically, to have a chance of CL, we need to go unbeaten with a lot of wins till the end of the season. And we need Inter and Roma to continue to suck. I don't see that happening. Especially beating Napoli and Juve. We're just not good enough (yet).

I'll take a trophy and EL places. Even 5th.

Disagree Jack.

I think that if we win the derby on Sunday, we'll be in a great position to finish in the top 4. I say this because the only really difficult fixtures we'll have left is Juve and Napoli while Inter have a more complicated fixture list. We'd have gotten Inter, Roma, Lazio and Samp out of the way already from the top 8 teams. So that leaves us in a better position than them. Plus both Inter and Roma aren't having such good spells atm, so this would be the perfect time to really capitalise.

I think if we win the derby, then we have a 50-50 shot at CL football for next season (provided we continue to improve). So this derby is hugely important.

But again, with all that being said, I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep if we get a draw here all things considered.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2018, 09:44 PM

And just another quick point.

Now that we've made the final of the Coppa, we're already assured of our EL place for next season no matter what happens. So that shouldn't even factor into any thinking for us. CL is the goal

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 2 2018, 06:22 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 1 2018, 10:44 PM) *
And just another quick point.

Now that we've made the final of the Coppa, we're already assured of our EL place for next season no matter what happens. So that shouldn't even factor into any thinking for us. CL is the goal

really? i thought we had to win the coppa for that

Posted by: William405 Mar 2 2018, 03:36 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 2 2018, 08:22 AM) *
really? i thought we had to win the coppa for that


I think that is true...but given that Juventus are going to be qualified for the champions leauge anyway. I think we get it.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 2 2018, 09:21 PM

Milan is on a 9 match unbeaten run at the moment. It is good to take this one game at a time from now on and not to expect too much. Arsenal and inter will be tough, just as Juve. Then you have to factor in potential risks such as injuries and suspentions that could be a catalyst for a dent in the teams unbeaten run under Rino.

One game at a time boys king.gif

Posted by: han2503 Mar 3 2018, 10:21 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Mar 2 2018, 03:36 PM) *
I think that is true...but given that Juventus are going to be qualified for the champions leauge anyway. I think we get it.

Exactly.

If Juve win, they won't need the automatic EL spot allocated to the cup winners so it goes to the runners up

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 2 2018, 09:21 PM) *
Milan is on a 9 match unbeaten run at the moment. It is good to take this one game at a time from now on and not to expect too much. Arsenal and inter will be tough, just as Juve. Then you have to factor in potential risks such as injuries and suspentions that could be a catalyst for a dent in the teams unbeaten run under Rino.

One game at a time boys king.gif

Agreed. But man, if we win this, we're in with a great chance for 4th imo

Roma currently winning over Napoli, while Juve scored in the last added minute of extra time. This will be a great opportunity to make up points on Lazio who are in 3rd, while keeping pace with Roma.



Btw, Napoli are totally bottling it. Until us and Inter get our sh!t together Juve will continue to win the title. That last minute winner for Juve jarred Napoli badly imo, they look lost out there today

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 4 2018, 01:01 PM

Good God, I read Davide Astori died suddenly in his sleep last night.

Posted by: William405 Mar 4 2018, 01:06 PM

I just read it too. It's terrible. sad.gif RIP, and condolences to his family sad.gif

We pass through life thinking that we are invincible, at least in young age, while death could be looming in at any second. I mean what is the explanation. How? Maybe they are trivial questions, but I just can't understand it. sad.gif

Posted by: amancik Mar 4 2018, 01:16 PM

RIP Davide Astori.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2018, 01:18 PM

Just goes to show how fragile life is. How these professionals who are continuously tested and monitored by medical professionals can just suddenly die is always so jarring to me. RIP Davide, a once Milan youth player as well



Games today have all been postponed. I feel sorry for all those who travelled to Milan to watch this, but it's better to postpone since all the players must be in shock right now as well as a sign of respect to the Astori family



Posted by: X-Offender Mar 4 2018, 04:03 PM

I'm really sorry for Astori. It's terrible. But don't you think postponing all games is a tad excessive?

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2018, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 4 2018, 04:03 PM) *
I'm really sorry for Astori. It's terrible. But don't you think postponing all games is a tad excessive?

Well I'm conflicted about that one.

I understand why the league postponed the matches. It's a show of respect to his family and to Fiorentina. A lot of players are also his friends having played with him with the NT or at Cagliari. Most of them are in shock. I read somewhere that the players warming up for the early kick off in the Genoa-Cagliari game, went off in tears when they learned the news.

Looking at it from a purely selfish perspective, in terms of my Milan colours tinted glasses, the postponement of the game (in a vacuum) is both good and bad for us.

On the one hand we're on a great streak atm, so this would have been prime time to face Inter who have been terrible since December.

On the other hand though, you have to consider that this is a good thing for us in terms of having a rest after putting so much effort against both Roma and Lazio (which went to extra time). So this will give the players a breather and they'll be fresher for the Arsenal game.

And having watched Arsenal today against Brighton (lost 2-1), if we go in all fully fit, with fresher legs having a full week to prepare, I really think we can kill the tie at the San Siro.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 4 2018, 05:01 PM

No, I'm talking about all those people that have travelled in Milan to watch the derby, and not just from Italy. I was at the last derby, it takes a lot of planning and money to make a trip like that. I would have been immensely pissed if they had postponed the game.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2018, 05:22 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 4 2018, 05:01 PM) *
No, I'm talking about all those people that have travelled in Milan to watch the derby, and not just from Italy. I was at the last derby, it takes a lot of planning and money to make a trip like that. I would have been immensely pissed if they had postponed the game.

That too. And I would be p!ssed off too.

But there really is nothing you can do about it. I know people who went to Turin last week to watch the Juve Atalanta game which was snowed off. When you fly out to watch games there's always a slight risk involved as something can happen which causes postponement.

My concern now is when will they wedge in this fixture in an already very tight fixture list. Especially if we advance in the EL

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 4 2018, 06:35 PM

I agree with X-O. I think it's too excessive. We had players pass away suddenly or unexpectedly in the past as well. I don't recall however that all games were canceled. I mean surely the players of Fiorentina and Udinese are under shock. But the other teams? I really don't know.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 5 2018, 12:23 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 4 2018, 06:35 PM) *
I agree with X-O. I think it's too excessive. We had players pass away suddenly or unexpectedly in the past as well. I don't recall however that all games were canceled. I mean surely the players of Fiorentina and Udinese are under shock. But the other teams? I really don't know.


Exactly.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 5 2018, 02:44 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 5 2018, 01:05 AM) *
I agree with X-O. I think it's too excessive. We had players pass away suddenly or unexpectedly in the past as well. I don't recall however that all games were canceled. I mean surely the players of Fiorentina and Udinese are under shock. But the other teams? I really don't know.


His impact was much more I think. He was an Italian NT player, Florence captain and had played for or been team-mates with quite a lot of the Serie A team players. Plus I heard he'd become a father just recently again. Which would be terrible news.

I would have loved for us to have a rest, but I'd have preferred another method and not through this.

Anyway, onwards to Arsenal. Really nervous about this one, because they will be really looking to make a statement and they have the quality. Plus, they only have the Europa League to play for if they wish to make it to UCL next season.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 5 2018, 09:39 PM

The games will be played on 3-4 April, but the Derby depends on whether we pass through in the EL.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 11 2018, 05:18 PM

Match starts in about 45 minutes. Lazio drew, Samp lost and Inter have Napoli tonight. So it is essential that we don't trip up here.

Hopefully that Arsenal match didn't completely destroy our confidence.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 11 2018, 06:46 PM

It's pretty pathetic when you think that we spent around 230M this summer and yet we don't have a decent enough striker. Kalinic is awful.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 11 2018, 06:51 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 11 2018, 06:46 PM) *
It's pretty pathetic when you think that we spent around 230M this summer and yet we don't have a decent enough striker. Kalinic is awful.

Agreed, should have scored as well

We need speed in our attack as well, both Suso and Hakan are on the slow side for wingers

It was a decent half, had 2 really great chances. But we need to be better, speed up the build up and be more clinical

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 11 2018, 07:41 PM

We take so many random shots

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 11 2018, 07:49 PM

Above everyting we lack attacking power. Think about it, we play with three forwards, out of whom Hakan is an attacking mid and Cutrone/Kalinic/Silva are absolutely not up to the task. That only leaves Suso who clearly is not a Kaka’ or Ronaldo to solve things on his own.

Point is, we can’t score for sh*t.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 11 2018, 07:55 PM

Wow goal

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 11 2018, 07:55 PM

Silvaaaaaa!

Posted by: han2503 Mar 11 2018, 07:56 PM

ANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 11 2018, 07:56 PM

Finally silva scores

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 11 2018, 07:58 PM

We were the better side as mentioned already our attacking play is simply not good enough. But all in all important 3 points amd hopefully will give silva confidence for next games

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 11 2018, 07:58 PM

Always tough visiting Genoa. 3 points and onwards devil.gif

Posted by: han2503 Mar 11 2018, 07:58 PM

What a goal.

Rino should just play a 4-4-2 next at Arsenal and just pump in crosses. It's the best way to get at them. Be really aggressive as well.

We need to play without fear. I still believe, that was a goal that we would have never scored a few months ago.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 11 2018, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 11 2018, 09:49 PM) *
Above everyting we lack attacking power. Think about it, we play with three forwards, out of whom Hakan is an attacking mid and Cutrone/Kalinic/Silva are absolutely not up to the task. That only leaves Suso who clearly is not a Kaka’ or Ronaldo to solve things on his own.

Point is, we can’t score for sh*t.

Yes, you're right. But that's a mess our management made. We duplicated one young talented striker (Cutrone) with another (Silva) position-wise. We overpaid Kalinić and now have dead weight in our team. So we spent much money but gained little to none.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 11 2018, 09:58 PM) *
What a goal.

Rino should just play a 4-4-2 next at Arsenal and just pump in crosses. It's the best way to get at them. Be really aggressive as well.

We need to play without fear. I still believe, that was a goal that we would have never scored a few months ago.

Agreed. We have nothing to lose now.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 11 2018, 09:13 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 11 2018, 08:25 PM) *
Yes, you're right. But that's a mess our management made. We duplicated one young talented striker (Cutrone) with another (Silva) position-wise. We overpaid Kalinić and now have dead weight in our team. So we spent much money but gained little to none.


Agreed. We have nothing to lose now.

I think Silva and Cutrone are very different strikers. Cutrone is obviously a fox in the box a la Pippo, but with good physicality, speed and hold-up/link-up play.

Silva imo is a much more versatile player, maybe not as deadly in front of goal but offers you different things

Kalinic, I'm not even going to say is a bad player, he has a good touch and great vision for a striker. But he's seriously lacking that killer instinct, and the more chances he misses, the more his confidence will plummet.


And yeah, we need to go all out, no holds barred against Arsenal. I don't think we can win the competition or even get past them, but I don't want to see another whimpering performance against them

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 11 2018, 09:14 PM

Yep, also agree about the switch in formation (which really would be more of a 4-2-4 than 4-4-2). But that would require extra effort from our players, especially from the two wingers (Bona/Hakan and Suso).

Posted by: han2503 Mar 11 2018, 09:23 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 11 2018, 09:14 PM) *
Yep, also agree about the switch in formation (which really would be more of a 4-2-4 than 4-4-2). But that would require extra effort from our players, especially from the two wingers (Bona/Hakan and Suso).

Honestly, Bona has been seriously frustrating the sh!t out of me as of late. His constant head down, run with the ball into cull de sacs and shooting directly at the keeper is really frustrating.

If we had a proper box-to-box guy instead of him our midfield would function better. The only good thing he's done this season is score a couple of goals with his late runs into the box, but other than that, he's been really disappointing.

And Rino is obviously not happy with him either. He took him off when we were chasing the game to put in Calabria. and it proved to be a masterful move. Hakan also needs tto up his game again, it feels like he's relaxed now that he's won his starting spot, and I'm sure Rino is not happy with him either as he's pulled him off in both recent games.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 11 2018, 09:51 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 11 2018, 11:13 PM) *
I think Silva and Cutrone are very different strikers. Cutrone is obviously a fox in the box a la Pippo, but with good physicality, speed and hold-up/link-up play.

Silva imo is a much more versatile player, maybe not as deadly in front of goal but offers you different things

Kalinic, I'm not even going to say is a bad player, he has a good touch and great vision for a striker. But he's seriously lacking that killer instinct, and the more chances he misses, the more his confidence will plummet.

It's not a question of how different Cutrone and Silva is. Point is: Milan does not need to baby strikers "in development". We can nurture and wait for one of them, one should be loaned out or sold right out. Two young talents is too much for the ambitions we had/still have - in attack.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 11 2018, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 11 2018, 09:51 PM) *
It's not a question of how different Cutrone and Silva is. Point is: Milan does not need to baby strikers "in development". We can nurture and wait for one of them, one should be loaned out or sold right out. Two young talents is too much for the ambitions we had/still have - in attack.

Well, when we bought Silva no one knew how Cutrone would explode onto the scene.

I think both are worth keeping. We just need that one lethal, experienced guy to rely on. And that certainly is no Kalinic

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 11 2018, 09:59 PM

Man, we didn't know. Are management's job is to know such things and to plan in advance.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 13 2018, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 11 2018, 09:59 PM) *
Man, we didn't know. Are management's job is to know such things and to plan in advance.

Disagree, you really can't tell how a Primavera kid is going to adjust when playing with the seniors, no matter how good he's doing with the other kids, it's always impossible to tell how they'll adapt, even if the talent factor is off the charts it's a difficult thing to gauge

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 13 2018, 11:03 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 13 2018, 09:46 PM) *
Disagree, you really can't tell how a Primavera kid is going to adjust when playing with the seniors, no matter how good he's doing with the other kids, it's always impossible to tell how they'll adapt, even if the talent factor is off the charts it's a difficult thing to gauge

Don't tell me that having a roster of 3 strikers consists of two redundant kid strikers/talents and a mediocre striker is a good choice? The management could have assessed Cutrone more carefully; but having two young kids fight for one position is always a bad choice.

We made too many redundant signings overall.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 14 2018, 12:11 AM

Silva was brought in as the next big thing. Cutrone exploded in the summer friendlies. I wouldn't put them in the same bracket.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 14 2018, 12:23 AM

Nevertheless redundant. Cutrone obviously was underrated while Silva was also obviously overrated.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 14 2018, 12:49 AM

I wouldn't say Silva was overrated. He's still a question mark. He could very easily hit it big next season.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 14 2018, 01:02 AM

Overrated in the sense that he would leave an imprint on the team immediately. His hefty transfer fee suggest that we really counted on him to work for us as soon as he arrives.

But let's wrap it up; we signed too many redundant players and completely missed the balance.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 14 2018, 04:20 PM

Look, I think you're right when you say that we signed too many redundant players. Overall we went for quantity over quality. I'm not saying the new signings weren't good players but they're not top class, or the level we need if we want to get to the CL and be competitive in more than one front.

We changed almost the entire first 11, and we've suffered the consequences of that by starting the season very poorly and that will most likely cost us CL football next season, because we took a long time to get all the elements to work together. Now, I personally think that Rino is getting the elements to work. It's just that we have a ceiling with these players and it's not high enough to reach the aspirations that we have.

That being said, I feel that overall, most signings were good. And have helped to improve the quality from last season by a decent margin. It also means that next summer what we really need to work on is getting only 3 or 4 top quality signings and a couple of good bench players to give Rino (or whoever will be coach) a deeper bench which is a problem for us now

I personally think that if we get a LB, CM, ST and maybe a second CM all of high quality to replace obvious weaker points in the squad and we move the current starters in those positions to the bench then we have a great shot at competing.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 14 2018, 05:19 PM

^ I read in an article a few days ago that this summer we'll most likely sign free agents and cheap players because we spent too much money last summer.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 14 2018, 05:32 PM

Well, I think we invested too much and gained too little. We signed solid players, but the level they're showing could have been signed for much less money. We broke the bank, splashed record sums but got left with the necessity of signing quality players - in other words - for spending big sums yet again.

If this summer will consist of freebies and cheap players.... well... I don't wanna sound depressing. But I think it will be the final nail in our coffin. Napoli, Roma and Inter are getting better, the new CL will mean more economic gain and stability to these teams. In a matter of few seasons Milan will be completely transformed into a Fiorentina at best. With no viable way to reach past glory/level.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 14 2018, 08:35 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 14 2018, 05:19 PM) *
^ I read in an article a few days ago that this summer we'll most likely sign free agents and cheap players because we spent too much money last summer.

I think this mostly stems from the fact that we've signed Reina on a free and are looking to sign 2 other players on frees. I'm not saying I agree with any of the signings (Reina is obviously in the case of Raiola pushing Donna for a move).


Let's see what happens, I also read that we're looking to sign only 3 quality players this summer, so it's all up in the air

But if this is the case, then that makes the 200m we threw around last summer seem really stupid and I agree Filippo, if we continue to get left behind for more seasons then there is no way back for us. We'll see what the Chinese owners are made of but atm there a very huge veil over everything and it is a big cause for concern

Posted by: han2503 Mar 18 2018, 11:41 PM

Lazio drew again today

Atm we're -4 from them and -5 from Inter

I don't know what will happen, if we lose against Juve and draw Inter then we'll most likely be out of the race for 4th. If only we hadn't lost so many points against the lower placed sides at the start of the season we'd be in a much better position now.

Even though I still have hope we have only a 25% chance of getting that 4th spot. Lazio keep dropping points right now, but Inter are picking up again. I just honestly can't see us being as perfect as we need to be to get that. We'd need at least 4 points from the derby and Juve, full point against Sassuolo and probably we'd need to beat Napoli as well, plus continuing to pick up full points from the lower placed sides. Just too difficult right now

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 19 2018, 05:54 AM

inter also have to play juve and then interestingly the last game is between lazio-inter. So could be going down to wire the race for 4th. We just need to ensure that we dont drop any random points like we could have had yesterday.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 19 2018, 09:30 AM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 19 2018, 05:54 AM) *
inter also have to play juve and then interestingly the last game is between lazio-inter. So could be going down to wire the race for 4th. We just need to ensure that we dont drop any random points like we could have had yesterday.

This is my optimistic view

Milan

Juventus (A) - L
Inter (H) - D
Sassuolo (H) - W
Napoli (H) - D
Torino (A) - W
Benevento (H) - W
Bologna (A) - W
Verona (H) - W
Atalanta (A) - D
Fiorentina (H) - W

Total = 21 Points

Inter

Verona (H) - W
Milan (A) - D
Torino (A) - W
Atalanta (A) - D
Cagliari (H) - W
Chievo (A) - W
Juventus (H) - L
Udinese (A) - W
Sassuolo (H) - W
Lazio (A) - D

Total = 21 Points

Lazio

Benevento (H) - W
Udinese (A) - W
Roma (H) - L
Fiorentina (A) - D
Sampdoria (H) - W
Torino (A) - W
Atalanta (H) - D
Crotone (A) - W
Inter (H) - D

Total = 18 Points

That would end our season in 5th. I can't see Inter continue to drop points like they were doing, while Lazio are hitting a bit of a slump

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 19 2018, 11:50 AM

need to be less optimistic about inter then i suppose tongue.gif

Posted by: maldini03 Mar 19 2018, 12:50 PM

I could see Inter slipping up against Lazio, Udinese, and Atalanta. The issue is that we need to essentially win out to have a real chance of catching up to them.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 19 2018, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 19 2018, 11:50 AM) *
need to be less optimistic about inter then i suppose tongue.gif

Really? You think I'm being optimistic about them?

I generally went in terms of match ups on paper. Plus I took the fact that they're picking up form again into consideration

I really can't see them losing points against Verona, Torino, Cagliari, Chievo, Udinese or Sassuolo tbh

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 19 2018, 03:41 PM

I think inter will draw or lose in the coming fixtures, it is up to Milan to recover the difference separating them from 4th place.

If Rino ends the season in 6th or 5th, for me, that would be an exceptional comeback. When compared to the state of the team at the time of his appointment. Achieving a CL birth, that would be a landmark season for Rino.

So, let us manage expectations in a more realistic manner. There is 5points separating Milan from 4th, but Lazio is 1point off of 4th. Also 6points separating Atlanta and Samp from Milan's 6th. So many moving items. Add fatigue and injuries.

Milan is taking it one game at a time, the only way to manage and salvage anything from the poor start to the season.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 19 2018, 04:10 PM

Dude, it's Inter. They can lose points to any team. Don't be fooled by a good performance. For example, they won 5-0 vs Chievo on 3 December and then didn't win a single game for 2 months straight. They'll never finish 4th. Our real competition is Lazio.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 19 2018, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 19 2018, 04:10 PM) *
Dude, it's Inter. They can lose points to any team. Don't be fooled by a good performance. For example, they won 5-0 vs Chievo on 3 December and then didn't win a single game for 2 months straight. They'll never finish 4th. Our real competition is Lazio.

I'll respectfully disagree.

The teams are trending differently to what you're saying. Lazio are the ones who are unable to win atm, not Inter.

Lazio also have 2 difficult ties in the EL as well to contend with.

Atm, I'm mostly looking at Inter as our biggest competition for 4th and their 5 point lead on us is looking a bit daunting to me now with fewer games to go and some really hard matches still to play

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 19 2018, 11:13 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 19 2018, 07:58 PM) *
I'll respectfully disagree.

The teams are trending differently to what you're saying. Lazio are the ones who are unable to win atm, not Inter.

Lazio also have 2 difficult ties in the EL as well to contend with.

Atm, I'm mostly looking at Inter as our biggest competition for 4th and their 5 point lead on us is looking a bit daunting to me now with fewer games to go and some really hard matches still to play


If Inter's our competition, then 4th place is in our pocket.

Posted by: William405 Mar 20 2018, 12:10 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 20 2018, 01:13 AM) *
If Inter's our competition, then 4th place is in our pocket.


Agreed!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 22 2018, 10:29 AM

Our ownership is pretty screwed-up it seems. AN investigation into Milan sale now being carried out apparently. Last thing we need right now.


Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 22 2018, 12:11 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 22 2018, 04:59 PM) *
Our ownership is pretty screwed-up it seems. AN investigation into Milan sale now being carried out apparently. Last thing we need right now.


Yes, but the article I read clearly states there is no criminal suspicion at the moment. It is a routine investigation done. I imagine to pre-empt financial frauds/crimes.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 22 2018, 12:43 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 22 2018, 01:11 PM) *
Yes, but the article I read clearly states there is no criminal suspicion at the moment. It is a routine investigation done. I imagine to pre-empt financial frauds/crimes.

One business did get bankrupt though

Posted by: han2503 Mar 22 2018, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 22 2018, 12:43 PM) *
One business did get bankrupt though

Yep, one of Li's company's went bankrupt, add to that we're seeking further loans from Elliot to make sure we have the required liquidity to operate the club for the rest of the season while also looking to re-finance the loan from Elliot and avoid FFP sanctions...

It's looking bad right now, let's be honest. If Li can't pay off the 300m loan from Elliot they'll take over ownership of the club and our future will be even more unstable

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 22 2018, 08:23 PM

All these chinese investors are turning out pretty shady.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 24 2018, 06:44 AM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 22 2018, 03:43 PM) *
One business did get bankrupt though


True but Li sold his share in Jie Ande a while ago, prior to it being bankrupt. The only reason these reports are circulating now is because the deadline set by the hedgefund is fast approaching.

We have to respect the owner's privacy, whereby his personal affairs are not documented and that is the way he has been acting. This also entails his finances and his true networth. So jumping to conclusions will distort the reality of the matter.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 26 2018, 11:54 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 24 2018, 07:44 AM) *
True but Li sold his share in Jie Ande a while ago, prior to it being bankrupt. The only reason these reports are circulating now is because the deadline set by the hedgefund is fast approaching.

We have to respect the owner's privacy, whereby his personal affairs are not documented and that is the way he has been acting. This also entails his finances and his true networth. So jumping to conclusions will distort the reality of the matter.

money laundering investigation also opened as per report on gazzeta. and lets suppose that Li is forced sell the club due to non payment to Eliott then i think max the club would be sold for 400 million. That would make the whole takeover quite fishy imo

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 26 2018, 03:03 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 26 2018, 02:54 PM) *
money laundering investigation also opened as per report on gazzeta. and lets suppose that Li is forced sell the club due to non payment to Eliott then i think max the club would be sold for 400 million. That would make the whole takeover quite fishy imo


These reports are circulating because Elliott's deadline is fast approaching. Other than that we have nothing to go by.

So my recommendation is to wait it out.

If for any reason the club defaults on Elliott, that is when we start ringing the alarm bells and pointing fingers at Li. But so far the man has done a lot since his takeover, 200M give or take, why place these funds when a year later the club will be sold?

Posted by: han2503 Mar 27 2018, 08:39 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 26 2018, 03:03 PM) *
These reports are circulating because Elliott's deadline is fast approaching. Other than that we have nothing to go by.

So my recommendation is to wait it out.

If for any reason the club defaults on Elliott, that is when we start ringing the alarm bells and pointing fingers at Li. But so far the man has done a lot since his takeover, 200M give or take, why place these funds when a year later the club will be sold?

That plus the money already put in as down payments during the whole sale process last year to Fininvest.

The first 10m of the 30m needed to operate the club and be able to qualify for next season's Serie A (didn't know you needed money for that) have apparently come through from Li today, and not through Elliot from what I understand.

Anyway, we'll see. If for some reason we do indeed get taken over by Elliot, I doubt they'd do anything to severely damage the club's value as they want to sell for a good profit

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 31 2018, 03:36 PM

Both Inter and Lazio winning today. Our distance from Lazio currently at 7 points. Bad moment to be facing Juve.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 31 2018, 03:36 PM) *
Both Inter and Lazio winning today. Our distance from Lazio currently at 7 points. Bad moment to be facing Juve.

As expected, both were facing 2 of the worst teams in the league

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 07:56 PM

Dybala goal already

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 31 2018, 07:56 PM

Can we please sell Donnarumma?

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 08:01 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 31 2018, 07:56 PM) *
Can we please sell Donnarumma?

least of our problems, no one closing down Dybala is the issue. Why was he left in acres of space there

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 31 2018, 08:02 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 31 2018, 08:01 PM) *
least of our problems, no one closing down Dybala is the issue. Why was he left in acres of space there


Yet we can't keep ignoring his insecurities.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 08:16 PM

BONUCCCIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 31 2018, 08:02 PM) *
Yet we can't keep ignoring his insecurities.

Agreed there

I've said before, if a big enough offer comes in, we should cash in. Him and his agent are not worth the hassle at this point. He's a goalkeeper, not a match winning forward.

Well deserved goal for us, we've been the better side so far imo

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 08:20 PM

Written in the stars for Leo. The whistles spurred him onto that, what a determined charge for the ball there

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 08:31 PM

If he gives them this pen...

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 08:36 PM

Deserve to be winning this had Andre scored his chance.

We've been the better side by far, so let's hope Juve put an eye on that Real game in the 2nd half and we can somehow take advantage. We need to keep the level high though, one drop off and we'll lose.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 31 2018, 09:11 PM

Kalinic has been on for only two minutes and he's doing more harm than good.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 31 2018, 09:11 PM) *
Kalinic has been on for only two minutes and he's doing more harm than good.

Baffling decision, this game was screaming for Cutrone

I don't know what Rino is trying to show by putting him on now after last week

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 09:25 PM

What a blow for us

Rino really f@cked up with Kalinic. Just why?

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 31 2018, 09:26 PM

The moment Kalinic came on we completely switched off. Silva was doing a great job.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 31 2018, 09:26 PM) *
The moment Kalinic came on we completely switched off. Silva was doing a great job.

Agreed.

But we simply have to admit that Juve have players that can come off the bench and make a difference, we simply do not.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 31 2018, 09:34 PM

Oh come on guys! You're really oversimplifying now. I hate Kalinić but today he's hardly to be blamed.

We simply lost our energy and went out of steam way to fast. The Cuadrado goal is down to Hakan being completely exhausted and out, while Rodriguez was his usual in marking.

Posted by: maldini03 Mar 31 2018, 09:35 PM

Has to be a combination of the last two posts. Kalinic was a baffling decision but looking at our bench we are threadbare. Cuadrado and Diego Costa are better than our starters and they both came off the bench for Juve. Tough to keep up with.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 09:35 PM

Switched off, just like the team. We played a great first half but simply couldn't keep it up.

Rino was doing an impeccable job with his subs in the previous games but today he got it completely wrong. Biglia's defensive work was crucial for us and the moment he took him off we lost control in the midfield. Add in the Kalinic sub, which went on to kill our offensive game and we really lost the plot in these last 20 minutes.

Too bad, because he had gotten it perfectly spot on before that.

Cutrone should have come on, either for Silva or Bona. And Monto should only have come on for Bona or maybe Kessie, not Biglia. Biglia is our balance and metronome, he gets a lot of stick but he's the one who covers our defence and starts our plays

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 31 2018, 09:37 PM

I'm sad. We shouldn't have lost this. We played one of the best first halves I can remember. Too bad we couldn't hold on till the end.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 31 2018, 09:34 PM) *
Oh come on guys! You're really oversimplifying now. I hate Kalinić but today he's hardly to be blamed.

We simply lost our energy and went out of steam way to fast. The Cuadrado goal is down to Hakan being completely exhausted and out, while Rodriguez was his usual in marking.

Kalinic killed our offensive game, no doubt about that. Silva's hold up play and passing were creating a lot of problems for Juve. Kalinic's first touch was to give it away to a Juve player

But yes, it's not just his fault, the Biglia sub was even more detrimental as we lost the hold we had on the game, which we were running before that point.

To simply put, we played the best we could within our limits. Our players were exhausted by the point 2 pacey wingers came on for Juve, both of which are lethal in their own way, it just goes to show the quality they have coming off the bench. Something we simply don't have. Rino played our best team today, and we were going toe to toe with the league leaders and for the majority of the game we were better. But I said this at HT, if we drop off, we'll lose, and that's what we did, because the starting players were getting tired and we had to replace them with others who are simply not good enough. Rino's subs were bad, but the man has his hands tied in terms of what card he can play off the bench.

Maybe he should have started with Cutrone and introduce Silva, but hind sight is 20/20

Posted by: han2503 Mar 31 2018, 09:47 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 31 2018, 09:37 PM) *
I'm sad. We shouldn't have lost this. We played one of the best first halves I can remember. Too bad we couldn't hold on till the end.

We were unlucky as well. Silva had a golden opportunity while Hakan hit the post. Juve have had the bounce of the ball going their way for 7 years now and it's not going to end anytime soon

Anyway, losing to Juve away from home is not something to be ashamed of, the sad thing is that we could have killed this in the first hour of the game but couldn't. We suffered the consequences of that, as usual. But the performance encourages me greatly

We can still win the derby on Wednesday and be back into the fold for the CL places. Inter and Roma still have to play Juve if I'm not mistaken while Lazio are very up and down with their performances so we must not lose hope.

The faith I have in Rino to whip them back into shape mentally is endless. There's no doubt he'll rip them a new one for switching off so badly in the last 20 minutes or so and they'll learn from this as well. The lack of a proper goal scorer and winger will continue to hurt us immensely throughout the season I'm afraid.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 1 2018, 10:55 AM

Agreed

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 1 2018, 12:15 PM

Well, a win in the derby would bring 5 points from Inter. So yeah, back in the game. But a draw or loss, well, it would be the end of the season for us.

That start to the season under Montella is gonna cost us big.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 1 2018, 12:40 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 1 2018, 12:15 PM) *
Well, a win in the derby would bring 5 points from Inter. So yeah, back in the game. But a draw or loss, well, it would be the end of the season for us.

That start to the season under Montella is gonna cost us big.

Like I said after the Chievo game, it's always been an uphill battle for us considering how we started our season. Had Inter not had a 2 month meltdown we wouldn't even be entertaining the idea of top 4 anyway.

There's still a shot, no doubt, and the way we played yesterday gives me a lot of hope. We just happened to face the best club in the league who basically have 2 top notch teams available to them. When Costa and Cuadrado came on I think all of us expected the game to change, our FBs were getting tired and so were Kessie and our wingers. The subs from Rino were incorrect but the way he set his team up was perfect and we were making Juve look bad for the majority of the game, sadly we do not have a Costa to put in when legs are getting tired, that's the difference.

I think if we play like we did yesterday, we'll win the derby, Inter are regaining form, but they won against Verona and an imploding Samp team. We'll see if they're really back on Wednesday. I'm not going to lose faith, if we lose the derby it's over but we still need to make sure we finish as high as we can and try to win the Coppa as well. So we still have things to play for.

Btw, Biglia is suspended for the Inter game so that's a big blow, Monto looked completely out of it when he came on yesterday

Anyway, the game yesterday gave me hope, but I'm still sad about how things went down in those last 20 minutes or so. Rino should have just played for the draw when Juve made their changes.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 1 2018, 08:57 PM

The derby will definitely define the remainder of the season, but we must not pour judgement on Ringho as he inherited a this team along with the results. If he is victorious then he has proved his wits and if Milan loses then he would have also proved his wits. This team has potential, just needs time to get them into the optimal Scudetto/CL winning engine.

This season has definitely been a transitional one lol, cant call it a disaster nor can I say it beat expectations. Seasons like these are healthy, allows you to gradually build game on game, then at the end of the season do necessary changes to the squad. I was impressed in that in the winter the club didnt go shopping nor did they act on existing players; rather they gave this team the full season it deserves.

Hopefully next season will be taken with a more aggressive approach by the club to push for a CL place. As seen against Juve, the engine is fuctional, just missing the one or two TOP players that we lack (bar the defense). A magician if you will that will make substance out of our attack and a midfielder that will produce the goods Seedorf used to (Im thinking de bruyne). What I am saying is we are not far off.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 3 2018, 03:46 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 1 2018, 08:57 PM) *
The derby will definitely define the remainder of the season, but we must not pour judgement on Ringho as he inherited a this team along with the results. If he is victorious then he has proved his wits and if Milan loses then he would have also proved his wits. This team has potential, just needs time to get them into the optimal Scudetto/CL winning engine.

This season has definitely been a transitional one lol, cant call it a disaster nor can I say it beat expectations. Seasons like these are healthy, allows you to gradually build game on game, then at the end of the season do necessary changes to the squad. I was impressed in that in the winter the club didnt go shopping nor did they act on existing players; rather they gave this team the full season it deserves.

Hopefully next season will be taken with a more aggressive approach by the club to push for a CL place. As seen against Juve, the engine is fuctional, just missing the one or two TOP players that we lack (bar the defense). A magician if you will that will make substance out of our attack and a midfielder that will produce the goods Seedorf used to (Im thinking de bruyne). What I am saying is we are not far off.

I don't think anyone is blaming Rino. I think he made a couple of mistakes with his changes, but the set-up of the team from the start of the game was perfect imo. He's showing how tactically astute he is and this is why I think we should keep him for the coming seasons. Had it all been down to his motivational skills with nothing to back it up, we'd have crashed and burned a long time ago. We've beaten nearly all the top half teams since he's taken over, that's not something one can do by accident or by simply riling the players up before a game.

His hands were tied by the choices he had coming off the bench. He could have made better subs by shutting the game down when it was obvious that Juve were switching to another gear that we didn't have when Allegri made his subs. Imo, he should have brought on Musacchio, Borini and Cutrone for Calabria, Bona and Hakan in that order. We needed to counteract the subs Juve made. and Borini and Musacchio would have served that purpose. Add to that, Silva was doing a perfectly good job of holding up the play and playing in the mids while keeping the Juve back line on their toes, Cutrone would have served to ruffle their feathers eve more. When Kalinic came on the Juve defence relaxed as he provided zilch. So the bad passing and errors we were seeing before then because of our pressing stopped as they weren't being put under any pressure on the ball.


Anyway. On to the derby and I believe we can get the result we want if we play at the level we did against Juve.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 4 2018, 06:14 PM

Inter scored

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 4 2018, 06:14 PM

Was that off side?

Posted by: han2503 Apr 4 2018, 06:23 PM

Ruled offside by VAR

Posted by: han2503 Apr 4 2018, 06:43 PM

WTF are they doing?

Started the second half asleep

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