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post Sep 21 2019, 10:38 PM
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https://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-le...piatek-si-33343

Strange that Rodriguez (4.5), Biglia (5) and Calhanoglu (4.5) have the lowest ratings. Very strange indeed...
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post Sep 21 2019, 10:45 PM
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I also wanted to say that Piatek is a very, very, very mediocre striker. His usefulness outside the box is absolutely non-existent. His clumsiness with the ball is pathetic, like watching a toddler trying to kick the ball. If the team plays well he might score a goal or two, but not only does the team play like sh*t and he's almost invisible, but for a striker who's supposed to be carrying his team with +20 goals per season, that's just not good enough.

I say bench his @ss and play Leao as CF. It was his position after all at Lille.
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post Sep 22 2019, 01:16 AM
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Piatek is a great striker, but he needs service - he's a classic striker, not a Ronaldo type. This is not a super striker who can do it alone. You don't score 19 in 21 for Genoa if you're mediocre. Or 21 in 36 in Poland.

No, Milan have just turned yet another great player into one who looks awful.

We're good at that.
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post Sep 22 2019, 07:37 AM
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Again, inter are a well equipped team and have an experienced coach. Milan started off with glimpses of hope however left gaps that inter exploited.

It is only the fourth round of Serie A, not the end of the world.
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post Sep 22 2019, 08:41 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2019, 10:38 PM) *
https://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-le...piatek-si-33343

Strange that Rodriguez (4.5), Biglia (5) and Calhanoglu (4.5) have the lowest ratings. Very strange indeed...

Gazzetta put Piatek as the failure of the match. While giving all of the above decent ratings...
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post Sep 22 2019, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 22 2019, 01:16 AM) *
Piatek is a great striker, but he needs service - he's a classic striker, not a Ronaldo type. This is not a super striker who can do it alone. You don't score 19 in 21 for Genoa if you're mediocre. Or 21 in 36 in Poland.

No, Milan have just turned yet another great player into one who looks awful.

We're good at that.

This

It's no surprise that all the new players look good. I'm just worried what will happen after they spend a few months within the toxic environment at this club
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post Sep 22 2019, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 22 2019, 08:41 AM) *
Gazzetta put Piatek as the failure of the match. While giving all of the above decent ratings...


Are you implying that the above mentioned were decent?

Edit: It gave them 5 and 5,5 (Biglia). Those are hardly decent ratings, my friend.

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post Sep 22 2019, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 22 2019, 01:16 AM) *
Piatek is a great striker, but he needs service - he's a classic striker, not a Ronaldo type. This is not a super striker who can do it alone. You don't score 19 in 21 for Genoa if you're mediocre. Or 21 in 36 in Poland.

No, Milan have just turned yet another great player into one who looks awful.

We're good at that.


Iím not a stats man, but itís hard to argue with that. I mean, he did look good when he first joined us. Letís just say that heís turned into a bad player, and he canít start anymore for us. Like 60% of the team.
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post Sep 22 2019, 01:24 PM
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Giampaolo is a total amateur and this is our main problem. I get you R7, it's early in the season - but this ain't the Carletto years. We're a very limited team and if a coach does not grasp what that means and what his players can achieve and what not soon we'll have to act like Sampdoria or Empoli and make a early sack.

I don't know where to begin with this mess Giampaolo created. First he waits for a month to "integrate" the new players while stubbornly playing players who either proved they're not first team options (Rodriguez - hell this is why we splashed big money on a young leftback) or are rusty and rendered useless during last season (Biglia). Then the derby comes and all of a sudden he decides to drop his boy Castillejo (another useless player who's every start is a big WTF moment) and put the Leao kid right into the flames of a very mature Inter defense. Afterwards he does the same with Hernandez. A baptism of fire no doubt.

His tactical plan makes Milan play slow, predictable and toothless football. And the moment we concede we start breaking into shambles - Suso once again drifts away to his soft spot, the midfield looses composure, etc.

This being said, Giampaolo has to go as soon as possible. I'm thinking of bringing Gattuso back but that would be only if the more experienced coaches are all unwilling to come to us.
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post Sep 22 2019, 02:08 PM
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I really don't get his infatuation with players like Rodriguez, Biglia, Calhanoglu, Castillejo etc. I mean, these are players that have proven in the last two years that they are very, very bad. So, why choose them over players we signed this summer exactly because we need to strengthen our squad. It's like he's literally saying "F*ck you!" to both Boban and Maldini.

I swear, if by the next match we don't see the various Hernandez, Bennacer, Paqueta, Rebic and Leao starting, I'm going to be extremely pissed.
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post Sep 22 2019, 04:50 PM
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Why are you guys so patient? How can't you see what's going on right now? Wait until the next game to be pissed? It's obvious that Giampaolo hasn't got a clue. This is what a coach would do at Sampdoria - establish a pecking order by starting with the most experienced and astute players. Then slowly integrating new elements while shifting constantly players to make the effective shock/unexpected move. It's so transparent and old as football.

Also, on some side notes:
1) Have you mentioned the ridiculous switch Biglia made with his shirt number? Perhaps he wouldn't want to get associated with the #21 and Pirlo's legacy, so he switched to the more pressure free #20. Or how else can we explain this shift?

2) You guys seem to rate Conti's effort yesterday, yes? Personally I think he was very bad, both defensively and offensively.
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post Sep 22 2019, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2019, 11:02 AM) *
Are you implying that the above mentioned were decent?

Edit: It gave them 5 and 5,5 (Biglia). Those are hardly decent ratings, my friend.

No, my point was that I think all 3 were much worse than Piatek and were the major cause for his failure


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I’m not a stats man, but it’s hard to argue with that. I mean, he did look good when he first joined us. Let’s just say that he’s turned into a bad player, and he can’t start anymore for us. Like 60% of the team.

This is what I mean about being worried about the new players.

Paqueta and Piatek already seem to be suffering from this. These players are getting dragged into the pits with the rest. When Paqueta and Piatek came in last season they both looked fresh and full of spark. Now they're both lackluster imo.

Piatek scored a lot while at Genoa, that's not due to simple luck. And his service at Genoa wasn't stellar either. But when the entire team is a just a static lump, any striker would struggle

This is what I mean by saying we need to play more direct players.

Suso, Hakan, Biglia and Rodriguez all hold on to the ball too long. You might not want to see it, but right now, Suso is one of the festering issues at the core of this team.

We have fast, direct players on the squad, unlike last season, we can try to switch out Suso and see how things go. We have nothing to lose and it simply cannot get any worse than things currently are

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 22 2019, 01:24 PM) *
Giampaolo is a total amateur and this is our main problem. I get you R7, it's early in the season - but this ain't the Carletto years. We're a very limited team and if a coach does not grasp what that means and what his players can achieve and what not soon we'll have to act like Sampdoria or Empoli and make a early sack.

I don't know where to begin with this mess Giampaolo created. First he waits for a month to "integrate" the new players while stubbornly playing players who either proved they're not first team options (Rodriguez - hell this is why we splashed big money on a young leftback) or are rusty and rendered useless during last season (Biglia). Then the derby comes and all of a sudden he decides to drop his boy Castillejo (another useless player who's every start is a big WTF moment) and put the Leao kid right into the flames of a very mature Inter defense. Afterwards he does the same with Hernandez. A baptism of fire no doubt.

His tactical plan makes Milan play slow, predictable and toothless football. And the moment we concede we start breaking into shambles - Suso once again drifts away to his soft spot, the midfield looses composure, etc.

This being said, Giampaolo has to go as soon as possible. I'm thinking of bringing Gattuso back but that would be only if the more experienced coaches are all unwilling to come to us.

Agreed completely.

I'm actually even more p!ssed off than previous season, because we were promised that if nothing else, we would get to see good football this season, but this has been the worst I've seen this team play in years. Probably since Allegri's last season and Montella's last few months was the football comparable to what we're seeing now

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2019, 02:08 PM) *
I really don't get his infatuation with players like Rodriguez, Biglia, Calhanoglu, Castillejo etc. I mean, these are players that have proven in the last two years that they are very, very bad. So, why choose them over players we signed this summer exactly because we need to strengthen our squad. It's like he's literally saying "F*ck you!" to both Boban and Maldini.

I swear, if by the next match we don't see the various Hernandez, Bennacer, Paqueta, Rebic and Leao starting, I'm going to be extremely pissed.

Aren't you already??

Honestly, I'm personally already right out of patience. I can't see GP being able to dig us out of this. He seems lik a stubborn bullheaded guy that can't see his own flaws.

Also, the guy seems like he's incredibly uncharismatic to me, even in his interviews, he's just such a blah person. Which is exactly what this bunch needs, more lethargy. At least Rino could light a fire under them if nothing else

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 22 2019, 04:50 PM) *
Why are you guys so patient? How can't you see what's going on right now? Wait until the next game to be pissed? It's obvious that Giampaolo hasn't got a clue. This is what a coach would do at Sampdoria - establish a pecking order by starting with the most experienced and astute players. Then slowly integrating new elements while shifting constantly players to make the effective shock/unexpected move. It's so transparent and old as football.

Also, on some side notes:
1) Have you mentioned the ridiculous switch Biglia made with his shirt number? Perhaps he wouldn't want to get associated with the #21 and Pirlo's legacy, so he switched to the more pressure free #20. Or how else can we explain this shift?

2) You guys seem to rate Conti's effort yesterday, yes? Personally I think he was very bad, both defensively and offensively.

Agreed.

Who knows the reason for Biglia's switch, could be anything.

As for Conti, he had a few decent moments, but overall, I don't see him taking Calabria's spot, even while Calabria is not currently in the best form, he's still a much more reliable option, especially in defense.
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Man, Piatek was voted as flop because the Italian media are insisting on strikers being the alpha and omega of every team like it's the 90's. That being said, Piatek is doing very badly and I think should be dropped for a while in favor of Leao. Also, I'd really like to see how Giampaolo's antiquated system works without Suso.

I think our biggest mistake in the mercato, bar not signing a intelligent player like Correa and a proper substitute for Bakayoko (or at least try bring back Baka), is not selling Suso.
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post Sep 22 2019, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 22 2019, 06:57 PM) *
Man, Piatek was voted as flop because the Italian media are insisting on strikers being the alpha and omega of every team like it's the 90's. That being said, Piatek is doing very badly and I think should be dropped for a while in favor of Leao. Also, I'd really like to see how Giampaolo's antiquated system works without Suso.

I think our biggest mistake in the mercato, bar not signing a intelligent player like Correa and a proper substitute for Bakayoko (or at least try bring back Baka), is not selling Suso.

Agreed, I'd actually say that we should have tried to use Suso to bring in Depay since Lyon were interested in him

X-off, made a good point yesterday. That Suso is always involved. But the reason for that is that we try to go through him in every buildup. And in that lies the problem. Suso is just not good enough to base an entire system around, he's too limited and one dimensional.

I actually think that if we were to drop him we'd be a much quicker team

As for Piatek, I agree, it's not that I think he's been any good, but I can sympathize with his struggles. We're so static and slow, we rarely provide a decent final ball and that has got to effect him negatively, even more so since he's not the most mobile of strikers
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I honestly don't think playing with or without Suso will change much. If the team as a whole is out of ideas, one man cannot make a difference, for the better or worse.
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