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Posted by: han2503 Jul 23 2013, 08:19 AM

All Bayern Munich talk here please

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 3 2013, 11:35 AM

Haha. And Borussia Dortmund

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2013, 02:59 PM

Aubameyang just scored for Dortmund. How come we never gave a chance to this guy?

Posted by: acid911 Aug 10 2013, 03:01 PM

Because we are Milan?

Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2013, 03:06 PM

He came about during the Carlo era.

And Carlo never really gave a chance to anyone who's young. I remember him playing Ambro(!!!) at CF before playing anyone else there, that's how much he didn't trust youth.

At least this is one good thing that I really admire about Allegri

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2013, 03:44 PM

Wasn't that Willy Aubameyang who came about during Carlo's last years? I don't remember Pierre-Emerick, at all.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2013, 04:55 PM

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2013, 05:51 PM

And he ended up scoring three goals...

Posted by: KillerMax Aug 11 2013, 01:23 AM

He had even said his objective was to re-join Milan this summer, but Milan showed no interest.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 11 2013, 06:43 AM

A damn shame...

Posted by: Zed.D Aug 11 2013, 09:04 AM

We'll bring him "back" in 2020 when he's 31 years old.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 14 2013, 04:55 PM

Yes, it was Willy. And he was very bad.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 14 2013, 05:46 PM

But they were both in the primavera team at the time right?

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 14 2013, 06:14 PM

Willy is two years older (26).

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 14 2013, 06:15 PM

All three of them.

Willy was here from 2007, Catilina from 2002. Both were very bad. The youngest of them was Pierre-Emerik, who came in 2007.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 17 2013, 05:04 PM

So, Wolfsburg signed Luiz Gustavo, and they paid, hear hear, €22 million! Whilst we can't pay €10 million for Ljajic and €5 for Honda.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 17 2013, 11:56 PM

Wait...you know Wolfsburg means Volkswagen. And you know what VW means? So, I'm not surprised at all, of course they have almost near to infinitive resources.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 18 2013, 12:23 AM

Nah, it's got more to do with the fact that any team nowadays can spend big money for players, expect for us.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 18 2013, 12:30 AM

Maybe, but Wolfsburg isn't a good example. They're loaded with money.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2013, 06:53 PM

Just switched to Schalke-Leverkusen, Boateng almost scored.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 14 2013, 07:02 PM

Dortmund are so fun to watch.

2 goals in 2 mins. Whatever front 4 they put out seem to be unplayable.

6-2, wow.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 14 2013, 07:29 PM

2 goals scored by Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang..

Posted by: han2503 Sep 14 2013, 07:31 PM

From all our players who turned out great, we just HAD to go for Matri...

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 14 2013, 07:31 PM

You forgot to mention Aubameyang scored 2 of those...

Delayed POST... (...was supposed to be after Kurt's)

Posted by: dst Sep 14 2013, 08:41 PM

hahahaha Aubameyang??? Come on!!!

edit: Yes, I have seen him play.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 14 2013, 09:24 PM

He's doing great with Dortmund, what's so funny?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 14 2013, 09:59 PM

There were 3 of them in our youth system, the one currently at Dortmund is great, very fast and a great finisher to boot. Not to mention he was great in France also

Plus as an added bonus you'd appreciate him more in Fifa as his acceleration and sprint speed must be great, what can you do with Matri on there in all honesty?

Posted by: acid911 Sep 15 2013, 08:05 AM

This one is the fastest of all three Aubameyangs. That's one of the best traits you can have as a footballer.

Posted by: dst Sep 15 2013, 06:38 PM

Saying he's doing great is very funny.


Seriously guys, he's nowhere near great. Come on!!


I much prefer PES anyway

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2013, 07:17 PM

Meh, did you see some of the next gen features on Fifa 14? Can't wait to try that out

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2013, 09:11 PM

F you! He's scored 5 goals in 5 games.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 15 2013, 09:22 PM

And apparently it's me who overrated players by calling Cerci "good".

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2013, 09:43 PM

His scoring record in France and now in Germany speaks for itself

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 15 2013, 09:58 PM

Yeah, still not scored 20 league goals in a season, despite playing in a 2nd rate league, like mediocre Matri, what a failer.

Posted by: dst Sep 15 2013, 10:02 PM

That's a very good run but in my book it's not even close to reward him with the 'great' tag.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2013, 10:33 PM

Scoring 5 goals in 5 games is a great run in my book.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2013, 10:42 PM

Matri is at the end of his rope, Aubameyang still has more than enough time to accomplish that and he's looking well on his way to doing so in one of the best and most competitive leagues out there.

Posted by: dst Sep 15 2013, 10:59 PM

If Aub. is a great player, the world has more great players than any other kind of players.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2013, 11:04 PM

I never said he's a great player, I've never even seen him play. I only said he's doing great with Dortmund thus far, which is true.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 15 2013, 11:11 PM

Matri did it when he was 26 and Pierre is already 24 and hasn't done it. Matri did it at Cagliari and a 7th placed Juve, not a dominant team, also.

Not saying Matri's great, just that this is another case of you massively overrating a player. Do you think Giroud is great too? Remy?

Posted by: dst Sep 15 2013, 11:15 PM

Well that's what I said though.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2013, 11:29 PM

I thought I only overrated our players?

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Sep 16 2013, 01:57 AM

hahahaha Classic, although you're wrong not to yield that the boy's got the goods...

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 16 2013, 02:44 AM

Are you saying Matri is better than Pierre-Emerick?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 16 2013, 06:01 AM

They are two different players with different characteristics. It is very easy to get drawn into an argument over who is better, but truth be told they are both 'good' players, nothing special to get winded-up on. Kurt is basing his theory on statistics, which speaks volumes with regards to Matri. While Pierre's stint in France shouldn't be highlighted all that much, as the overall quality of the French league is not on par with Serie A for example. Hence, much easier to shine over in France.

Now if the player can prove his merit in Germany, that is another thing altogether. But as of yet, it is his first season there.

Posted by: dst Sep 16 2013, 11:16 AM

But I'm not saying he's not a good player or that he can't become a very good one. But don't think you have to do more than what he has done to be considered a great player?

Or maybe we just define greatness differently.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 16 2013, 07:41 PM

Exactly. He's scored 40 goals in 120 games in France and he's considered great? He's a good player, but a long way from great yet. Matri had a better record for Juve than Aub has in his career and yet he was considered crap at Juve. Pick and choose I guess.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 16 2013, 07:53 PM

Maybe you guys are missing the point here a bit? Great here means that he is having a pretty nice run of form in his new team. That does not mean he is a world beater yet. Great in the truest sense of the word would mean a few from the top 20, 30 players in world football. Not all.

Even if the top 50 are world class, that does not make them great. And this Aub-whateverhisnameis is surely not one of them. It's just that he's in a great run of form. And that's hard to deny actually. Will it last? No one knows. But as of right now he isn't even a good player, just a pretty decent and handy one.

Posted by: dst Sep 16 2013, 08:36 PM

Great means great.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 16 2013, 10:18 PM

No great means

Posted by: dst Sep 17 2013, 09:43 AM

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 28 2013, 05:39 PM

Boateng just keeps scoring for Schalke.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 28 2013, 07:42 PM

He's happy, that's what he does when he's in his element.

I think he was just completely lost with us. He had no idea what his position on the pitch would be from one week to another.

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 29 2013, 03:30 PM

He said that's why he left... I wonder who's fault that was...

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 29 2013, 05:29 PM

Merkel's.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 20 2013, 11:40 AM

All the talk in Germany about this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8T3SnyzA94

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2013, 12:09 PM

Whoa, that is so weird. At first I wasn't understanding what was going on. It seemed a goal to me as well.

Posted by: dst Oct 20 2013, 01:07 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02U9VvDfNqc

Kiessling knew. He should have told the ref immediately.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 20 2013, 02:09 PM

Wow, at first thought I was like "what's wrong with that?"

Then on the replays it's just

How can the ball go through the net? Don't they check for these things before kick off?

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2013, 02:56 PM

I just noticed that this same guy will be refereeing Milan-Barça.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 20 2013, 03:18 PM

Yep, they checked the net, but clearly it wasn't a detailed check.

Posted by: KillerMax Nov 10 2013, 02:26 AM

Boateng is on fire at Schalke. 8 games in Bundesliga, 5 goals. And do you remember why he said he left? Because he was tired of all the tactical switches and having to play a whole new position every other week.

Meaning Allegri is a f@ckhead. Prince had some respect for himself and left. Look at him now...

Posted by: han2503 Nov 10 2013, 10:30 AM

Yep

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 10 2013, 10:39 AM

I'm not sure what to think. One one hand his record is good, on the other hand there's only 2 teams Schalke shouldn't be beating, because the league is so poor. La Liga Mk II.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 10 2013, 11:37 AM

I don't think the German league is poor one bit, Kurt. You're completely wrong.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 10 2013, 11:51 AM

German league is currently #1 in Europe at the moment. UEFA coefficients would say otherwise, but that is due to the points accumulation over X years. Germany for sure will be the pinnacle of European football. As it is currently the pinnacle of European 'everything' IMHO.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 10 2013, 01:11 PM

lol

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 10 2013, 02:52 PM

Agreed.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 10 2013, 03:07 PM

I just don't see how it's not. Aside from Bayern, how often do German clubs even get out of the CL group stages? I think Dortmund once and Schalke twice in the past decade. That's really poor IMO. A top league should have different teams making SFs and Finals on a regular basis, that's just my opinion.

Posted by: Linkman Nov 10 2013, 11:02 PM

Why do you need to look for the last ten years? The fact that last years champions league final was between two german teams should be more than enough.

EDIT: just checked for the last few years.

2012: Bayern, Schalke, Dortmund make it past group stage.
2011: Bayern and Leverkusen
2010: Bayern and Schalke
2009: Bayern and Stuttgart
2008: Just Bayern
2007: Bayern and Schalke

For most of these years they only had three spots, by the way. That's not even counting very good performances in Europa League.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 10 2013, 11:18 PM

This.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 10 2013, 11:54 PM

Not to mention that this year all German clubs still could manage to pass through. But anyway: I think rating the Bundesliga means watching Bundesliga games. I do that on regular basis, and I cannot agree with a negative assessment. It's much more enjoyable then La Liga.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 11 2013, 01:14 AM

I swear when I checked previously it was only 2 (then Dortmund obviously did it last season), maybe I looked at QF appearances.

And I looked at the last 10 years purely based on the fact it's a nice number. Looking at just 1 season can produce really skewed numbers. I mean sure the Final was between 2 German clubs. But in a few weeks time there may only be 1/2 German clubs that even make it through the group stage, does this mean that it's suddenly a bad league again? No.

@Fillipo, I do watch Bundesliga game and La Liga games since the coverage is now very good here. They are very similar to me. Bayern are much like Barca and Dortmund like Madrid. The former tend to dominate anyone and everyone while the latter are far better to watch, mainly because they are very open and score/concede a lot. To me Schalke are the clear 3rd team, much like Atletico (just not quite as good as Atletico). The rest of the clubs I find lack any real great quality.

As I said though, it's all based on my own opinion. A top league should be looking at more than just 1/2 clubs being ok. In recent years you've had Milan and Inter win the trophy, you've had Man U, Liverpool and Chelsea win it, with Arsenal also making a final. Surely this is what you should be expected? Again, just my opinion.

Posted by: Linkman Nov 11 2013, 03:53 AM

German football did have a dip in performance in the early 2000s, lagging far behind Italy, Spain and England... but they've improved a lot lately, and Bundesliga is the healthiest league in terms of finance.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 11 2013, 07:34 AM

No disagreement there.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 11 2013, 08:41 AM

Well,...I really don't know. Just look at the La Liga winners in the last 10 years and the Bundesliga winners.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 11 2013, 01:36 PM

and how many of those Bundesliga winners did anything in the CL? That's my point, it may have had a few diffrent champions, but Wolfsburg, Stuttgart, etc. weren't that good IMO, that's why I think previous to last season, Bayern had really had a shocking decade.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 11 2013, 04:08 PM

Naah, so we don't agree on how we rate a league. I do it by accumulation internal things, whereas you rate the Bundesliga through CL appearances/performances.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 11 2013, 04:10 PM

I think it's hard to rate something otherwise with any kind of "facts".

I can sit here and say I think the English League is better because we have teams in the 3rd tier who's reserves would beat 3rd tier teams in other countries. It's hard for me to in any way back up that statement seeing as these sides won't ever compete with each other.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 11 2013, 04:14 PM

Yeah, but that's it. It's hard to say what Stuttgart would have done with their winning team in the CL. The next season they've lost considerably on important players who left. The same cannot be said for Wolfsburg...but anyway. I think the situation with CL appearances is getting stable, whereas German clubs do have good or very good results in Europa League.

Anyway, I've seen both leagues: La Liga is a comic league with 2 and a half serious clubs. Bundesliga has much more quality if you ask me.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 11 2013, 04:20 PM

I saw that Dortmund season tickets are £160. I pay double that for my Villa season ticket and Arsenal fans have to pay 4x that for the cheapest season ticket. How are German clubs doing so well financially? They certainly don't make much from ticket prices and I am sure I read something about their games being free to air?

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 11 2013, 04:43 PM

Have a read here

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2010/apr/11/bundesliga-premier-league

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22625160

http://www.theguardian.com/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2012/dec/02/ermany-bundesliga-noisy-fans


Exert from the first link :

In Germany the fan is king. The Bundesliga has the lowest ticket prices and the highest average attendance of Europe's five major leagues. At Borussia Dortmund their giant stand holds 26,000 and costs little more than £10 for admission. Clubs limit the number of season tickets to ensure everyone has a chance to see the games, and the away team has the right to 10% of the available capacity. Match tickets double as free rail passes with supporters travelling in a relaxed atmosphere in which they can sing, drink beer to wash down their sausages, and are generally treated as desirables: a philosophy English fans can only dream of.

The Bundesliga may be Europe's only fit and proper football league – the sole major domestic competition whose clubs collectively make a profit – yet no German team has won the Champions League for nine years. This success rate, though, could be about to change following Bayern Munich's advance to the semi-finals, following their thrilling disposal of Manchester United last week at Old Trafford.

"The Bundesliga as a brand, a competition, is in good shape. We have a very, very interesting competition, a stable and sustainable business model that relies on three revenue sources," the Bundesliga chief executive, Christian Seifert, tells Observer Sport. A holy trinity comprising match-day revenue (€424m), sponsorship receipts (€573m) and broadcast income (€594m) is the main contributor to the Bundesliga's €1.7bn turnover.\


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When i read all this and then look at Serie A i cringe , But there is a bright light at the end of the tunnel Juventus are doing what every club in Italy should be striving to do , buy there own stadium one that they can fill up to the roof that is safe for families to watch games.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 11 2013, 05:13 PM

Thanks for those links.

I think they look at attendances too much sometimes. English attendances will never reach the highs of the Budesliga I don't think, no matter the prices. It's simply down to England having 100+ professional clubs, while German only have around half of that (Dortmund/Stuttgart 2nd team play in the 3rd tier!) and we also have 20m less in terms of population to spread around more clubs.

I think it's amazing how they have such low revenue's and are able to put out the teams that they do. Unfortunately Premier League is a win-at-all-costs league and the amount spent is only going to increase.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 11 2013, 08:30 PM

The Bundesliga has new infrastructure, stadiums recently Built/Revamped in 2006. State of the art facilities, I remember Galliani commenting on their stadium. And that coming from a man who has been at some historic venues in Europe.

That was an investment that is paying off for them, they have teams that do well in the Europa League, they gain Italy's 4th spot on the European rankings. They are advancing, and if you look at their economy in comparison to the rest of Europe, you could see a mirror image of the same in football.


With the EPL, it is a universal league IMHO ... Like this is a forum dedicated to a Serie A club, yet the EPL thread is as active as the Serie A thread, in consecutive seasons (or was it just Kurt and Ash discussing Torque and Villa?). It has the best coverage (camera) for oversees fans that are not English, that is a plus. Its such an awesome league.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 11 2013, 08:48 PM

Yeah the EPL is obviously light years ahead when it comes to marketing and promoting their league on a global scale. Italy and Spain are still in the stone age compared to England, if Barca and Real didn't play in the La Liga no neutral would tune in to watch the games.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 11 2013, 10:00 PM

I think I've mentioned it before, but the EPL has somewhat an unfair advantage due to the language. People will watch things they can understand. Barca/Spain are so big because of South America. Man U, Liverpool, Barca and Madrid are huge clubs the World over - could the same be said for Bayern? When I've been on holiday I can't say I've ever seen a shirt. It's a league where nobody outside of Germany speaks the language so a lot of news and stuff is hard to follow.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 11 2013, 10:36 PM

Yeah agreed, it's the same problem with Italy as well, the thing is both countries are too obstinate and proud to provide coverage in English. I'm pretty sure it would be easy for Sky for example to bring in a few good English commentators who are well informed about the league and offer their service in English as well as provide match analysis in English. Because Italian Sky provides amazing coverage before, during and after each Serie A game, but it's all in Italian so anyone who doesn't speak the language won't follow.

For me personally, I'd rather go for the Al Jazeera coverage even if it's not as good as Sky's because they have English commentary

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 8 2013, 12:54 AM

I don't get Leverkusen. They're second in the Bundesliga, only four points behind the indomitable Bayern, and they also beat Dortmund away today. Yet, they go and get thrashed 5-0 at home by one of the worst ManUs of the last, I don't know, 10-15 years? Duh...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 8 2013, 01:06 AM

Bundesliga is like League 1 quality.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 8 2013, 01:12 AM

Of course Kurt, of course.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 8 2013, 03:39 AM

Posted by: acid911 Dec 8 2013, 08:29 AM

Nothing to see here, folks. Pressure. Just pressure. Playing in the domestic leagues is one thing, playing in Europe is totally another. History comes into play, fan expectations, mentality, approach. I'm not saying the German league is overly good (it's better than La Liga, nevertheless, miles better), but things can happen in Europe.

That is the reason why we sometimes get away easy, or other imposing teams don't score 5 or six against us, even when we clearly are vulnerable, and show our vulnerabilities in Serie A any given Sunday.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Jan 5 2014, 02:17 AM

So Lewandowski signed with Bayern, will join them for free at the end of the season.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 5 2014, 02:32 AM

Pointless signing if you ask me. Well, not completely, since it further diminishes the direct competitor.

Posted by: Ry4n Jan 5 2014, 05:22 AM

They have a great project. The league is strong, there winning Europe at the moment and the downfall of teams that don't invest in new players when they winning shows in the next seasons to come...there team is on top of europe and there players need a reason to perform bringing in direct competitors to your positions helps alot.

But its sad for the league also as it means less of a challenge from dortmund next season if they don't invest properly.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 5 2014, 03:09 PM

Well, they need a high calibre striker. Mandzukic isn't exactly one.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 5 2014, 03:20 PM

Why, because he's one of the leagues most consistent strikers? I really think he is, when did he show something different? I think the difference between Mandzukić and Lewandowski is much smaller then say Dante and Silva. Not to mention Boateng. I'd rather invest in a high caliber defender.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 9 2014, 12:34 AM

Well, I think Lewandowski has more class than Mandzukic, and is a more complete striker overall. Could be wrong, as I haven't followed Mandzukic that much.

By the way, what do you think about Bayern already making his signing official? It was one thing with Goetze a month before the end of the season, but in December? So, so stupid. I wonder what effects it will have on his teammates and fans, not to mention Lewandowski himself.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Jan 9 2014, 01:27 AM

Thiago Silva is out of reach, and Dante is better than Mandzukic, so not the best comparison in my opinion. Dante is one of the better defenders world wide nowadays.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 9 2014, 01:36 AM

Well, I just don't think Lewandowski makes such big difference. Yes, he's a better finisher and is more complete, but only in nuances. Mandzukic fits perfectly to the system Bayern plays and developed over the years a good chemistry with Müller and the others. Just don't see what Lewandowski would bring that would be that different.

Oh well..I think they wanted to put an end to the saga. Everyone in Germany tipped for Robert to sign with Bayern. He's playing halfheartedly with Borussia, everyone mentioned this. So there was no point for hiding this signing. As for effects...it will probably shake Dortmund and make their fans even more angry, which isn't really Bayerns concern anyway.

People used to say announcing Guardiola's takeover early was a mistake too, look how that one turned out good.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 9 2014, 02:28 AM

I do like Dortmund, but at least their demise will get rid of the annoying fanboys over here.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 9 2014, 02:34 AM

'Over here' you mean England or Milanfan?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 9 2014, 03:14 AM

England. They win the league and suddenly everyone acts like they've been fans of them for years, gloryhunting is annoying as ****.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 9 2014, 09:59 AM

Well, we disagree then.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 30 2014, 07:19 PM

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 3 2014, 09:10 AM

Wow. Guardiola making a statement.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 3 2014, 10:18 AM

What statement?

By the way, it seems like Kroos is rather unhappy at Bayern and could make a summer move. He'd be perfect for Milan, but I suppose we don't have the money and he'll join United or some other club.

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 3 2014, 09:16 PM

Some of those German players would really really be perfect for Milan.

Anyone remember Bierhoff?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 3 2014, 09:18 PM

Who wouldn't? He was a real goal machine, something that's quite rarely to find. And he'd add up some aerial strength, something Serie A immensely lacks. Just think of it - Llorente scored the most headers in Serie A this season: a total of 3.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 3 2014, 09:26 PM

The main reason I became a Milan fan.

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 3 2014, 09:32 PM

I thought it was Sheva.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 3 2014, 09:34 PM

No, Sheva had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 3 2014, 10:02 PM

Well, I'm all ears...

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 3 2014, 10:25 PM

Well, I started following football during France 98, even though I was only 9 back then. One of my best friends was a big Germany fan, and his favourite player was Bierhoff. So, I became a Germany fan as well, and after the World Cup we both took a liking to Milan because of Bierhoff. The rest is history...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 3 2014, 11:18 PM

Hmh, good origin story

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 4 2014, 05:21 AM

I see why quite a few people love the BUndesliga. It's because it's so competitive.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 4 2014, 07:51 AM

Posted by: acid911 Feb 4 2014, 07:58 AM

Vintage Kurt sarcasm, Fillipo, nothing else.

Posted by: William405 Feb 4 2014, 10:20 AM

Posted by: acid911 Feb 4 2014, 11:35 AM

Well, you know Kurt, William. This forum wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting at is is now, without him.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Feb 4 2014, 06:08 PM

Better watch Dutch football then.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 9 2014, 12:49 PM

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=820774784602627&set=vb.303252353021542&type=2&theater

The referee better not watch a football field anymore.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 9 2014, 08:23 PM

Referee? Seriously? Who cares about the ref, this is a great example of fair play, something rarely seen in modern football.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 9 2014, 08:30 PM

Oh, I didn't notice the player admitted he dived. Nice!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 9 2014, 10:23 PM

Why dive and then admit you did it. Why not, you know, just not cheat in the first place?

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 9 2014, 10:44 PM

Maybe he tripped over himself? It's hard to tell with that short video and low res.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 9 2014, 11:28 PM

Yeah, sometimes diving or falling can be instinctive. Or maybe he just realized what a blatant dive it was and didn't want to create huge polemics after the match.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 9 2014, 11:56 PM

He said it in an interview. He fell instinctively.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 10 2014, 12:00 AM

So he's basically admitting he's a natural diver. Fool.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 10 2014, 12:20 AM

It's unbelievable how you can turn something good into something bad. I've nothing more to say.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 10 2014, 01:03 AM

Every footballer is a natural diver at the end of the day.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 27 2014, 11:48 AM

I'm sure I read somewhere before that some players actually practice it in training. I don't know if it was a serious article or not.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 5 2014, 04:39 PM

FC Augsburg. You have my respect! For eternity!

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 5 2014, 04:54 PM

Heh, just came here to post that. Obviously if there was someone who would beat me to it, that'd be acid.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 5 2014, 05:29 PM

Haha, thanks, man.

I don't particularly dislike any of these clubs, nothing personal or anything. But I just want all big things to be leveled in one way or another. Always. For the sake of the game, for the sake of everything else. Because winning continually isn't the problem, and besides records are meant to be broken.

But you have a club throwing away money and then steamrolling everything in path. Where's the fun in that? So for this reason, while I was all for Bayern winning the last year CL (and treble), I just want all three (Bayern, Madrid and Barcelona) to lose in Europe this year, and some other club taking the trophy. For change.

And well, when I heard the 1-0 final scoreline and Augsburg had beaten Bayern, I was ecstatic. Pure joy. For our invincible team, of course, but also for this small club teaching Bayern how it's done. Then again, to be honest, I had a feeling that Bayern players had lost a little concentration after winning the league. Most teams do.

I had hopes that Dortmund would stop them in match 55, but then again, that was too close for comfort.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 7 2014, 09:01 AM

Naah, I didn't feel anything. Bayern fielded not their second best but third and fourth option. Many of them debutantes from the junior department.

I'd be surprised if Augsburg didn't win this one. I get why people now dislike Bayern, I'm not especially fond of Guardiola myself, but IMO Bayern will never be in the same category as Madrid and especially not as Barcelona.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 7 2014, 09:28 AM

Nah, I get you. And that is why I am delighted with the result, with the awareness that this was not the strongest Bayern side, far from it in fact. But I'll take it.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 7 2014, 03:58 PM

They won the treble. They literally destroyed the mighty Barça. They had a 53 undefeated games streak. That's more than enough to label them the strongest Bayern side, ever.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Apr 7 2014, 04:11 PM

He meant the squad they used in that one game I think.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 7 2014, 05:03 PM

You think things that are correct, bud. That's exactly what I meant.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 7 2014, 06:02 PM

I haven't been very attentive lately.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 7 2014, 06:29 PM

Nah, happens, bud.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 8 2014, 12:02 PM

Not the strongest Bayern team ever, but.. Neuer, Alaba, Javi Martinez, Shaqiri, Gotze, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Mandzukic and Muller all playing decent amount of the game should have been enough for at least a draw.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 8 2014, 12:16 PM

Well, unimportant anyway. They had to lose a game eventually.

Posted by: X-Offender May 18 2014, 01:14 AM

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 21 2014, 10:26 AM

Watched a re-run of the Final today. My only thoughts are, how small time is after goal music? It's something you see in League 2! And Thomas Muller needs to go to celebration school, it's almost embarrassing watching him after he scores.

Posted by: X-Offender May 21 2014, 10:47 AM

That was natural celebration. I didn't see anything wrong with it.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 21 2014, 10:52 AM

He just stands there, I've noticed it a lot from him.

Posted by: X-Offender May 21 2014, 10:54 AM

Yeah, and? How's that embarrassing? Is there some kind of norm or standard when it comes to celebrating? Come on now, Kurt...

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 21 2014, 10:58 AM

Yep. The standard for celebration is for solo - the Balo pose in the Euros. For group, the Norwegian fishing celebration. Nothing less will do.

Posted by: X-Offender May 21 2014, 11:00 AM

Well, Balo stood there in the Euros, Muller did the same. So, he's complying with the standard.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 21 2014, 11:12 AM

As Jack said, the Balo or the Cantona, a show of arrogance. Muller stands there like a fan screaming.

Or he needs a trademark like Toni, Matri or Gila. Though he's not as lethal a poacher as those colossus strikers so he hasn't earned a trademark yet.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 21 2014, 11:15 AM

kurt, old son - of all the reasons you pick to dislike a German player and there are hundreds you could choose that would stand credible, yet you pick this one!!

You are a unique gem! When you get visitors to see you, you ought to charge price of admission.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 21 2014, 11:18 AM

I actually like Muller, so I had to find a reason to dislike him at least a little bit.