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Posted by: Danny Aug 3 2014, 11:03 AM

We discover who the true Rossoneri among our fans and members are.

We're in for a long, hard season and I'd suggest anyone who quits (or disappears from this forum) based on it probably wasn't much of a fan in the first place.

There are many members who disappeared for one reason or another, but I'd argue the main regulars now are the board's established population. Anyone not here in January of that lot for Milan reasons are the chafe, IMO.

I myself have taken time out from the place a couple of times but not for football reasons.

If Milan get relegated this season, I'll still be here.

Will you?

Posted by: han2503 Aug 3 2014, 11:59 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 3 2014, 11:03 AM) *
We discover who the true Rossoneri among our fans and members are.

We're in for a long, hard season and I'd suggest anyone who quits (or disappears from this forum) based on it probably wasn't much of a fan in the first place.

There are many members who disappeared for one reason or another, but I'd argue the main regulars now are the board's established population. Anyone not here in January of that lot for Milan reasons are the chafe, IMO.

I myself have taken time out from the place a couple of times but not for football reasons.

If Milan get relegated this season, I'll still be here.

Will you?

I think the fans have been tested for a long time now, not just this coming season, if I was able to survive through the Allegri years, where we were not only not winning anything but playing such bad football that it makes you want to gauge your eyes out with a blunt and rusty object, then I can take anything this team throws at me

Posted by: Danny Aug 3 2014, 12:14 PM

We couldn't disagree more on the Allegri thing but I'm not getting into that. If you're still here, despite whatever you believe to have been wrong, then you're a true fan in my eyes.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 3 2014, 12:56 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 3 2014, 12:14 PM) *
We couldn't disagree more on the Allegri thing but I'm not getting into that. If you're still here, despite whatever you believe to have been wrong, then you're a true fan in my eyes.

We disagree about Allegri's degree of fault into our downward spiral, but come on, even you have to admit that his "style" of football was just painful to watch, he made watching Milan a chore for me, even under Leo it was far more enjoyable than what Allegri did.

As for the club, I'll support Milan even if they drop into Serie B, that's never been an issue for me. But I can admit that as of late, it has become more of a chore to watch Milan each week rather than how I used to enjoy watching Milan back in the Carlo days. I still strangely anticipate each of our games, even now, because I can't help myself, but whereas back then it was more of an excited sort of anticipation these days it's more of a dreaded anticipation.

Posted by: Danny Aug 3 2014, 01:05 PM

I'm a Rangers fan. To me Allegri's Milan was slicker than an oilspill on a field of mushy bananas.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 3 2014, 02:21 PM

There's one member who I won't name, he added me on MSN years back. It's quite blatant he was only here for the glory. As we got worse, his posting became less and less and even started to align himself with a new successful team. Now he doesn't post at all. It's quite sad how people want to be seen to support the top teams, do they think it makes them better or something?

Posted by: han2503 Aug 3 2014, 02:37 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 3 2014, 02:21 PM) *
There's one member who I won't name, he added me on MSN years back. It's quite blatant he was only here for the glory. As we got worse, his posting became less and less and even started to align himself with a new successful team. Now he doesn't post at all. It's quite sad how people want to be seen to support the top teams, do they think it makes them better or something?

Now you've got me ridiculously curious!!!

@ Danny, Milan is my only team and I can't really make a comparison to another team I support that's going through an even rougher time, so Rangers gives you that added perspective that I, for example, do not have. Watching Milan under Allegri, playing the long ball to Ibra/Balo and wasting time at the 60th minute against Palermo or whatever because we're scraping a game was just unbearable for me, it was never fitting of Milan, even at this low we're currently experiencing, we shouldn't be reducing ourselves to that on the pitch

Posted by: Danny Aug 3 2014, 02:51 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 3 2014, 01:21 PM) *
There's one member who I won't name, he added me on MSN years back. It's quite blatant he was only here for the glory. As we got worse, his posting became less and less and even started to align himself with a new successful team. Now he doesn't post at all. It's quite sad how people want to be seen to support the top teams, do they think it makes them better or something?


Name and shame. I'll give you one. Tennie. More of a Barca fan now. Well...she's probably gone to Real Madrid or Atleti now. Definitely spends her time on their forums anyway. Not Milan ones.

Nice girl, odd, but not a bad soul. But absolutely not a true Rossoneri.

As for me, I did intensify my support around the 2002/2003 time when we were kings, but I had been aligned with us well before then and as we've declined, my support hasn't wavered. If anything it's got stronger.


Posted by: Danny Aug 3 2014, 02:56 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 3 2014, 01:37 PM) *
Now you've got me ridiculously curious!!!

@ Danny, Milan is my only team and I can't really make a comparison to another team I support that's going through an even rougher time, so Rangers gives you that added perspective that I, for example, do not have.


Our manager, Ally McCoist, insists on playing washed-up 36-year old striker Lee McCulloch in defence. btw, he can't defend to save his life. He makes Zaccardo on a bad day look like Maldini giving the performance of his life. This is the kind of garbage we Bears have to put up with - DESPITE the fact we have about 5 proper dedicated central defenders. Half of them get bench so Ally's chum Lee gets played in defence. Hopeless. Basically like Allegri insisting that 39 year old Pippo must play, so played him in defence. Yes. That bad.

QUOTE
Watching Milan under Allegri, playing the long ball to Ibra/Balo and wasting time at the 60th minute against Palermo or whatever because we're scraping a game was just unbearable for me, it was never fitting of Milan, even at this low we're currently experiencing, we shouldn't be reducing ourselves to that on the pitch


But...you say that, yet one of the great strengths which made Italian teams so imperious in the late 80s to early noughties was the ability to shut up shop and waste time on a one goal lead. Within the spirit of the game, of course, and it was done so cleverly but it's absolutely nothing new and Carlo did it just as much.

It's just his squad was stronger and underachieved for its weight, so a lesser Milan like Allegri's (albeit both managers won the same number of Scudettos with us ffs!) would be more noticeable because fans were getting more critical.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 3 2014, 02:57 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 3 2014, 02:51 PM) *
Name and shame. I'll give you one. Tennie. More of a Barca fan now. Well...she's probably gone to Real Madrid or Atleti now. Definitely spends her time on their forums anyway. Not Milan ones.

Nice girl, odd, but not a bad soul. But absolutely not a true Rossoneri.

As for me, I did intensify my support around the 2002/2003 time when we were kings, but I had been aligned with us well before then and as we've declined, my support hasn't wavered. If anything it's got stronger.

Danny's right! Tell us!!!

For me I was sort of indifferent during that time, which is strange since we were at the very top. I was obviously still a Milan fan but I was sort of only in name at the time as I wasn't really following the team all that closely. I really got back into it with a fierce passion during 2005, and that CL final got me even more crazy about Milan, strangely enough because that's probably the most disheartening occurrence that could ever happen to a fan

Posted by: han2503 Aug 3 2014, 03:02 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 3 2014, 02:56 PM) *
Our manager, Ally McCoist, insists on playing washed-up 36-year old striker Lee McCulloch in defence. btw, he can't defend to save his life. He makes Zaccardo on a bad day look like Maldini giving the performance of his life. This is the kind of garbage we Bears have to put up with - DESPITE the fact we have about 5 proper dedicated central defenders. Half of them get bench so Ally's chum Lee gets played in defence. Hopeless. Basically like Allegri insisting that 39 year old Pippo must play, so played him in defence. Yes. That bad.

Ouch!! That's bad!!

So you do have a LOT of perspective in comparison to someone like me who only has past Milan sides to compare this one to.

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 3 2014, 02:56 PM) *
But...you say that, yet one of the great strengths which made Italian teams so imperious in the late 80s to early noughties was the ability to shut up shop and waste time on a one goal lead. Within the spirit of the game, of course, and it was done so cleverly but it's absolutely nothing new and Carlo did it just as much.

It's just his squad was stronger and underachieved for its weight, so a lesser Milan like Allegri's (albeit both managers won the same number of Scudettos with us ffs!) would be more noticeable because fans were getting more critical.

Shutting up shop and tactical fouls were the inventions of Italian football, I agree. But wasting time at the 60th minute and then end up drawing/losing the game (which happened often) is not something that any top Italian side ever did. Which is why everyone was highly critical of Allegri and how he was turning us into Cagliari 2.0, because that's the behaviour of a bottom level side, not Milan.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 3 2014, 03:10 PM

Suhail was his username I believe. He even asked that his account be deleted on here some time back. When City got taken over by money, he began to point out they were his local team (despite him saying he lived in Oldham).

Football fandom is quite simple really. You do not decide who you support, you do not decide if you care or not. Proper support comes from the heart. I can't just decide that I don't want to support Villa or Milan, I love the clubs too much at this point.

Posted by: Danny Aug 3 2014, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 3 2014, 02:10 PM) *
Suhail was his username I believe. He even asked that his account be deleted on here some time back. When City got taken over by money, he began to point out they were his local team (despite him saying he lived in Oldham).

Football fandom is quite simple really. You do not decide who you support, you do not decide if you care or not. Proper support comes from the heart. I can't just decide that I don't want to support Villa or Milan, I love the clubs too much at this point.


Don't recall his name...or do I? Perhaps.

And yeah, I've not got it easy with Rangers & Milan and you've hardly got a bed of roses with Villa either!

And yes, a team is in your blood for whatever reason. Whether you get into them based on a player, a period, whatever. They're there for life.

Which is why I cannot get into any American sports. I feel no affinity with any team in any US sport except the Broncos because of a video game I played as a kid. But that aside, zero. So I'm not going to start supporting them 'because they're good'. Hence I have no real team next year in the CL - admiration for Atleti's season last year but that is really it. And I don't give a crap about any Italian team other than us so I don't give a hoot how Roma, Napoli or Juve do. In fact I hope Juve f*ck up worse than they did this year. Roma and Napoli I'm indifferent to.

Posted by: Danny Aug 3 2014, 03:39 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 3 2014, 02:02 PM) *
Ouch!! That's bad!!

So you do have a LOT of perspective in comparison to someone like me who only has past Milan sides to compare this one to.


It would seem so. I've seen the great Rangers of 87-98 which won 9IAR and got to the effective semi final of the inaugural CL. And the final of Uefa Cup in 2008.

And now I watch them struggle against American college graduates. Or lose hopelessly to Derby. Starting again in the bottom tier of Scottish football. Which is pretty much as low as it gets!

QUOTE
Shutting up shop and tactical fouls were the inventions of Italian football, I agree. But wasting time at the 60th minute and then end up drawing/losing the game (which happened often) is not something that any top Italian side ever did. Which is why everyone was highly critical of Allegri and how he was turning us into Cagliari 2.0, because that's the behaviour of a bottom level side, not Milan.


True, there's a difference between doing it successfully and not. But as I suggest, Allegri's Milan was 1st, second and third. Seegri's was 8th. I'd kill to be in the CL spots again, and I'd argue Allegri's Milan's deterioration was as much to do with losing his whole team in 2012.

But...this is an argument we'll never agree on.

Posted by: dst Aug 3 2014, 04:01 PM

I've always felt "guilty" of supporting a successful club so I don't mind the down years at all. I always thought it'd be more... romantic to support Fiorentina for example, if that makes sense. What bothers me is for a while now there's not a single player in this team I really like! There's actually more players I really don't like. And then there's Balotelli whom I can't stand. Plus, off the field this management has become so appalling and tasteless. But... Milan is Milan, it's not a matter of choice.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 3 2014, 04:24 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Aug 3 2014, 04:01 PM) *
I've always felt "guilty" of supporting a successful club so I don't mind the down years at all. I always thought it'd be more... romantic to support Fiorentina for example, if that makes sense. What bothers me is for a while now there's not a single player in this team I really like! There's actually more players I really don't like. And then there's Balotelli whom I can't stand. Plus, off the field this management has become so appalling and tasteless. But... Milan is Milan, it's not a matter of choice.

There are players that I do like, but yeah, the scale is tipped towards the ones I don't like. I can't see that changing any time soon, only the list of players that I do like getting even shorter than it already is

Posted by: acid911 Aug 3 2014, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Aug 3 2014, 09:01 PM) *
What bothers me is for a while now there's not a single player in this team I really like!

Oh come, on! mad.gif There is at least one player that you do like, admit it. biggrin.gif tongue.gif Sure, you may not like him as much as Kakha Kaladze, but Mattia De Sciglio is one chap that you should (and probably do) appreciate. Of all the young characters we have had seen play, he carries himself the best.

Not a fan, yet, but I think the kid could be a gem, provided we keep him. Provided.

Posted by: dst Aug 3 2014, 05:01 PM

I do like MDS, but as I said there's no one I really like, or as you said, I'm not a fan yet.

Posted by: acid911 Aug 3 2014, 05:20 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Aug 3 2014, 10:01 PM) *
I do like MDS, but as I said there's no one I really like, or as you said, I'm not a fan yet.

Hey, I was just funning around. happy.gif I like the guy too, just as much as you. But we all agree that he has a long way to go to prove himself among the other greats of the club. Let's just hope he is played in his strongest position from now on, or at least, not hovered around different ones.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 3 2014, 06:10 PM

Wow. Sometimes, it is like Pana and I are the same person. I have the same issues. There really is no one I like in this team right now.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 3 2014, 06:11 PM

I've always liked Pazzini, but even now I still don't see him as "Milan".

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 3 2014, 08:14 PM

I'm here till I die!
FORZA MILAN!!
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I love this club, but like many of you not necessarily all it's players!

For what it's worth - Here's my assessment of our current side:


NOT MILAN QULAITY
Michael Agazzi (3rd string quality at best - Should not have arrived - Should be sold)
Gabriel (3rd string quality at the moment at best - Should be sent on loan or sold)
Kévin Constant (Ridiculous to think he's one of the current team's most expensive acquisitions - Should be sold)
Dídac Vilà (Never given a chance, but also never hinted toward any real prospect - Should probably be sold)
Cristian Zaccardo (Should have never arrived here in the first place - Needs to go!)
Sulley Muntari (Better options can be brouht in - Can easily be replaced - Back up at best, but should be sold)
Michael Essien (Should have never arrived here in the first place - Needs to go!)
Robinho (Departure Long overdue & Wages Too High - Needs to go!!!)

POSITIVE SPOTS IN OUR TEAM
Mattia De Sciglio (Prospect for the future - Must stay!)
Bryan Cristante (Prospect for the future - Must stay!)
Nigel de Jong (Our only true DM and a decent quality one at that with a few years still to offer)
Mario Balotelli (Our best ST - I've said it before, and I'm saying it again... I'm willing to give him another season)
Stephan El Shaarawy (I've said it before, and I'm saying it again... I'm willing to give him another season)
Hachim Mastour (Brilliant prospect for the future - Must stay!!!)
Keisuke Honda (Decent enough for rotation - Still yet to impress for us though)
Andrea Poli (Decent hard working rotational player - Gets the job done for the moment)
Riccardo Montolivo (Arguably our best MF & playmaker, about as good as we can do right now)


MIXED REVIEW - CAN OFFER SOMETHING TO THE TEAM
Christian Abbiati (What should be a backup keeper in my eyes) *1
Ignazio Abate (Highly inconsistent - Should definitely stay until a suitable replacement is brought in though)
Philippe Mexès (Decent enough CB for backup & rotation - Needs reduced wages though) *1
Adil Rami (Decent enough CB for backup & rotation - Showed how willingness to play for us) *2
Cristián Zapata (Decent enough CB for backup & rotation)
Michelangelo Albertazzi (Undecided but unimpressed at the moment - Better options definitely exist)
Alex (Decent enough CB for backup & rotation) *1
Daniele Bonera (Loyal player - Nothing more than backup & rotation) *1
Riccardo Saponara (Prospect for the future - Still yet to impress apart from one game vs inter)
Giampaolo Pazzini (Decent backup - Still yet to recover form after a long injury layoff)
M'Baye Niang (A prospect for the future - Loan might be the best option)
Jérémy Ménez (A decent capture for rotation up top - Yet to show his worth)


*1 - Time not on their side, but can possibly contribute in a rotational role.
*2 - Demonstrated last season to be a good rotation CB, has had a horrible pre-season thus far though

Posted by: Danny Aug 3 2014, 11:08 PM

I adore De Jong. I like Abate. I like MDS. I like Bonera. I like Zapata. I like Pazzo. I like Poli.

I want to like Menez, but that's where my affinity ends with the players.

Players I genuinely dislike:

Mexes, Monto, Essien, Muntari, Constant, SES, Honda, Saponara, Balo - that's actual hate.

Players I'm on the fence with:

Rami, Cristante, Alex.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 4 2014, 12:49 AM

Over the years my support for this team has never faltered. On the contrary, I'd say I've become even more fanatic as now I also see things more in depth, whereas previously when I was younger I was mostly just an avid fan.

However, one thing has changed, drastically, and that is the passion I watch every game. In the Ancelotti years I would literally scream every time we'd scored, be it against Juventus or against Modena. I would get chills before every important game, and watch each game with incredible intensity. Nowadays, I rarely get that feeling. Because there isn't anything we're capable of fighting for. Every game is a constant, a mediocrity, a borefest.

The passion inside of me has died down, and considering the sad state we're in nowadays I don't know if it'll ever come back. sad.gif

Posted by: KillerMax Aug 4 2014, 01:00 AM

Interesting theory. I have one too. If your first team is not Milan, then you are not really a Milan fan. And you certainly can't tell Milan fans how to be real Milan fans. Maybe I should explain the meaning of irony to you allover again.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 4 2014, 01:49 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 3 2014, 08:49 PM) *
Over the years my support for this team has never faltered. On the contrary, I'd say I've become even more fanatic as now I also see things more in depth, whereas previously when I was younger I was mostly just an avid fan.

However, one thing has changed, drastically, and that is the passion I watch every game. In the Ancelotti years I would literally scream every time we'd scored, be it against Juventus or against Modena. I would get chills before every important game, and watch each game with incredible intensity. Nowadays, I rarely get that feeling. Because there isn't anything we're capable of fighting for. Every game is a constant, a mediocrity, a borefest.

The passion inside of me has died down, and considering the sad state we're in nowadays I don't know if it'll ever come back. sad.gif

I understand this completely, but I'm sure something would give eventually (sooner hopefully rather than later) and our passion can return!

I almost go into games expecting to lose now, where as before I would be overly optimistic thinking we were invincible.
Even after our glory years passed, I still had moments where I would blindly feel like if we gave our all we can put up a fight and get a result against any team.

Nowadays however, its more along the lines of... if we gave our all, we 'might not' get embarrassed that badly!


...but such are the times for a Milan fan! sad.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 4 2014, 04:46 AM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 4 2014, 07:30 AM) *
Interesting theory. I have one too. If your first team is not Milan, then you are not really a Milan fan. And you certainly can't tell Milan fans how to be real Milan fans. Maybe I should explain the meaning of irony to you allover again.


A bit of a stretch that? Though it is good to see your ugly self here again. I missed you butthead. wub.gif


In the end, you're always a football fan I believe. And the values you like in football are the ones you look for in a club. Sometimes you have supported the club long enough to know what its core values are and therefore believe anything contrary is just a blip in the graph. Sometimes it doesn't work that way, and the very core values of your club does change. And sometimes you're not okay with that change at all and can no longer support what your old club now represents.

So I'm not one for censuring anyone. Who am I to judge why someone should support Milan? If you supported a winning team that had some of the best players in Europe strut stuff as an elite heavyweight, there's nothing wrong with that, and you probably shouldn't let someone tell you you're being shallow. After all a heartfelt admiration towards excellence and professionalism is nothing to be ashamed of.

My values are not the same.

I supported Milan and Newcastle coz of that community feeling they generated. It was a nice cozy family atmosphere. When I feel it no longer exists without a shred of hope for it to return, then I too might need to find another club. But yes, winning or losing has little to do with my loyalties.

Posted by: KillerMax Aug 4 2014, 06:33 AM

Good to see you too you ****! biggrin.gif

And some good points there. Some.

Posted by: arivanjj Aug 4 2014, 09:54 AM

we watched gilardino play for 3 years. that's the ultimate sacrifice all of us made here.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 4 2014, 09:56 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 3 2014, 04:51 PM) *
Name and shame. I'll give you one. Tennie. More of a Barca fan now. Well...she's probably gone to Real Madrid or Atleti now. Definitely spends her time on their forums anyway. Not Milan ones.

Nice girl, odd, but not a bad soul. But absolutely not a true Rossoneri.

Man, you've got it all wrong here. Tennie is and always will be nothing but a true Rossonero. She watched Milan games before you and me even knew how to spell the players names. And she's still a Milan fan, I know that for a fact wink.gif

It's only that the recent management-related things got her to watch different teams and milder down their support. I don't think it's bad.

For example, say we have a time machine and it brings you to Italy 1930-something. Would you still support Milan, even if you knew that Lazio and Milan are the designated fascist clubs?

Posted by: Danny Aug 4 2014, 10:30 AM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 4 2014, 12:00 AM) *
Interesting theory. I have one too. If your first team is not Milan, then you are not really a Milan fan. And you certainly can't tell Milan fans how to be real Milan fans. Maybe I should explain the meaning of irony to you allover again.


Even if Milan are your 18th team you're still a true Rossoneri if you stick by the team through thick and thin.

Maybe you want to look up 'loyalty' rather than 'irony'.

Posted by: Danny Aug 4 2014, 10:33 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 4 2014, 08:56 AM) *
Man, you've got it all wrong here. Tennie is and always will be nothing but a true Rossonero. She watched Milan games before you and me even knew how to spell the players names. And she's still a Milan fan, I know that for a fact wink.gif

It's only that the recent management-related things got her to watch different teams and milder down their support. I don't think it's bad.


I do. If anything stops you supporting the team, you're not a true fan. My only requirement for being a true fan of a club is sticking with your love no matter what happens on and off the pitch.

QUOTE
For example, say we have a time machine and it brings you to Italy 1930-something. Would you still support Milan, even if you knew that Lazio and Milan are the designated fascist clubs?


That's so scarily close to the Godwin Theory I wouldn't even know where to start!

Posted by: Danny Aug 4 2014, 10:36 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 3 2014, 11:49 PM) *
Over the years my support for this team has never faltered. On the contrary, I'd say I've become even more fanatic as now I also see things more in depth, whereas previously when I was younger I was mostly just an avid fan.

However, one thing has changed, drastically, and that is the passion I watch every game. In the Ancelotti years I would literally scream every time we'd scored, be it against Juventus or against Modena. I would get chills before every important game, and watch each game with incredible intensity. Nowadays, I rarely get that feeling. Because there isn't anything we're capable of fighting for. Every game is a constant, a mediocrity, a borefest.

The passion inside of me has died down, and considering the sad state we're in nowadays I don't know if it'll ever come back. sad.gif


I'd agree with this tbh. I don't exactly feel passion in the way I used to, although I still get excited over Milan playing. The sight of red and black will always make me feel good, even if I don't scream much now when Muntari bundles one over from a yard.

Posted by: KillerMax Aug 4 2014, 11:27 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 4 2014, 04:30 AM) *
Even if Milan are your 18th team you're still a true Rossoneri if you stick by the team through thick and thin.

Maybe you want to look up 'loyalty' rather than 'irony'.


Sure. You can have your girlfriend and be loyal to your mistress as well (In some twisted sort of logic). Just don't give me relationship advice.

Posted by: Danny Aug 4 2014, 01:37 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 4 2014, 10:27 AM) *
Sure. You can have your girlfriend and be loyal to your mistress as well (In some twisted sort of logic). Just don't give me relationship advice.



Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 4 2014, 02:38 PM

I think Danny's opening post was a suggestion of who would no longer be supporting the team if we were to get worse. Whether Milan are your 1st team or your 100th team, if you stop being a fan then quite obviously, by definition, you aren't a fan any more.

The idea that people who follow their local clubs, and Milan, aren't "true" fans or whatever. I just don't buy it. That's as ridiculous as saying people not from Milan can't be true Milan fans because it's not even your city.

Posted by: Danny Aug 4 2014, 03:36 PM

I don't even have a first team. I see myself as two football supporters. One who's dedicated to Rangers, one to Milan.

I don't even see myself as half one team half the other. So for me it's not 50% Rangers and 50% Milan, it's 100% both.

My Rangers identity and support I see as completely separate to Milan, albeit I do like looking at the relationship between the clubs and fans down the years.

Oddly enough the only real dissenter (that I recall) to my OP was indeed Max, who's rambling on about affairs and irony.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 4 2014, 04:13 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 4 2014, 02:38 PM) *
The idea that people who follow their local clubs, and Milan, aren't "true" fans or whatever. I just don't buy it. That's as ridiculous as saying people not from Milan can't be true Milan fans because it's not even your city.


Yeah. I've had people say that to me in the past. What difference does it make whether I'm from Milan or not? Absolutely ludicrous.

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 4 2014, 03:36 PM) *
I don't even have a first team. I see myself as two football supporters. One who's dedicated to Rangers, one to Milan.

I don't even see myself as half one team half the other. So for me it's not 50% Rangers and 50% Milan, it's 100% both.

My Rangers identity and support I see as completely separate to Milan, albeit I do like looking at the relationship between the clubs and fans down the years.

Oddly enough the only real dissenter (that I recall) to my OP was indeed Max, who's rambling on about affairs and irony.


What would you do if Milan and Rangers faced each other in a final or semi-final?

Posted by: KillerMax Aug 4 2014, 05:45 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 4 2014, 08:38 AM) *
I think Danny's opening post was a suggestion of who would no longer be supporting the team if we were to get worse. Whether Milan are your 1st team or your 100th team, if you stop being a fan then quite obviously, by definition, you aren't a fan any more.

The idea that people who follow their local clubs, and Milan, aren't "true" fans or whatever. I just don't buy it. That's as ridiculous as saying people not from Milan can't be true Milan fans because it's not even your city.


I'm really not being serious. But I feel the op's point is just as non-sensical. No-one likes glory hunters, but you can't deny that people like me, dst, "mab", J. Sp etc... are much less into this team right now. I personally don't feel like less of a fan in anyways. It's just how we deal with the situation. I don't have any other team I'm flocking to either. In fact I'm not interested in football like I used to be. Not even close. Are you telling me that I was never really a football fan? biggrin.gif Needless to say, I disagree with danny completely.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 4 2014, 08:10 PM

Being less into the team doesn't make you less of a fan, though. I'd even class myself in the same category as you guys.

Although I recall Villa have played Inter about 5 times, I don't think Villa and Milan have ever played. If it hasn't happened in 115 years, I don't think I need to worry about it happening in my lifetime. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Danny Aug 4 2014, 09:29 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 4 2014, 03:13 PM) *
What would you do if Milan and Rangers faced each other in a final or semi-final?


Been asked this a million times smile.gif

Before 2012 when Rangers & Milan could have met in CL it had never actually happened in my lifetime. Every CL draw was still met with 'please don't put them together' but it never happened. Indeed their only competitive meeting in history was in 1958 when Milan won.

I've loved the numerous friendlies down the years - in the past 20 there have been 3 - one win each and one draw.

However, in 2012 Rangers were 'relegated' (long and messy story) to 4th tier of Scottish football. Next season we're playing in the second top one and thereafter if we get promoted it'll be the SPL top flight again. However with only one CL spot now for the winners of the SPL it'll be years before Rangers win the SPL again, and even then the winner is put into the second qualifying round of the CL - and Celtic just lost 4-1 in Warsaw in their first leg so will probably be out before the group stage.

Meanwhile Milan are crumbling further away from the CL spots so while Rangers are a trillion miles away from CL, Milan are a billion.

So it's not a conundrum I need to lose any sleep over wink.gif

But in truth I would be 100% neutral I think. And I'd keep my views on the result totally to myself.

But...it'll probably never ever happen, like El-Kurto I don't see it happening in my lifetime given it hasn't yet. And the odds have lengthened with both clubs' decline. Considerably.

Wow that was a ramble smile.gif

Posted by: Danny Aug 4 2014, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 4 2014, 04:45 PM) *
I'm really not being serious. But I feel the op's point is just as non-sensical. No-one likes glory hunters, but you can't deny that people like me, dst, "mab", J. Sp etc... are much less into this team right now. I personally don't feel like less of a fan in anyways. It's just how we deal with the situation. I don't have any other team I'm flocking to either. In fact I'm not interested in football like I used to be. Not even close. Are you telling me that I was never really a football fan? biggrin.gif Needless to say, I disagree with danny completely.


I think you've missed my point. My point is anyone who abandons this club isn't a true fan. I didn't say those who feel less into it and enjoy it less aren't. I can't lie and say I am enjoying Milan right now, but I'm not stopping supporting.

Do feel like our minds are wired very differently on this.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 4 2014, 09:36 PM

Yes, it's natural to be less enthusiastic these days. Hard to be excited when your team playing shitty football and being managed by a senile person who needs to retire (two of them, actually). Sometimes you have some other sh!t in your life, much more important than sports, that keeps you less interested for a while. But to stop watching and following the team altogether or being some asshole glory hunter and just move on to other top team (I don't think Milan have many of those left after recent years) is a completely different thing.

BTW, Danny, I wouldn't link leaving the forum with this for the most part. This forum is frozen in 2008 without an active admin, so it's not surprising that many older members moved on to facebook, more updated sites and so on. Even if you could register, I don't think that you'd see many new members over here.

Posted by: Danny Aug 4 2014, 10:02 PM

Yeah wonder why Mike just won't update the place. Or make someone an admin.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 4 2014, 10:43 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Aug 4 2014, 10:36 PM) *
Sometimes you have some other sh!t in your life, much more important than sports, that keeps you less interested for a while.

and other teams you follow, even. I wouldn't call myself a glory hunter, but I follow teams in 5 different sports, it's only natural to be able to invest more time into the ones that entertain you/have a chance to do something.

Then like you say, just life in general.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 5 2014, 08:45 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 4 2014, 11:31 PM) *
I think you've missed my point. My point is anyone who abandons this club isn't a true fan. I didn't say those who feel less into it and enjoy it less aren't. I can't lie and say I am enjoying Milan right now, but I'm not stopping supporting.

Do feel like our minds are wired very differently on this.

But what exactly does it mean to abandon a club?

Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 5 2014, 04:09 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 3 2014, 09:51 AM) *
Name and shame. I'll give you one. Tennie. More of a Barca fan now. Well...she's probably gone to Real Madrid or Atleti now. Definitely spends her time on their forums anyway. Not Milan ones.

Nice girl, odd, but not a bad soul. But absolutely not a true Rossoneri.


Wow, you're really bitter I unfollowed you on twitter, aren't you? The character assassination is not cool.

For the record:
1. I've followed Milan since there were only 2 rings on the San Siro. I fly to Italy to see the team play 2-3 times a year, and that is not inexpensive from where I live.
2. That support hasn't changed, even though it's rather painful to see what's happened in the last few years.
3. The support for Tavecchio turns my stomach as it'll do very bad things to Italian football's credibility in general. It's this issue - support for a racist - that bothers me more than any of the other nonsence.
4. I'm not a Barca fan, though I did enjoy their play in the 2009-10 era.
5. I'm not actually active on any boards and haven't been for quite a while so your assertion that I spend time on their forums is inaccurate.
6. You have no right whatsoever to tell me whether or not I'm a true Rossoneri and I find your post more than a little insulting.

As for why I'm not active here any longer, it's more to do with the bad attitudes of fellow posters than it is my lack of support for the club.



Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 5 2014, 05:02 PM

a wild Tennie appears. ohmy.gif

Posted by: Danny Aug 5 2014, 05:54 PM

QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Aug 5 2014, 03:09 PM) *
Wow, you're really bitter I unfollowed you on twitter, aren't you? The character assassination is not cool.

For the record:
blah

As for why I'm not active here any longer, it's more to do with the bad attitudes of fellow posters than it is my lack of support for the club.


PS: you didn't unfollow me, I blocked you. Have a nice day smile.gif

Posted by: Danny Aug 5 2014, 05:55 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 5 2014, 04:02 PM) *
a wild Tennie appears. ohmy.gif


After she was told about this post biggrin.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 5 2014, 05:57 PM

QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Aug 5 2014, 04:09 PM) *
As for why I'm not active here any longer, it's more to do with the bad attitudes of fellow posters than it is my lack of support for the club.


I can actually confirm this. I do remember her saying she doesn't like this place because of the people's attitudes, which is a bit weird considering this forum is a heaven compared to, say, the Red & Black Forums. But hey, to each their own.

Posted by: Danny Aug 5 2014, 06:01 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 5 2014, 04:57 PM) *
I can actually confirm this. I do remember her saying she doesn't like this place because of the people's attitudes, which is a bit weird considering this forum is a heaven compared to, say, the Red & Black Forums. But hey, to each their own.


And I fully expect Suhail to be similarly informed by someone on here that he got posted about and to bestride like a collosus on to defend his honour *draws sword*

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 5 2014, 06:08 PM

Alright, now the real question is, who told her? unsure.gif

Soap opera melodrama FTW! laugh.gif

Posted by: Danny Aug 5 2014, 06:13 PM

The Bold & the Beautiful have nothing on this biggrin.gif

Is it wrong I know what that is?

Posted by: Danny Aug 5 2014, 06:17 PM

PS I think this was Tennie/Fishdoll (whoever she is) last night:


Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 5 2014, 06:24 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 5 2014, 01:17 PM) *
PS I think this was Tennie/Fishdoll (whoever she is) last night:



Wow, your mind is an interesting place. Maybe it's a side effect of all that bathing in Fenian blood that Rangers fans sing about.

I blocked you after those really rather nasty comments you made (and then deleted). Whatever.

You want to continue with the character assassination to make up for other....shortcomings? Go right ahead.

Your attitude is one of the reasons I want nothing to do with this place. I have better things to do with my time than to argue with silly little boys.


For the record, I just poked my head in randomly today to see what the reaction to Tavecchio was. Nobody told me a thing about the insult.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 5 2014, 06:38 PM

unsure.gif huh.gif

So... you sticking around?

I'm sure we can all find a way to get along! wink.gif smile.gif

Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 5 2014, 06:41 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Aug 5 2014, 01:38 PM) *
unsure.gif huh.gif

So... you sticking around?

I'm sure we can all find a way to get along! wink.gif smile.gif



Nah, today's is a drive by cameo only. Too many people that don't like me and that I don't like here to make it worth my while. There are a few folks who know how to get hold of me.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 5 2014, 06:54 PM

QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Aug 5 2014, 02:41 PM) *
Nah, today's is a drive by cameo only. Too many people that don't like me and that I don't like here to make it worth my while. There are a few folks who know how to get hold of me.

Well that's a shame.

You added some invaluable information on various topics here (not just Milan related), but I respect your wishes though.

People are always going to have different opinions though... some expressed in manners which aren't always favorable to everyone. Me personally... I just try my best just to move along if that's the case; avoiding conflict.

Posted by: Danny Aug 5 2014, 07:03 PM

QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Aug 5 2014, 05:24 PM) *
Wow, your mind is an interesting place. Maybe it's a side effect of all that bathing in Fenian blood that Rangers fans sing about.

I blocked you after those really rather nasty comments you made (and then deleted). Whatever.

You want to continue with the character assassination to make up for other....shortcomings? Go right ahead.

Your attitude is one of the reasons I want nothing to do with this place. I have better things to do with my time than to argue with silly little boys.


For the record, I just poked my head in randomly today to see what the reaction to Tavecchio was. Nobody told me a thing about the insult.


I've made no character assassination at all my lovely, I merely suggested you were a nice girl but odd, which you are. On both counts. Feel free to insult me further, I'm a big boy (maybe a silly big boy smile.gif), I can take it wink.gif

Have a nice day, again innocent.gif

Posted by: Danny Aug 5 2014, 07:04 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Aug 5 2014, 05:38 PM) *
unsure.gif huh.gif

So... you sticking around?

I'm sure we can all find a way to get along! wink.gif smile.gif


Could sing Kumbuya?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 5 2014, 07:52 PM

Man, you're really pushing it to the limits here. Personal attacks? Vicious comments? Paranoia? Why is that necessary?

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 5 2014, 08:49 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 3 2014, 03:21 PM) *
There's one member who I won't name, he added me on MSN years back. It's quite blatant he was only here for the glory. As we got worse, his posting became less and less and even started to align himself with a new successful team. Now he doesn't post at all. It's quite sad how people want to be seen to support the top teams, do they think it makes them better or something?

FFS I'm only a Torquay fan biggrin.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 5 2014, 09:00 PM

Oh oh Tennie!!!! devil.gif

Where have you been!? And please do stay king.gif

Posted by: KillerMax Aug 5 2014, 09:02 PM

QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Aug 5 2014, 02:49 PM) *
FFS I'm only a Torquay fan biggrin.gif


Total glory hunter.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 5 2014, 10:31 PM

It's sickening isn't it. The fact he's a Pats fan too just makes it worse.

Posted by: Danny Aug 5 2014, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 5 2014, 06:52 PM) *
Man, you're really pushing it to the limits here. Personal attacks? Vicious comments? Paranoia? Why is that necessary?


I really wish you'd quote who you're talking to.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 6 2014, 12:05 PM

QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Aug 6 2014, 03:19 AM) *
FFS I'm only a Torquay fan biggrin.gif


I must not be the only person who noticed. But anytime you change your nick to xx_is_brilliant. xx just falls to pieces after that.

Started with Sheva, then Kaka, now the whole bloody team!! ohmy.gif

Could you change your nick to Juve_are_Brilliant or Inter_are_Brilliant or something?

Posted by: dst Aug 6 2014, 04:13 PM

Or if for some reason you don't want to use this "curse" on our rivals you can always neutralize it by changing your username to 'Jack Sparrow is Brilliant' because well, our captain has already hit rock bottom.

Posted by: Zed.D Aug 6 2014, 08:12 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 4 2014, 07:08 PM) *
The idea that people who follow their local clubs, and Milan, aren't "true" fans or whatever. I just don't buy it. That's as ridiculous as saying people not from Milan can't be true Milan fans because it's not even your city.

I'm not a fan of any club other than Milan. not even my local club. it starts and ends with Milan.

QUOTE (dst @ Aug 3 2014, 08:31 PM) *
I've always felt "guilty" of supporting a successful club

laugh.gif

Posted by: Danny Aug 7 2014, 01:07 AM

That all said I'm still wondering who's guilty of the crimes Pippo posted about earlier in the thread.

Posted by: KillerMax Aug 7 2014, 01:11 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 6 2014, 07:07 PM) *
That all said I'm still wondering who's guilty of the crimes Pippo posted about earlier in the thread.


You.

Posted by: Danny Aug 7 2014, 01:31 AM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 7 2014, 12:11 AM) *
You.


Then maybe show me all the vicious attacks and personal insults I'm guilty of not to mention paranoia...

As compared to being accused of bigotry, being bitter, and being a silly little boy. That rather covers the above a lot better than anything I said, don't you think?

Posted by: Danny Aug 7 2014, 01:34 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 5 2014, 06:52 PM) *
Man, you're really pushing it to the limits here. Personal attacks? Vicious comments? Paranoia? Why is that necessary?


If this really is aimed at me you're going to really have to quote or state where I've done all this.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 7 2014, 05:54 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Aug 6 2014, 10:43 PM) *
Or if for some reason you don't want to use this "curse" on our rivals you can always neutralize it by changing your username to 'Jack Sparrow is Brilliant' because well, our captain has already hit rock bottom.


Ah screw you. You don't know what you're missing. I have a great view of the stars from where I'am.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 7 2014, 06:43 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 6 2014, 08:05 AM) *
I must not be the only person who noticed. But anytime you change your nick to xx_is_brilliant. xx just falls to pieces after that.

Started with Sheva, then Kaka, now the whole bloody team!! ohmy.gif

Could you change your nick to Juve_are_Brilliant or Inter_are_Brilliant or something?

biggrin.gif


QUOTE (dst @ Aug 6 2014, 12:13 PM) *
Or if for some reason you don't want to use this "curse" on our rivals you can always neutralize it by changing your username to 'Jack Sparrow is Brilliant' because well, our captain has already hit rock bottom.

laugh.gif


QUOTE (Zed.D @ Aug 6 2014, 04:12 PM) *
I'm not a fan of any club other than Milan. not even my local club. it starts and ends with Milan.

wink.gif devil.gif devilsmiley.gif


QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 7 2014, 01:54 AM) *
Ah screw you. You don't know what you're missing. I have a great view of the stars from where I'am.

biggrin.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 7 2014, 07:37 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 6 2014, 01:05 PM) *
Could you change your nick to Juve_are_Brilliant or Inter_are_Brilliant or something?

biggrin.gif

Posted by: servbot Aug 8 2014, 08:49 PM

Not that I was ever a huge contributor, but I just want to pop my head in and say I'm still here!

Maybe it's good timing on my eyes, but starting last season I couldn't watch very many games because BeInSport took over Serie A broadcasting in the USA from Fox Soccer, and I don't feel it's a good use of my limited money to buy the "ultimate" package on my dish to get every station. So without watching games, I don't really have much to contribute. I still lurk though because much like I used this forum as a "Milan 101" when I started becoming a fan of the club and the sport in general, I now use it as a way to keep up with what's going on with the club because any coverage here like ESPN is awful.

I'm from Chicago. When we pick a team, we don't run to other teams when the chips are down!

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 8 2014, 11:14 PM

You could always watch free streaming. SopCast is very good in that aspect. That's what I do in Copenhagen.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 9 2014, 04:41 PM

QUOTE (servbot @ Aug 8 2014, 04:49 PM) *
Not that I was ever a huge contributor, but I just want to pop my head in and say I'm still here!

Maybe it's good timing on my eyes, but starting last season I couldn't watch very many games because BeInSport took over Serie A broadcasting in the USA from Fox Soccer, and I don't feel it's a good use of my limited money to buy the "ultimate" package on my dish to get every station. So without watching games, I don't really have much to contribute. I still lurk though because much like I used this forum as a "Milan 101" when I started becoming a fan of the club and the sport in general, I now use it as a way to keep up with what's going on with the club because any coverage here like ESPN is awful.

I'm from Chicago. When we pick a team, we don't run to other teams when the chips are down!

Nice to know you're still one of us! wink.gif

...sharing the pain, and hopefully the victories once again; sooner rather than later devilsmiley.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 13 2014, 10:02 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 7 2014, 03:34 AM) *
If this really is aimed at me you're going to really have to quote or state where I've done all this.

Let's just drop it, shall we?

Posted by: Danny Aug 13 2014, 12:07 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 13 2014, 09:02 AM) *
Let's just drop it, shall we?


Let's see, you come in, act weird towards me, make all sorts of quite aggressive accusations, don't back any up and ask me to drop it 5 days later when we've all stopped caring.

You're kinda being out of line here tbh.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 13 2014, 12:11 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 13 2014, 02:07 PM) *
Let's see, you come in, act weird towards me, make all sorts of quite aggressive accusations, don't back any up and ask me to drop it 5 days later when we've all stopped caring.

You're kinda being out of line here tbh.

I don't think so. I went to a brief 5 day holiday without internet connection, that's why there's a gap. And since the discussion cooled down, I didn't feel the urge to reignite it.

Posted by: Danny Aug 13 2014, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 13 2014, 11:11 AM) *
I don't think so. I went to a brief 5 day holiday without internet connection, that's why there's a gap. And since the discussion cooled down, I didn't feel the urge to reignite it.


The 'cooled down' (not that I was ever wound up, more confused tbh) part is why it would have been best if you had maybe just left it.

Can we just go back to talking about Milan now?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 13 2014, 02:45 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 13 2014, 04:41 PM) *
The 'cooled down' (not that I was ever wound up, more confused tbh) part is why it would have been best if you had maybe just left it.

Can we just go back to talking about Milan now?

Left what? You were the one who insistent on it at the first place, asking for additional clarification.

But let's, by all means, return to Milan.

Posted by: Danny Aug 13 2014, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 13 2014, 01:45 PM) *
Left what? You were the one who insistent on it at the first place, asking for additional clarification.


Your fault for being as clear as mud and cryptic tongue.gif

QUOTE
But let's, by all means, return to Milan.


Please God yes smile.gif

Posted by: servbot Aug 13 2014, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 8 2014, 06:14 PM) *
You could always watch free streaming. SopCast is very good in that aspect. That's what I do in Copenhagen.


Yes, I'll try. I had a lot of trouble with a lot of the streaming options not working for more than a few minutes, but I had a real dinosaur of a computer so that was probably at least part of the problem. I have a new computer now so maybe I'll be able to.

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