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Posted by: han2503 Dec 1 2006, 09:30 PM

Posted by: Portikins Dec 2 2006, 02:18 PM

With or without Kaka' we should win.

1-0, Gilardino.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 2 2006, 02:21 PM

Ricky should also rest for this one as we've already achieved the first spot. Hopefuly he'll be ready against Torino.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 2 2006, 02:35 PM

Yea he should rest, we r through even if we loose

Posted by: misha Dec 2 2006, 06:39 PM

AC Milan were confirmed as winners of Group H despite losing their unbeaten record against AEK Athens FC two weeks ago so the main focus in this game is whether LOSC Lille Métropole can qualify alongside them - to do so they have to better AEK's result at RSC Anderlecht. Lille have six points, one behind the in-form Greek outfit, but if the teams finish level the French side will progress thanks to their superior head-to-head record.

• Yet it is also possible for Claude Puel's side to miss out on qualification for the UEFA Cup as well and finish in last place. If they lose and Anderlecht beat AEK then that would put the Belgian champions equal on six points with Lille but in third position on head-to-head.

• Milan's defeat in Athens was a surprise because before Matchday 4 AEK had gone 21 games in the competition without sampling victory. But the 1-0 win against Lille transformed confidence and they then defeated their Italian visitors by the same scoreline, Júlio César's 32nd-minute free-kick hoisting AEK up into second place. It inflicted the Rossoneri's first defeat in the section and their first away from home in the competition in seven games.

Man on a mission
• Meanwhile Lille's hopes were experiencing a downward turn as they were held 2-2 at the Stade Félix-Bollaert by Anderlecht. Peter Odemwingie put the home team ahead but Mbo Mpenza was a man on a mission for the visitors and having equalised that goal he struck again at the start of the second half after Nicolas Fauvergue had restored Lille's lead.

• In the Matchday 2 fixture between the teams a combination of spirited teamwork and Milan's wayward finishing enabled Lille to claim an impressive 0-0 draw against the six-time European champions. Some believed Lille's porous defence would provide rich pickings for their opponents but ultimately they had as many good chances as the visitors to take victory.

• It was the first time the teams had met. Milan traditionally have the upper hand against French opponents at home - winning seven and drawing two of the nine games which began with the narrow UEFA Cup first-round defeat of AJ Auxerre in 1985.

Recent semi-final
• Last season, Carlo Ancelotti's team drew 0-0 against Olympique Lyonnais at the Stade Gerland before winning the home leg 3-1 to set up a UEFA Champions League semi-final with eventual winners FC Barcelona. One notable Milan defeat by French opposition was the 1-0 loss to Olympique de Marseille in the 1992/93 UEFA Champions League final, a game which featured current stars Paolo Maldini and Alessandro Costacurta.

• Lille have faced only two other Italian teams in UEFA competition and in each case experienced the winning feeling away from home. In the 2001/02 UEFA Champions League third qualifying round they won 2-0 at Parma FC, a result which meant they qualified for the group stage for the first time. After the group campaign they then went into the UEFA Cup where in the third round they beat ACF Fiorentina 1-0 in Tuscany and 2-0 at home.

©uefa.com

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 3 2006, 05:39 PM

Galliani said Kakà will be back against Lille. I wouldn't mind him having some minutes, just to regain form.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 3 2006, 06:21 PM

We will probab;y win this, or Carlo will field some Prima vera's and players who don't usually start to give some players some much needed rest. Pippo should start in this one or Boriello next to Oli. Pippo was getting really close today, and Boriello was very good even if he missed a couple of amazing chances, but I gues that's our story this season isn't it? To mis chance after chance

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 4 2006, 12:07 AM

That's what he will do , in the previous ucl , when milan had the second round guaranteed with the first place, they never won a game they lost against celta de vigo and other teams like those, so don't cheer up too much for this game, milan won't win, they will either tie or lose.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 4 2006, 02:22 AM

Who really cares? We should forget about the Champions League for a while (until February) and concentrate on winning as much matches as possible in the league until the Christmas break.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 4 2006, 09:34 AM

Exactly, I don't see why we should try and go for the win in this one. Since we are garaunteed first place then I wouldn't field even 3 regular starters, so that everyone will be rested for the Toro match.

I think I would go for something like this for out starting 11

Bonera--Simic--Kaladze--Antonelli
----Lunati---Pirlo--Ambrosini----
-------------Seedorf-------------
----------Pippo--Boriello--------

Kaladze should play because he needs to regain match fitness and quick. Antonelli on the left because Janku has been playing practically every match this season and needs a rest. Lunati, since we don't have anyone alse for the midfield, and Ambro so he can get some minutes into his legs, and Pirlo because he won't play next weekend, and maybe the one after that also.

Seedorf should play in Kaka's place since he always does good playing in the attacking midfielder role.

Pippo and Boriello since both played well against Cagliari and to give Gila and Oli some rest.

btw was Oli injured in the Cagliari match, he was having a rough time with everyone tackling him down everytime he got the ball, some of the fouls on him where seriously brutal

Posted by: gianni Dec 4 2006, 02:24 PM

if Ac Milan will win in this match it will be an incorporeal winning for Ac Milan

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 4 2006, 05:32 PM

I dont know about Seedorf up front, he'll kill us when going on the counter .. Maybe give Gourcuff the spot .. At the same time, let him gain confidence

Posted by: han2503 Dec 4 2006, 07:10 PM

I just put seedorf there because he has more experiance and would be able to handlpe the much havier marking in that area.

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 4 2006, 10:10 PM

i would also prefer gourcuff , more minutes for this future crack , and we can see if he can manage to play in that role for 90 mins.

Posted by: milanistar Dec 4 2006, 10:40 PM

Do you really think Antonelli and Lunati have CL licences?

Posted by: han2503 Dec 4 2006, 11:12 PM

You can bring through a limited ammount of youth players

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 4 2006, 11:56 PM

I would also go for Han's line up, except maybe put Gourcuff instead of Lunati.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 5 2006, 09:18 AM

Yeah that would probably be better. But since gourcuff has been playing a lot lately I thought a rest would be good, especially since Pirlo will be suspended he will definately play in the weekend against Toro.

But I gues at his age all the matches he gets the better

Posted by: arivanjj Dec 5 2006, 09:27 AM

isn't he suspended in serie a ?!

Posted by: han2503 Dec 5 2006, 09:36 AM

sry I meant since Pirlo will be suspended Gourcuff will definately play in the weekend

Posted by: arivanjj Dec 5 2006, 09:54 AM

oh right.. my bad

Posted by: han2503 Dec 5 2006, 10:01 AM

No worries

Posted by: dst Dec 5 2006, 01:33 PM

I think he should be banned!!

Posted by: han2503 Dec 5 2006, 01:47 PM

Posted by: misha Dec 5 2006, 05:53 PM

Ancelotti wants useless win

Carlo Ancelotti has asked his Milan side to perform against Lille, even though they have already qualified for the last 16 of the Champions League.

The Rossoneri were defeated by AEK Athens two weeks ago, but were confirmed as winners of Group H thanks to the draw between Anderlecht and the French outfit.

“The Champions League is our main objective every season and this year it is the same,” said Ancelotti in the Press conference at Milanello on Tuesday.

“We want to win tomorrow, for two different reasons,” added the tactician.

“First of all a victory would help us in this difficult moment, then many accused us of not being a serious club at the start of the campaign and we want to prove that is not the case.

“I have not yet decided which starting line-up I will field, although both Massimo Ambrosini and Kaka should be available.”

The Rossoneri have been hit by an injury crisis, but the former Juventus Coach deflected questions about possible new arrivals after Christmas.

“The club may decide to make some moves on the market in January, but this will not depend on the Champions League,” he added.

“We are just hoping that most of our injured players will have recovered by then.”

Ancelotti was then inevitably asked to comment on the betting investigation which does include two of his squad – Zeljko Kalac and Marek Jankulovski.

“These two players will be focused on the match and I am sure this issue will not distract them,” he continued.

“What happened during the summer is only the tip of the iceberg, but I believe illegal betting is an entirely different problem.

“In any case, there is a federal rule that says that FIGC members must not bet and that rule should always be respected.”

Football Italia

Posted by: misha Dec 5 2006, 05:58 PM

KAKA BACK

AC Milan welcome back midfielder Kaka for their final Champions League Group H showdown against Lille on Wednesday.

Kaka, who missed last weekend's 2-2 Serie A draw at Cagliari, has recovered from a foot injury and will be available to play.

The Brazilian's return to action is the only good news for coach Carlo Ancelotti, who is without nine injured regulars for the encounter at the San Siro, including goalkeeper Dida and midfield general Gennaro Gattuso.

Central defender Alessandro Nesta is the latest player to join the injury list, with the Italy international ruled out for three months after shoulder surgery.

Fortunately for the Rossoneri, they go into the clash against Lille with nothing to play for, having already qualified for the last 16 as group winners.

However, Ancelotti will be keen to give their fans some joy following his side's dismal campaign on the domestic front.

Sunday's result at Cagliari left the Rossoneri in 15th position in the standings, 24 points behind leaders Internazionale.

"We have to win against Lille because of our current situation," said Ancelotti.

"Against Lille I will field my best team because we want to honour the competition."

Meanwhile, Milan have slashed the price of tickets for the game to just one euro for those fans who hold a Serie A season pass, which should ensure a lively atmosphere come Wednesday night.

Lille head into the match knowing a win or a draw, coupled with a defeat for AEK Athens against Anderlecht, would secure them a top-two finish and progression to the knockout stage.

However, if they lose and Anderlecht do beat AEK, Les Dogues would finish fourth and out of Europe altogether.

Their chances have not been helped by an injury to goalkeeper Tony Sylva, who is ruled out of the game.

Sylva fractured a finger on his left hand during the 3-1 Ligue 1 win over Nancy at the weekend.

Gregory Malicki came off the bench as Sylva's replacement in that game and will now take his place in the starting XI against Milan.

Sylva's experience will be sorely missed but Lille coach Claude Puel has faith in his second-string custodian.

"Tony Sylva is an important part of the team and has often been decisive for us but we have every confidence in Greg," he said. "There is no need to worry."

Captain Gregory Tafforeau is a serious doubt for the match after injuring his ankle against Nancy, and he could be replaced by Milivoje Vitakic.

Other absentees include Johan Audel, who is still recovering from a shoulder injury, Stephane Dumont (knee) and Peter Franquart (thigh).

Peter Odemwingie should start as a lone striker in a 4-5-1 formation.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=international_feed/06/12/05/SOCCER_Ita-AC_Milan_Preview.html&TEAMHD=soccer

Posted by: dst Dec 5 2006, 06:01 PM

Ancelotti mentioned Suazo at the press conference...

Posted by: Portikins Dec 5 2006, 11:57 PM

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 12:08 AM

GOALKEEPERS: Kalac, Fiori, Facchin.
DEFENDERS: Antonelli, Bonera, Kaladze, Maldini, Jankulovski, Simic.
MIDFIELDERS: Ambrosini, Brocchi, Gourcuff, Kakà, Pirlo, Seedorf.
STRIKERS: Borriello, Gilardino, Inzaghi, Ricardo Oliveira.


Well.. i think ancelotti could use this line up for this game , or at least i would like to see this line up.

thay can rest kaka, at least most part of the game, bonera can play as cb, and also gourcuff will have more minutes on the field.


-----------------kalac

---simic---bonera---maldini---antonelli

------brocchi---pirlo----seedorf

---------------gourcuff

--------gilardino---oliveira

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 12:08 AM

Back for the revenge.

I'm sorry for having been dishonest about the last confrontation but it was a pleasure for me.

It'll be a hard game. Lille's players are on top form and really motivated - they still can qualify for the 1/8 final. I know you have other motivations.

I was really afraid to go to San Siro to get a result we could need but considering you miss such players as Dida, Gattuso or Nesta I think we have a little chance. I'm still scared by Inzaghi ! With him a goal can come from nowhere. Fortunately the young goalkeeper Malicki is pretty good - maybe not ready for CL. I trust in Bodmer (Ballack style) and Odemwingie.

I see Antonelli on the left ? Facing Keita who is our best player and already was in Lens ?

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 12:12 AM

I really dont think milan will win... however, good luck !

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 12:16 AM

-----------------kalac

---simic---bonera---Kaladze---antonelli

------brocchi---Ambrosini----seedorf

---------------gourcuff

--------borriello/ inzaghi---oliveira

This game is unnecessary so I'll go with that. Ambro and Kala will have playing time after injuries. Borriello and Antonelli will get CL experience. Key players will get their rest.

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 12:23 AM

yes, surely kala or ambro will have some minutes, i think kala over ambro..

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 6 2006, 12:26 AM

Good luck

You'll need it

This will be the formation tomorrow :

-----------Kalac-----

----Simic---Kakha--Maldini---Janku--

------Pirlo---Broochi--

----------Kaka----Gourcuff---

------Oliviera-----Super Pippo Inzaghi--



Now r u honestly confident that u'll get anything from this game?

Ur playing in San Siro btw

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 12:38 AM

Hardly but not impossible. I'm not "confident", I think we have a little possibility.

And will be San Siro full and hot for this match against an unknown little French team ?

Possible Lille formation:

-------------Odemwingie

Bastos----------------------------Keita

----------------Bodmer

-----------Makoun-Cabaye

Tafforeau-Plestan-Tavlaridis-Chalmé

-----------------Malicki

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 12:43 AM

I don't even think san siron will be half way full ( well tickets will be 1 € )nevertheless it can result a quite nice game from this two sides, lille will go to milan to look for a victory, milan is not fighting for something at this piont, so that could be something good for Lille in this case, but im still pessimistic about the result, some way i feel that Lille will win. not beause of the line up, it's becasue milan is not fighting for something now.

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 12:44 AM

LOSC Lille Métropole coach Claude Puel insists his side must come away from San Siro with "no regrets" on Wednesday night ahead of their deciding Group H match against AC Milan.

Tall order
The visitors have not made life easy for themselves; their 2-2 home draw with RSC Anderlecht on Matchday 5, coupled with Milan's surprise loss to AEK Athens FC the same night, means they must better AEK's result in Brussels to reach the knockout stages for the first time. Puel, however, knows full well that inflicting a defeat upon the six-time European champions will be no small task, even if the hosts are assured of progress as group winners.

European focus
"Milan have focused all their efforts on a successful UEFA Champions League campaign," he said. "After a poor start to their domestic season they have turned their form around in this competition. They may have lost at AEK but they deserved to win and they will want to prove a point by returning to their high standards in front of their own fans. There is no point in us trying to play for a draw - we're improving every year and have already achieved our target in this competition, but we'll give it our all. We will try our best, make sure we have no regrets and, after that, what will be will be."

Spirited comeback
Lille will be boosted by their spirited comeback at in-form AS Nancy-Lorraine at the weekend that brought a 3-1 Ligue 1 victory, although against Milan the visitors will be without first-choice goalkeeper Tony Sylva, who has undergone a hand operation, and midfielder Stéphane Dumont (knee). On a brighter note, captain Grégory Tafforeau is confident of shaking off his ankle problem.

'Winning ways'
Milan should have the support of a bumper crowd after cutting ticket prices to €1 and their coach Carlo Ancelotti is looking to shake off his side's 1-0 reverse in Athens, not to mention Sunday's 2-2 draw at Cagliari Calcio which has left them 15th in Serie A. "We want three points because first, we want to get back to winning ways and second, out of respect for this competition and the other teams who are trying to finish in second place."

Primary aim
"Every year our main objective is to go as far as possible in the UEFA Champions League," he added. "For some reason we've always started well and this year we've come first in our section again. Since I've been here we've won it, reached the last eight, got to the final and last year we made the semi-finals. I don't know what the secret is. But just because we have already qualified for the next stage doesn't mean we're going to let up."

Primary aim
Marco Borriello scored against Cagliari and is in contention to start but a catalogue of injuries has deprived Ancelotti of Dida, Alessandro Nesta, Serginho and Gennaro Gattuso. They will be replaced by Zeljko Kalac, Marek Jankulovski and Dario Å imić, while Massimo Ambrosini and Kaká are available after injury and Milan captain Paolo Maldini is poised to become only the fifth player to feature in 100 UEFA Champions League matches.

Probable teams
Milan: Zeljko Kalac; Daniele Bonera, Dario Å imić, Paolo Madini, Marek Jankulovski; Cristian Brocchi, Andrea Pirlo, Yoann Gourcuff; Kaká; Alberto Gilardino, Marco Borriello.

Lille: Grégory Malicki; Matthieu Chalmé, Nicolas Plestan, Rafael Schmitz, Grégory Tafforeau; Yohan Cabaye, Jean II Makoun; Kader Keita, Mathieu Bodmer, Mathieu Robail; Peter Odemwingie.

©uefa.com

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 6 2006, 12:51 AM

The San Siro will be hot ??

As HOT as hell Even against Red Star Belgrade, it was a full house

You have a little possibility .. I'm quite sure it's Kalac, but he stood up against Bayern Munich and denyed them anything in Germany, why not in the San Siro

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 12:57 AM

Red Star was different. We needed a win. But with so many ticket holders and €1 price many people will come.

We were lucky that Bayern didn't got scoring opportunities while Kalac was in

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 01:01 AM

That perhaps will ake the diff, because i wasn't expecting to see the san siro full loaded... will se tomorrow

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 6 2006, 01:01 AM

Give me a break, enjoy the luxury of being a Milan fan (Don't give other teams' fans a chance to say anything about Milan)

.. I was trying to give our friend a scare ...

Where is he btw He got scared already

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 01:06 AM

It's a good luxury
He is a Lille fan. What can he say about Milan?

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 01:10 AM

You Scare him to death.., don't be so mean....

Posted by: arivanjj Dec 6 2006, 10:02 AM

AC Milan-Lille preview

BACKGROUND

These two sides played an entertaining scoreless draw in France on matchday 2 of the competition.

Milan had the majority of the possession over the home team, but could not do anything with it; although, they did challenge on several occasions to take the lead. Lille nearly scored themselves, but they too could not put the ball into the net.

CURRENT FORM

Milan (W D W W L, 10 points)

The Rossoneri are first place in group H, and have already cemented first place in the group due to their record against AEK Athens, who are currently second. They had been nearly perfect until they stumbled two weeks ago in Athens, losing 1-0.

Nevertheless, they will not have to field a full strength side in this fixture. Actually, they wouldn’t be able to even if they wanted. They have been hit by major injuries all season, and are missing several key players.

Lille (D D W L D, 5 points)

The form this season of Lille has not been quite what they would have hoped. While playing good attacking football at times, they have struggled to get the results, and the final ball that is oh-so-necessary toward getting goals has been hard to find.

They come into this match knowing that a draw and AEK Athens loss would send them through, by virtue of their head-to-head record against the Greek side (AEK have seven points, while Lille have six). They should not be playing for a draw, however. AEK face an Anderlecht side which has historically struggled in this competition, and a win is the more likely result to send Lille through, coupled with an AEK draw or loss.

TEAM NEWS

Milan have an extensive injury list. First-choice ‘keeper Nelson Dida is out until 2007, as are defenders Alessandro Nesta and Serginho, with midfielder Gennaro Gattuso also not able to see action until the New Year. The most worrying concern for Milan is the injury Kakà sustained recently, and he may not be able to play in this match. Marcos Cafu is doubtful for this match.

Lille, too, have injury concerns. Goalkeeper Tony Sylva is unavailable here, as he had hand surgery at the weekend. Gregory Tafforeau picked up an ankle problem in the same game, and is questionable.

PLAYERS TO WATCH

Alberto Gilardino (Milan) – He performed well at the weekend, getting his second league goal of the season. Will this finally be the time for him to succeed to the throne of Milan goalscoring hero after Andriy Shevchenko’s departure to Chelsea?

Peter Odemwingie (Lille) – His pace can make a mockery of any defense, especially the aging Milan rearguard. His ability to make runs into space will be essential for a Lille victory.

POSSIBLE STARTING XI’s

Milan (4-4-2): Kalac; Simic, Kaladze, Maldini, Jankulovski; Brocchi, Pirlo, Seedorf; Gourcuff; Gilardino, Borriello

Lille (4-4-2): Malicki; Lichtsteiner, Plestan, Tafforeau, Tavlaridis; Bodmer, Debuchy, Makoun, Robail; Fauvergue, Odemwingie

PREDICTION

The play will not be the most beautiful, but there will certainly be purpose behind each ball by both squads. Expect a lot of fouls, and a draw will be the most likely result.

Milan 1-1 Lille



http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=183174

Posted by: arivanjj Dec 6 2006, 10:06 AM

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 12:19 PM

I'm sleeping during the night
Don't you ?

1-1 could be sufficient for qualifying us if Athens loses against Anderlecht. Only a defeat eliminates us from any competition.


I'm not representative I'm using a "we" because I'm French and supporter of every French club engaged in the European competitions (Lyon, Lille, Bordeaux, Paris, Nancy, Lens and Auxerre).

I don't really like foreigners clubs, I'm jealous of their past, their successes, their stars and fame. I prefer supporting French football and hoping it will grow like it did between 1976 and 1995. In 1995 we were the 2nd best football in Europe. Too bad we couldn't win more than a C1 and a C2. I'm still waiting for a victory in C3. I know we can do it each year but we have no motivation...

I know there's a great respect in France for the historical "grands clubs" such as Barcelone, Madrid, Manchester, Bayern... Milan... Marseille considers you as a rival since the period 91-93. You're still a good souvenir for Marseille and Bordeaux (Dugarry-Zidane-Lizarazu).
Plus, nobody likes your President in France.

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 02:43 PM

BTW Auxerre and Paris were beaten by Israeli teams in uefa cup. Especially Paris 4:2 at home

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 07:05 PM

Paris is horrible this year.

As each year since 1998.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Dec 6 2006, 07:07 PM

No wonder...even their players are scared of those racist fans...even though they are a sub section...

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 07:10 PM

Yeah. Also Israeli under 21 team beat France under 21 team for a place in euro. We are lucky against France.

Posted by: Portikins Dec 6 2006, 07:57 PM

Our first 11 for tonight. Let's go ragazzi!

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 08:01 PM

Not for the Euro but for Olympic Games.

The Euro was this year just before the World Cup and we lost as French: "les perdants magnifiques". We were faves and stolen by Netherlands !

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 6 2006, 08:05 PM

Nooo, not Brocchi again. That guy needs a bit of rest.

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 08:11 PM

There will be a euro this summer also because they decided to make it in uneven years to give it more popularity and not to be upstaged.
4 from 8 teams from euro will qualify to the Olympic games.

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 08:25 PM

the lineup is out. def: bonera-simic-kaladze-janku mid:brocchi-pirlo-ambro-gourcuff att:boriello-inzaghi. i never thought i'd see the day when boriello starts a CL game for us

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 08:28 PM

Final team:

-------------Odemwingie

Debuchy--------------------------Keita

----------------Bodmer

-----------Makoun-Cabaye

Tafforeau-Plestan-Tavlaridis-Chalmé

-----------------Malicki


A good group. Watch out Odem, Keita, Bodmer and Makoun (as usual).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpTfI-FfV9s

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 08:28 PM

This game isn't important. So why not?

Posted by: ACM-pippo Dec 6 2006, 08:28 PM

I think that is good line up

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 08:53 PM

GOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLL

Posted by: Portikins Dec 6 2006, 08:54 PM

7min and already losing at home vs. Lille.

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 08:54 PM

ya this team just gets more and more pathetic

Posted by: mchanna Dec 6 2006, 08:55 PM

?!?!?!? what happened? rofl

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 08:58 PM

Lille take an early lead after Mathieu Bodmer's stinging long-range drive was not held by Zeljko Kalac and Peter Odemwingie followed up to convert the rebound

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 08:58 PM

i dint see it but what mroe can you expect from kalac

Posted by: arivanjj Dec 6 2006, 09:13 PM

WHAT A GOAL BY NELSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 09:14 PM

WHAT A GOAL FROM NELSON... BENFICA!!

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 09:15 PM

and celtic down 2-0... GO BENFICA

Posted by: Portikins Dec 6 2006, 09:15 PM

dst is probably watching it.

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 09:17 PM

whata a crazy game... god ronaldo free kick saved then the ball hits the def hand ont he goaline(by accident)... shoulda been a penalty.

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 09:18 PM

could it be Arsenal and Man Un both out?
Porto playing good BTW

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 09:27 PM

"Inzaghi (Milan) is adjudged to be in an offside position." i was getting scared almost halftime without inzaghi being offside.

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 09:33 PM

vidic... hmmmm goalie looked poor on that one he wasnt imposing himself

Posted by: arivanjj Dec 6 2006, 09:36 PM

HT. pitiful... kaka nad gila may come on after the break

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 09:39 PM

Excellent first half-time Only Chalmé scares me. He has definitely not the level. And don't think our all other players have it ! It's Claude Puel. Probably one of the greatest coaches in Europe.

Posted by: Portikins Dec 6 2006, 09:39 PM

At least a draw...

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 09:40 PM

like what can you say i dont think theres anything positive about this season besides kaka playing very well. not only are we playing poor boring football btu we suck and cant win games even at home.i wonder what the excuses will be today when we lose the match 2-0. "OH but we won the group". ya but what a disgraceful way to win a group by losing your two last matches.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 6 2006, 09:41 PM

We played pretty bad but what were you really expecting? We've always lost the last matches when we had obtained the first spot (i.e. Lens, Celta Vigo etc.) Even if we lose, really, who gives a f@ck?

Posted by: Portikins Dec 6 2006, 09:43 PM

UEFA Ranking. If we lose today we'll be only 4 points ahead of Barcelona.

Well, they'll catch us sooner or later...

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 09:46 PM

they owe it to the fans so far this season this team has failed miserably at every single test,hurdle and challenge. this isnt matter of this game not being important it's about playing well and getting a result. cuz honeslty i'm getting tired of hearing the excuses of these losers.

Posted by: LaPalma Dec 6 2006, 09:48 PM

This is so poor...we're playing so bad that we talk about other games in this topic... btw look at our bench. We're so cool that we can bench players like Maldini, Kaká or Gila...

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 6 2006, 09:49 PM

You're too pissed off. Calm down pal, we're not going to win anything this season so put your heart in peace. Carlo benched Maldini, Seedorf, Kakà, Oliveira and Gilardino. Including the injuries, we were pratically playing with the second squad. Lille needs to win, we don't give a sh!t about this match. Of course we're lossing.

Posted by: mishie Dec 6 2006, 09:50 PM

seedorf on for brocchi

Posted by: mchanna Dec 6 2006, 09:53 PM

are we playing so bad?
good that I can't watch it...

Posted by: arivanjj Dec 6 2006, 09:53 PM

it says brocchi on uefa site

Posted by: mishie Dec 6 2006, 09:59 PM

kaka on ambrosini off

Posted by: arivanjj Dec 6 2006, 09:59 PM

Kaka in for Ambro

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 10:05 PM

Well just got here, just saw the score, i was in a university exam... and.. milan is not doing so well , but i said it before, i knew somehow that thwy wont be able to win this one

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 10:06 PM

pippo close....

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 10:09 PM

this is a disgrace... i don't want to see the game anymore, why can the winter break start right now !, so i can stop losing my mind with this...

Posted by: Portikins Dec 6 2006, 10:12 PM

Shame! 0-2!!

This team is a PURE SHAME. A TRUE SHAME.

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 10:13 PM

Lille goal.. Sh!t... im out of here...

Posted by: mchanna Dec 6 2006, 10:15 PM

which f****r, is so f*****g bad?!?
tell me! I'll call him out for a duel!

Posted by: LaPalma Dec 6 2006, 10:15 PM

Now..THIS is a disgrace,,,this team is playing like sh!t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 10:18 PM

i hope milan get a ncie round of jeers from the crowd, cuz they deserve it.

Posted by: ACM-pippo Dec 6 2006, 10:18 PM

Oli in
Borriello out

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 10:20 PM

Cabaye (Lille) hits the crossbar.

Posted by: Portikins Dec 6 2006, 10:21 PM

The players earn a lot of money. They're showing no respect towards the fans.

Unbelievable.

Posted by: mchanna Dec 6 2006, 10:21 PM

lol,. heard that they already jeered at halftime...

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 10:22 PM

This lille fan will surely get drunk of happiness today... he should be dancing by this moment...

Posted by: LaPalma Dec 6 2006, 10:26 PM

Someone should make a gravestone with something like "Here lies Milan. They used to be one of the most feared clubs in the world"....

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 6 2006, 10:27 PM

good scka and porto tied cuz if not we could possibly face arsenal if they end 2nd. man we might even face barca or real. we are so screwed it's not even funny. i'm sure we're out next round even if we play well.

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 10:29 PM

Or.. ''here lies galliani, the retard that thought that everything was ok''..

Posted by: ACM-pippo Dec 6 2006, 10:36 PM

Bonera - I hate you!

Posted by: Portikins Dec 6 2006, 10:36 PM

We're screwed anyway. No mather if it's Porto, Real, Barcelona...

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 10:36 PM

what's up with him ???

Posted by: ACM-pippo Dec 6 2006, 10:37 PM

He's awful!

Posted by: ACM-pippo Dec 6 2006, 10:40 PM

0-2 GRAZIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 10:41 PM

well ladies and gentlemen, let me tell ya... now, i feel pity for this, this is so indignant

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 10:46 PM

How did you guess ?!!?


ON EST EN 8E
ON EST EN 8E
ON EST, ON EST, ON EST EN 8E

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 6 2006, 10:48 PM

Aye we played probably our worst match of the season. It was pretty obvious we weren't going to win this one, Lille needed the victory more than us and they obtained it. The players lacked motivation, it's pretty much understandable since we were already qualified. Now let's look forward to the Sunday match and see what the guys really can do.

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 10:50 PM

Malicki: 8/10 Excellent. No error.
Chalmé: 5,5/10 Mistakes but a good 2nd half-time
Plestan: 7,5/10 Our best central defender
Tavlaridis: 6/10 Too many faults
Tafforeau: 6,5/10 Captain Greg !
Makoun: 8/10 ENORMOUS
Bodmer: 7,5/10 The future French Ballack !!
Cabaye: 6,5/10 What a work !
Keita: 6,5/10 It's him.
Debuchy: 6/10 Correct
Odemwingie: 6,5/10 Pure striker !

Claude Puel: 10/10 Sir, you're a God.

Posted by: milanistar Dec 6 2006, 10:51 PM

We were so bad!!!
Lille deserves to go through, they played a very good and serious game, while we were just watching!
It's a pity, such a shame!!!

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 6 2006, 10:52 PM

Aye he impressed me a lot. MOM.

Posted by: milanistar Dec 6 2006, 10:57 PM

Maliki had nothing to do to night, while Chalmé deserves better!
Bodmer was great, as usual at the moment
Well done anyway!

Posted by: sansiro1708 Dec 6 2006, 10:58 PM

HELLO to the other football clubs
these are the steps to make your football club CRAP in less than 6 months

-U know wat there arent any steps just do exactly wat AC milan has done over the few months

these steps are going to work 4 sure
call 0-800-BERLU for any questions

Posted by: milanistar Dec 6 2006, 10:58 PM

Agreed!

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 11:01 PM

Now I DON'T WANT find you again if we pass the 1/8. I'm too afraid of a Milan on top-form. You're too strong, Pirlo deserved the Ballon d'Or this year, Gattuso and Serginho are poisons and Nesta is one of the 5 world best defenders !

Posted by: mishie Dec 6 2006, 11:03 PM

i think your just trying to spare our feelings!! thanks anyway and well done you deserved your victory

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 11:04 PM

And he's that incredible since two years. We're beginning to wonder why he's not in the Equipe de France. He can play as libero, defensive midfield or n°10. He has potentially the class of a Laurent Blanc.

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 11:05 PM

Champions League Gp H, Match 6 - 6/12/06 (19.45)
Milan 0 - 2 Lille
Odemwingie 7 (L), Keita 67 (L)
Stadio Meazza

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Howlers from Zeljko Kalac and Dario Simic allowed Lille to grab a 2-0 victory away to a desperately disappointing Milan, who were already qualified top of Group H. This result - and the 2-2 draw between AEK and Anderlecht - saw the French outfit through to the next phase.

The Rossoneri were already sure of their leadership spot going into the final game, but Carlo Ancelotti opted to field one of the best line-ups at his disposal to build confidence in this difficult time. Kaka, Marcos Cafu, Dida, Serginho, Giuseppe Favalli and Gennaro Gattuso were out injured, but Massimo Ambrosini returned from his setback. Yoann Gourcuff was given a new more creative role.

Lille were in third place, but could aim for qualification, a UEFA Cup berth or risk a European exit at the end of the evening.

Pippo Inzaghi had an early penalty appeal for a shirt-tug waved away, but the French side were more motivated and it showed. Keita dispossessed Marek Jankulovski for a Peter Odemwingie strike well parried by Zeljko Kalac at the near post.

It was only a warning, as on seven minutes Kalac was surprised by a long-range Bodmer snapshot and his ineffectual flap placed the ball right into the path of Odemwingie from six yards.

Malicki was tested by a couple of Andrea Pirlo free kicks and Inzaghi's glancing shot, but more defensive chaos between Dario Simic and Daniele Bonera almost granted Odemwingie his second of the match.

Another Simic error passed the ball straight to a Lille player and Odemwingie's effort was beaten away by Kalac.

Keita's snapshot from 30 metres took a deflection to whistle past the post, but Milan seemed to have absolutely no width and tried to aim all their attacks through the centre, leaving Gourcuff isolated on the left flank.

When Gourcuff was able to get into the game on 37 minutes, he tried to dribble through three defenders inside the area and hesitated too long to pull the trigger.

Kalac flew to fingertip a hopeful Cabaye free kick over the bar, although he seemed late to it and could easily have caught the ball.

Borriello had Milan's best chance of the first half in stoppages, hooking down a pass and storming into the area, where Malicki rushed out to smother the finish. It didn't help calm the crowd, who jeered the Rossoneri as they left the field.

Clarence Seedorf replaced Cristian Brocchi at half-time to spark some more creativity and Borriello was able to continue after a clash of heads with Tavlaridis.

Simic continued to disappoint in central defence and was fortunate Graham Poll did not consider his shirt tug on Keita to be worthy of a penalty. Odemwingie sprung the offside trap - Simic at fault - to sprint into the area only to side-foot straight into Kalac's chest.

Inzaghi couldn't get enough contact on a corner kick and nodded it wide. Kalac continued to seem insecure in goal and pushed an apparently harmless long-range strike out for a corner when he could've caught it.

Kaka replaced Ambrosini, moving Gourcuff to the right. Jankulovski's first touch let him down on Seedorf's assist, but Inzaghi was unlucky not to score on the hour mark when his towering header thumped the crossbar from a corner kick.

Inzaghi held off his marker and placed an angled drive towards the far corner, where Malicki held well, but Lille doubled their lead.

Kader Keita combined passes with Bodmer to split the Rossoneri defence and stroke his finish past Kalac. However, once again the Australian goalkeeper and Jankulovski were slow to react.

Ricardo Oliveira took over from Borriello in a final bid to make the scoreline less embarrassing, but it could've been 3-0 when Bodmer spun round to force a tough save out of Kalac. From the resulting corner kick out to the edge of the area, Cabaye's fierce strike smashed against the crossbar.

Oliveira's hopeful long-range effort didn't trouble Malicki and both teams ran down the clock for Milan's first ever home defeat to a French club.


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Milan: Kalac; Bonera, Simic, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Brocchi (Seedorf 46), Pirlo, Ambrosini (Kaka 54), Gourcuff; Inzaghi, Borriello (Oliveira 72)

Lille: Malicki; Chalmé, Plestan, Tavlaridis, Tafforeau; Keita (Youla 83), Cabaye, Makoun, Debuchy; Bodmer (Fauverge 88); Odemwingie (Robail 72)

Ref: Poll (Eng)

Posted by: milanistar Dec 6 2006, 11:05 PM

We could face Barça, PSV, Real, Cetlic or Porto!
Take your pick!
I'll go for Barça

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 11:05 PM

Just few things that I saw from tv highlights:

-Kalac made some good saves but the first goal is inexcusable
-There was a penalty on Pippo in the begining of the game
-We had one real chance , and even that was from the corner

Forza Milan!!

Posted by: Alcatel Dec 6 2006, 11:07 PM

Bye now and maybe for a revenge Lyon-Milan. See you !

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 6 2006, 11:08 PM

I'd go for Real, thanks.

Posted by: milanistar Dec 6 2006, 11:10 PM

Well Domenech sucks so much that he'll wait to see him sign in a big club!
Plus he'll not let him play in the center of the midfield, he plays too forward for him lol

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 6 2006, 11:11 PM

barca, thank you.

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 11:11 PM

Will be great to have Cetlic. We have a very good chance vs them.
Cetlic<PSV<Porto<Real<Barça

Posted by: milanistar Dec 6 2006, 11:11 PM

Just as usual

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 11:24 PM

Posted by: mchanna Dec 6 2006, 11:27 PM

I'm very disappointed.
Considering Ancelotti played many 'good' players...
Inter also haver 10 pts, and are 2nd in their group!!
This shows how pathetic we are.
I bet I'll read in the next hours crap excuses, like that many are injured, so what!!! A team like Milan should have a good bench!!!
We drew the 'easiest' group in CL, and barely manage to win games!!
I think we should have drawn a difficult team, and then Galliani&Co would see how bad we really are!!!
Seriously, I'll expect we'll be knocked out right out, no matter who we will play. Even some Serie B club could knock us out, in this state we are.
I'm ashamed of Milan letting me down.

Still, Forza Milan per sempre!!

Posted by: misha Dec 6 2006, 11:27 PM

Milan win sparks Lille celebrations

LOSC Lille Métropole won 2-0 at AC Milan to progress to the knockout rounds of the UEFA Champions League for the first time in their history as runners-up to the Rossoneri in Group H.

Famous victory
Lille's hopes of qualifying had seemingly taken a fatal blow when they only drew 2-2 with RSC Anderlecht last time out, but the Belgian club did their French rivals a favour tonight by repeating that scoreline at home to AEK Athens FC when an away win would have rendered Lille’s famous victory meaningless. Peter Odemwingie and Kader Keita were on target for Claude Puel’s side, who showed more enterprise than their illustrious hosts from start to finish.

Odemwingie opener
Lille coach Claude Puel had urged his side not to come away from the match harbouring any regrets and with that in mind the French side started positively. Kader dispossessed Kakha Kaladze after just five minutes and teed up Odemwingie, who forced Zeljko Kalac into an instinctive save with a fierce strike from ten metres. But Kalac, deputising for the injured Dida, was not so sharp in dealing with Lille's next attack two minutes later. Mathieu Bodmer surprised him with a powerful shot from distance which the Australian could only palm one-handed into the path of Odemwingie, who volleyed in from close range.

Lille control
Having wrested the advantage, Lille were content to let Milan, minus the creative skills of substitute Kaká, come at them but, if anything, it was the away side who looked the more likely scorers. On 20 minutes they almost did when Odemwingie broke clear down the left only to see his shot repelled by Kalac, and midway through the half, the giant custodian was almost caught out for a second time when Keita chanced his arm from all of 30 metres. His low shot deflected off Kaladze and narrlowly wide of the far post.

Boriello appeal
Milan's clearest chance of a goal before the interval came when Yoann Gourcuff twisted and turned in the area before finding Marco Boriello who collapsed appealing for a penalty. Lille's attempts were more direct, such as a curling free-kick from Yohan Cabaye which Kalac tipped over the bar at full strength soon after. Despite the early second-half introductions of Clarence Seedorf and Kaká the Rossoneri struggled to cope with their well-organised opponents who threatened with every counterattack. Odemwingie was put clean through again by Keita’s exquisite pass in the 50th minute but shot straight at Kalac with the unmarked Bodmer screaming for the square pass.

Inzaghi chance
Odemwingie was almost punished for his miss when Filippo Inzaghi headed Gourcuff’s corner against the bar with an hour gone but the travelling supporters behind Grégory Malicki's goal found their voice as news of Anderlecht’s second goal filtered through - a collective voice became a roar when their side also took a two-goal lead on 67 minutes. The excellent Kader raced 40 metres with the ball, exchanged a one-two with Bodmer and delivered a cool finish with his right foot to put the win beyond doubt and a dramatic qualification within touching distance.

Festivities
On what proved to be the best night of European football in Lille's history, Cabaye even found the time to rattle a long shot off the bar before the festivities began.

©uefa.com

Posted by: Portikins Dec 6 2006, 11:34 PM

I want Barcelona now. To start thinking only on Serie A...

Posted by: mchanna Dec 6 2006, 11:37 PM

Carlo slams selfish Rossoneri Wednesday 6 December, 2006

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Carlo Ancelotti admits this was an “awful” Milan performance and urged his players to be more “altruistic”.

The Rossoneri stayed in the locker room for some time after the match with Vice-President Adriano Galliani for a crisis meeting following their worst performance of the season so far, a 2-0 Champions League defeat to Lille.

“We lost in the worst possible way – on home turf, when playing badly. It’s a habit we must not get into. The players know the way I feel about this and I expect an immediate reaction,” slammed the Coach.

“I think I have an excellent rapport with the squad and understand their difficulties, but it’s also important for everyone to act in a more altruistic manner.”

The San Siro giants have been struggling badly in Serie A and Europe this term, although the result did not change their qualification top of Group H.

“If Milan are what we saw tonight, then it’s total darkness, as we were awful. When a team isn’t working well, then clearly a lot of the responsibility falls to the Coach. I’m not backing away from that.”

The draw for the second phase is on Friday December 15 and Milan will face one of Barcelona, PSV Eindhoven, Real Madrid, Celtic or Porto.

“The team to avoid is Barcelona, especially considering how they played yesterday. Yet we were on level terms with Barca in the semi-finals last season. The winter break will be crucial, as it’ll allow us to get some of our injured players back and work on the form of others. We absolutely need this time out.”

Lille’s victory allowed them to leap into second place and qualify for the next phase, while a stunning late scissor-kick volley from Bruno Cirillo took AEK Athens to the UEFA Cup with their 2-2 draw against Anderlecht

channel4.com

Posted by: milanistar Dec 6 2006, 11:52 PM

Clearly, otherwise I can't wait to see Puyol down again crying for a foul

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 12:18 AM

I was reading through the posts and you guys made me laugh a bit (well the laughing was mostly at he way we played). Milan are known to n ot win matches they don't need to win, we didn't win the last 2 in the 02/03 season and neither did we win the last 2 of the 03/04 season. And I can't see why all of you where expecting something more from this especially considering the way we have been playing AND not even having to play for the first position since we already have won the group.

The players didn't even try to win it, they where't even running they where just walking around and when we had the ball just put in a few string of passes

We practically fielded our second squad, and we only came down to play this match because you have to honour the fixture.

It looked like they where going through a regular training sessiopn, everybody was taking it easy, even in the end of the match, nobody was even trying to hurry and take the free-kicks or corners, they were just jogging along to the corner flag, or taking a free kick that was in a good position shortly

Kalac made some good save but their first goal was partly his fault and partly the fault of whoever it was that was supposed to be marking Lille's striker.

What I'm trying to say is, just don't get worked up over this match I think everyone here knew what was going to happen in the first place.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 7 2006, 12:26 AM

The next round is going to be played in February. 'Till then the situation would have totally changed. Don't worry, after the Christmas break you're going to see a different Milan, I assure you of that.

And han, I couldn't agree more with your post. It's all I've been saying the whole time, this was more of a training session than a real match. The guys didn't care at all, they probably had their heads on the Sunday match against Torino.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 12:29 AM

Yeah that was what I was thinking, seeing how important that match is and how unimportant this one was.

Posted by: GULLIVER Dec 7 2006, 12:34 AM

I just think we sold this game. Nothing more.

Posted by: mchanna Dec 7 2006, 12:34 AM

that was why I was saying, at the moment.
I hope that Galliani and Co will have a brain surgery, they have some kind of tumour,....

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 12:39 AM

I think they even managed to get more money in ticket sales costing 1€ rather then selling them for the original price and only having a couple of hundrerds of people coming to San Siro.

Right now there is nothing we can do but try and win at least 3 of the 4 Serie A fixtures we have left and wait to go into the christmas break. Hopefully we'kk get a couple of players back and a defender and a forward arrive. I hope it's a fullback and Suazo.

I thinkSuazo could be tempted away for less then 8mil and try to get a decent full back that has an EU passport.

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 7 2006, 12:42 AM

now i read some other things that make me laugh, well its understandable that milan never won the last two games on the ucl, when they were already qualified for the next round in first place, but im not agree with your comment, not because you posted, no, you make good posts bru, but if they have this feeling all time , why then they just can say , ''no why tha heck to play'' , we don;t give a damm ..

what makes me mad, (sort of) its because real , played against dinamo, and real only had the second place , no watter what, and they were losing 2-0 and they never gave up, and real fans are just like milan's, they demand the best from them, and as you can se eventhought the entrance to the san siro was 1 euro, and the stadium was really quite empty, and there are so many things now, its like a cicle, like when shevchenko was just arriving to acm, we got nothig for like 4 years, and it seems that is beggining again, we have already two seasons with out any kind of silverware.

Also they know the fans are pissed, not glad, why not win a game for them, just a questions , do you really think we can beat real, or barcelona , o any other world class team now ?? and be objective, dont think like a milanista , like we all do , but with you hand on your heart , we won be able to, until the team gets new players for the squad , and thats all the problem, if you have subs. is to replace a player if they gor injuried, suspenden or who knows, but we have a very short squad, so as you can see, is not only in the field were the team has problems, i dunno why the management haven't done a single thing, they are the in the heart of milan , and still they dont realize about this whole crappy mess ??

so at the end, i really hope this changes, it hurts to see my team losing, but losing this way, so patheticly, so saldy ... i hope it changes, nobody seems to hace the courage that they had before.

Posted by: GULLIVER Dec 7 2006, 12:43 AM

the game looked like it. We had nothing to lose nothing to gain. Lille at least had big chance, and they used that chance, of course not without Milan's help

Posted by: mchanna Dec 7 2006, 12:45 AM

heard that 25,800 people were there

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 7 2006, 12:46 AM

and we have more than 80,000 seats....

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 7 2006, 12:47 AM

Fact is we absolutely need reinforcements, especially a defender and a striker. Oddo and Suazo are by the window, we can take them for less then 20 million together. Really, if we don't sign at least a player this winter we're screwed.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 12:50 AM

And I agree with what you said but you have to be objective about this and take our current situation into account.

So what would you prefer that we will give our all in this and play for pride? Just so we can say "We won the game cause we are Milan" or would you like to let the players play complaicently in a match that has no significance to us WHAT SO EVER and conserve their energies for a much more important match in the weekend, that if we don't win we will continue to fall off the pace even more.

For me, it's pretty obvious which one I would choose.

And yes, they wheren't even trying to win this match imo, just by watching them play you could see what their intentions where, they where just running down the clock passing the ball around

Posted by: mchanna Dec 7 2006, 12:50 AM

don't think that oddo will come.. as milan treated him...
But yes, if we don't sign anybody/someone bad/few we are screwed

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 12:55 AM

Now just imagine the attendance if the tickets where sold for the regular price.

It's just hard to fill up the San Siro to full capacity, when you compare it to most stadiums in England it is twice their size. So it would be twice as hard to fill to full capacity if it's not a big match.

Like Stamford bridge for example, what's it's capacity, something like 40,000? And it's not always a full house. Now just imagine what it would take to fill a stadium that can hold over 80,000 spectators every weekend

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 7 2006, 12:57 AM

Yes han , but the problem here is that we have been lack of wins the season so far, that another defeat is not a joke anymore, and you will see, that will have a lot of problems facing torino, and using la prima squadra, and the same topic will come to life here, is what we are talking about all time , is our main concern, the main topic.

yuor point is reazonable, more if you say '' hey wa have the ucl final around the corner and the serie A is lost already'', but is not the case, the can get smacked the next round, and belive me im really sacared about that , becasue the seria A is not an option now, lets be honest, and coppta italia might be out redemption.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 12:59 AM

Oddo would still come he's a Milanista at heart and he would do anything to wear the Milan shirt.

Oddo and Suazo should be out January targets. They would come for probably less then 20mil€ together, like X said, some thing that should be well in our price range considering we just made 15 million pounds from qualifying from the group stages of the CL.

Posted by: YoungGun Dec 7 2006, 01:03 AM

Han, I know you always back the team. However, you shouldn't look into only this game, you must look into our serie of matches.

What we have now? No leader, no form, no spirit, ... We need a fresh wind. The extension of Carlo last season is a bs ... I swear.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 01:06 AM

A defeat like this is certainly not something to be proud of, but I'll say it again I was expecting it.

And I know what you are saying, conserving our energy in this match doesn't mean that they will come out all guns blazing in the Toro match, and it doesn't mean that we will win it either.

Bu i still can't see why all this commotion has come up, we where complaicant and played awful, and that's where my theory of them not even trying comes from.

But my point still is, why go all out to get a win you don't need when you could be risking players you desperately need fit at the moment? it's just not worth it imo.

And about the CL KOs, we'll see what transpires during the transfer window and how we will come out playing after the break before we start talking about getting spanked

Posted by: Portikins Dec 7 2006, 01:09 AM

5M for Oddo and 15M for Suazo? When other big clubs asked Cagliari they wanted 25-30M for him...

But if we want to get the 4th place we must buy them. And probably a center-back too. And I wouldn't mind a keeper.

Here's my Xmas list:
-Foward (Suazo?)
-RB (Oddo?)
-CB (...?)
-GK (...?)

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 7 2006, 01:12 AM

Well let's hope we're right, because this is getting really messi game by game, the point is like X said , and as many has said it also, if galliani, berculconi, braida, milan itself don't bring new players for this transfer window , milan won't acomplsished anything this season.

Posted by: misha Dec 7 2006, 01:13 AM

I can't see this happening in january. They will buy max 2 players. The rest (including a LB and DM) in the summer.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 01:14 AM

Well I used to back them up when they where JUST drawing 0-0s and everybody was already coming to conclusions about the team being sh!t.

But what happened in this match really doesn't bother me at all.

Did I want us to win? Of course I did, I even would want them to win a stupid pre-season friendly.
But did I expect them to win or to come out fighting in this match? Not really.
Was I annoyed and frustrated when we conceeded 2 stupid goals that could have easily been prevented if our head was in the game? Definately.

Right now all I'm waiting for is for the winter break to come and hopefully with it confirmation of some of our starters being recovered and regaining fitness and at least 2 signings

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 7 2006, 01:15 AM

-Foward (Suazo?) yes
-RB (Oddo?) yes
-CB (...?)---- barzagli / mexes / chivu
-GK (...?)---- amelia / buffon

Ps : i know im dreaming.. but let me be

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 7 2006, 01:20 AM

milan website is so ***** they dotn even mention the result they just give kaladze's comments on the game: we must forget this loss blahg blah blah.." well kaladze then i guess we must forget this whole season and go home. look some of you were like oh this game wasnt important well then i guess they dint deserve to have any fans come and support them with that sorta attitude cuz thats exactly what displayed on the pitch, that this game wasnt important. i cant wait for them to lose in the next round so they no excuses and we can have a massive clean up.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 01:24 AM

How about this?

-Foward (Suazo?)
-RB (Oddo?)
-CB (Barzagli?)
-GK (Sorrentino?)

About the Suazo thing, 25 mil€ would still be able to be covered just be using the money from UEFA and maybe pulling out 5 mil from our own pockets, and another 5 mil for Oddo, it's strill in out price range and if our managemet had any sense they would try and get these 2. Money shouldn't be a problem for us considering how much we made from selling 3 top players and not having to pay their wages anymore and the bwin deal.

Barzagli should be brought in in the summer, I don't think we currently need another CB the fullback areas are much bigger problems.

And getting Amelia to sit on a bench for the whole season after Dida returns would be pointless seeing as he is still developing and needs his playing time. sorrentino would be great to have as a second choice keeper, a hundred times better then Kalac.



I'm keeping my fingers crossed that at least we'll get a RB and a forward

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 7 2006, 01:29 AM

We need a keeper available for the UCL... the league at last... well you know.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 01:37 AM

Dida would have recovered by the time the CL starts up again.

I just don't see the point in getting someone like Amelia or Buffon while we still have Dida, if we have confirmation of what he will do with the contract situation then the management will move from there and decide who they want to replace him with.

Sorrentino is a good keeper and would be very reliable to have as a second choice

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 7 2006, 01:42 AM

i never said sorrentino was a bad one, he made some great saves against milan. but i think he rathers to stays in AEK and play as a firts keeper , to come to milan and warm the bench.

Posted by: LaPalma Dec 7 2006, 02:03 AM

Well, I don't think this is our main problem. 25.800 people during in a CL match? This is like nothing. When we played against Brescia there where only 1.800 (!) people in the stadium. This is joke. People are p!ssed because of Calciopolli and our recent performances.
1800 people? There are people watching games of my local club which is playing in the 4th league, in a city much smaller than Milan.
An I know for sure that stadiums in english and german stadiums there are much more people even at league games. In Dortmund for example, which is playing really crappy right now, there are 80.000 people wtaching their games every two weeks. And even Schalke could sell 120.000 tickets for their home games if they wanted to.
I don't know exactly why there are only 25.000 during a CL tie, but this is not normal...


As for the winter I don't think we'll be able to sign Oddo or Suazo. Cagliaris demands for Suazo are insane, and Galliani surely doesn't want to spent big...
And I could understand if Oddo doesn't want to join us. In the summer he almost begged for a transfer and we didn't sign him...

Posted by: Bluesummers Dec 7 2006, 04:59 AM

Why doesnt Galliani try and buy players. Doesn't Milan have alot of money apart from the sheva transfer(45mEuro). Oli couldnt cost more than 10m. I wish milan would buy


RB: oddo
Gk: Hildebrand
CAM: Diego

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 7 2006, 05:34 AM

theres rumors galliani is ripping money off. oli was over 10 million + vogel which it pretty strange when in my opiniion vogel is still a quality player and pretty close in value to oliveira. who know maybe that bald loser keeping a lil extra for himself?

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 7 2006, 05:35 AM

i thinks things have to change by then. a team like milan cant stay in the gutter for this long. and if they dont i'll fly to milan and spit in gallianis face (thats if he's still prez)

Posted by: bigmacmtl Dec 7 2006, 05:44 AM

considering money seems to be the main concern for milan rigth now if they start losing money from ticket sales and merchandise cuz we suck then they'll have to invest. over here for hockey things are different. for us a season of hockey each team plays 82 games in 6 months + playoffs which can last up to 2 months. but the thing is it's hard to build big indoor skating rinks cuz the quality of the ice must be kept so the the building can only be a certain size, hence the capicity is never more than 20 000. so that means every game is sold out. in toronto ( which i hate dearly, even more than juve and inter combined) it's almost imporssible to get tickets for the next 5 years cuz they're so high in demand. so the guys who run the team couldnt care less about how the team is doing cuz they're making sooo much.

Posted by: arivanjj Dec 7 2006, 07:22 AM

how exactly does this system work.?

Posted by: jbryant1 Dec 7 2006, 09:06 AM

Yeah and they'll have to be 30+ and injury prone to meet our qualifications.

Posted by: dst Dec 7 2006, 09:45 AM

Disgraceful.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 10:35 AM

Correction Sheva cost Chelsea something like over 60m Euros.

A CAM is not needed imo we need a forward and a RB much more.

Oddo and Suazo are the best options out there for January, both don't have to adapt to Serie A and neither is cup tide.

With the money we have we should be able to afford these easily.

And about the attandences, yes it is bad, Italy always suffered in this aspect and the calciopoli in the summer continued to help the situation. Us laying bad right now doesn't really matter, and it doesn't affect the merchandising either, look at Real for example, they have sucked for these past 3 years and they still are one of the strongest clubs in the marchendising buisness.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 11:20 AM

Milan stars' Mea Culpa

Kakha Kaladze and Cristian Brocchi confess the Milan players could’ve done more against Lille last night.

“We are disappointed, above all because we didn’t like the way we approached this game,” said the Italian midfielder of the 2-0 home defeat.


“Every one of us is aware we could’ve done more. At the same time, we know what we’re going into for the rest of the season and that you can’t always be on top.”


“This is a difficult time for us with many injuries and others playing with niggling problems, but that doesn’t excuse this kind of a performance. Many of us played tonight gritting our teeth because of an emergency situation, as we would’ve been rested in other circumstances.”


The result did not change the Rossoneri’s campaign, as they were already secure of top spot in Champions League Group H.


“It’s certainly our fault as players, but every one has to take their own responsibilities and realise there is more that can be done. Now there are four games left before the Christmas break, which will allow us to train hard and recover physically.”


Brocchi also denied that the newspaper speculation over massive January changes to the squad was affecting concentration.


“When things are going well there is transfer talk because they want to lure Kaka away. When they’re going badly there are rumours we need new players, so either way Milan are going to make headlines.”


Kaladze admitted it was hardly a vintage performance, but insisted this was not something to get concerned about.


“It’s certainly not nice to lose a Champions League game, especially when you’re at San Siro, but this match counted for nothing as we were already qualified. So we hope to put this terrible performance behind us,” said the Georgian international.


“The club will think about the transfer market in January, but it is bad for us to have so many great champions out of action with injuries. All the remaining teams are in the competition strong now, but nobody is unbeatable in this sport, not even Barcelona.”

Football Italia

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 11:21 AM

The players just admitted themselves that they wheren't even trying to put in the effort

I'm confident that things will change after christmas break, well they can't get any worse

Posted by: misha Dec 7 2006, 03:10 PM

It's not so hard... From the best team we can get to the worst team we can get.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 03:16 PM

Those are the only teams we can face in the next round.

If we are going to keep playing the way we are currently playing now, then Celtic should be the best option for us

Posted by: misha Dec 7 2006, 04:27 PM

Players rating from Gazzetta dello Sport:

Kalac - 6
Bonera - 5.5
Simic - 5
Kala - 6
Janku - 5
Brocchi - 6
Seedorf - 5
Pirlo - 5.5
Ambro - 5.5
Kaka - 5
Gourcuff - 5
Borriello - 5.5
Pippo - 5.5
Carlo - 5.5

Posted by: dst Dec 7 2006, 04:34 PM

that's actually good... most of them played way below 5!!

Posted by: berenike_10 Dec 7 2006, 04:37 PM

There is always a chance, but wel all now the issue here, is milan doesn't moves pieces on the invernal transfer market, were through ...

Posted by: milanistar Dec 7 2006, 06:13 PM

How come you people speack about Oddo, he's a 30 yo player!!!!
Plus some of you think we don’t need an attacking midfielder, haven't you seen the last 2 games?
We played with a flat midfield system and it was awful, do you really think we have a sub for Kaka', Seedorf is too slow and Gourcuff is still too young, so I think we definitely need a young experimented CAM just as a RB and a Sheva type forward!

Posted by: LaPalma Dec 7 2006, 06:48 PM

We don't need a CAM, we already have Ricky, and there is no better player out there. Seedorf and Gourcuff are playing in a more central role, and it's the same for Rino. And playing with 2 CAMs never worked in the history of football. Someone has to be the boss...

Posted by: milanistar Dec 7 2006, 07:05 PM

Yes we have Kaka', but we have only him and I can't see the guy playing every game!
What about Diego, have you seen what he did against Barça?

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 08:31 PM

At firsth glance I thought the dash ( - ) was to indicate that the rating is below 0, I was even going to post and ask you if this is just a joke.



Milan played some of their best football with Kaka and Rui behind Crespo or Sheva. It's just a matter if they are able to work with eachother.

We only stopped using that formation because of Silvio's 2 striker rule

Posted by: milanistar Dec 7 2006, 09:04 PM

Me too, but I thought it was deserved

Posted by: misha Dec 7 2006, 10:25 PM

It wouldn't have been too unbelievable

Posted by: han2503 Dec 7 2006, 10:35 PM

Yeah I know, but when it's supposed to be coming from a newspaper I wouldn't expect it, even if rating below 0 where definately deserved by some of our players last night

Posted by: LaPalma Dec 8 2006, 12:28 AM

I've seen him quite often recently. He's a great player, but I don't think he would accept being Ricky back up, especially considering that he was benched in Porto for the most games of the last season...

Posted by: milanistar Dec 8 2006, 12:38 AM

Sure, but still there is so many games in a season that he could easily find a place in that squad, I'm not even speaking about the possibility of playing with 2 CAM ...

Posted by: mchanna Dec 8 2006, 12:39 AM

why is kalac better rated than others !!! lol
SCANDAL pfff...

yes diego is awesome!
but I don't see werder giving him up now...

Posted by: milanistar Dec 8 2006, 12:47 AM

He made great saves, without him we could have took 2 more goals!



I came up with Diego just to answer LaPalma who said "there is no talented CAM out there"

Posted by: LaPalma Dec 8 2006, 01:14 AM

I never said that there's no talented Cam's out there, there may be dozens of them like Messi maybe Iniesta, Kerlon, Schweinsteiger and so on. But I simply don't think they'll join us because there's no chance of benching Ricky...

Posted by: milanistar Dec 8 2006, 01:18 AM

Who talked about beching Kaka' ???

Posted by: LaPalma Dec 8 2006, 01:23 AM

AHHHH...what part about
didn't you get? Why should a talented young player join us when there not a chance to make it to the starting eleven?

Posted by: milanistar Dec 8 2006, 03:09 PM

It seems that we don't have the same vision of football and team management!

Posted by: dst Dec 8 2006, 10:09 PM

you and Diego!?

Posted by: milanistar Dec 8 2006, 10:12 PM

No, me and Kalac