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post May 28 2018, 10:54 AM
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dont know how true this is https://www.football-italia.net/121974/repo...ected-milan-bid

but we needed something like this to happen sooner or later
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post May 28 2018, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 28 2018, 10:54 AM) *
dont know how true this is https://www.football-italia.net/121974/repo...ected-milan-bid

but we needed something like this to happen sooner or later

We're in such murky waters atm that it's very worrying.

The best outcome that I can see for us right now is Li defaulting on his loan to Elliot and they seize control of the club and sell it to a legitimate buyer
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post May 28 2018, 09:00 PM
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I am afraid Romagnoli might be bought for a good sum of money by Juventus. Would be quite something, seeing Bonnuci and Romagnoli basicly swap teams within a year. Juventus getting the younger player for the future, and we the older one. Juventus definitly at the winning end then.

And how come Milan get in trouble with this fair play transfer stuff? What about PSG, Real Madrid, FC Barcelona, et cetera. Aren't they over spending like ever every season? I don't follow what's going on here. How is Milan the only big club getting into trouble? Where lies the difference?

If Milan now feels forced accepting the money for their few crystals left, then it's finito..........
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post May 28 2018, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 12 2018, 12:58 AM) *
Strangely enough, a friend asked me the same question yesterday.

Hey there man, it's been forever! Hope all is good.

Hiiiiiiiiiii!

Yeah, I am kinda viewing from Helipokter view Milan i guess, and then looking at everything I am like..... Bacca out, Kalinic in, for that money? Why? How?

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 12 2018, 12:02 PM) *
Wrong question. Bacca is detested here at MF (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


He's been that bad for Milan? I really don't know. Based on the very little I've seen I was so so with him, but I have such a so much worse feeling on Kalinic than on him.

I haven't seen Belotti play, but he sounds interesting. He is at an age where he can either start having a great career being an outstanding leading forward, or something less. I noticed somewhere X Offender saying or expecting he would become something good / best Itilain forward of the coming years or so.

ANYWHO, it SUCH kind of buy Milan needs to do. Whoever will be outstanding great for the coming years, I don't follow enough football to really know for sure, but my God. The rumours I am reading...

Mandzukic?

Kalinic for 20M a year ago... paying this Summer after one season loan.

What kind of deals are this?

Even those who don't like Bacca, why invest so much money to loan out Bacca and buy an old Kalinic for so much?

Where is the management?

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 12 2018, 12:04 PM) *
Oh and yeah, sure, Donna is young. But his posturing, behavior, greed and wage make him look like a veteran/established star, so sorry, I'm not gonna give him a free pass with the "he's still a raw diamond" excuse. Those excuses are reserved for players who behave and act according to their place and position.


Yeah, Donna most certainly asked for such treatment after all this. He puts more pressure on himself listening to Raiola, so it's hard for me to say what this will lead him to. Modesty is an art he's missing sadly.
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post May 28 2018, 09:13 PM
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It's why I liked the Silva buy so much more than the Kalinic buy last Summer. Sadly, Silva has been a disappointment so far. Outside of Serie A he seems to do well. Is there still hope, much prospect to see in him?

I read often either loan out Cutrone or Silva. Well, obviously loan out Silva then, let him have a good better season elsewehre while Cutrone is just doing fine in the Milan team. I think that's obvious choice there?

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post May 29 2018, 05:51 PM
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It depends; first we must see if the club survives all this financial turmoil. I'm really skeptical but...
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post May 30 2018, 08:50 PM
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Our position is shaky, Yonghong is running out of time. On the other hand Elliott wouldn't be such a bad option, just that they will operate the club more efficiently to create value and sell it off. That efficiency, means cut the squad and cap the wages to manage revenue.

Elliott has circa €303M invested in Milan via Yonghong. That is a discount to what Yonghong paid. They could sell to a buyer anywhere north of €303M. But before that happens there will be a clean up, ie reducing debt. Astronomical build up of debt mostly due to take over. That happened with the Glazers at United amongst others.

But I come to think, during such low interest rate environment, Yonghong took the loan from Elliott at 11.5% (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) , meaning total due in October is €380M, this in low interest rate environment? That generally means he is high-risk client. The man also took out $400M from another bank, he only put in €100M of his own funds. He was scavenging for cash, the installments and the missed deadlines that Berlusconi got €750M (net off debt circa €550M). But Li took out that loan and will most likely default. As things stand China has shored up on funds leaving China. The solution Yonghong is looking for is to refinance the loan, ie get another loan for €380M to be repaid on better terms (or most likely worse). With the club still taken as collateral.

I believe he has the capacity to continue with deep pockets, but because the Chinese Govt has prevented these big funds from moving, he isn't allowed to take those pockets with him. Hence why the terms given to him are always going to be aggressive.

Not trying to stir up controversy, but if you can't put up 40% of the funds in a takeover, then what are you doing? All the players Milan bought and own are defacto owned by either elliott or the bank.

If you have read up till here, I'm sure you get the drift. Gattuso's inclusion in the fold is to get some disapline in the squad, as things could get pretty rough from here till the end of the summer. Will Yonghong win in the end or will Milan be tossed around and sold to the highest bidder? I'd say the latter.
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post May 30 2018, 08:54 PM
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But all options sound bad in short term span. And I really think this was our last chance.
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post Jun 2 2018, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ May 28 2018, 09:00 PM) *
I am afraid Romagnoli might be bought for a good sum of money by Juventus. Would be quite something, seeing Bonnuci and Romagnoli basicly swap teams within a year. Juventus getting the younger player for the future, and we the older one. Juventus definitly at the winning end then.

And how come Milan get in trouble with this fair play transfer stuff? What about PSG, Real Madrid, FC Barcelona, et cetera. Aren't they over spending like ever every season? I don't follow what's going on here. How is Milan the only big club getting into trouble? Where lies the difference?

If Milan now feels forced accepting the money for their few crystals left, then it's finito..........

Can't see Romagnoli being sold.

I'm not saying that we won't sell anyone of value this summer. But I'm sure the first on that list would be Donnarumma and Suso. I think Romagnoli falls into the untouchable category for the club

Well, the UEFA ruling most came because of the club's financials before the new ownership took over, so once again, this goes back to the mismanagement from Galliani. As for the new ownership, it's really not looking good. The club last week asked for further capital increase and Li sent the money over just in time through the Luxemburg company (I think the transaction happened yesterday). I really don't understand what's going on with Li just that he's shady and no one knows if he's really rich or not. Just seems like he's barely holding on by a thread. There has to be someone behind him but it's obvious that the money isn't flowing into the club like with those other teams you mentioned.

PSG and City have huge sponsorship deals with companies owned by their owners. UEFA fine them for over inflated sponsorships but nothing else. Real and Barcelona have huge revenues from marketing and TV rights which they monopolise in their league. I don't think they have any issues with FFP no matter what they spend
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post Jun 2 2018, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 2 2018, 02:34 PM) *
Can't see Romagnoli being sold.

I'm not saying that we won't sell anyone of value this summer. But I'm sure the first on that list would be Donnarumma and Suso. I think Romagnoli falls into the untouchable category for the club

Well, the UEFA ruling most came because of the club's financials before the new ownership took over, so once again, this goes back to the mismanagement from Galliani. As for the new ownership, it's really not looking good. The club last week asked for further capital increase and Li sent the money over just in time through the Luxemburg company (I think the transaction happened yesterday). I really don't understand what's going on with Li just that he's shady and no one knows if he's really rich or not. Just seems like he's barely holding on by a thread. There has to be someone behind him but it's obvious that the money isn't flowing into the club like with those other teams you mentioned.

PSG and City have huge sponsorship deals with companies owned by their owners. UEFA fine them for over inflated sponsorships but nothing else. Real and Barcelona have huge revenues from marketing and TV rights which they monopolise in their league. I don't think they have any issues with FFP no matter what they spend


PSG and City have owners with substantial financial power. Our owner relies on bank loans to finance our mercato. That's the difference.
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post Jun 5 2018, 06:02 AM
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News filtering out that Li has decided upon a minority share. And it will be to an individual and not a consortium. Eases out a lot of the worries I guess, if it can come through.
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post Jun 6 2018, 06:29 AM
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Romagnoli renewal is one positive news for us.
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post Jun 6 2018, 09:40 PM
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What do you guys think of the Falcao rumors?
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 7 2018, 04:10 AM) *
What do you guys think of the Falcao rumors?


I'd have liked someone younger. But playing Falcao would suggest a change in tactics no? Our striker in the 4-3-3 has been more of a link-up player than a pure bomber. So now do our two wide mids exist to service the striker? A bit like the old Chelsea under Mourinho.

It might bring the best out of Jack as he would essentially be our Lampard then with runs from mid. But Rino's comments are interesting. He really talks like he's got a plan. Let's see.

As for Li - the investigation from Rai sport sounds basically like a hatchet job on Berlusca (doesn't mean it is not true). Basically Li was a front for Berlusca to launder some cash and get his company into the black. That's the refrain.

I wouldn't put it past the old dog to play that trick - however it leaves doubts as to the future of the club.

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post Jun 8 2018, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 2 2018, 05:27 PM) *
PSG and City have owners with substantial financial power. Our owner relies on bank loans to finance our mercato. That's the difference.

That they do, but FFP still wouldn't allow them to pour money in directly to the club, so they have inflated sponsorships which allows them to still be able to bankroll their clubs without facing sanctions.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 6 2018, 09:40 PM) *
What do you guys think of the Falcao rumors?

I think he's past it. We really should be looking elsewhere imo and if we're going to exchange Silva for a Monaco player we should be looking at guys like Keita or Lemar
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