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post Aug 12 2016, 04:06 PM
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post Aug 23 2016, 11:34 PM
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Pretty inexcusable from Roma, especially someone as experienced as De Rossi who practically condemned his team with such an idiotic foul.
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post Aug 24 2016, 06:26 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 23 2016, 11:34 PM) *
Pretty inexcusable from Roma, especially someone as experienced as De Rossi who practically condemned his team with such an idiotic foul.

But very typical for them, so it's no surprise. I only saw the first half but red card or not, they were already doing their utter best to ruin their chances.

That being said, it's good they're in the EL, they'll rack up some decent co-efficient points for the league instead of getting through to the CL, being unseeded and getting KO'd in an impossible group.

However, with all that said, this:

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New @ChampionsLeague format starting in 2018/2019. 4 clubs from Spain, England, Germany and Italy will go directly into the group stage. The 4th team on historical merit.


will be coming into play in a few years so it won't really matter
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post Aug 24 2016, 01:18 PM
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Is that confirmed? Sounds very strange? What does historical merit exactly mean?

Anyway, stupid by De Rossi, but like han said, by no way unexpected. Especially De Rossi who's stopped being a regularly good player long time ago and is now always up to such shenanigans.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2016, 01:18 PM) *
Is that confirmed? Sounds very strange? What does historical merit exactly mean?

Anyway, stupid by De Rossi, but like han said, by no way unexpected. Especially De Rossi who's stopped being a regularly good player long time ago and is now always up to such shenanigans.

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/blog/marcotti-musi...by-gab-marcotti

From what I can understand it's pending final approval and they agreed to this because the big clubs were threatening a break-away league

From what I can understand it will be the 4 biggest leagues (historically) getting 4 automatic spots without any qualifying rounds
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post Aug 25 2016, 09:52 AM
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Good for us.
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post Aug 25 2016, 10:29 AM
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Maybe. But we don't deserve to be. The top 5 of England and Spain are better than the top 3 of the other leagues if taken cumulatively. FFS, Roma can't even get past Porto.
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post Aug 25 2016, 12:29 PM
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It's hard to say who deserves to pass and who doesn't. That kind of criteria won't bring us anywhere, because by today's standards the EPL is almost stronger then the CL. Also, yesterday I watched Dinamo Zagreb and Red Bull Salzburg: do these two teams deserve to be in the CL? Compared to both Porto and Roma they are miles away. So, the system with weaker opponents fighting each others while Italian, French, Spanish and Portugese clubs are bound to face each other is also unfair.

From what I can think, this change of rules will give clubs like Roma, Napoli, etc more breathing space, a more secure environment that will ultimately make them stronger and more adapted to CL football.
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It's kinda sad though that what will eventually bring us back to the CL are new rules rather than our own strengths, unless by some miracle we finish 3rd this season.
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post Aug 25 2016, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 25 2016, 10:29 AM) *
Maybe. But we don't deserve to be. The top 5 of England and Spain are better than the top 3 of the other leagues if taken cumulatively. FFS, Roma can't even get past Porto.

Nah, England is basically just steam rolling everyone because of all the money in the league. When you have relegation contenders battling it out for the best players simply because they can and are financially stronger than clubs in Italy/Germany/Spain (outside of Real and Barca), then you know you have a problem. The EPL has skewed things so widely that it's going to become a one horse race if things in the other leagues do not improve.

This is fair. Italy has historically been stronger in Europe than England and despite all of it's financial/structural short-comings is still putting teams in the competition that are doing better than their English counter-parts and aren't so far off from England in the co-efficients.

What this does though is continue to beat down the smaller clubs and clubs from France and Portugal

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2016, 12:29 PM) *
It's hard to say who deserves to pass and who doesn't. That kind of criteria won't bring us anywhere, because by today's standards the EPL is almost stronger then the CL. Also, yesterday I watched Dinamo Zagreb and Red Bull Salzburg: do these two teams deserve to be in the CL? Compared to both Porto and Roma they are miles away. So, the system with weaker opponents fighting each others while Italian, French, Spanish and Portugese clubs are bound to face each other is also unfair.

From what I can think, this change of rules will give clubs like Roma, Napoli, etc more breathing space, a more secure environment that will ultimately make them stronger and more adapted to CL football.

Agreed. Plus I think the entire co-efficient system is BS. The fact that Germany took Italy's spot because their teams were doing well in the EL league while Italian teams were winning the CL but were shitty in the EL says it all

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It's kinda sad though that what will eventually bring us back to the CL are new rules rather than our own strengths, unless by some miracle we finish 3rd this season.

First we have to make it to 4th. We're not even capable of getting into the EL atm, so we'll see if this will even effect us
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post Aug 26 2016, 10:55 AM
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Official: The top four clubs from the four top-ranked leagues will qualify automatically for the group stage of the UEFA Champions League from 2018. Historical success in the competition will also be acknowledged in coefficient calculation (points for previous European titles).

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post Aug 26 2016, 01:12 PM
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Meaning what exactly? I'm still not clear on that historical success thing.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2016, 01:12 PM) *
Meaning what exactly? I'm still not clear on that historical success thing.

I think that in a very veiled way they're saying that England, Italy, Spain and Germany won't have an automatic qualification, technically. But with historical success coming into play when co-efficients are calculated. it's basically a default result of those 4 leagues being the top 4, with neither France, nor Portugal being able to break through.
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Hmh. Now I get it. So it's the historical success of a country overall that will count, not the individual clubs? Okay, makes sense. What do you guys think of the changes anyway, other then that it's good for Italian football?
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post Aug 27 2016, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 27 2016, 06:05 PM) *
Hmh. Now I get it. So it's the historical success of a country overall that will count, not the individual clubs? Okay, makes sense. What do you guys think of the changes anyway, other then that it's good for Italian football?

Well obviously I'm happy about this in terms of being a fan of Serie A and a team within it. But I have to say that I'd be p!ssed if I followed the French or Portuguese league. This has basically taken away any chance of them being able to advance their league and getting more teams into the CL.

It's obviously unfair for the smaller leagues, but I think it also is sort of a retribution because the current way that co-efficients are calculated is also ridiculous. Plus it will most likely make the competition more interesting in terms of pure entertainment factor.
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