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Posted by: Portikins Jul 2 2007, 10:22 AM

Good interview on Gazzetta today, with Alexandre Pato.

He doesn't say much. Basically:

-He didn't know Ancelotti was on his match against Polonia (stadium).
-He says it was a difficult match.
-Europe = dream move for him.
-Doesn't have a preference when asked about Inter, Milan or Chelsea but says it would be nice to be along with other brazillians in Milan.
-He'd like to play along with Ronaldo and Kaka'. Idols for him.
-He says he plays with Milan in the PlayStation. Not only Milan but Inter, Chelsea and Barcelona too.

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With this, I expect Moratti to sign him in the next 48 hours.

Posted by: fresh_prince7 Jul 2 2007, 10:34 AM

Haha, I hear that porty.

Well when he goes us on the playstation, what more sign do you need.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 2 2007, 10:53 AM

This one should be ours,...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 2 2007, 11:25 AM

My fingers are crossed.

Posted by: mkenya Jul 2 2007, 11:27 AM

wouldn't it be nice!! for once to sign a young player. Lets hope something comes out of this...

Posted by: Portikins Jul 2 2007, 11:52 AM

Pato it's said it's the biggest young-star since Messi in South-America.

It would be really amazing if we sign him but he MUST be in Milanello improving... NOT loaned to Siena or Treviso.
This kind of talents must improve with Champions around. Champions like Maldini, Kaka', Ronaldo, Nesta, Gattuso, Oddo, Pirlo, Inzaghi, etc.

Just like we did with Kaka'.

ex: Barcelona never loaned Messi.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 2 2007, 12:05 PM

This RISKY DREAM could cost 25 million euro...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 2 2007, 12:10 PM

Nothing, considering that we are European Champions...

Posted by: arivanjj Jul 2 2007, 12:13 PM

yeah i can't say i'm too comfortable with him either, but you never know!!

Posted by: dst Jul 2 2007, 12:33 PM

He could be the white Brazilian wonder of HIS generation! I always preferred Brazil's "White Bread"...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 2 2007, 12:43 PM

You mean Altafini, Sani, Leonardo, Kaka,..right?

Posted by: Portikins Jul 2 2007, 12:45 PM

Fvckin' greek racist.

I prefer that too.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jul 2 2007, 12:46 PM

If man utd can overpay for two teenagers of inferior ability to him then so can we

25M Euro dosent sound too bad ideally 15-20M Euros

Posted by: dst Jul 2 2007, 12:53 PM

Yes!

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 2 2007, 01:11 PM

What about ZICO? the greatest white Brazilian... after Kaka!

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 2 2007, 01:15 PM

Maybe one day we will have to pay 50 million (or even more) for him. so better get him now on the cheap.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 2 2007, 01:17 PM

Zico is a bit ovverrated IMO. I`d give both Garrincha and Socrates the advantage,...

Posted by: nmcg Jul 2 2007, 01:28 PM

i say bring him in he luv's milan so why not his ment to be gud get him milan!

Posted by: giegie Jul 2 2007, 02:13 PM

Galliani rejects Pato price
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Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani has poured cold water on recent speculation that the Rossoneri will move for Brazilian starlet Alexandre Pato.

The 17-year-old is currently at the Under-20 World Cup in Canada where Rossoneri boss Carlo Ancelotti is amongst representatives from several top European clubs keeping an eye on the promising striker.

However, Pato is currently under contract with Copa Libertadores holders Internacional until 2009 and the Porto Alegre outfit have reportedly valued him at around £10m – a fee Galliani is unwilling to pay.

“Ancelotti tells me that Pato is a very talented youngster, but he is young and I believe that you can’t spend that much on a player when it’s not certain he will become the new Kaka’,” Galliani insisted.

Galliani’s comments will come as a disappointment to Pato after he told La Gazzetta dello Sport that he would relish the chance to join his idols at Milan.

“To play alongside Ronaldo would be the best. I often play as Milan on the Playstation and there are so many Brazilians there,” he enthused.

While Pato’s first outing in Canada ended in a disappointing defeat against Poland, Palermo’s Edison Cavani impressed for Uruguay against Spain.

The ex-Danubio marksman opened the scoring in the 2-2 draw and made a strong case for a starting place in the Rosanero side in the coming season.

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http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul2e.html

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 2 2007, 02:29 PM

Not willing to pay £10m!?

Galliani must not realise the value of money in todays market, £10m will get you an average player in the Premiership, and he's turning down a potential superstar for the same price.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 2 2007, 04:59 PM

What was the last time Milan really paid for a superstar?...

This Baldy is getting on my nervous... how can European Champions be so mean?!

10 million pound is nothing nowadays...

Posted by: Portikins Jul 2 2007, 05:50 PM

24M/euros for Oliveira? Probably that.

Anyway... I think it's just the usual Baldy talk.

Posted by: dst Jul 2 2007, 05:54 PM

The thing is, it's been solely that by now! I hope they'll show us the money too, I'm patiently waiting...

Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 2 2007, 06:31 PM

What other choices do they have now. All the players they have speculated coming aren't coming. Pato is probably the only choice we have at the moment.

Its buy him now or listen in 3 years to Silvio say I dream of Pato coming or Silvio to bid 100 million euros from him but hes staying at Barcelona.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 2 2007, 06:34 PM

Gilardino and Oli cost us pretty much, but we did not get the things we expected. Thats why we are carefull. But yes, what was the last time? Milans usual transfer-policy is related to free-transfers and swaps, or bosman ruling advantages. But not does spectacular transfer-fees.

But it starts getting on my nerves. Too much money for Etoo, to much for Sheva, too much for Pato,...bah,...if its too much then they should search for bulgarian or romanian players, they will be much cheaper...

Posted by: dst Jul 2 2007, 06:38 PM

You are right! Silvio said some time ago that it's hard to buy players like Ronaldinho/Kaka when they've reached a world-class level thus we should get them when they're young.

Well, this is one of those chances... I hope he will make it happen!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 2 2007, 06:41 PM

It seems to me that Galliani, Berlusconi and Ancelotti are not correspondig very well...The three give different statements, have different ideas and visions when it comes to the transfer market,..

Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 2 2007, 07:59 PM

The issue here is that we have lost out to many top players because we didn't want to pay the transfer and wage. We will continue to see this. Next summer Eto'o will leave and we won't pay his transfer and he will go to Chelsea.

Again 3rd richest club and we have boat loads of money.

Posted by: dst Jul 2 2007, 08:11 PM

Maybe Silvio's daughter is really running the club!??

Posted by: Tennie Jul 2 2007, 08:15 PM

You know...I'm wondering if we're getting all worried over nothing. The articles in English (the one from Football italia and the ones running on Eurosport, Goal, etc) are translations from stuff Fester's said yesterday and the day before. In other words, I think the English-language stuff is lagging behind what may actually be the case. I haven't seen anything today in the Italian media that quotes Fester saying he wasn't interested in Pato.

Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 2 2007, 09:09 PM

Its true that some of the translations sound pretty harsh to a good English speaker. Its really hard to say whats going on.

But one things for sure we haven't gotten anyone in this transfer window and have lost out on several players.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 2 2007, 09:54 PM

They weren't superstars. of course we didn't get them for free... but I meant a real SUPERSTAR! some one like R10, Eto'o, Henry, etc.

The club must spend a huge amount of money, they must sign a real striker. signing strikers as good as Oliveira and Gilardino and Vieri and Amoroso won't solve anything.

How many times must they do something wrong and not even learn? we need somebody as good and reliable as Eto'o. not Cassano!! we can't risk no more, period!

JESUS CHRIST...

Posted by: dst Jul 2 2007, 10:27 PM

^^
Judging from the words in capitals... you want Milan to sing JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR!!?

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 2 2007, 11:04 PM

Where did you find that from!?

Maybe he could do something better than our ordinary bunch of strikers...

Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 3 2007, 07:20 AM

I heard he was speculated to come to. Silvio has been dreaming of it again. I think he's been using a bit too much teeth whitening solution lately.

Posted by: Tennie Jul 3 2007, 11:56 AM

Hsm. Fester now seems to be in the 'pro-Pato' camp.

Here's what he said about Pato before today's Lega Calcio meeting:

Invece su Alexandre Pato: "E' uno degli attaccanti che interessano alle grandi società che se lo possono permettere, quindi anche a noi".

[About Alexandre Pato: "He's one of the available strikers who interests all big teams, including us."]

http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=49162

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 3 2007, 12:27 PM

["About Alexandre Pato: "He's one of the available strikers who interests all big teams, including us."]

It seems Baldy's changing position regarding the Pato issue. I'm getting excited!

I have a feeling he will end up in Milan. I hope my feeling turn out to be a reality just for once.

Posted by: Minami Jul 4 2007, 12:22 PM

I think Pato would be a good signing for us.
10M Euro isn't that much for such a good young striker!!

Hopefully he will become what everybody expects him to become.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 4 2007, 02:13 PM

He scored a brace last night... we should sign him ASAP!

Posted by: arivanjj Jul 5 2007, 10:13 AM

Ancelotti demands Pato push

Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti has reaffirmed his desire to bring Brazilian starlet Alexandre Pato to the San Siro.

Ancelotti has been in Canada watching Pato play for Brazil’s Under 20 side where he earned his hype with a brace against South Korea.

“The kid really is very good. He’s young, but you can see that he has the ability to become a real phenomenon,” the ex-Juventus tactician said.

Copa Libertadores winners Internacional are reportedly keen to sell the man nicknamed ‘The Duck’ and have set a rescission clause on his contract at around £10m.

However, any transfer attempt will be made difficult by FIFA’s rule that prevents international transfers of players under 18. Pato may have to wait until his birthday on September 2 to make the move.

The other headache at Via Turati is the number of other sides looking to sign the gifted youngster. These clubs reportedly include Inter and Chelsea.

Ancelotti’s hopes of winning the race for his signature will be boosted by Pato’s statement that he would love to play alongside Ronaldo and Kaka.


http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul5c.html

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 5 2007, 10:28 AM

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=475271&CPID=103&clid=8&lid=4161&title=Chelsea+bid+for+Pato+confirmed

Posted by: redbabies Jul 5 2007, 10:48 AM

Lets get him

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 5 2007, 10:58 AM

I dreamed of Pato the other night! I was trying to convince him join Milan!

Posted by: dst Jul 5 2007, 11:26 AM

What did he say?

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 5 2007, 02:33 PM

I can't recall, or maybe there was no answer at all.

Posted by: dst Jul 5 2007, 04:29 PM

Then what, did you sleep with him??

Posted by: fresh_prince7 Jul 5 2007, 05:17 PM

Well the last time we bid against chelsea it was 1-0 to milan.

Milan: kaka'

Chelsea: -

Why not make it 2-0, I think the reality is if we offer what they do we'll get him easily. Perfect environment here for him to refine all those skills and potential he has. Surely we would not loan him out, thats the key though, letting him develop in milanello.

Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 5 2007, 11:42 PM

In the long run we will regret not getting Pato if we lose out to Chelsea and Madrid.

He will be a superstar.

If we lose out on this player I doubt we will get anyone in this transfer market.

Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 5 2007, 11:51 PM

Whats funny about all of this is that Chelsea are bidding big for Alves, Pato, and Malouda. Previously they stated that they weren't going to get many reinforcements but a defender and a striker. Roman said they would only spend on their youth camp and not invest in foreign talent for a while.

Whats up with us? We are richer than Chelsea and aren't even close to the debt they are in. We should be more aggressive in the transfer window. We did good in January with Ronaldo and Oddo but we could use some new top talent.

Posted by: m1ke Jul 5 2007, 11:58 PM

The losses Chelsea make every year are laughable.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 6 2007, 12:42 AM

I think we all know that if it came down to Pato to choose between Milan, Chelsea and Inter he would choose us in a heartbeat.

But we can't expect him to drop in our hands without us making any sort of effort to sign him. We have to be agressive, or we will lose out once again like we have been doing these past couple of tranfer sessions

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 6 2007, 01:43 AM

I do agree that if there is a club he (anyone) would sign for, it would be the European Champions - especially with stars like Kaka' and Ronaldo, the attraction is so great.

But i don't agree in that Milan are not agressive in the transfer market. Milan are totally agressive, they might not be too public with their movments .. But it is this same board that has maintained the team for 21 years now. And in that time Milan has aquired the best of the best, in every department on the field.

They might not get involved with certain players whom we (milanfans) dream of, but they assess their options wisely and are experts in their field

If Milan truely want him .. They will bring him in one way or another expect him to be wearing a Rossoneri shirt.

I think Milan is in safe hands .. If Pato doesn't come, then it would be for the best IMO -not cuz I don't like him, but cuz they assessed him and decided otherwise.

U know all this already ... But I just wanted to point out that we all want certain players ... I wanted Torres, since last summer ... But I do believe that it is for the best of THIS team that he went to Liverpool. Cuz you never know what their reasoning might be. But know one thing, this team will end next season with at least two titles

Posted by: fresh_prince7 Jul 6 2007, 05:50 AM

Good post R7, definitely tend to agree with that.

I think its just cause were seeing all the other big clubs getting this big acquisitions to their squads. So its like wtf are we doing, particularly with all the competitions we have this season. In all fairness your right, cannot question the management, they know what there doing. Even if it seems like a board rooms of idiots at times.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 6 2007, 09:45 AM

I know all that and I do agree with you. But you have to admit that these days we are getting beat for certain players that we really want and go after and in the end they end up somewhere else.

I know Galliani likes to haggle as long as it takes to spend the right price on players that he thinks are over priced, but the transfer market has changed a lot and he should know as well as anybody else that clubs like Chelsea, Inter or Real won't hesitate to spend whatever amount to get the player they want even if they are over priced.

Posted by: mkenya Jul 6 2007, 12:48 PM

Lets face it! we are not being aggressive enough in the market. How long does it take to assess and sign a player? The management has been following Pato from last year! Another thing is that we do not go for youth and the youth we have are not given a chance! Wonder why nobody wants to join Milan anymore??

Look at our defence, nobody can run..remember Athens? Pennant shining for heaven's sake!

We lack excitement, without Kaka we go nowhere, our strikers simply suck, our midfielders are so defensive...we are actually a boring team..Wonder why nobody wants to join Milan anymore??

I'm bored, seems like its gonna be the same old story..we'll waste time till last week of August and we will end up paying more for whoever we'll have set our eyes on and they'll turn out to be mediocre signings. That's Milan for you.

Posted by: dst Jul 6 2007, 02:14 PM

@mkenya: Boring?? Are you kidding me?? You are judging based on what? The final?? Or the constipated period before Christmas... why not base your opinion based on our second half of the season displays with the climax being the 2nd leg semi-final versus United?? Was that boring?

Milan are certainly not boring, we play great football, which is what drove me into loving this team in the first place... maybe you prefer the EPL style where the winger runs like a crazy b!tch towards the corner flag every single time he gets the ball even if his team's forwards are dead!! We all saw how effective that is, in CR's amazing runs in the games against us...

Pennant was shining in the final because Jankulovski is Milan's most fielded player and came from a World Cup and an injury-plagued season without preparation... meaning, he resumed playing without being able to play continuously for 11 months!! And he did it! And he was great at it!!

Everyone wants to join Milan!! It's just that Milan have payed sh!t...

@Rosssoneri7: yeah this "patriotic" talk is all good but even Galliani admitted he lost Ibra to Inter last season... That's not aggressive! You are kidding yourself!

And about Milan's transfers in general: Milan always buy great players!! But they're never considered so great cause Milan never cared to hype them up! It's the result that matter most for us... Oddo for example, is better than 99% of the world's RB's... when was the last time you read in the newspapers (which Silvio can also manipulate like other teams do) how great a player Oddo is!??

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 6 2007, 03:13 PM

No, Milan aren't boring at all, we have far more English mentality when it comes to playing than the Italian style though of going 1-0 up and holding it, probably because if we do that now we know we will lose!

Yeah but Pennant gave us a going over in the final using that tactic - Jermaine Pennant for god sake, that shouldn't be happening!

Posted by: mkenya Jul 6 2007, 03:36 PM

Hey cool it dst! I hate EPL, I cant stand the long crosses to wingers and the 45 degrees cross from the corner flag only for the striker to head home or connect with the ball in some way..(rude boy style!).

Our style of play is classy, good possession, nice touches, especially Milan-Man U. I wish we could always play like that! We were dead the major part of the season though and Kaka's brilliance pushed us through.

May be its time we stop relying on Kaka, get more young attack minded midfielders and someone to at least replace Maldini..

Btw did you notice the same thing when we were relying on Sheva..? Milan seemed dead when Sheva wasn't playing..

My contention is that we need younger players and I do not understand why we haven't signed Pato yet!

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 6 2007, 03:41 PM

Nobody can deny Maldini was awfully disappointing in Athens... He didn't do anything special. it was Nesta who saved our @ss over and over again. just go on and watch the final one more time and focus your attention on Maldini's play and you'll know what I mean...

Maldini should have retired after winning the CL... there's no point in going on and on after having such magnificent career. does he really need another CL or European Supercup or even Intercontinental title?!! let's not kid ourselves, he 40 and he can't perform like he used to, no matter how great he is.

I hope you don't get me wrong, cause I love Maldini as much as you do, but I think it was better for him to retire and free a place for a younger defender.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 6 2007, 03:53 PM

That is why Inter are in a HUGE debt

Milan is a healthy organization ... They wont throw away $$ like nickles and dimes. If a player is truely worth it, no one can compete with what AC Milan has to offer, especially being the European champions

It is one thing to be biased and call Galliani a cheap skate .. But it is another in saying that Milan can't compete with Chelsea, Inter and Madrid.

There is something u r not seeing in all of this han, this club is a family more than anything else. You look at other clubs, and the teams act like machines .. Just each player trying to get a share of the lime light. I believe this is why Shevchenko suffered in England.

Milan has a unique atmosphere, and the ONLY reason this team has been playing on a high note for the past 6 to 7 years is because of the managment !

If Milan passed up Suazo, then I am guarenteeing ALL OF YOU that there is a BIG player coming in this summer. But above all, Milan has proven to be a very effective team and managment

You might be pissed off at Galliani and co. for not going for this player or for not coming out in the media about what they are doing or whatever u might be pissed about ... Know this, whatever is cooking in their kitchen, it is HUGE.

Take an example of Ronaldo, Galliani and Berlusconi wanted Ronaldo since God knows when. And they got him !

Milan's transfer starategy is better than that of Madrid !! They don't over-pay and are rarely seen making a move, which makes them a very exclusive club

han .. Do u honestly think Chelsea can out bid Milan Milan are the KINGS of negotiations, u forgot Shevchenko and the 30M

This managment has been around longer than any other around ... They have complete control of all situations IMO




Weren't we gonna be demoted during his transfer to La Merda ...

And why is it a patriotic talk ?! I am just speaking the truth. What is everyone gonna do ? Kick Silvio out ?! Give me a break

Posted by: dst Jul 6 2007, 04:13 PM

No. Check the dates... In any case, Galliani admitted he lost him to Inter himself...


The truth? Please... I can give you this: I don't agree with your "truth"...

Posted by: dst Jul 6 2007, 04:26 PM

I don't want to comment on this now cause it's not been the best of days for me and I know I'm going to regret it...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 6 2007, 04:27 PM

@dst

Why don't u check the dates The reason Milan didn't sign Zlatan was cuz Milan didn't know which league they were playing in AND were not included in the CL prelimenaries ... This is getting really childish ..


Why is everyone complaining when the managment has guarenteed a BIG signing ? Why is everyone complaining when we have just won the European Cup after being tauted to be outsted by Celtic ..

I mean after last season .. The team and managment responded to all doubters that they are the champs of Europe .. Now u found something else to hit back at the club

Why ? Cuz u aint satisfied we didn't sign Torres for 40M Euros

Cuz we didn't snatch Suazo from Inter when we had a chance

What is the reason behind the managment failing to meet ur levels of satisfaction

I know one thing for certain. I would cheer on this very team next season, without anyone coming ! This is my truth

Posted by: Tennie Jul 6 2007, 04:45 PM

A couple of thoughts here.

1. Re: Maldini - He might not have had the most spectacular individual game during the CL final, but I don't think anyone can put a value on what his presence on the pitch brings to the team. He's the captain and the symbol of Milan and he more than any of us knows when he's fit to play and when he isn't. Would it be smart to start looking around for a young CB? Sure, but it isn't an imperative.

2. Re: the summer transfer market - I think perhaps that a number of posters are a little less patient than they could be. No, Milan haven't made a bunch of big signings like Juve or Man U or Bayern. But there's plenty of time in the market yet and Milan is a team that chooses its buys carefully. They won't just pick up a good player because he's good -- he also has to fit in with the Milan family. The family atmosphere is what makes Milan unique (as R7 says) and I'd rather pass on a Zlatan or an Adriano if his presence means that the family atmosphere is disrupted. I'd rather wait until the right player for Milan is available. So I suggest we all chill and let Fester, Braida et al do their thing.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 6 2007, 04:48 PM

We knew we were playing Serie A for sure. The only doubt there was the CL. Braida and Galliani confirmed that.

I know that story better than anyone.

Posted by: dst Jul 6 2007, 04:51 PM

Inter signed Ibrahimovic on August 10. We had a place in Serie A by then... But again: Galliani admitted it himself!!! He made no excuses, he just said Inter were the highest bidders...


First of all, you need to draw the team and the management apart!! They are two completely different units even if they are connected!

1. The team won the European Cup because they had been left out of the race for the championship! And we all know why the team couldn't compete for the championship... It was not just the 8-point penalty! The management should have done better!

2. It was the team that answered all the questions and responded to the doubters including the management and including me and most of us!! Do not forget it was the same management that were going to oust Ancelotti that were praising him after the Champions League triumph!

3. You wanna know why I'm not satisfied with the management? Because, unless you believe it was all according to plan, we won the European Cup solely due to the extra-terrestrial effort of our players! Because we would have been in the final in 05/06 if the management had not left the team to sail on their own while it was clear we needed reinforcements... and because it's the same management who think the same team can win through every problem once again and hand them another title THIS TIME IN FOUR DIFFERENT COMPETITIONS! Well, big surprise, the same team cannot do it again, not as it is!!

4. I'm going to be cheering for this team 'till me very last breath and I'm always gonna be thankful to the management for what they've offered to the club but that does NOT mean I'm going to close my eyes to the problems...

And... I'm not fed up with the management yet... that's cause we still have 2 months to sign somebody! That doesn't mean we've been aggressive though... we sure have NOT been!!

Posted by: Warchant Jul 6 2007, 05:28 PM

i agree with dst

our management has not been very aggressive in this market...just as they were not aggressive last summer.

our team, and our team alone, won the CL through difficult odds...it was not because of anything that the management did.

it seems like our management has 2 or 3 favorite players that they focus all of their attention on and let all the other great players go right under their noses.

liverpool, man u, chelsea, bayern, etc. have all made significant transfers already...and all our management says is that ronaldinho, etoo, sheva, and henry are impossible signings.

we will be patient, but i don't know how patient we can be if we end another summer with a disappointing transfer market.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 6 2007, 05:45 PM

I'm sure u do And I'm glade it went the way it did



dst I agree with you as I agree with han on most of the points ... But I am drawing a line as to where the managment stand not since the beginning, but since last summer's calciopoli and this season.

First off, I am of the opinion that Milan's first XI (including R99) is the strongest around, alongside Inter , Chelsea and Barca. What they edge us in is the quality of their bench ..

Secondly .. The Milan managment is to thank for keeping this team intact throughout the season. During last summer, Milan was faced with several obstacles, of which you all have a clear idea off. Zlatan, Buffon, Zambrotta, and any transfer that was linked to Milan, even Ronaldo at the time. They only got a chance to move in the transfer market only 2 weeks before it closed, by that time the prelimenaries were about to be played. Even so, Milan did move on Gourcuff then Bonera. The latter proving very crucial over the coarse of the season. Then Oliviera whose agent couincidentaly was R10's

As the season unfolded. Inter were #1 in Serie A, there was no competition, not even Roma. Milan climbed from the bottom of the table, then was not compensated by a points deduction as La Viola, Lazio, etc .. We were the odd ducks in the championsship ever since September. It was no coincidence that we reached the CL final, not cuz we did try harder for the championship as we were struggling to get 4th place. But Milan had a heritage in the CL that streatchs with Maldini to 5 CL out of 7. Moreover, Milan were always the fortrunners to reach the last 4 of the CL, how can you disagree, they have been doing it so consistently for years now

And as the second part of the season stands .. Milan shot up the standings from 18th - 17th to 3rd place in the standings. That is when we played United. Clearly the team had alot on our hands in the championship too.

Then about this summer and how things are going. As things stand, everyone is of the opinion and thinks Milan lost out on several players (Henry, Suazo, etc.. ). Whilest I see it differently, that Milan have their own agenda and have already set targets that Henry and Suazo would be surplus too, it doesn't matter in the end cuz all we 'fans' ever look for is quality transfers (just like the Madrid fans ).

Bottom line is .. We can all go and bash Galliani and Braida and laugh it out in the end, cuz deep down we all know that the managment will always maintain Milan to be the best.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 6 2007, 06:00 PM

Guys... just relax. More than 50 days until the market close.

Posted by: dst Jul 6 2007, 06:17 PM

We agree on this!

So I guess we also agree on that 1 or 2 signings are not going to make our bench better than Inter's... and also, that in the championship, the bench is of much great importance...

In my opinion, even if we do make a couple of signing this summer we won't be able to compete with Inter. Because we should have made a couple more last season and a couple more the season before that.


I don't agree with this. It was the team's unity that kept them intact! On the contrary, the management's demand that Carletto should win the CL in order to keep his place as Milan's coach does not reflect on Milan's family image...


Gourcuff and Bonera were very good signings. Oliveira not so... and the fact that his agent is the same as R20's means nothing; that's not they proper way to snatch great players or else we would have a 50-men squad...

There were better players midfielders than Brocchi we could have signed though... and we could have gotten Oddo from the beginning!! The difference between what Lotito was demanding and what Milan was offering was just E2m... and in the end we payed that AND gave them Foggia... you call that aggressive?


Just for the record, it's 5 out of 8 for Maldini.

Of course I cannot disagree with that! We've been there for a long time now... but what was there that prevented us from going all the way? It was tiredness and low bench quality! That's the biggest reason why we lost the '05 CL final, 04/05 Scudetto, 05/06 CL Semis, 05/06 Scudetto! We lost all that in the final push... If our second-string players were of greater quality we would have reached some of those targets...


The run for 4th place was certainly not an easy one. But if we were competing for 1st place (like in the three previous seasons) we wouldn't be able to rest our key players (again, like in the three previous seasons) and we would have probably lost another target...


You're not really trying to convince me that losing out on quality players is a good thing now, are you? In my opinion, our management would prefer to have snatched either Suazo or Henry and in my opinion again, they would have certainly bought one or both of them if we had lost the Athens final and/or there weren't already 30,00 season tickets sold...


They are repeating some mistakes of the past that got us into a very unpleasant period though... and this is not fine by me!!

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 6 2007, 08:07 PM

I know his presence would bring something extra for the team, but I ask you how long should Milan depend itself on this extra weapon? all good things come to an end one day! that's a motherfvcking fact of life! Milan will have to do without Maldini sooner or later. (like they did in the second leg of the semi final against Man United and they did it well)

I just ask myself what more could Maldini ask for after winning the CL? it could be the best possible way to conclude his career that night, he could do in style, but he decided to continue. I just fear next year he won't have an opportunity as good and ideal as this year to announce retirement, I fear he can't retire in style, i fear he won't have the most spectacular and well-deserved season to do it, that's all... (which for many reasons it is a huge possibility)

I wonder does it even break anybody's heart to see our captain, our symbol, struggle in front of some sh1ty second-rate players like Pennant, Kuyt, etc? or it's just me?! isn't it disappointing to see he passes the ball the wrong way in at least 50% of times?... after all, his knees are fvcked up, they can't take the pressure anymore. he'll be sidelined every two games or so...
So we should think of a replacement for him and unlike what you say, it is imperative, in fact it is a must. maybe you've forgotten what we've been through in the middle of the season. at one point Carletto had to do without Maldini, Nesta, Kaladze and some others in defense as well! I hope we don't make the same mistake all over again next season and buy one or two good CBs.



I know you'd cut me to shreds if you could get your hands on me
Well, as far as I know, I said the truth. but for your sake I'm not gonna continue this issue.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 6 2007, 08:12 PM

one or two signings would be sufficiant .. Not enough for all 5 fronts, but sufficiant.

Inter is a different case .. This time it will be won on the field



Carlo Ancelotti was backed by the club after Istanbul. He has always had the clubs support. It is the fans who consider it otherwise, because the fans wanted him out!

When I made that remark about Oli ... I ment to say the ONLY good thing that came of him was that link



Yes there were better players .. But non would be willing to be benched ahead of Gattuso and Pirlo. Oddo ? What about Ronaldo? .. Milan are no push overs, what Lolito wanted was more than 2M. He probably wanted a player or demanded something Milan couldn't offer and that is compramise



Honestly speaking. In 04/05 we had the strongest team then. That was the strongest Milan side of this Mellenium. We had so much quality and we played Juve to the wire! We were Champions of Italy And we took Liverpool on like they were a punching bag!

What happened after that ? We still had a strongly willed team. Maybe Shevchenko lost his focus towards the end of the season, cuz he had other ideas in mind .. Nevertheless we again took Juve to the wire! A Scudetto we clearly know that Milan deserved on the pitch!



Here I do agree, we only had one target to challenge for, stil ..

Even if it was for 1st place dst and we were playing from 0 points at the start of the season ... We would still be exerting the same effort as we would to target a 1st place finish. And with that in mind, Milan would still be protogonists in the CL. As they always have been. How far could they have gone ?! I don't know, but they proved that the current calibure of the Milan players is at it's maximum.




If we had lost the Athens final .. Buffon would be our keeper and Dida would be sold. The week before the final Buffon was keeping his options open and was very sound about it .. The day after Athena, he wanted to stay with Juve

Had we lost this final. Milan would be active in a very different way in the market .. Thank God we won

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 6 2007, 08:12 PM

I think we should all take a 'Porty' approach on things, just cool it down a bit, and see what happens. Milan do not seem the sort of team that will announce anything at all, even if a bid has been placed.

The only time we hear anything is when they have signed the player, so it's official, like with Suazo.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 7 2007, 12:30 AM

Well, guys,..first time in days I`m not here around and,..hmh,..

Don`t know what to say,..it seems to me you are fighting about the question who`s to blame and who`s to praise?!

All that stuff said about the management, you guys all have right! The truth is a complex of both approaches. I must say that our board, with Silvio as chairman, had been fighting and winning the same battle over and over again. With Galliani we got a bit different, but still, not out of anything.

I think the matter that envolves us not winning the scudetto is more complcated then just a problem of not possessing a quality bench. Sure, its the real and biggest football reason. But this season was not only football! It was a Calciopoli season as well, and that means politics, politics that we might could crack on a ignoble level, but not way up to the top. Inter, the only big italian team not involved (not forgetting Roma, but..) in the scandal - and Inter winning the scudetto, well, that simply isnt just football.

I`m really not sure anyomore, I`m not sure we would have won the league even with Dinho, Etoo, Barzagli or Zambrotta on the bench (..or field). I hate conspiracy theories, and I don`t wanna start one. But maybe it was a decision of our board. Maybe it is a decision in general to stay latent in the transfer matters. I do know that the same board, with the same people was, just a few years back, able to bring us all players needed to fill out week positions. Our board wasnt that cautious in transfering players, they had their flops to - Ziege, Lehmann, Javi Moreno,...but they allways were able to make space for new players.

But the Calciopoli found us off guard - we had, and still have to deal with several problems at the same time.

And dont forget all that financial reports. I must really say, I am very proud to be able to say that I`m 100% sure our board has reason and never jumped into the trap of modern time big spenders. Soo, when their finances will start counting unbearable deficites, we will collect their players for 45% of the price they used to pay.
I am really proud Milan dont participate in that Galacticos-"lets make every year a record signing" policies or that we have a Georgii Mihaljenko as president, who is at every time (no offense, but,..) ready to spent his bloody money on new stars. I`m glad we are not bombing the tabliods with transfer summs and hights.

The only real thing I don`t understand is where the hell our scouting is?! Cause my belive is that our transfer policy is old fashioned. But why then there is no aggressive scouting, why dont we find a bunch of boys, young italians, brazilians, turks, or whaterver,..?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 7 2007, 12:39 AM

Brilliant post .. and Welcome back

Posted by: dst Jul 7 2007, 12:30 PM

For as long as He wants...


He doesn't care... He had the chance to "retire in style" before and He didn't take it... it means nothing to Him...


Struggle?? That never happened... Look, I don't want to look arrogant but if there's one thing I know about football, that's what the defenders do and how they should do it. You say Paolo was bad against ********* but that's not true... He made many wrong passes, probably 5 or 6 but His defending was outstanding!! This opinion is not biased, it's honest... Do you know why Maldini can still play at this level even at 39? He can't run like youngsters do, He can't tackle like them either... but His experience is greater than all the other defenders' experience put together! Do you understand He's defended against attackers of three different decades?? ... And you might say... "OK, so what does experience give to him?". What experience gives to Him is outstanding positioning! He's exactly where He should be... not a nanometre wider!! No one got past Him in the final... they got past Nesta though! He thinks before the attacker, He's always two steps forward... so if nobody can get past him he doesn't need to run... that's why He still goes on... that's the Godly trick of His...

And if you think I'm too passionate to admit otherwise, what about Gazzetta? They gave Him a 7.5, Nesta got a 7... Every Italian newspaper rated Him as good or better than Nesta... and that's not just out of respect...

It's not for me and you to say when He will retire... we simply don't have a say on this!


Not enough... but sufficient!!???


Yes he was backed then... but I'm talking last season... he said himself that he would probably have been replaced if he hadn't won the CL... he said it on the official website...


And you still believe it was a smart move?? 25m to meet and agent? How much would you pay to meet Jolie??

Posted by: dst Jul 7 2007, 12:31 PM

Come on... you know there are many Italians who would give head for a place under Milan's bench... let alone a place on it!


I'm sure you don't mean this! It's a wrong use of words there... it wouldn't be compromise, it would be beating cheapness!!! Do NOT reply to this, you're not really telling me we could not pay 3 or 4 million more? Is this milanfan.com or usalessandriafan.com!?? We're Milan for God's sake... if we're not willing to pay a couple millions more (and that would take his price up to... 10m?? ) it's not because we don't want to compromise, it's because we are cheap!! You can't deny that, it's ridiculous!! Berlusconi's Milan can't pay 10m?? It's farcical...


And in the end we lost... we lost it at the home stretch... that means the team could have used some help...


Come on... you can't be so stubborn!! Do you remember the team we fielded in the last match before the CL final? It was the freaking Primavera!!! Do you remember the game before that, against Catania? We were barely running... would we be able to do that if we were on the title race?? Please...


I thank God every day, for all that he's offered to Milan!!

Would Milan be a worse team if we had lost the Final?? I don't think so... do you? Then why would we make changes then and we don't do some now?... Because the San Siro is going to be full probably...


Porty is actually hell scared... he just plays it cool...


Our scouting is alright... but how can we buy a player when we are not 150% sure he's going to be the next Zidane!??

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jul 7 2007, 12:50 PM

Maldini was Man of the Match against Bayern and he didnt even make a sliding tackle

True he wasnt as effective as Nesta, but his presence alone dettered some players on that night and he has mountain loads of experience. He didnt do anything significantly wrong anyway

Posted by: dst Jul 7 2007, 12:53 PM

...

Am I biased??

Posted by: LaPalma Jul 7 2007, 01:45 PM

Well, just like Pippo I haven't been around that much recently, but I feeld like I have to give my opinion on this as well. A few months ago I alreday spoke out some things I still think http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4620

First of all I don't agree with R7s opinion on our strategy on the market. Sounds a bit like Galliani propaganda
No one can deny that we lost Suazo to Inter, and that WAS an embarassment, because Suazo prefered inter to Milan. Saying that we missed out on him for a reason is nonsense. IMO there are no more world class striker on the market. Henry is gone, Eto'o won't leave and the chances on R20 are about 10%. It seems that we could get Sheva but our board doesn't want to pay a fee...they prefer to get him on loan. Of course Chelski are refusing that...they want as much money back as possible.
And no one can deny the fact that last the market last summer wasn't a disaster. Galliani promised an equal for Sheva and we got...Oli (for freekin 15 Million Euro?!?). Gourcuff and Bonera are OK, but to be honest, neither of them really impressd me. We could have gotten a player like Zlatan but Galliani was to stupid.
AND everyone who knows a bit about football knew we had a huge gap on the RB position, but Galliani refused to pay some more money for Oddo. Then in January we had to pay more because Oddo played a brilliant season so far.

This years market isn't much better so far (but hey...we got Ba ). Why can every other team (except for Real ) sign big players for cheap money? Henry for 24 Million, Klose for 15 Million, while we think about signing Cassano? That's really embarassing. I have not given up hope, but I don't see any world class striker joining us like Galliani promised

Oh and, here's a quote of you R7 from April I assume:

Still think we'll get a replacemt for Billy? Didn't Galliani say something like "another striker and then we're fine"?

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 7 2007, 03:00 PM

@LaPalma... We brought a replacement for Billy -> Digao!

Posted by: LaPalma Jul 7 2007, 03:17 PM

Digao is not Billys replacement. He's a present for Ricky

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 7 2007, 03:27 PM

For the record, Maldini is a Milan star. I don't care if he is on crutchs, he is the first name to be on the pitch

This is what the president of Cagliari had said:

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=336765

This is why I believe we backed out instead of Suazo ditching us, though his preference was Inter.



So you want Milan to turn into Madrid .. I don't get what ur saying.



Well .. This season, the target was 4th place, whatever came extra was extra. Last season and the season before that, we all know how Juve won it. I don't have more to add on this dst .. It's like insulting ur intelligence if I have to keep going.



No. I didn't say it was a smart move. All I said was it was the "good" part of the deal, cuz he turned out to be a flop. Again, I am repeating myself

Posted by: LaPalma Jul 7 2007, 03:43 PM

Yeah...we're the nice guys

No doubt about that

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 7 2007, 03:44 PM

I know that every player on this planet would dream of playing for AC Milan. I know of one Inter player who has stated that he would like to change sides.
So I am sure there are players out there to sit our bench. But the players that people seem to want (on this forum) are players of quality. These players wont sit the bench.

And on that, do u think I am against such a thing ?! Of course I am all for it!

The thing I am making a stance is, not to be ignorant and just speak against u .. I am saying the managment has the last word on all this. And whatever they are doing, it is probably for a very good reason. Us fans are feeding off of tabloids and daily news feeds .. But we have no idea what the club is going through and what it is trying to do! So I give them the benifit of the doubt ..

One thing is certain, this club is the most decorated on the international level and is #1 in European standings. What more ..



If Berlusconi doesn't want to pay 2M he wont! If Galliani doesn't want to pay 5 cents he wont ! It is as simple as that.

Look it isn't about that .. It is totally about compramise. And if u can't see it .. Then I don't know what is going on .. Last summer Milan was negotiating for Oddo and Ronaldo .. For Ronaldo Milan weren't gonna compromise Kaka' and for Oddo Milan were having their arm bent.

Even when the actual transfer of Oddo took place .. There was still disagreement between Lazio and Milan.

Now what happened between them and the actual dialog, again, we as fans don't know sh1t. we are "told" 2M or 5M .. But what is actually going on .. We all don't have a clue.



Yeah from Moggi



Well yes, we would have done that in a title race .. Cuz it''s a champions league final



Well .. look .. had we lost that final. Many players would have gone, Dida, Broochi, etc etc .. and Berlusconi would have started reconstructing a new team.

But since we won the CL, he can't do that ! This is the team that won the CL Plus .. It's good for players like Kaka' to see how Milan takes care of it's players and rewards them

Posted by: dst Jul 7 2007, 04:13 PM

Enough=sufficient... You can't say it is the one but not the other...


Go on...

Yes we do know how Giuve won it but what does that have to do with what I'm saying??

Milan demanded that Ancelotti would bring them the 'Big Ear' or he would face the sack... That is a fact! I'm going to search and find that article from acmilan.com. You said the team had the full support of the management and I answered with this...

And now you're telling me that Milan lost those titles unfairly... The cause of the ultimatum the board delivered to Ancelotti was not even the issue here but what you said backs my words... Ancelotti was on the verge of being kicked out AND undeservedly... that is NOT what I call supporting the team!


Yeah... I'm trying to get your point here... we were talking about good transfers, not about good parts of a transfer...


You're talking to me now not to people on these forums! And I'm saying that Milan should have gotten a player that's better than Brocchi... There are players better than Brocchi and worse than Vieira I reckon... it's not just black and white, is it?


I want Milan to be competitive on all fronts... like we did back in '04/'05! We lost all targets back then but at least we were there! And as you said, we lost the one because our rival cheated!


So we agree; they don't want to pay!! I knew we would come to a decision...

Look, I love the current Milan board... they've given everything to Milan!! But that doesn't mean they don't make mistakes or that I won't point them out... they've done mistakes in the past too... BIG ones! And I wouldn't like to see history repeat itself...


No, from the bench! Our only worthy sub was Rui Costa...


I understand you did not start supporting Milan just yesterday... so don't bullsh!t me, you know Milan did NOT do this in '05...


That's not my point and... you did not answer my question; would the same team that thrashed United, be worse if they had lost the final that they are now? That's what I'm asking...

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 7 2007, 04:37 PM

I never said Maldini was BAD against Liverfool! I just said he wasn't the real Maldini, the Maldini we all know.
And I didn't question his experience, abilities and godly tricks too! who am I to question his technical abilities?! I just say he will be 40 in the upcoming season and he will not be able to play in 4 major tournaments. it is normal to have a drop of form and performing below expectations at this age (I'm sure you won't deny that).
I guess as long as he doesn't announce his retirement, Milan will not be looking for a decent CB (perhaps they will be satisfied with Digao, Bonera, Simic, etc) and that could cost us finally.


Maybe it just means something to me...



Then I'd better shut my mouth




Gazzetta's opinion doesn't have an impression on me. I have watched the final many times and I still think Nesta was our best player that night, even better than Inzaghi (in fact apart from those two goals, which one of them was a fluke, Inzaghi didn't do anything special that night).

Nesta was flawless that night. yes, he made one single mistake, but you know that it was inevitable.
[oh, by the way Kaka made many mistakes in Athens, but he was our 'most decisive' player].

Anyway it's unacceptable to say Nesta was inferior to Maldini, if Gazzetta says so...

Posted by: dst Jul 7 2007, 04:48 PM

He made some bad passes but in defence He was flawless in my view... of course He's not the young horse that used to tore the opponents' defensive structures apart but His class is still incomparable!


No, He won't... but only He will decide in which games He wants to play.


He announced He will retire next summer.


Well I have an opinion on this too but it's His decision to make...


You mean in Gerrard's () chance? Well, in any case he did made a defensive mistake while Paolo did not!

I didn't expect you to change your opinion just because some guy at Gazzetta thinks differently, I just wanted to point out that it's not just me who think Maldini was very good that night...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 7 2007, 05:02 PM

Yes Milan did loose those titles unfairly ! U have been saying it for the past year !!
The board gave an Ultimatum to Ancelotti This is a first! The board have always been in support of Carlo. It is the fans, again I repeat this, that stood against Carlo ! Carlo's main target last season was 4th place .. Galliani and Berlusconi stated it ! The champion league triumph was just to show how strong this Milan team is. While Carlo had already reached his target for this season, 4th place.



Well .. Oliviera was a sh1tty transfer, as was Gilardino This was a remark dst, not involved in the discussion .. but if we must drag him in, he is sh1t



Again .. I agree here with you .. The club could have added more to the team .. But that hasn't happened. Still, even with us not adding, we won the Champions League and reached the league target of 4th place.

It ain't black and white .. You wanted Diarra last season ! Well, where was he gonna fit ?! I'll tell you, right between Simic and Broochi on the bench.

On Simic and Broochi, these are the second string players Milan has, and they have done well coming off the bench. The problem Milan faced was injuries, more than the lack of reliable substitutes.

Ok .. So let us say Milan should have gotten 5 players last season .. Then what ?! The same outcome would have happened The league was always gonna be Inters and the two years before that always Juve ...



Milan is still as competitive as it was back then. Last season a remarkable climb back to the top 4 and a CL triumph, the two seasons prior we stretched both competitions to the maximum! We are the most consistent club in town. We Only lost to Barca last year, the then crowned champs of Europe



Well, if Milan decide not to buy at a certain price, then that is their policy It isn't football manager 06

Mistakes .. Everyone makes mistakes, George Bush makes them every day ..

Milan is an organization .. They have a balance sheet that has to be checked at the end of every season. Moreover, there are cash-flow statements, and other fiscal data that needs to be assessed too. Therefor, Milan isn't sitting on a bank account and throwing away money. Sure Silvio is a billionaire and loves Milan to shreds and has promised that he will be intervening to bring a superstar. That aside, Milan is still an organization and will be run as such.

Moreover, it has a reputation in the transfer market. Look at Chelsea, any club Chelsea goes to for a player, the club automatically pushes the price 20% higher (i.e. Essian). Now you don't want Milan to be in that situation It isn't about 2M or 5M, it is about compramise.



I resent that remark! Rui doesn't deserve the bench !! This is where we need to draw our conclusions. Youw ant a sub of Rui's quality, I wouldn't like to see a player of Rui's quality on the bench We are no Madrid, Chelsea, or Inter.



Whether I am new to Milan or not ... It is football, before a final match. You rest your key players. This isn't rocket science, it's pure logic.



Well, against United, I believe it is one of the greatest games Milan ever played. And if u know me, you would know that I rate Milan today as I would rate it 12 years ago .. I am biased from a certain stand point, and the history helps too

So with the United game being one of the greatest ... And us 'loosing the Athena final' .. the team wouldn't be worse .. It would just mean that certain players would move away. Which is perfectly healthy, had we lost.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 7 2007, 05:33 PM

@dst... we both have our opinions, but it seems to me that we are in agreement after all!
you seem to be very much passionate about Maldini, that's admirable believe me that I love him too! but since I'm so logical ( ) I accept these facts about our legend, whether I like em or not.

I wonder what all these transfer talks and Maldini talks have to do with PATO DREAM!?

Posted by: LaPalma Jul 7 2007, 05:34 PM

But that's waht Pippo does and why I love him so much. He scores without any hesitation and warning -->Superpippo

Wow, that's some nice discussion btw, really would like to say something more, but I just lack the time


I hope it's football manager '07
Honestly, of course you're right but I an only recall myself. Henry for 24 Million? That's a pretty good price IMO, AND he chose Barca over us which is worse IMO. We're not the cool ones for the players any more.

And concerning the sub situation. I think most of the people on milanfan know that we can't buy players like Riquelme, van der Vaart, Sneijder etc. as subs. But why don't we get some more promising youngsters as subs instead of oldies like Brocchi? And don't say that it has something to do with experience. It was Brocchi who caused ManU 3:2 win over us after Rino left the field.

Posted by: Panama Devil Jul 7 2007, 05:56 PM

I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL FANS THAT CONTINUE TO TRUST THE EXACT SAME TEAM WE HAVE .... I DO AS WELL AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS TEAM NO MATTER WHAT ...

BUT, THERE IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT.

PLACING ALL OUR HOPES IN ONE PLAYER (RONALDO) IS NOT RIGHT.

HE IS A PLAIN HUMAN BEING THAT CAN GET INJURED ANYTIME , ANYTIME!

IF THAT HAPPENS ... WE WILL BE IN THE SAME SITUATION WE WERE LAST LEASON..... LACK OF GOALS AND WE WILL HAVE TO RELY OUR HOPES IN KAKA

IF THIS HAPPENS I CAN REALLY ASSURE THAT KAKA WILL WANT TO LEAVE ... HE IS A STAR ALRIGHT ... BUT HE IS TOTALLY AWARE THAT HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE SHINNING IN THE SKY AND NOBODY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ENTIRE ARMY OF FANS ALL OVER THE WORLD DEPENDING ONLY ON HIM

BATMAN (A HUMAN HERO) NEEDS ROBIN .... SUPERMAN WILL NEVER EXIST

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 7 2007, 06:04 PM

You may want to press this

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 7 2007, 06:09 PM

Who's placing all their hopes on R9 anyways, last time I checked we won the CL without him.

The likes of Pirlo were reall off form due to the World Cup, this year they've had their break we'll be fine. We're not going to win the Scudetto anyways.

Posted by: dst Jul 7 2007, 06:51 PM

And?


A first?? Well, whatever I can't find Ancelotti's comments on the official site where he says that if he hadn't won the European Cup then probably he would have been sacked...

In any case, neither of us really know if he was supported or not so our opinions on this one is clearly subjective.


Exactly, not involved in the discussion. The same with Gilardino...


Exactly! We won the CL and reached 4th place despite the management's bad job... I never said anything different...


What has Diarra got to with this? We're talking about a bench player for f@ck's sake... You don't really believe I wanted Diarra for the bench...


When there are injured players, substitutes take their place... If the latter are crap... sh!t happens!!


How can you tell what would have happened?? Maybe last year Inter was excellent but the previous two years...


4th place and CL win < 2nd place (fighting till the end) and CL semis < 2nd place (losing in the penultimate day) and CL final

In terms of competitiveness that is... we're on the decline in that area in my view!

Posted by: dst Jul 7 2007, 06:51 PM

Did I say it's not their policy?? Man... your replies have all been completely irrelevant to what I'm saying!!!! Of course it's their policy, I DON'T AGREE WITH IT!!!


That means our board does mistakes too...


I never asked for anything else... I want Milan to be a healthy organization first and foremost!

I never asked for Ronaldinho though... you are the one who wants Silvio to spend 70m for him!


The compromise thing is your opinion! I have mine: If you're not willing to spend 10m on an RB who has won the World Cup when your one and only other RB is 37 years old you are cheap!!


I never said Rui deserves the bench... Nevertheless, Rui WAS a sub in both his last seasons at Milan... Your conclusions are totally delusional!


Well obviously your logic is at a level way way down... What the f@ck don't you understand: Milan reached the CL final in 05 but because Milan was also in the title race they did NOT rest any players in the championship games before the final!!!!!!!!! Anyone who was watching Milan back then can confirm that... Don't bullsh!t me about rocket science, this is something that HAS happened and you're responding as if I'm an idiot imagining all this...


I don't understand why there should be changes then since the team wouldn't be any worse but anyway... I believe it's as difficult to stay at the top as it is to reach and for that to happen there need some changes to be made! This is my opinion... let's leave it at that!

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 7 2007, 07:02 PM

WOW!

dst VS. Rossoneri7 !

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 7 2007, 08:48 PM

Gosh!!!!

I`m amazed by the way this conversation is going on..

First of all, @dst, I agree with you on most of the things, still

This calculation is wrong I fear. Winning the CL is more important and is bigger then any other place then the 1st. So: CL win is allways > then anything less of the 1st place.
And logically, we will all remember the 2007 season by winning the CL, while the 2006 will be soon forgotten. I mean, a Milan freak (like me ) maybe finds it more important to finish up 2nd in SA and reach the semis in the CL, but a normal and plain Milan supporter would choose the CL win in a second.

Beside those, (I agree) arguable agruments I stated, I really don`t think there is and apsolute and 100% sure calculation for those things.


One thing I am afraid is consisted in the brilliant question dst asked; how is the Milan that won the CL different to the Milan who`d eventually lost that same final?!
You know how? By creating an ilusion that stands on very thin legs - loosing the CL final would probably mean the exit of Pippo, Gila would be also under pressure and a bunch od other players as well. By loosing the CL we all would be terribly sorry, but at the same time our board would have been forced to challange the problems.

But that didn`t happen. So we have still faith in Pippo, we still think that our midfield is very well covered and our keeper is reliable? This is the thing that bothers me,...


You mentioned the Maldini think as well. Its a tricky question. I must put my hand on my heart and confess that sometimes, watching Maldini playing in this season I thought "my god, is he really the one I used to watch years ago?". Of course, he isn`t the one,..thats nature. But all the big and important matches he mastered very well. His experience was a compensation to his week passing and slow reactions. I`d be the happiest to see Maldini play till his 50-ties, and I also am not asked to comment wether he should retire or not. The only think I really pray for not to happen is that we catch a lousy season with miserable games, and that this season allways stays in my memories.

Its a simple thing - like Maradona - yes, possibly the greatest player of them all,..but that last matches, with his fat look, bad condition and look in general, were he wasn`t able to do anything,...those moments engraved in my memory and allways make a shadow on all the good things; like in the real life - when (I`ll give you my own example) your grandma dies after two years of suffering and living without a real conciousness - in your memory this period will be the one you recall first. It does not matter if you lived with her for 10 years and he was in perfect health. The last two,..they leave a bitter taste.

Sure, one season isn`t comparable with the two examples I used (maybe only if we would end up on a relegation place and banned out of the CL).
But in some way, ending his career by lifting the trophie would be the perfect end(eventually, that will happen after all ).

Now, I`ll ask a bold question. I`m really not sure what Maldini thinks. If he means he can make one more, complete season as captain and first team player in which he will lead the defense in all competitions,..well, then he is exactly like our board. If this is the case, in which I`m pretty sure it isn`t, we are in problems.


But we all use a egregiously philosophical approach...
Lets play it simple,..

Posted by: dst Jul 7 2007, 09:38 PM

I don't know if this is what you mean but I believe my reaction was too harsh thus I feel the need to apologize to R7...


I said I meant it in terms of competitiveness... if you're challenging for two major trophies till the very end then you're more competitive than some one else who does so only in one competition...

Of course last season was the most successful of those three as we actually won something...

For example, I think United had a clearly better season than us...


In my opinion nothing changes... I mean, anything can happen in a final, we all learned that the hard way in 2005 but that doesn't mean the team that hammered United would lose it's greatness on that instant...

I believe we need some reinforcements!! We need a young RB, a CB (do we have to wait 'till Maldini retires to test somebody? Maybe then it will be too late and we'll lose precious time!) a better replacement for Brocchi (Montolivo/Aquilani... it's not like Brocchi's experience has really helped him anyway...), a better replacement for Borriello (Pato... for the future) and a great striker (R20/Sheva)!

Even if Maldini score 10 own goals next season there's no chance we're going to remember it...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 8 2007, 12:45 AM

Keep in mind .. I have already stated that the strength of our squad was the strongest in 05. Also keep in mind that the reports in the calciopoli proved that Moggi had made life much easier for Juve to take the title(s).



Look .. I am not sure where you want this to go, but by no means don’t expect me to go down to that level


Carlo Ancelotti had taken Milan off of the hands of Fatih Terim because of poor results. He took Milan from the slumps to being the prime contenders for both the CL and Scudetto, and didn’t leave any room for rivals of any of those two championships to breath. Milan management values things like this. You can clearly see it in Costacurta, Baresi, etc .. They give back .. And one thing they give back to you that no management has ever is faith ! I don’t need proof from the site. I don’t need reconfirmation about a coach I have defended all through this season when some already started daydreaming about Mourinho and Rijkaard.

If you think otherwise .. That is your opinion.

The management of Milan has a different twist to it. We agree that they will always look for the best to keep this team the best. What we don’t seem to agree with is the method in which they conduct business. Which you have stated that you disagree with. That is ok, you seem to disagree with mostly everything I have been saying. But lets look at the manner in which they have worked for the team in the 3 past years where you claim that our strongest stage was 05 then on a decline till today.

I agree that the 05 squad was the strongest in this millennium, in terms of the quality of our bench and our first XI.

But in no time did Milan weaken from that point onwards. The management kept the team always with enough quality and depth to go for the scudetto and the CL. We might not have the same names as in 05 like Stam, Crespo, Rui, and Shevchenko .. But what we do have is a fine crop of players that get down on the field and prove to everyone that they are the real deal, European champions, and players whom I value more than R10 or any star name you would like to bring in. And definitely enough quality to be ranked #1 in Europe, when many predicted that Milan might loose even that bragging right to Barca. The ONLY reasons Milan struggled this season was injuries, lack of preparation, points deduction (plus not getting compensated later on), and calciocaos. All of which are due to matters that are out of the club's hands.

What were Barca doing ?! They had the best team in Europe, with all their acquisitions .. What off Chelsea ?! They had a HUGE quality bench, but they didn’t win the league nor the CL, and they were favorites for both. There goes your theory . Milan were not even favorites, not even before the game with United which in that time these European champions were fighting with there hands and feet for a 4th place finish .. This landmark that Milan reached last season is something that falls mainly on the management . The faith they kept in Pippo, Kaka, Dida, Nesta, and other key players proved a success (renewing contracts, showing open faith to, etc).

Milan management cheap ?! Because the 2M thing ?! Because of Favalli type players ?! Well, I am glade that Milan is cheap and at the same time remains a healthy organization.

Managements don’t just buy players for the sake of shutting everyone up .. They have other objectives to reach. Ronaldinho?! How did he get in all of this ?! His expense would be taken care off by Berlusconi. Nothing to do with the club’s management. (No I didn’t assume this, this is what has been fed to me through the media quoting him)


The Milan management (gosh I feel like I am their lawyer or something) have been active in the market during the past 3 years. And Milan are active today ..

But that isn’t satisfactory now is it ?! While Inter and Barca and Chelsea and all of the teams, that we WILL bulldoze through this year, have bought several players .. All you are waiting for is Football Italia to read that Milan had purchased Milito or something like that .. Well I don’t blame you. I too am waiting for something of that sorts .. Cuz I am a fan and I do have a desire to see a couple more players in Milan.

Still, I am of the opinion that this current crop of players that we have are the best around. Most are older than the rest, still the understanding and cohesion in this team that the management has created is remarkable. And this is one thing I value as a Rossonero. And I am convinced that Milan will reinforce itself this summer, as a great club does.

How will they deal with which players are left and all that talk that has been going on here about who should come, etc ? They have been doing it for years, it isn’t our job to out smart the experts in this field.

What this management gives to this team .. Is more than any management has given to any team. 21 years of success, taking Milan to within 2CL trophies from Madrid. I say it was a job well done.

Whether they missed Zlatan or Suazo or whoever ur agitated about .. They gave us Ronaldo whom I am really grateful for, as promised a Sheva replacement.

p.s. Obviously there is going to be transfer activity for Milan, they still have over 50 days. At least 2 new faces will come.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 8 2007, 01:11 AM

You two make both great remarks and posts, and both have clear points,...

Lets make it a tie,..

Posted by: Costacurta Jul 8 2007, 02:34 AM

There are countless customary tales regarding signing young south americans touted somewhere by someone as the new R9/R10/Kaka Pele whoever.

Not least, see Real's dimwitted and frankly typical purchase of Robinho and Julio Baptista. Big money spent, huge expectation on young players-unrealistic frankly, so much so that in their case Michael Owen, a forward of infinitely better quality considering that he scores goals (when not injured) was pushed out.

Yet lets face it. Both Baptista, lumped off to Arsenal, and Robinho, probably doing step-overs till the cows come home but failing to put the ball in the back of the net very often are failures. Money, indeed, faith, misplaced.

However, I get the impression Pato might be a bit different. He seems to be playing a huge role for a 17-yr old, and at 10 Million Pounds could be a costly gamble. But in just 3 years time, he might be worth 3 times that. And more come 23/24. And at least that is 10 Million for what could be a players entire career in theory, not the last 3 years of it. Now that sounds good value for virtually any 1st division player. In addition, Milan are hardly the club to be counting the pennies. We've just won the CL! Frankly 10 Mil should be a snip.

Personally I would therefore go for him. Set a limit of what we are willing to pay, but bid upto it.

I would also do the same with Adriano. He blatanty wants out, he has proven talent, it's just a case of harnessing it. We know Inter can't do that. But we know we have discipline in Milanello. And the promising signs from Ronaldo show that we should be able to turn Adriano into the devastating goal scoring machine anybody knows he could be.

Posted by: Costacurta Jul 8 2007, 02:39 AM

Oh, may I also lend my support to the view that Nesta was absolutely irreplaceable for us in Athens. I do not say that to do down Inzaghi in any respect whatsoever.

Just, as far too often happens, all the attention is on the goal-scorers, not goal-stoppers. Inzaghi rightly got lots of attention.
but Nesta deserves masses of praise and recognition for a display which befitted his rightful, though, increasingly less held place in the past few years, as the world's best CB. I thought he was sheer genius. I watched in awe.

Billy has a fine heir as world's best CB!!

Posted by: dst Jul 8 2007, 03:10 AM

Again: what does this have to do with what I said?


... which is not inferior to yours!


What theory? I never said that solely purchasing players will bring you titles...


That's not the picture of a healthy organization, it's a picture of a healthy president... yet, you seem to have no objection on Silvio spending 70m on Ronaldinho but you consider spending 2m more on a player we desperately needed a compromise...


Absolutely NOT!!

We just don't share the same opinion! Simple as that...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 8 2007, 03:20 AM

That I agree the team was stronger in that year .. But due to Moggi, we never stood a chance.



Nope



Well your tone seemed to show that ..



No, it has nothing to do with the organization of Milan. You brought him into the discussion. I never intended too.

And what if I was to object about the Ronaldinho-Silvio idea .. What am I gonna do about it ?! Just as much as you are gonna do about the clubs transfer policy



Finally, he gets it

p.s. .. I thought that was the reason why we broke up our engagment

Posted by: dst Jul 8 2007, 03:27 AM

So... a team CAN keep their basic XI invariable before a CL Final or not?


And you posted so many 's that for a moment there I thought you invented the wheel...


And what are you gonna do about a missed penalty kick? Nothing... you'll still be pissed about it though...

Posted by: dst Jul 8 2007, 03:30 AM

And don't bring our engagement up again... that was YOUR fault pig!

Posted by: Tennie Jul 8 2007, 03:35 AM

Really? I thought it was because R7 stole dst's framed photo of Seedorf's @ss.

Posted by: dst Jul 8 2007, 03:36 AM

Ha! I have that on a poster...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 8 2007, 03:38 AM

Not necessarily .. It depends on the situation. It depends on who you are playing against before the final. It depends on several factors. It also depends on the target(s) set by the board.



... Only found one of them .. ops like 8 of them. Still, they were misleading



Red paint

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 8 2007, 03:40 AM

She (she was the female in this relationship btw ) blew that @ss into a poster .. That sick little ...

Posted by: Bluesummers Jul 8 2007, 06:51 AM

LOLLLLL, i love how this topic is no longer related to pato but its super responsve.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 8 2007, 10:15 AM

But it is related to Pato,..you see, Pato is in the middle of all the discussion,...only that he`s of minor importance,..

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 9 2007, 08:27 AM

Back to the basic`s of,...

Posted by: HasanHasanly Jul 9 2007, 08:51 AM

wtf is going on at Via Turati? Some meaningleß news on official web, no news from papers/webbies, not even dumb rumours from tribal(!!!).
I hope that Fester and Galliani are not working hard on the pretty box that they are going to put our present in, but instead are off to buy the present.

Posted by: Warchant Jul 9 2007, 05:51 PM

exactly...back on topic

Pato has not impressed me at all in the u-20 world cup. i don't know if he's been distracted by all this european news about him, but he is definitely not living up to the hype.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 9 2007, 05:54 PM

Last time I watched he scored a double...what happened?

Posted by: MizNelson Jul 10 2007, 02:26 AM

You really think so? What if the match had turned out the same way minus only Pippo's two goals and we'd lost 1-0 (Kuyt)?

Posted by: xcube Jul 10 2007, 03:04 AM

humm pato he's good player but i think hes too expensive and need more time well if milan took him they will loan him to other team and wait till he learn how to play in Seria A then they get him back, so i think he need time right now

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 10 2007, 10:06 AM

Ur point is ?

Posted by: dst Jul 10 2007, 01:38 PM

I think she's trying to say that Dida had an excellent game in Athens so why would he be replaced if we had lost (and he still had an excellent game)?

Posted by: han2503 Jul 10 2007, 02:09 PM

Wow this page jumped so much from the last time that I checked it I thought we had bought him or something. Then I check and it's a dst vs R7 showdown.

Which was quite interesting

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 10 2007, 03:40 PM

@BMWTaylor .. Now I get it ..

Well, It was just how things were going .. Buffon wanted out, but suddenly after the final, he declared his allegance to Juve ..

Now, answering what dst explained .. I think, again, it was just how I precieved it. I mean, IMO, Dida is the best Gkeeper for us. I don't want anyone else, atm. But, had the 'team' as a whole lost that final. There was going to be a lot of changes, and part of that change was Buffon .. So, as u can see, I have nothing bad to say about Dida, cuz in my eyes he is the best

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 10 2007, 06:14 PM

^^^

Why u always got to hit on the ladies man??

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 10 2007, 06:42 PM

Just trying to keep the ship steady Capin

Posted by: Portikins Jul 11 2007, 01:13 AM

We should keep an eye at the 19th yo attacking-midfielder Renato Augusto from Flamengo. Not only Alexandre Pato.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 13 2007, 05:03 PM

Press in Italy, Brazil, Spain, half-world today say that Pato's agent was in Milano yesterday to meet Milan directors.

Milan, Inter, Chelsea and R.Madrid are the ones fighting for Alexandre.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 13 2007, 06:01 PM

Well duhh....Pato vs Anderson...I know who the folks gonna see....Pato and Ronal and Dinho (Brilliance Porty!! ) heh heh...we're gonna so outshine Man U.

Posted by: Warchant Jul 13 2007, 06:57 PM

sign him

he may not turn out to be the greatest soccer player to ever live, but he will definitely end up being a really good player.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 13 2007, 09:41 PM

Gazzetta and Corriere today. Basically saying the same I stated above: "Milan close on Pato".

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 13 2007, 10:51 PM

Good news... I want him, for whatever it costs!

Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 14 2007, 06:56 AM

Yeah Pato is a definite yes in my book. With an environment like Milan he will become another Kaka.

Posted by: Warchant Jul 14 2007, 07:10 AM

good to hear!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 14 2007, 10:33 PM

Leonardo, our director, saying a lot of good things about Alexandre Pato:

"He's only 17 and only played 1 season in the brazillian first division.
"But he's already a great prospect. He already got his space in Internacional de Porto Alegre and in Under-21 Brazil NT
"With tecnique (doesn't miss anything on that field), plays with right or left foot, heading, knows how to move in the pitch and it's fast.
"He could be a striker in Italy although he can play as second-striker too."

I really hope Pato comes to Milanello. He's really young and improving with his idols: Kaka', Ronaldo, plus all the Brazillian/Italian core would help him a lot. He won't have language problems in Milanello too.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 15 2007, 01:52 AM

With all the attacking players we've been linked with, he now looks most likely to join. Which is a very good thing! I'm just hopefull we do what we can to sign him, and don't just give up at the first sign of difficulty.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 15 2007, 02:28 AM

Same here.

Born in 89 you don't have many world's top youngsters:

-Alex Pato from Brazil
-Gio dos Santos, from Barcelona
-Carlos Vela (Arsenal) from Mexico too
-Adu from the USA, maybe?

But again, Pato isn't even in Europe and already known as the hottest prospect in South America at his age. OK, he beat Pelé's record scoring a goal in a FIFA competition at the age of 17... but still.

I really hope he signs, altough we're facing Chelsea, Inter and R.Madrid competition.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 15 2007, 02:32 AM

Me too,...

But, we don`t need a player born in 89, speaking in general.

I`d be happy with a 27 or 29 year old one,..

Posted by: Portikins Jul 15 2007, 02:37 AM

I know it's still a kid but hey, Milanello and this club could give him what he needs to be one of the greatest soon.

He won't be THE SS we're looking in the market for sure. Just like Kaka' when we bought him. It's not "TO PUT IN THE TEAM IMMEDIATLY" like if we're buying a Ronaldinho or Eto'o. It's to grow and mature in the club and he'll get his chance sooner or later.

Again: he's not the world's best player. He's the hottest prospect in the world, at his age.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 15 2007, 07:28 AM

I agree with Porty here.

Barca are sitting on a volcano of talent with Messi and Dos Santos.

We have Kaka and Gourcuff.

I still want that striker people are gonna watch out for. And a full back. How I wish Grimi will be like the next Carlos or something.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 15 2007, 02:30 PM

I can say the transfer window's biggest disappointment for me could be Pato going to Chelsea, Inter, R.Madrid, etc. I want him in Milan... that's all I want!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 15 2007, 03:16 PM

So, even Mancini expects a world-class player coming to Milan...

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 15 2007, 04:20 PM

"we were the first club to be interested in Pato"... "we were the first club to be interested in Eto'o"... "we were the first club to be interested in Suazo" blah blah blah!

They're probably gonna come out and say they were the first club to be interested in Kaka!

What are they trying to prove? it's not a matter of being the first club to be interested in a player, but it's a matter of signing that certain player at last.

I hope we will have the last laugh at Inter by signing Pato, Eto'o/R10 and even Chivu!!

Posted by: armisse Jul 15 2007, 05:38 PM

they were those who found Pele at first
they were those who found Maradona at first
they were those who found van basten at first
they were those who found Gulit at first
they are everything



they had so many times but they dont get it

Posted by: Darunia Jul 15 2007, 05:40 PM

Okay.. let's assume we do sign Pato. We still need a 4th striker for the first half of the year.. any ideas?

Posted by: Tennie Jul 15 2007, 05:47 PM

Willy!

Posted by: KillerMax Jul 15 2007, 05:47 PM

Ba.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 15 2007, 05:53 PM

what tennie says Willy. Or we can play Favalli. He was more effective than Oli in scoring wasn't he??

Posted by: misha Jul 15 2007, 06:00 PM

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 15 2007, 06:09 PM

I know I'll be having the last laugh

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 15 2007, 06:15 PM

I'll keep laughing till we win the double...

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jul 15 2007, 06:18 PM

Under no circumstances can we loose Pato to Inter, we must get him

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 15 2007, 06:18 PM

Yes, that definitely is the vodka talking

Posted by: Portikins Jul 15 2007, 06:30 PM

Moratti can pull "a Suazo" or "a Chivu" paying 3 or 4M/euros NOT TO the player or the club BUT to his agent...

I won't be surprised.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 15 2007, 06:44 PM

*hic*

The merda and his men stole the Duck from his bed,
And bound him in his bones....

The game be ours and by the powers
Where we will we roam

Yo ho play together...hoist the colours high
Heave ho gods and devils.....never shall we die....



*passes out*



G'nite ladies...arrivederci

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jul 15 2007, 08:46 PM

Moratti is as corrupt and shady as the next guy is, but he just hasnt been caught yet

Moggi was doing questionable things all the time but only recently got caught

Posted by: armisse Jul 16 2007, 10:45 AM

What happened ? Milan give up on Pato ?

source : papers in italy

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 16 2007, 11:38 AM

I wouldn't take the paper's a reliable source ... They might give u the BIG picture, but whether we sign him or not, or if we lost out on him or not, I would rather wait for a more detailed report .. Rather than go for a paper's headline, plus it's Corriere so ..

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 16 2007, 11:49 AM

VERY VERY GOOD NEWS IT SEEMS! Galliani has said something about Pato:

"mentre Pato è un progetto di campione, ma per noi vale gli altri quattro"

And what does that mean?! I put it in the google translator and the result was this:

"While Pato is a champion plan, but for we he is worth the other four (Eto'o, R10, Sheva, Drogba)"

Baldy's changing his mind about Pato I guess...

Posted by: Il Capitano Jul 16 2007, 02:02 PM

This is what Galliani said in an interview with La Gazzetta dello Sport.

"one forward without EU passport will arrive, it is true that we are after a champion. One of these players may come (Drogba, Ronaldinho, Pato, Eto’o eller Shevchenko). But he also says that there is a sixth choice and he will not give away his name, even if he was under torture"

Thats what I understood.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 16 2007, 07:37 PM

Carlo Pellegatti, a well-known milanista who works for MediaSet (Berluconi coff coff) Studio Sport said today that Pato is a done deal.

I dunno if he's saying the true or not... or someone told him to say that words.

He works in MilanChannel too.

We'll see.

Posted by: dst Jul 16 2007, 08:00 PM

Let's see... I have faith in that kid!

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 16 2007, 10:36 PM

do you have the link of it?

...

God... I want Pato so bad, I don't know why but I prefer him to Sheva, Drogba and Eto'o. for me, only Ronaldinho have the edge over Pato!!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 16 2007, 11:24 PM

Eto'o is gut too.

But I'd take Pato over the 30's Drogba and Shevchenko.

Posted by: sansiro1708 Jul 16 2007, 11:52 PM

for me pato has been my first choice for a llllllllonnnng time

Posted by: Portikins Jul 17 2007, 12:12 AM

Well, Pato is not my first choice but still one of the top:

1. Lonal-di-nio.
2. David Villa
3. Eto'o
4. Tévez
5. Pato

But as #2 and #4 seem to be out of question... Pato is the podium.











My top 5 is top... TOP, isn't it?

Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 17 2007, 03:58 AM

The only way I see Eto'o coming is maybe in January. In the next half season if there is some bust up with the Barcelona team and Henry and Messi as primary choices, he will leave. The question is will we put up the money for him. Chelsea and others want him as well.

Ronaldinho or Eto'o out of the list would be primary but Pato is more long term. I would buy both these players but tell this to cheap skate Milan.

Posted by: Il Capitano Jul 17 2007, 10:21 AM

LOL

Tevez looks crazy in that pic.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 17 2007, 02:57 PM

I would definately trust Pellagati, he also said this about R9 and Oddo during January.

And with the Leonardo connection I definately see Pato coming our way more then anyone else from that so called list

Posted by: Tennie Jul 17 2007, 03:01 PM

Interesting tidbit in the Italian press. I'd take it with a grain of salt. Not entirely sure how reliable this is.

[Berlusconi's entourage is sure that the competition for Pato can be considered won. As reported by 'TgSetteSport' (ie, Berlusconi media), the good offices of Leonardo have convinced the 17 year old striker to prefer Milan to Chelsea.]

L'entourage di Silvio Berlusconi è certo che la corsa al nuovo talento brasiliano Pato (18) sia da considerarsi vinta. Così come riporta "TgSetteSport", in onda su "SetteGold", i buoni uffici di Leonardo hanno convinto il diciassettenne attaccante a preferire il Milan al Chelsea. Pato potrà comunque arrivare a Milano non prima della riapertura delle liste a gennaio, visto che soltanto nel mese di settembre diverrà maggiorenne.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=67855

Posted by: dst Jul 17 2007, 03:10 PM

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 17 2007, 03:20 PM

Congratulations guys. it seems we have won the race for Pato!

just go on and read Tassotti's words on acmilan.com and you'll know what I mean.



"On the transfer campaign and the eventual arrival, in January, of Pato: "From next season we will have Ronaldo available in full regime which is not to be underestimated. Ronaldo will play in the Champions League and for the first time in years he will do a full preparation. Ronaldo has had many days of rest, we have seen it, also on newspapers, that he is already at work. I think a new striker will come, and if it will be Pato and he comes in January, then I think we might do with the strikers we have now." To what point is Pato a promise and to what degree is it a risk considering his young age? "He's not a player who's done and ready, a player who we already know all about. Right now his evaluation is one thing, in a few years, when his level will be clearer, it could no longer be the right time to buy him: there is always some risk in buying a player who is still a minor. But it's a risk that may be worth taking as Pato is a quality player"



It's not 100% official, but I'm sure it's a done deal.
GOD! I feel like I'm in heaven.... it could be the best signing since Kaka.

Posted by: dst Jul 17 2007, 03:49 PM

So, if we get Pato we won't sign anybody else!??

That means... we won't make a single transfer for next season...

Posted by: sansiro1708 Jul 17 2007, 04:03 PM

u guys im getting emotional i was the first one to even post something about pato .....and my dream comes true pato tieni il cuore rossonero ... YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!! dream come true ....hes going to be a superstar. wait A MILAN SUPERSTAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i really want to hug leonardo right now

Posted by: misha Jul 17 2007, 04:04 PM

Exactly. I'm of course pro signing Pato, but we still need another forward.

He will come in January and need time to adapt to the tough league, to the requirement of a team like Milan and to compete with experienced players. He's not the player who will bring the immediate impact to the team. He's for the years to come.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 17 2007, 04:25 PM

It seems as though Leonardo has done more than assessing the player. He convinced the player to sign for Milan.

But Pato won't be an instant success .. Some ppl are of the opinion, that he would be a first team player .. I would think more of the lines of loaning him out Cuz, Kaka and Gourcuff couldn't handle the pressure of playing for Milan when they first got here. So ..

Well, it isn't for me to decide, but I am definitely happy for us to have the upper hand

Posted by: Portikins Jul 17 2007, 04:33 PM

Guys, let's calm down. It's not official yet.

Posted by: KillerMax Jul 17 2007, 04:34 PM

Even Suazo was official and we all know how that turned out...

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 17 2007, 04:37 PM

No. we'll probably buy another striker (though Tassotti said otherwise), Pato is in the future's plan, starting from second half of the season.

We could go after Milito... he's not that expensive, he's at the ideal age for joining Milan (28), he's had a very good season at Zaragoza.
we could release him once we had Pato ready to be a "regular starter", which I think may long at least till the start of the 2009/2010 season.
maybe we had some plans for Milito when we loaned Oliveira to Zaragoza? (couldn't he be that 6th option??)

Posted by: KillerMax Jul 17 2007, 04:41 PM

Really, EVERYTHING could be...

Posted by: Portikins Jul 17 2007, 04:43 PM

Diego Milito has already the Italian passport and Galliani said:

"If someone comes, it will be a non-EU citizen. Or anyway someone who has this status at the moment and will perhaps be a EU citizen by 31 August."

That leaves for only 2: Ronaldinho and Eto'o that Barcelona is working on their EU passport. Laporta, Barcelona president confirmed that today.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 17 2007, 04:56 PM

So R10, doesn't have an EU passport ?

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 17 2007, 05:03 PM

R10 is a spanish citizen, everybody knows that. does that differ from EU passport?

Posted by: nmcg Jul 17 2007, 09:02 PM

can someone get clip of pato playing

Posted by: Portikins Jul 17 2007, 09:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jvZXORUrwI

He'll be 18 years old next September. Amazing isn't it?

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 17 2007, 10:50 PM

More coloured boots than jellybabies, needless flicks, skills all over the place and some of you guys complain about C.Ronaldo jeez

He could be good but this guy will get killed in the Serie A at the moment.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 17 2007, 11:27 PM

Check http://www.zshare.net/video/991609c2668e/ out, it's cool. you can download it and watch it over and over again

Posted by: Portikins Jul 17 2007, 11:43 PM

C.Ronaldo is much more tricky-pony than Pato. You can't even compare ffs.

Ronaldo is an arrogant b_stard. A cnut. That's why he's a hero in ManUtd. Just look at their book: Cantona, Scholes, Keane... all soab's. Exactly why they love him... until he joins Madrid in some years. Then he'll be another "cheater/portuguese/diver/traitor".

And get killed in Serie A? For some reason we want him now/December. Milanello will give him everything he needs to learn in European soccer.

*******************************************

Alexandre Pato is a pure talent and only 17, for god sake.

Have you guys noticed the tecnique this kid has? OK, he's brazillian... but compare him to the great majority of the big players out there [let alone Ronaldinho]. It's unbelievable.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 17 2007, 11:57 PM

BTW, in SKY Italia... they're saying Pato is a done deal. Talking like he's already a Milan player.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 17 2007, 11:58 PM

Oh he's 17 wow! footballers are getting younger and coming on the seen far more frequently nowadays at this age it's almost becoming the norm 17/18 you're in or at least challenging a first team if you're any good...

Yeah everything he needs to learn, meaning we will loan him out for a number of seasons and he will just be one of those players that fades away slowly. Sorry to be critical but this happens so much all these promising players turn slowly into nothing.

It's not really a gripe at this Pato kid more at these kind of transfers...

Posted by: Portikins Jul 18 2007, 12:04 AM

Please, do you think he'll do "a Grimi"? Pato is not a Braida-excuse for a bad Summer market.

Alexandre, if we buy him, must stay in Milanello and inside the club. No loans.
For some reason Barcelona didn't loan Messi, Bojan Krkic or Gio dos Santos...

Oh and Galliani said he considers Pato a champion just like Drogba, Shevchenko, Eto'o or Ronaldinho. Not "a Grimi" or anything. We're talking about the best young gun in South-America. Just that.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 18 2007, 12:04 AM

Leonardo has seen something in him so he must be good

I agree with your point though!

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 18 2007, 12:16 AM

Exactly, I'm tired of all of these players going out on loan and never being given the chance we could have let the next Maldini or Kaka go I know not likely but you never know with the chance.

Well if he's anywhere near as good as Mr Lionel Messi I won't be complaining!


Haha, I guess.

Off-Topic: Bristol eh? I'm going to UWE Uni in September if you know it and living in the centre as of September, place any good?!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 18 2007, 12:21 AM

From 89 there are 3 young stars from South America:

1. Alexandre Pato (Brazil - Internacional BR)
2. Gio dos Santos (Mexico - Barcelona ES)
3. Carlos Vela (Mexico - Arsenal UK)

That said... how can Pato be a Grimi... a player that nobody knew about and that his ex-club fans and forums were laughing at the transfer.

For Pato it's just Chelsea, R.Madrid, Inter and Milan fighting for him. Just these 4.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 18 2007, 11:10 AM

You're completely wrong my friend!

First of all, he's not another Grimi, I can assure you. nobody in Europe even knew who the hell was Grimi! but Pato... just look at the long list of these heavy weight clubs that are fighting for his signature: Milan, Inter, Chelsea, Arsenal, Real, Juventus and on and on it goes... Grimi looked like a big joke from the very first day.

Secondly, I really doubt that he'll be loaned out. he MUST grow up in Milan. not even in Primavera. I know he won't get much playing time in his first season, but here with Kaka and especially Ronaldo, he'll learn and get matured faster than any other club in the world. the board surely knows this.

And thirdly, he's just 17 but he's as almost famous as Messi!! OK, I'm exaggerating a little bit, but believe me he's a big star right now! Nobody knew Messi this well when he was 17. I think he'll be Messi's greatest rival in the future.

Like Tassotti said, he doesn't lack anything. incredible technique, powerful shots, heads the ball very well and most of all, as a striker, he's always at the right place and the right time, just like Ronaldo!

Do you have any question?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 18 2007, 12:24 PM

He has yet to prove himself ont he big stage.

Sure, all those clips that u see on youtube (or downloaded..) are great and they show you his great tricks and what not ... But, can he handle the pressure of playing for AC Milan ?!

And on that note .. I have been watching football for sometime now, do u know how many players that where tauted to be the next Maradona, Pele, etc etc .. And they failed to meet that status.

Look at his body .. Compare it to Kaka' .. You clearly see a difference, Kaka's body can handle the pressure of Serie A calcio, but his thin physique wont stand a chance against even the mid table team's defenses ... He needs a lot of preparation to get ready for a team like Milan, let alone, how you are making him look like the new superstar of football.

I am not disagreeing with you that he has talent, but I am drawing a line as to don't expect too much from him in the next 2 years. He still has sometime to learn and get ready for the European competitions. Then, 2 years from now, then you could assess if he is the next superstar or an average over hyped player

Posted by: Portikins Jul 18 2007, 12:33 PM

Internacional de Porto Alegre is one of the biggest teams in Brazil.

At 17 he already won the FIFA Club World Club playing against likes of Puyol, Marquez, Zambrotta last December.
At 17 he's already a first 11 player in the Brazil NT. I don't think he'll have some kind of "pressure" problem.

Some of you guys... honestly, I do not understand. We're interested in the best young player in the world (1989) and some of you guys seems like "Eh... another Grimi".

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 18 2007, 12:47 PM

Don't get me wrong !!

He has potential and is a very intelligent young player. But so was Kaka' and Gourcuff before they came to Milan. You will see what I mean when he comes ...

He still needs time and as I said before, if Leonardo aproves of him, then there is little for us to contradict a brilliant scout such as Leonardo !

But whether Pato would be effective for us, that is still a question. And I wouldn't want to answer that question till he breaks into the first team. Which IMO, he still needs 2 years to show if he is capable of handling the pressure.

Playing in South America, Porty, isn't exactly like Serie A and the CL ... Cuz for European competitions you need the physique and the right mental approach ..

You know what I am talking about ... I'm not saying he is no good, I am saying, you are giving him too much credit, when he is just 17 yrs old

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 18 2007, 01:07 PM

I've never once said that.

I just think you can't put all your hopes on one kid, Arsenal bought Walcott who was meant to be an amazing talent, now look at him...

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 18 2007, 01:17 PM

@R7... I know what you mean. I'm not expecting an immediate impact from him either. but a lot of football experts have followed him over past two years and I'm sure they know better than me and you when they say how good could he be. otherwise they wouldn't label him as Brazil's greatest talent of the future

It's not like that. Messi had a very weak body and yet he's at this level because he has incredible technique. I know he has improved a lot since two years ago, but he still doesn't have a spectacular physique.

The same goes for Pato. he has a far better condition right now than what Messi had in two years ago. Messi is 1.70 cm tall while Pato is 1.80 and could still grow tall since he's just 17. so I really doubt Pato could suffer from physical weakness.

Anyway, I agree he may struggle with mental problems, but that's completely normal for a 17, or 18 year old and nothing that couldn't be improved or fixed. I'm saying playing with Ronaldo and Kaka will give him the confidence he needs to fit into the team. and I'm sure he'll handle it very well, not from the very first game, but sooner than you think. like Tassotti said, it's a risk, but worth taking.

Posted by: dst Jul 18 2007, 01:41 PM

It's still not the same... the Brazilian league is full of youngsters! They get many chances... the only player I can recall that was given a chance in any of Europe's big teams in the past years is Messi...

And Serie A is not Joga Bonito; if you do the tricks he does they don't applause you, they kick you down!!

In my view it's not his physical strength that needs to be improved (I'm not saying he's ready but I don't think he's weak either...) but his game! He needs to mature... his play is tactically non-existent... Messi and Kaká were extremely tactically aware compared to most South Americans when they were introduced to European football... Gourcuff is a machine; he always run likes crazy to stand where he's told to, to overlap,...

But Alexander the Duck (... Earth met the Great, now it's time to meet a new one! ) is surely a great talent and there's not better place than Milanello for him to mature! I hope he comes (but not if he is going to be our only transfer)!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 18 2007, 01:53 PM

Great post

I agree, with many of ur points there .. But, Messi isn't exactly a player that might succeed in Serie A. He has a weak physique ..

What I ment was, look at Kaka' when he first arrived at Milan. The slightest of touchs would bring him down. Look at him now, he can take on 3 defenders in Serie A. This kind of revolution, by the help of Milan Lab, took 2 years.

Pato, is somewhat the same as Kaka' at the beginning. There is no question Milanlab have the experience to transform Pato into a powerful player. But, as I said above, this takes time.

Another issue is his level of experience and as dst said, tactical awarness (mental ability) that he needs for Serie A and CL. Cuz, Joga Bonito can be implemented in La Liga (Messi) and Brazil (Pato) more effectively than in Serie A or CL. Cuz these two competitions tend to play a closed game, where you rarely find space to do all your tricks. And in that sense, he would need at least 1 or 2 years till he gets the big picture and is ready for such competitions.

But no doubt, he shows the potential and I would rather Milan sign him than anyone else.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 18 2007, 02:06 PM

Walcott is from 89 too. 18 yo. He'll have his chances in L'Arsenal. There's no rush. He's a big talent - I think everyone can see that.

Messi is 20 btw. Who was he at 18? A good player in the Argentina U-20 NT and in Barcelona Primavera. Nothing more.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 18 2007, 02:49 PM

Good points

Well, nobody expects from Pato to come and produce like Kaka. of course it takes time to adapt, but I see no reason for him to fail in doing that. we sometimes forget he's just 17. he'll have plenty of time to adapt to Serie, gain experience and improve a little bit form physical point of view. I expect in a two-year time he'll be ready. and I expect him to be a star for our team in the next 15 years!!

Is he coming for sure after all? or we are just kidding ourselves with Pato dreams?!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 18 2007, 02:51 PM

IMO, Pato is a done deal for Milan. I mean, if Leonardo convinced Kaka', then I believe the same for Pato

Posted by: fresh_prince7 Jul 18 2007, 04:13 PM

I also rekon the deal is done, but I want to just see it done to know the talent is coming to milanello. We definitely have to keep him in the squad, cause has to develop under the wings of the greats ar milan. I think thats the best chance of him developing quickly, and also bringing him off the bench in games for 10-15 minutes. You never know he may just adapt naturally as kaka' pretty much did.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 18 2007, 09:19 PM

Yeah I've read around a bit and it's being said by a lot of people, hmm I just hope he's good then

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 18 2007, 09:46 PM

Me too

Anyway, we have to wait about six months. personally speaking, it's a very long wait...

I hope they confirm the deal one of these days at least....

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jul 18 2007, 10:16 PM

If Leonardo has recomended him then i am definately in support of his move

Posted by: Portikins Jul 18 2007, 11:41 PM

I think he could come now. We just have to give his father/mother a job in Milano or so.
FCPorto did that when they bought Anderson (now in Manchester United).

But I believe, IF we sign him, Milan will let him stay until December in Brazil.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 19 2007, 01:00 AM

And that would be for everyone the best solution:

-we all agree that we cant expect a immediate impact from Pato
-he will have more "practice time"
-and most important, that would force our board to make another signing..

Posted by: fresh_prince7 Jul 19 2007, 06:30 AM

Will the transfer be made official during this transfer period or will they come upon some sort of formal agreement and make it official in january..

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 19 2007, 12:29 PM

I hope they make it official within the next forty days...

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 19 2007, 12:59 PM

I live on the outskirts of Bristol in a little village. There is quite a bit of nightlife in Bristol and there has been a major regeneration including changing the centre, so once it's a complete it should look good. Your best bet though is to trawl Whiteladies road in Clifton as that is where most students hang out. PM me if you need any info

Back to topic:

I really hope we can get Pato as he seems a very promising player + I trust Leonardo's judgement

Posted by: Portikins Jul 19 2007, 02:44 PM

OK. Pato doesn't stop.

Arrive in Brazil after the U-20 World Cup and already scoring.
Internacional 3-0 Corinthians. He scored 2.

Watch the goals here: http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,MUL72691-4276,00.html

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 19 2007, 03:17 PM

I must say I've never seen anyone that good at his age before. BUT I won't get excited about somebody who has no experience or haven't proved themself in Europe. From South America to Europe is a HUGE step up, but he has time to make that step.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 19 2007, 03:58 PM

Il Messagero link him with Inter, again.

http://www.ilmessaggero.it/view.php?data=20070719&ediz=01_NAZIONALE&npag=30&file=A_818.xml&type=STANDARD

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 19 2007, 04:08 PM

I fear Inter do a Suazo to us again... what if Pato end up at Inter after all?

Posted by: sansiro1708 Jul 19 2007, 04:19 PM

^^dont u say that boy

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 19 2007, 04:35 PM

hey, I want Pato in Milan as much as you do! but I can't help thinking about it! I fear they have the last laugh over us once again.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 19 2007, 04:52 PM

He'll be a Inter player by then.

Ibrahimovic, Suazo and now Pato? It would be a shame for our board.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 19 2007, 06:03 PM

@Porty

Maybe I'll support Inter in that case!!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 19 2007, 06:08 PM

My favourite football-player wears the Nerazzurri shirt, and almost sign for us last season. He scored more than once against Milan this season.

You don't know how it hurts.

Posted by: redbabies Jul 19 2007, 06:26 PM

WOW!

They say: Great players try to take the best of the opposition mistakes. Thats what he did in his second goal

Posted by: Warchant Jul 19 2007, 09:02 PM

crespo?

if so...i also fill your pain

Posted by: sansiro1708 Jul 19 2007, 09:07 PM

dont worry about ibra ...i like him a lot too.
but pato IS GOING T BE OUR favorite player no doubt everybody in this forum are going to luv him

Posted by: Portikins Jul 19 2007, 09:14 PM

Crespo? Nop. I meant... one of the best in the world:

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 19 2007, 09:33 PM

I think he picked the wrong picture, he obviously meant Teh Matrix.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 19 2007, 11:01 PM

Well... I think Zlatan is not those type of players who stay faithful to the Nerrazuri. he will leave Inter in two or three years time. I'm kinda sure of it.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 20 2007, 12:31 AM

Either him or Adriano to Madrid ..

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 20 2007, 12:34 PM

There is a possibilty we could get Adriano...

Posted by: Portikins Jul 20 2007, 12:57 PM

Nop. Moratti won't let him. That's just media talk.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 20 2007, 02:23 PM

Don Silvio said he wanted Adriano, and TBH a fit and fired up Adriano, along with R99 and kaka would make an awesome front line

Posted by: Portikins Jul 20 2007, 02:58 PM

We'd get Eto'o or Ronaldinho first than Adriano...

Don Silvio #1 priority is 10R. Always was for the past 2 years and we all know that.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 20 2007, 03:02 PM

And we'll get R10 first...

But should Adriano try to force a move

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 20 2007, 07:33 PM

U never know ..

He wasn't enjoying himself with Inter last season, u cant blame him too much competition.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 20 2007, 07:38 PM

If you were a Brazilian would you enjoy playing in a team full of Argies?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 20 2007, 08:00 PM

Of course ! NOT !

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jul 20 2007, 08:26 PM

Pato wont be going anywhere till January, so perhaps Ancelotti may use the xmas tree formation dependant on midfielders being fit with Kaka as the second striker.

Alternatively it will be Inzaghi or Gila partnering Ronaldo with the usual 4-3-1-2

Posted by: han2503 Jul 20 2007, 11:02 PM

Don't think so.

We have Ronaldo who will be able to play in all competitions and will be 100% ready for the season's start.

But we really need to sign someone, we can't waite for Pato until January because of all the competitions we have. The squad we have will be stretched too thin by that time, and we should also consider the fact that it will take time for Pato to adjust.

He can't be our only solution, that is if we really bought him

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 20 2007, 11:06 PM

If we sign Pato after all... nothing is certain yet.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 21 2007, 12:43 AM

Yeah... do not forget Moratti's and his centenary-super-transfer...

I won't be surprised if it was Pato.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 21 2007, 01:36 AM

Riquelme

That's the best he could do.

Posted by: rhy_A4 Jul 21 2007, 02:03 AM

probably unless he buys Palacio for 30 mil then his Argentine contingent will be happy more muscle for fights against Valencia.....haha stupid inter

Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 21 2007, 06:11 AM

Riquelmes solid.

He led Boca to the championship. Took Villareal deep in the CL a season ago. Showed quality in Copa America.

I think he would be a big transfer for Inter.

Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 21 2007, 06:14 AM

Its sad we can't make this happen with a Drogba or a Eto'o up there. Adriano would work but Inter won't give him to us we would make him a top player again and why would Moratti want that. For Adriano its a challenge to prove himself but I call it career suicide being there.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 21 2007, 01:41 PM

Pato talking:

"I know the interest from Chelsea, Milan, Inter and Real Madrid.
"I haven't decided anything yet. I'll talk with my family to see what's best for me."

Far... far away from a done deal.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 21 2007, 02:34 PM

Yes, it seems Merda and Chelski and even Madrid have as much chance of signing him as we do.

I'll choke Baldy with my bare hands if we don't even sign Pato! I thought it was already a done deal for us...

Seriously, what the hell is going on?! it really seems that our management are on holiday...

Posted by: misha Jul 21 2007, 04:33 PM

It's depends on what more important to him. Playing in a team full Brazilians next to his idols where he can progress (Milan), or more money (all the rest).

Posted by: Portikins Jul 24 2007, 01:31 PM

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/1019828.htmlhttp://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/1019828.html

From Marca, Madrid's paper quoting Pato's agent: "Relax, he only wants Real Madrid."

I dunno if this is true or not though...

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 24 2007, 01:47 PM

Usual marca bs

Have they put him in the squad list for the coming season yet?

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 24 2007, 03:56 PM

Yeah! it's usual Marca/AS bullsh1t. nobody will believe it!

Anyway, he must be stupid to choose Madrdid over Milan when Madrid have Nistelrooy/Robinho/Soldado/Higuain/Raul/Saviola (and add Cassano to that if you wanted!)

And Milan have... Ronaldo/Inzaghi/Gilardino

The Choice is all his, I'm sure he will make a wise decision!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 24 2007, 04:25 PM

I think he knows he won't play many matches in the next 2 years or so if he comes to Europe. No mather the team.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 24 2007, 05:48 PM

What do you really expect from marca or AS?

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 24 2007, 05:57 PM

We beat Marca/AS in rumors they made for Kaka... maybe they want revenge!?

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 24 2007, 06:13 PM

Of course he won't get a lot of playing time, he's 17 for God's sake! but I'm confident he will play more and will find it easier to adapt in Milan than in Madrid, because Madrid have 6 strikers, twice as we have. and pretty decent ones indeed. Saviola, Nistelrooy, Robinho and Raul are enough to push Pato to the stands.

Just look what Higuain has become in Madrid: a pretty ordinary striker. I don't want Pato to go to the same direction as Higuain and Gago did.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 24 2007, 06:15 PM

Gago will be a first 11 player along with Diarra in the midfield for sure. Higuaín is still 20. He has time and talent. He can play as right-winger too.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 24 2007, 06:20 PM

I didn't see anything that special from Higuain last season...
Gago is good and will be better, but didn't worth 20 million euro (!?). by the way he's the only Argentine that I like.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 24 2007, 06:26 PM

Higuain? Check out the match vs. Espanyol, against Recreativo, against Mallorca, against Atletico... he was always there to score or assist. Very important signing for Real Madrid.

I always liked Gago. Milan tried him but Braida got the answer "He only wants Madrid."

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 24 2007, 07:09 PM

Well, maybe you're right about Higuain. but I just didn't see anything worth 13 million euro from him!

As for Pato, I hope we don't get into another "only Madrid" situation this time... because I consider Gago's transfer to Madrid a loss for us.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 24 2007, 07:34 PM

Gago to Madrid, Lucas Leiva to Liverpool, Ibrahimovic to Inter, Suazo to Inter, Abidal to Barcelona... big list for the last 12 months.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 24 2007, 08:30 PM

I believe Leonardo has worked his magic with Pato - after all who coud refuse an offer from Leonardo

I also think that if Milan do buy Pato they will leave him in Brazil for the time being, he can't come til january anyway.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 24 2007, 08:32 PM

Biggest loss IMO was Diarra to circus madrid.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 24 2007, 09:06 PM

He can come right now. Milan just have to get a job to his father/mother in Milano. FCPorto did that when they bought Anderson (now ManUtd) when he was 17.


Diarra was never a Milan target. Just rumours, nothing serious from any director or agent. [Not the same on Ibrahimovic, Gago...]

It was a Madrid/United target but I think everybody knew he would end up in Madrid. He said from the 1st minute he'd only accept that. Too bad. For me M.Diarra is the best defensive midfielder in the world. Very important player for the Spanish Champions.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 24 2007, 09:12 PM

Braida and Galliani both went to watch Diarra a few times, but like you say, he wanted madrid(the fool )

And about Pato, I'm not sure about the rules but I heard he woudn't be allowed to leave unti he was 18. But I suppose if his family moved then he would be able to as well.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 24 2007, 09:34 PM

Yeah as Porty says I think the parent has to have a job confirmed and that will help so much with the application.

Milan's backroom staff should find something for them to do!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 24 2007, 09:42 PM

FCPorto "gave" Anderson mother the job to work on a restaurant. The problem is that nobody in that restaurant has ever seen Anderson's mother.

Now, the case is on courts I believe. But nothing will happen for sure.

Posted by: KillerMax Jul 24 2007, 11:29 PM

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 25 2007, 12:01 AM

Well about Diarra ... I don't think he could be offered first team football, unlike at Madrid he can. Cuz at Milan, the Seedorf-Pirlo-Gattuso almost certainly played ahead of anyone .. In that sense, Diarra would have been surplus to our requirements. At least that is how I see it ..

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 25 2007, 11:34 AM

With our European team(2 DM's) he would have been excellent IMO. I'm sure Carlo could have fitted him in somewhere

Posted by: Portikins Jul 25 2007, 02:18 PM

Basically Pato today said it was not true that Marca-thing about "only Real".

He said:

"Who takes care of that is my agent. He knows well every club interested in me.
"Then, I'm going to decide.
"I've no preference. Any of those 2 [Milan or R.Madrid] are OK for me."

Does this mean that Alexandre Pato just snub Chelsea and Inter?

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 25 2007, 02:21 PM

Perhaps we're the only two interested in him as merda have spent heavily yet again and chelscum have bought nearly everyone else!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 25 2007, 02:23 PM

Nop. His agent said more than once that there are 4 clubs after him: Milan, Inter, Chelsea and Madrid.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 25 2007, 04:56 PM

TBH ... Pato would sign for us or Madrid .. There is no other competition out there IMO

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 25 2007, 07:38 PM

An agents job is to make his player look attractive to every club

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 25 2007, 07:42 PM

Kaka and Marek alson gave their opinions on Pato today...

so... CONGRATULATIONS!

I can't see Pato going anywhere but Milan. it sure is a done deal.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 25 2007, 11:45 PM

I wouldn't say it's a done deal.

The way Madrid are acting over this, claiming he only wants them, is only going to push him closer to Milan, let the Spanish papers say what the want.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 26 2007, 08:08 PM

Another day, another superb goal by Pato, another win for his club: http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,MUL77026-4276,00.html (I think you can watch it here)

BTW, you can see Berlusconi talking about Pato in the beginning of the press conf.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qekhpj_BMSc

Posted by: KillerMax Jul 26 2007, 08:32 PM

What a goal!

Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 27 2007, 02:35 AM

Pato To Reveal Future Within A Week

Highly coveted Brazil starlet Alexandre Pato has announced that he will make a decision on his future by next week.

Likened in style to AC Milan goldenboy Kaka, the prodigiously talented 17-year-old is considered the next big thing to come out of Brazil. As a result, the likes of AC Milan, Inter, Real Madrid and Chelsea are all competing over his signature, and one of these uberclubs is set to get August off to a very good start if Pato opts for them.

"My agent will be the first person to know what I have decided and I will tell him that in a week," said Pato, who currently stars for Brazilian club Internacional.

There were recently quotes attributed to his agent Gilmar Veloz claiming that his client, nicknamed ‘The Duck’, already had his mind set on Real, but his latest comments on the matter where decidedly ambiguous.

"For the moment the only thing that I can say is that Pato has already dismissed some of the teams that have sent him proposals.” Veloz told Radio Gaucha.

“He told me that after speaking with his parents he will decide which team he will play for and that decision will come from what is best for his family and for his career.”

A princely sum of €25m is being touted for the rights to buy the teenage sensation, as that represents the buyout clause on his contract with Internacional.
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Posted by: jbryant1 Jul 27 2007, 02:49 AM

Nice link.

We should definitely get this kid and we will regret it in 5 years if we don't.

Posted by: Panama Devil Jul 27 2007, 06:36 AM

I'M FULL OF ALL THIS CRAP ... !

I'LL CHECK THIS SITE AGAIN ON AUGUST 20TH TO SEE IF WE FINALLY SIGNED SOMEBODY WITH TWO LEGS.

ALTHOUGH I CAN BE BACK BEFORE ... JUST IF I FEEL THE EARTHQUAKE CAUSED BY THE SIGNING OF THE PLAYER OUR COACH SAID WILL END THE WORLD.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 27 2007, 09:35 AM

I can't believe... look at this:

Pelé said 1 week ago that Pato should stay in Brazil some more time, bla bla bla...

His answer to Pelé: "I thank Pelé for talking about me but I'll remind him that I am a World Champion [with Internacional de Porto Alegre], in case he has forgotten."

Alexandre showing caracther. Maybe Pelé is a bit fvcked up since Pato beat his record... being the youngest player EVER to score in a FIFA competition.

BTW: Corriere dello Sport says Leonardo is flying today to Brazil to close the deal.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 27 2007, 10:37 AM

Yeah!

I'm in love with this kid. I hope we hear about an agreement before the transfer window closes.

He really is an incredible talent. a world star at the age of 17!

Who's Messi?!

Posted by: fresh_prince7 Jul 27 2007, 11:14 AM

Milan close on Pato Friday 27 July, 2007

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Milan are ready to launch their final assault on teenage sensation Alexandre Pato, according to the latest reports in Italy.

The 17-year-old, who won the Copa Libertadores and the FIFA World Club Championship last year, is a fast and technically gifted striker who is highly rated by Rossoneri Coach Carlo Ancelotti.

Former player and current official Leonardo is expected to travel to South America shortly to speak with the youngster, who is a reported target for Real Madrid and some English clubs as well.

The Internacional player, who scored three goals for Brazil in the Under-20 World Cup in Canada this month, could arrive in August if a deal can be thrashed out.

However, Pato’s representative Gilmar Veloz recently stated that Madrid was his client’s preferred destination.

Paulo Roberto Falcao, who was in Italy for Roma’s 80th birthday party celebrations, believes that the player has a bright future – but he cannot be rushed.

“In Brazil we are aware of the fact that Pato has attracted the interest of Milan, Real Madrid and Premiership outfits,” he said. “He is a good player, but he is still only 17 – at that age you are only a child.

“He needs time and still has much to learn, but he is definitely talented and very strong from a technical point of view.”

(channel4.com)

Get us a signature leonardo..

Posted by: Portikins Jul 27 2007, 12:07 PM

Galliani when asked about what Marca wrote ("Pato only wants Real Madrid") he said:

"Why don't you just try ask Pato if that is his real intention?"

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=68965

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Agent Bronzetti also said it's basically a done deal. Pato will come to Milan in January.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=68904

Posted by: mkenya Jul 27 2007, 03:59 PM

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Agent Bronzetti also said it's basically a done deal. Pato will come to Milan in January.


You'd better be right!!!!!!

Posted by: m1ke Jul 27 2007, 04:10 PM

Doesn't signing Pato rule out any other non-eu signing?

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 27 2007, 04:12 PM

Well, it says the race is not over yet.

Plus they claim Milan are planning to present him in August. how could we?! he will not turn 18 before September... is it possible to sign him in August and wait until September and then bring him Milan?! better to wait until January I think.

Anyway, I'm a little bit worried about Madrid's interest. not so sure if I can call him a Rossonero yet...

Posted by: Portikins Jul 27 2007, 04:19 PM

Yes but as Galliani said: the OTHER player at the moment is non-EU but in 31 of August he'll be a European citizen. So no prob.


As I said in this thread WE CAN LAND HIM NOW giving his father/mother a job in Milano.

FCPorto did the same when they got Anderson [now a Manchester United player]. But I don't think Pato will come now. It's just 3/4 months... we'd probably come in January.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 27 2007, 04:27 PM

Anderson played in Portugal. maybe Italy has different rules?

Anyway, you're right. why should we rush things when he's just a 17 year old kid?!

Posted by: m1ke Jul 27 2007, 04:43 PM

Do you know when Ronaldinho turns EU?

Posted by: Portikins Jul 27 2007, 05:50 PM

According to what Laporta said, he and Eto'o will get the EU-thing really soon. Probably until the end of August.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=67876

Posted by: m1ke Jul 27 2007, 05:53 PM

Before the 31st?

Posted by: Portikins Jul 27 2007, 06:10 PM

Who knows?

Posted by: Portikins Jul 27 2007, 06:18 PM

Pato new Nike earrings.

http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,MUL78455-4410,00.html

He said it's not "a demand" from Nike. The sponsor just gave that to him in Canada and he liked, so...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 27 2007, 06:25 PM

I think they've found just about every possibly way of advertising.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 27 2007, 06:41 PM

Have any of our current players earrings?! I really don't know...

Posted by: Tennie Jul 27 2007, 06:43 PM

I'd be willing to bet that none of them (save possibly Darmian) have braces!

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 28 2007, 04:18 PM

Carlo Ancelotti had a pre-game conference today (for the Lecco game), he talked about many things, including Pato! since it is in Italian I didn't understand much and google translator didn't help either.

Su Pato: "E' un giocatore di grande prospettiva, non è un discorso immediato".

google translator -> On Pato: “a player of great perspective, is not an immediate speech (?!)”

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Ancora su Pato: "Nell'eventualità può arrivare solo a gennaio".

-> Still on Pato: “In the event it can only arrive to January.


It seems we have secured his signature, and he'll come in January.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 28 2007, 04:24 PM

Calm down. It's not done yet.

http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo372806.shtml

TGcom says Leonardo is flying to Brazil Monday to talk with Pato's parents and offer a 2M/euros per year contract. They say his mother would like him to be near Kaka', such a religious player.

It seems that Milan already agreed with Internacional a deal about 20M/euros for Pato. Now it's up to Leonardo to convince the player and his parents.

He'd come only in January.