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han2503
post Oct 20 2013, 01:55 PM
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Well here it is, it feels like we're stuck in this loop constantly playing these whining divers.

Balo is out most likely so personally I'd rather see us NOT using a striker. Matri will be a huge liability here. When he's on the pitch it feels like we're a man down and we can't have that here. Last season we did so well because Pazzo terrorised the sh!t out of Puyol and Pique. Matri won't do that, so I'd rather go for Kaka starting as a fake 9 sort of with Birsa and Robinho behind him to provide cover for the midfielders as well.

Or if Kaka isn't fit to start Robinho starts as the striker with Birsa and Poli in behind him and Monto, De Jong plus Nocerino or Muntari ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ) in midfield. We need someone strong on that left side who'll help Constant double up, maybe even Urby as I don't trust Muntari to help out defensively
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post Oct 20 2013, 02:44 PM
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My line-up:

Amelia
Abate - Zapata - Mexes - Constant
Poli - De Jong - Monto
Birsa - Kaká
Matri


Christmass tree.

With De Jong back and Poli in great shape, Monto has to be moved to the left. His work rate and defensive abilities are far superior to those of both Muntari and Nocerino. Allegri uses him no problem in front of the defense, why can't he also play him alongside Poli and De Jong? It's by far the best possible midfield we can play.

As for the attack, I'd go with Kaká and Birsa behind Matri. We need someone who can hold the ball against Barça. If Matri could do just that it would free up spaces for Kaká and Birsa to use and for Poli's insertions. Plus we'd practically be playing with a 5-man midfield, which is necessary against Barça.
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post Oct 20 2013, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 20 2013, 02:44 PM) *
My line-up:

Amelia
Abate - Zapata - Mexes - Constant
Poli - De Jong - Monto
Birsa - Kaká
Matri


Christmass tree.

With De Jong back and Poli in great shape, Monto has to be moved to the left. His work rate and defensive abilities are far superior to those of both Muntari and Nocerino. Allegri uses him no problem in front of the defense, why can't he also play him alongside Poli and De Jong? It's by far the best possible midfield we can play.

As for the attack, I'd go with Kaká and Birsa behind Matri. We need someone who can hold the ball against Barça. If Matri could do just that it would free up spaces for Kaká and Birsa to use and for Poli's insertions. Plus we'd practically be playing with a 5-man midfield, which is necessary against Barça.

Sorry, but can't agree with Matri starting this one. He can't even do something as simple as hold up the ball and lay it off against a team like Udine. He messed up each pass, each touch and each shot he made yesterday. It was simply like playing with 10 men on the pitch. And to drop Robinho to keep this guy in there is just not right. Robinho is easily one of our most in form players so far this season. Plus he works hard and drops into midfield when necessary Matri just walks around complaining and looking at the sky 95% of the time. He never even bothers to track back and help out when we're not in possession.

I'd go

Amelia
Abate - Zapata - Mexes - Constant
Poli - De Jong - Monto
Birsa - Kaká
Robinho


Also, I think I'd go weith Silvestre instead of Zapata. He's a huge aerial threat. He'd be useful for us should we get set-piece opportunities, plus, I don't trust Zapata atm.
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post Oct 20 2013, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 20 2013, 06:24 PM) *
Sorry, but can't agree with Matri starting this one. He can't even do something as simple as hold up the ball and lay it off against a team like Udine. He messed up each pass, each touch and each shot he made yesterday. It was simply like playing with 10 men on the pitch. And to drop Robinho to keep this guy in there is just not right. Robinho is easily one of our most in form players so far this season. Plus he works hard and drops into midfield when necessary Matri just walks around complaining and looking at the sky 95% of the time. He never even bothers to track back and help out when we're not in possession.

I'd go

Amelia
Abate - Zapata - Mexes - Constant
Poli - De Jong - Monto
Birsa - Kaká
Robinho


Also, I think I'd go weith Silvestre instead of Zapata. He's a huge aerial threat. He'd be useful for us should we get set-piece opportunities, plus, I don't trust Zapata atm.


Yeah, I knew you'd disagree about Matri. I just can't see Robinho as CF. But I guess we could also play an attack line where nobody holds a fixed position. It'd be more dynamic and all.
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post Oct 20 2013, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 20 2013, 04:29 PM) *
Yeah, I knew you'd disagree about Matri. I just can't see Robinho as CF. But I guess we could also play an attack line where nobody holds a fixed position. It'd be more dynamic and all.

Yeah that's what I meant, obviously Robinho won't be a CF in that, we don't really need a CF anyway, I'd rather crowd that midfield and hit them on breaks, and those 3 upfront would be able to do that
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post Oct 20 2013, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 20 2013, 11:02 PM) *
Yeah that's what I meant, obviously Robinho won't be a CF in that, we don't really need a CF anyway, I'd rather crowd that midfield and hit them on breaks, and those 3 upfront would be able to do that


Would be good against the sides in the top 10. Would also be good as an away formation. At home, I think we'd be stuck.

We don't have a spine yet. We are working on it, but it isn't there yet.
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post Oct 20 2013, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 20 2013, 04:56 PM) *
Would be good against the sides in the top 10. Would also be good as an away formation. At home, I think we'd be stuck.

We don't have a spine yet. We are working on it, but it isn't there yet.

But we won't be playing like we're at home in this game, we'll be playing like we're the away side, and this is just a solution for just one game.

Balo could be back for the next Serie A game, Kaka also should be fit for that.
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post Oct 20 2013, 06:22 PM
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You know, with Honda we could also play a Christmas tree formation with him and Kaká behind Balo. Doesn't sound too shabby. But as long as Poli, Monto and De Jong are played in midfield.
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post Oct 20 2013, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 20 2013, 06:22 PM) *
You know, with Honda we could also play a Christmas tree formation with him and Kaká behind Balo. Doesn't sound too shabby. But as long as Poli, Monto and De Jong are played in midfield.

It does sound good in theory. The problem is we have too many strikers.
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With the amount of time Allegri takes to drill the team into a new formation! I'd be worried about doing anything new. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 20 2013, 08:27 PM) *
It does sound good in theory. The problem is we have too many strikers.


They can all go clean the toilets or something, except for Pazzini and maybe El Shaarawy.
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post Oct 20 2013, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 20 2013, 06:29 PM) *
With the amount of time Allegri takes to drill the team into a new formation! I'd be worried about doing anything new. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Oct 20 2013, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 20 2013, 06:29 PM) *
They can all go clean the toilets or something, except for Pazzini and maybe El Shaarawy.

I'd personally like to see us go for a 4-2-3-1

1st team:
Abate--Mexes--Rami--De Sciglio
Monto--De Jong
Honda--Kaka--El Shaarawy
Balotelli


2nd team:
Bonera--Zapata--Silvestre--Constant
Poli--Noce/Muntari
Birsa--Saponara--Robinho
Pazzini


The only real issues in terms of subs/2nd string are the DM position if De Jong is out and the RB position.

Guys who do not have any space in this side when everyone is fit are Matri, Niang, Zaccardo, either one of Nocerino or Muntari and Urby

I think all of these guys should go in January. Bring in a proper RB substitute and someone to cover for De Jong and we're set imo

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post Oct 20 2013, 06:45 PM
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^ That makes too much sense, so forget about it.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 20 2013, 12:29 PM) *
Yeah, I knew you'd disagree about Matri. I just can't see Robinho as CF. But I guess we could also play an attack line where nobody holds a fixed position. It'd be more dynamic and all.

agreed, Robinho with the ball runs more towards our net then the opponant's...

Matri as a Supporting Target man holding up play may open things for Kaka and Valter. That being said, **** is he useless around the box...
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