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Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 13 2011, 05:11 PM

FORZA MILAN !


EDIT: I don't believe Bale is a deciding factor, sure he gives them more options and increases their quality all around ... But we also don't have Pirlo, so

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 13 2011, 05:12 PM

If we loose this one .. Blame it on han !

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 13 2011, 05:15 PM

FORZA MILAN!!!

Really hyped for this game.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 13 2011, 05:34 PM

Word is that Bale might be back. Just play a deep line and we should be fine, he's a kick and run player so if there's no space behind the defense he gets a bit lost.

I fail to see how they will cope with our forward players, they're a bit of a mess defensively with a clown as a keeper.

3-1 Milan.

I really hope we smash them, especially with Redknapp's "I'd rather have them than Copenhagen as they would be a potential banana skin". Shut up you tax dodging ****.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 13 2011, 05:42 PM

He really said that???

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 13 2011, 07:16 PM

We will go through the tie. Tottenham aren't that great. Bale isn't that great. Out of all the English clubs this is the one I would want.

The ones to look out for are VDV and Modric (if they play), if they dictate the play we could be in trouble.

We ideally need to take a lead from the 1st leg and hopefully a clean sheet, though I doubt the latter.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 13 2011, 07:31 PM

+1. I'm not that worried about them. We need to demolish VDV and we'll be fine.

BTW Boateng is almost fit. Might be ready for Sunday game vs Chievo.

Posted by: Darunia Feb 13 2011, 07:41 PM

I would go with this lineup:

Abbiati
Oddo Nesta Thiago Silva Antonini
Gattuso Flamini Seedorf
Robinho
Pato Ibra

I don't think Merkel is ready for this type of game yet, we don't have many other options in midfield..

Posted by: han2503 Feb 13 2011, 07:58 PM

What what what???

Why blame it on me???

I'd go with something like this



Ask Pato and Robs to track back and help out their FBs when Flamini and Rino have to keep tabs on Modric and VdV and play through the middle, were imo their at their weakest defensively

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 13 2011, 08:00 PM

I'm sure over the coming weeks, those of you on here that aren't from England and subjected to his face 24/7 will understand why I hate this man more than anybody else in football.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 13 2011, 08:32 PM

+1

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 14 2011, 02:40 AM

Pretty sure Redknapp just complimented Milan in that statement. Many have said we are a club living off history, too old, with players no where near the calibre of what they were in the 90's.

He didn't say he'd rather have Copenhagen than us because it's an easier tie! It's because we are a "massive club, a great game to look forward to, and if we can make sure we are still in the tie when they come back to White Hart land it will be another great night". "They have a lot of great players, top, top players. They are a good side". Spurs haven't been in a competition like this (at least not that I can remember) and to play the 2nd most successful team in the world within it home & away is massive for them and that's the point he is getting across.

Yes he said they have a 'good' chance but he is their manager. What is he meant to say 'Nope we have no chance, in fact I'm not even sure why we're bothering to travel to Milan, actually I'm ringing Platini and telling him to give Milan a bye'.

I don't really see how he is being offensive in that quote at all in all honesty.

Posted by: dst Feb 14 2011, 02:47 AM

So what does everyone think? I believe we'll be kicked out.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 14 2011, 02:49 AM

^ I agree with that. I actually found his statement a compliment rather than an offense.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 14 2011, 02:53 AM

Nah, and I'm not being naive. We should go through this.

Bale as Kurt said is a kick and run player, knocks the ball 6 ft in front of him runs and continues he's not like Kaka used to be, we just need to get into him, and he's not going to be fully fit (if he does play in the 1st leg).

The ones that really worry me are VDV and Modric, if they are allowed time they will hurt us they are Spurs real World Class players no matter what is said about Bale.

I can see us losing the 2nd leg but going through by the odd goal or even away goals. It won't be easy but in the end I expect us to go through.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 14 2011, 02:58 AM

It depends. I think it's fair to say we start as favorites. We showed a great condition against Parma, and if we manage to implement the same performance in tomorrow's game, things could turn out nicely.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 14 2011, 03:45 AM

I didn't say he said anything offensive.

But saying he'd rather play Milan than Copenhagen - because Copenhagen is a potential banana skin - is not exactly flattery towards us is it? What, and Milan don't have the potential to make Spurs slip up? If so, why even mentioned Copenhagen, what's the relavance?

He's a ****. He realised he said something very negative against Milan and then backtracked by saying they're a massive club, etc, etc.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 14 2011, 03:51 AM

Moved my response to http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7421&st=1425&gopid=282615&#entry282615.

Don't want to turn this thread into an EPL thread!

Posted by: Dracoris Feb 14 2011, 03:57 AM

I almost like Han's formation but I just dont see Pato dropping to defense enough for it to work

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 14 2011, 04:28 AM

Even if he doesn't, Robinho will help out and that'd mean there's 7 players who're working hard defensively. Should be enough at home against a team who'll probably go 4-5-1.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 14 2011, 04:40 AM

Han's formation (which I originally brought up, mind you ) would be ideal considering our injuries. We don't really have someone to play in front of the defense, as Pirlo, Ambrosini and Van Bommel are all unavailable. But if we play Gattuso and Flamini as a levee and let the others upfront do their magic, well, it's the best shot we've got at a proper formation.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 14 2011, 04:06 PM

Well he'll just have to sacrifice himself for the team a bit. Pato has come under massive pressure this last month, seemingly being criticised for everything he does, but he's working hard when he's on the pitch, he's trying to improve his work rate and trying to link up more with Ibra. If Allegri tels him that he needs to track back and help our his FB then I'm sure he'll do it. And if there is anyone with a big game goal in him from our front 3 then it's Pato imo


Agreed


I never saw you copyright it!

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 14 2011, 05:32 PM

Scare Milan with Bale Overrate much?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 14 2011, 05:55 PM

Really. I mean this is the Milan who did go up against Man U with CR and beat them 3-0 right? And CR was much bigger than Bale right?

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 14 2011, 05:58 PM

Abbiati, Amelia, Abate, Antonini, Jankulovski, Legrottaglie, Nesta, Oddo, Papastathopoulos, Thiago Silva, Yepes, Flamini, Gattuso, Merkel, Seedorf, Strasser, Ibrahimovic, Pato, Robinho.

Indisponibili: Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Pirlo, Inzaghi
Non convocati: Boateng, Bonera

I'm actually relieved that Bonera is not called up.

Posted by: William405 Feb 14 2011, 06:12 PM

Nice to see Strasser,and Abate back from injury;although,they won't probably play...

Also,I would like something likeeee this...

Nesta--Yepes--Thiago
Flamini--Gattuso--Seedorf--Abate
Robinho
Pato-Ibra


So I'll explain bit my view of this

Yepes in the heart of defense,solid as a rock,and no crosses passing through.
Nesta,and Thiago also in the heart of defense also but may shift a little bid towards their side.
Flamini,and Abate are wingbacks(that's what you call them right?)
Gattuso wins the ball in the heart of midfeild,and Seedorf starts the attack.
Robinho works like a dog as always,he has a great workrate,so he can even help in the midfeild battle.

and Ibra does his magic.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 14 2011, 06:20 PM

Well Bale wasn't Doofus Duck the last time I checked. He can still turn it on, and if not by himself, cross the ball in for Totts attack to slot it in. A Gareth Bale on his on-day is more lethal than CR on his off-day. FACT.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 14 2011, 06:43 PM

Not that this would Ever(!) happen, but seedorf and rino would be smothered by the 5 man midfield harry's planning. i can see this as being our #1 weakness.

Posted by: William405 Feb 14 2011, 07:16 PM

Erm,I put Seedorf their but I think Merkel could work their maybe,and it would be fine.
I think Gattuso can handle Tottenham's midfeild ;p

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 14 2011, 08:10 PM

Not wanting to sound rude, but that's a line-up only someone drunk would come up with. The players are right, but the way you've drawn the formation is somewhat illogical. We've never played with a 3-man defense and never will. Gattuso and Seedorf in front of the defense would get squashed like cockroaches. Abate is right-footed and Flamini is not a wingback. How did you come up with something like that?

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 14 2011, 08:12 PM

Oh, and by the way, Studio Sport's suggested line-up for tomorrow is:

Me not likeeeee.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 14 2011, 08:14 PM

Pato on the bench??
Thiago removed from defense where we will adsolutely need him imo if we want to get past this tie.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 14 2011, 08:30 PM

we need nesta-silva partnership at CB. will be shocked if we mess up on CB partnership.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 14 2011, 08:54 PM

Pity that Gareth Bale has about as many 'on-days' as Ricardo Oliveira in a Milan shirt.

It's laughable the comparison between these 2, it's like comparing a league two player with a Premiership player.

Posted by: Dracoris Feb 14 2011, 08:54 PM

If thats true, I'd be another signature Allegri move. I think this is a massive game for him in terms of coaching stature. Yepes is a pretty decent CB and is in form, so all is not lost but this is not our best formation IMO.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 14 2011, 09:53 PM

Oh, I forgot to mention, got the ticket for tomorrow's game!

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 14 2011, 09:56 PM

Tell Harry that Kurt wishes him all the best.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 14 2011, 10:13 PM

I will.

Posted by: Darunia Feb 15 2011, 01:59 AM

To be honest, Silva-Yepes would give me more comfort since they have been playing well together and Nesta just came back. That being said, I don't think Nesta will be dropped.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 15 2011, 02:07 AM

Nesta-Thiago for life!!!

Posted by: acid911 Feb 15 2011, 08:30 AM

I know, pretty much everyone who follow EPL know what Bale is capable (or not capable of). What I meant is that if he somehow turned it on (it is the big Champions League night, after all), then that could be troubling for any team to try and contain him. He isn't nearly as talented as some people and sections of the media make him out to be, but my point is that he is no slouch either.

It depends on what sort of a player turns up that day. And if we want to go to the next round, we should be ready to take it heads on, as opposed to being surprised like our match against Arsenal in San Siro circa 2008.

Posted by: Zed.D Feb 15 2011, 08:52 AM

The only thing about Spurs (and EPL teams in general) that worries me is their speed. I hope we do something clever to stop them (although with Turtle and Rhino, I doubt it'll pay off)

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 15 2011, 09:07 AM

+1

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 09:53 AM

In my mind at this moment in time Bale is like Mancini (Roma and the one we had last year), yes he's got talent, yes he's scored a few flashy goals but can easily fade out of games and is quite comfortable to keep under control using the right tactics.

Bale hasn't done this for years, it's amazing in this country how everyone said to prove CR7 is World Class he needs to do it against big teams across a number of years. Yet Bale has 2 great performances and is suddenly labelled the best left midfielder in the world. It's the usual British hype, I have no idea why the rest of the world seems to be on it as well. I guess if they've only seen the games against Inter they could think he is insanely good, as they're unlikely to see Spurs on a regular basis and they have no chance of seeing a Wales game. It's amazing to think pre-Inter people were saying Bale hasn't ever fulfilled his potential!

I've said it numerous times and I'll say it again, the real problems we have are VDV & Modric. I also believe Lennon may hurt us with his blistering pace, seeing as everyone seems to have overlooked him in comparison to others in the Spurs team.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 15 2011, 10:24 AM

Agreed. And truth is that that for a 21 year-old player there is still time for him to gain the necessary experience and lift his game to world class. As of right now there is potential. Potential and lots and lots of hype (which I don't buy). Sure on his good days, his runs are lethal, but a complete player he is not. Yet.

And as for Ronaldo (the crying variety), he is without doubt the best player in the world at the moment, IMO. With Messi a second. CR7 can do everything there is, epic free kicks, as well as make thrilling runs from half a mile out into the box. And a big part of that is because of his strong build and frame. Messi has done awfully well for himself, but he will always be a one-dimensional player for me.

Of course, it is tough to compare both apples-to-apples. Messi plays in a set team, with high amount of chemistry between the players, while Cristiano has new faces and an unstable team. On the NT side of things, even though the Messi plays in one of the bets teams in the world, his performance has been lackluster. Same for CR7 in a way, but at least he can say that his team lacks the flash, legacy, and experience of Argentina. So in reality, it is the case of two player being in an entirely different system, and then there is work-rate and dedication that may be different.

All said and done, no one can say CR7 has to prove anything now. 50 goals in 52 appearances for Real Madrid is nothing to be scoffed at. And for the sake of this thread, I'll leave it at that. Bale though still has to, and while his performances have been wildly fluctuating, there still is chance. We'll see where the guy is at when he is at his peak, 25, 26 years of age. Unneeded hype, I agree, which should not be there. For the record, I don't think of him as the best left back in the world at this time. Far from it.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 15 2011, 10:34 AM

Modric is not completely fit yet.


Agree about VDV. Playing Silva in midfield might not be a bad idea. He can take him out.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:35 AM

You posted that acid? On MF are you crazy?!

I like Ronaldo, not his attitude but as a player I think he's fantastic. I would say he's the best player that's ever graced the EPL in all honesty. He probably has the perfect body for football, I mean I'd say he's roughly 6ft so not too tall, not too short and he's built incredibly well. Some of that has to go down to Fergie because if you saw him when he came over when he was 18 he was incredibly weak in his physique. Obviously Messi at 5ft 6/7 is never going to be a threat in the air.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to insinuate anything on CR7's part or the age-old debate of him against Messi. It was just to show how our media hype British players up but are quick to say foreign players need to prove themselves before they can really be labelled world-class. Just look at Rooney's goal for example at the weekend the hype was unreal, you compare to what Berbatov received for his V Liverpool (bearing in mind it was one out of a hat-trick).

Bale has to prove that he's world class by doing this season in, season out or at least performing at a high level, until he does that I cannot take all the hype seriously. You cannot brand a player world-class from 2 performances otherwise every player in the world would be 'world-class'.

He will play over the course of this tie though, have no doubt on that.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 15 2011, 11:03 AM

Crazy or otherwise, truth should be stated as truth. I did not buy too much into him at the start, but the guy has proven himself at the top (at least at the club level) for a bunch of seasons running. Not a fan, however love watching him and what he brings to the game.


Well said. And as I stated above, his physique is perfection, not just his height, but how he has built his body. Nothing needs to be changed. Messi had his own set of challenges growing up, and not only he is on the shorter side, his legs are also quite thin. Surely he can't compete with someone like CR7 when it comes to physical performances and display of strength on the field.

Kaka was another one who I thought had (or should I say has) the perfect build for a football player. Maldini, Ronaldo too. But obviously CR7 has the added advantage that he does not get injured as often as these three players. Which is always a good thing to have!


True. But hype = $$$, and that is what media does best. Obviously, not everyone thinks like you and me. I personally just hate the use of the word "great" six times in a sentence. Particularly coupled with the word "absolutely". There are other adjectives that the so-called pundits can use.

And the fact that the British players will always have that aura around them in the UK is a given.


+1. World-class is another phrase cheapened by the media. Pity, really.


Oh he will. Undoubtedly. I am sure we will see a full strength Tottenham team in three weeks against us.

Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Feb 15 2011, 01:23 PM

Yep modric will play maybe the second half of this game he had a surgery few days ago when Cro national team played Czech Republic but it was a easy one and he shoud play some part of that ficture, in bales position will play i think Kranjcar that has bring to the spurs 6 points i two matches with two fantastic goals , the first one when he comed in the game in 77th min and in 92nd he scored a fantastic goal from 20m with his weaker foot and the second one a great volley from the edge of the box so he is in form and we should really keep him in his half so he cant kill us with his fantastic shot and ball passing witch is incredibly good. So i no Modric and Bale the biggest threat for me is Kranjcar!

As for us i really hate that we are playing the first leg in Milano and we will play (like most italian press says) with Ibra and Robinho and seedorf instead of Pato , i really hate this seedorf thinh and this is going on for years right now, we should play with Robinho pato Ibra esspecially when we are playing a gattuso thiago silva flamini midfield, so i dont see nothing bad playing robinho and even pato as second strikers contributing the game in defence and in playbuilding so i really cant see seedorf beeing the best choice for us in these situation.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 15 2011, 01:30 PM

Poor Seedorf.

When he leaves, I'm gonna put up a sig with a nice little statement just for him. Say what you want..but I love my Turtle.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 15 2011, 02:46 PM

That seems to be the line up popping up everywhere ... I would like for Pato to start, but considering what is at stake, there is no margin for error. Ibra-Robinho have been very good when paired upfront, so for the good of Milan I hope this partnership proves its worth tonight.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 15 2011, 05:04 PM

Yup, 99% that's how we're gonna play tonight. Pity, I would have preferred "han's line-up" better.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 15 2011, 05:14 PM

Good one. I liked it better too, but you never know until the teams are on the pitch!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 15 2011, 05:25 PM

At least there's no Bonera. But Oddo-Yepes-Nesta sounds awfully slow.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 15 2011, 05:30 PM

han's line-up would result in our immediate disqualification

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 15 2011, 05:47 PM

Off to the stadium. FORZA MILAN!!!

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 15 2011, 05:51 PM

Bring back the victory!! Forza Milan!

Posted by: acid911 Feb 15 2011, 05:55 PM

You lucky devil. Enjoy your time and like Max said above, bring back victory!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 15 2011, 06:02 PM

Bad bad bad feeling.

SHITE!!!!!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 15 2011, 06:03 PM

Arghhhh ... FORZA MILAN !

Posted by: samira Feb 15 2011, 06:14 PM

Do not say "bad feeling"

Gattuso captian and it seems like Abate is playing as LB instead of Oddo

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 15 2011, 06:33 PM

You must mean Rb, right?

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 06:43 PM

I think,she meant that.

Also,from football-italia

Chelsea manager Carlo Ancelotti has given old club Milan advice on dealing with Tottenham. “They’re tough, but have a poor defence.”

The former Rossoneri boss hopes his former club can avoid going out of the Champions League to an English side for the third season running.

“Milan have the advantage on home turf, but at White Hart Lane Tottenham can make anyone suffer,” Ancelotti told La Stampa newspaper.

“It depends on how Milan do in terms of tempo. Manchester United and Chelsea risked losing it there.

“Gareth Bale’s absence is a bonus tonight, but it’ll be real trouble when he returns for the second leg in London.

“Spurs have other tough players like Peter Crouch, Roman Pavlyuchenko and Luka Modric, while keep an eye on Aaron Lennon, as he is an old-style winger good in the one-on-one. Spurs are tough, but have a poor defence.”

Milan are top of the Serie A table and favourites for the Scudetto, but this is Massimiliano Allegri’s first experience in the Champions League.

“My old players tell me Allegri reminds them of me. Up until Saturday Milan didn’t seem at their best, but if they have rediscovered the solidity that allowed them to break away in the first place and have Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s quality, then they can go far.”



Thanks for the golden advice Ancelotti ;p

If we win these ties who are the possible 2 teams we can face?Or is it a draw?Noob xD

Posted by: samira Feb 15 2011, 06:47 PM

O sorry yes I did. Antonini is LB I think

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 07:49 PM

Just under an hour to go, let those CL nerves get set again!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 07:53 PM

Yep, starting to get nervous now.

Hopefully we don't try to play their game and leave spaces for their pacy players to run into. Keep it tight, play a smart tactical game, make them as uncomfortable as possible

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 07:53 PM

Tottenham!Let's go!

Too excited ;p

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 15 2011, 07:56 PM

AC Milan (4-3-1-2): Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, Yepes, Antonini; Gattuso, Thiago Silva, Flamini; Seedorf; Robinho, Ibrahimovic

Tottenham (4-4-1-1): Gomes; Corluka, Gallas, Dawson Assou-Ekotto; Lennon, Palacios, Sandro, Pienaar; Van der Vaart; Crouch

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 07:57 PM

Same, still HDTV is set, pizza is ordered, beers and Pepsi Max in.

Now just for the perfomance!

This is probably the most nervous/anticipating for a CL game I've been in years. (Always thought we would go out to United & Arsenal).

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 08:04 PM

Huge game for Rino tonight. If he does his job well, we go a long way to stopping Spurs. Prove me wrong Rino!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 08:07 PM

I think he'll be up for it. Problem is not whether or not he's into it, but whether his legs can manage it, hopefully it will be Flamini and Antonini covering Lennon's side, who is by far their fastest player, Rino would get burned by him

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 08:08 PM

I think he will be soooo out of his confort zone running behind Modric, VdV, lennon. I just don't think we have an anwser for their midfield.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 15 2011, 08:12 PM

"Hope" and its derivatives is the most (over)used word here on Milanfan.com. FACT.

The passion here from the fans all around the world is epic. FACT.

My Champions League DNA is finally kicking in. FACT.

Let's go boys!

Posted by: samira Feb 15 2011, 08:15 PM

Maicon had some problems so Im more worried about Abate.
But he handled Cristiano Ronaldo good at the 2-2 game.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 08:17 PM

I fail to see how they cope with Zlatan. Gallas and Dawson are very average defenders by normal standards, but for a CL they're pretty awful.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 08:18 PM

Maicon was playing like a player who didn't want to be there at that time under Rafa. Also Bale won't be playing

Thankfully Modric won't be starting. I think Thiago, Flamini and Rino can stifle their midfield if they stay compact, just don't allow them any space!

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 08:19 PM

Why won't Pato play?

Also,Yepes to kick some ***!

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 08:34 PM

pato on the bench to come on after robinho misses his 7th chance

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 08:36 PM

Or to come instead of Seedorf,who'll start walking after 30 minutes of play.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 15 2011, 08:37 PM

Posted by: MizNelson Feb 15 2011, 08:37 PM

Your anti-Redknapp rants are such a treat.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 08:40 PM

Knew I shouldn't have watched the build-up it's like we're playing Barca the way they're rating them against us! Then they go onto say that their team is depleted but nothing about ours!

Come on, want to beat them even more now (if that's possible).

See you at HT.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 08:42 PM

Enjoy the pizza and beer

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 08:43 PM

It's time.

Please, please, win.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 08:44 PM

ray wilkins sounds like micheal caine. It might be his booth partner.

Seedorf shaking, flamini looks like he will kill a man

Posted by: acid911 Feb 15 2011, 08:45 PM

It's time. The board is set, burgers and drinks are out, friends are in. Go, go, go!

Posted by: pedronell88 Feb 15 2011, 08:50 PM

This is the time for abate to show what he's worth.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 08:51 PM

Not a good start so far. Bad passing

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 08:57 PM

Nothing going through midfield, mistakes in the defense. letting Crouch win all the arial battles

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 08:58 PM

Lennon killing us on the right everytime they're letting him put in crosses. Ridiculous

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 09:00 PM

Hoofspurs living up to their name so far.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 09:03 PM

Abbiati coming off, damn.

Amelia on.

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 09:04 PM

They're killing us on the sides...

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:04 PM

Nice even more injuries. This while we're struggling

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:05 PM

Amelia's career is about to be defined, backup or starting material.

Posted by: Locke Lamora Feb 15 2011, 09:05 PM

Couldn't really have started much worse, could it?

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:05 PM

Flamini and Rino need to work with their FB. Anatonini and Abate are atrocious, this is why I said Oddo should be playing. Abate will prove to be a huge liability for us in this game

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:08 PM

Sky Sports commentators making me want to puke. Crouchy? Give me a f**** break!!

Posted by: TheOgre Feb 15 2011, 09:08 PM

anyone have a stream?

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:09 PM

seedorf is useless. its pathetic and sad

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:11 PM

i actually find antonini and abate are playing very well. its in midfield we're losing the game. I called it

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:12 PM

Crouchy again

Posted by: shevchenko_007 Feb 15 2011, 09:13 PM

If we keep up this rate then we are going no where, the bounce in the box is favouring us atm but that could all change in one attack then we are screwed.
We are pretty much playing with 10 men and no link to the attack coz seedorf decides he doesnt want to play and all he wants to do is look for fouls.
Let's hope we can get to the second half without conceding a goal so pato can come off and slowdorf can f*** off!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:13 PM

Abate and Antoni are getting caught our of position, they should be stopping those crosses, period!!

Rino and Flamini are not helping at all, while Thiago is out of his element. Imo it was a mistake to play him there against such a good midfield

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:15 PM

these commentadors are wearing Micheal Dawson undergarments

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 09:17 PM

i hate having to listen to brits during the champions league. they are sooo ridiculously biased. you'd think they were sleeping with tottenham

Posted by: shevchenko_007 Feb 15 2011, 09:17 PM

Wat are they supposed to do? They have to cover so much ground and have to to do so much work to try and keep us in this game. They have been put under the pump too much in this game and we will crack very soon if we are not careful.

Ive got a pommy commentator here in Australia on SBS and this guy is one-eyed tottenham and he thinks he knows exactly where milans problems lie.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:20 PM

They need to stay with their man, forget about going gallavanting down the pitch right now. We need to keep it tight

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:20 PM

"Crouchy" tackles Silva

Commentadors" Silva went for the headbutt....funny stuff that"

Posted by: shevchenko_007 Feb 15 2011, 09:21 PM

Well we need to score goals, we are playing at home! Not only do they have to all the work defensively but they also need to try and make things happen coz seedorf is not gonna do it any time soon.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 09:22 PM

I don't get it, what's the problem?

Seems like having a go at Sky Sports is the in-thing at the moment, for no real reason.

Got to improve anyway, way too slow.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:23 PM

WTF seedorf. who F*cks up a 2 yard backheel?

Posted by: shevchenko_007 Feb 15 2011, 09:24 PM

Seedorf does...

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:25 PM

FLAMINI!!!!!!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:26 PM

That's just an example of how every little thing Tottenham do is magic

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:26 PM

"AC milan have been beaten in every aspect of football today"

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 09:27 PM

exactly. they could at least TRY to be just a little objective

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:29 PM

"Antonini is petrified of Lennon"

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:30 PM

seedorf is honestly making merkel sound like a viable option

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:31 PM

i know it's sickening you can tell he's been told to cut off the shot, not the man!!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 09:32 PM

What is an example of this?

As far as I'm concerned the comms have been spot on, everything they've said is about right - except when they actually said Milan should had a free kick on the edge of the box, it wasn't a foul.

Just people kicking up a fuss about **** all as usual.

It's an English channel, get over it or get a different station.

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 15 2011, 09:33 PM

Haha... was just thinking that..!

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 15 2011, 09:33 PM

"in form" flamini would have shot that

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 09:33 PM

+100

i'd prefer to try pato first and drop robinho back to the treq though

Posted by: TheOgre Feb 15 2011, 09:33 PM

seedorf has been just awful! pray for ganso!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:34 PM

What does that have to do with anything. They're biased and last time I checked they should be objective not trying to make every English team seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 09:34 PM

Awful 1st half. Gomes touched the ball as much as me in that half!

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 09:35 PM

Nice to see the racism fully in flow.

Terrible, terrible 1st half. If we were playing a good team we'd be out of this tie. I haven't seen us play this badly in the CL since Deportivo, it's been that bad.

Posted by: shevchenko_007 Feb 15 2011, 09:36 PM

How the hell could allegri think that playing the slowest player in europe against one of the quickest teams would actually work. I know we have lots of injuries but i'm sure there is something he could have done.
I'm glad we got to half time with the draw so let's just hope he makes the change at half time and no later.
Seedorf off to the retirement village, pato on and play better than he has done recently.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 15 2011, 09:37 PM

Can't decide who's worse, Seedorf or Flamini. Flamini doing his usual cloak mode.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:37 PM

Our biggest proble is the midfield. Sure Seedorf has been bad, but there is just no linkup between the midfield and attack. Imo Seedorf needs to take Thaigo's place, Thiago is just so out of touch with everythine. He might pull it off against a crappy Serie A team, but not in the CL, he's having a torrid time out there. Robinho needs to drop deeper, get on the ball, Ibra is not even in this. And please don't even mention Merkel!! At the pace the match is going he'd get slaughtered out there, just what we need to make this an even better outing, a kid screwing up even more balls then the so called experianced players are already doing.

Allegri needs to give them a good talking to.

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 09:38 PM

Merkel instead of Seedorf.

We can't enter Pato,nothing will change probably,they have a pretty good midfeild.

Han:Merkel would do better in the treq than Seedorf,also,he's our only midfielder on the bench...It's not like I'm saying he should play in the heart of midfeild.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 15 2011, 09:38 PM

I don't get you guys. Did you honestly think Milan can do anything with 2 and 1/2 strikers and 1 and 1/2 creative players?

Milan cannot got through with such a roster.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 09:39 PM

This is a Spurs side without Modric & Bale (no matter what I think of him) as well.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:40 PM

Funny how it's the English guys defending the biased English commentators

Well last season against Man U was worse imo. Allegri is proving what a mediocre coach he is imo. That line up was all wrong for today simple. No Carlo fan here, but he certainly wouldn't have played players out of position for such a huge tie, and leaving Pato on the bench was another mistake

Posted by: armiss Feb 15 2011, 09:40 PM

We dont have 3 items :

an Attacking midfielder who can design everything

2 very strong fullbacks



actually now we have none of the 3 and its a shame !

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 09:41 PM

So what have they done wrong exactly? Praising Abiatti's bravery for the way he deals with crosses? Saying Flamini' tackle was perfectly timed when VdV ended up on the floor?

Or is it because they said Spurs are doing better on and off the ball - which they are.
That Lennon has got the beating of Antonini? Which he has.
That were passing it around too slowly? Which we are.
Crouch causing problems early on by winning everything in the air? Which he was.

If this was an Italian broadcast nothing would be said. But God forbid English broadcasts say positive things about an English team. I've watched foreign broadcasts, they're just as bias, if not worse, so it's total BS.

If you don't like it, don't watch it. Simples.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 09:41 PM

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:42 PM

Well we're playing our last 2 mids standing and a defender in midfield Spurs have their problem but imo our are worse.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 09:42 PM

Of course we're going to defend our country when there's a scathing attack. If I watched Italian TV they'd be raving about Milan in all honesty.

I've never watched or heard of Malta TV so I can't pass judgement on what yours is like but I'm sure it would be similar.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 09:43 PM

Anyway, one of my mates is 6ft 8, perhaps I should point him towards the Milan team to play as CB for the 2nd leg.

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 09:44 PM

I'm listening to an Arabian guy speak,so yeah no bias.He praises everyone,with poetry and **** ;p.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 15 2011, 09:46 PM

C'mmon, let's focus on the important thing!

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 09:46 PM

Exactly.

Wilkins usually knows what he's talking about (having played for Milan) though people probably don't know that. It's just that he's trying to suck-up to Spurs because he probably wants the co-commentator role for future games (after the whole UK SkySports scandal). Therefore he doesn't want to sound anti-English!

Sorry, but we've been that bad that's why they are having a go at us.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:47 PM

Aside from all that, how come you don't mention all the little jabs they throw in at every opportunity, or the arrogant way they make such harmless comments make people want to puke.

Also it's not just me that has this oppinion of the English commentators. And it's not like you hear this only on Milanfan, and sure an Italian or Spanish commentator would favour his country's team, but not the way the English do. Also I have every right to watch an English commentary game that does not imply such BS. If that were the case then why bother broadcasting outside your country if you want to alienate the foreign viewers with such comments. I'm sure the people at sky do not think like you do

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 09:48 PM

PATO!

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Feb 15 2011, 09:49 PM

Disastrous first half, the only good point being it's still 0-0! We need to wake up and realise that this is a knockout stage now. We need to show the same level of urgency that Spurs have shown as they've been far and away the better side so far. We're better than this but we have to show it.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:49 PM

Actually the Italian commentary is not praising Milan I can assure you that. They do understand that it's their job and they should be professional. And how is it a scathing attack on your country?? We're only saying that someone you most probably don't know from Adam does not do his job as well as he should, ie. by being unbiased

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 15 2011, 09:50 PM

Once more, please get back to the main topic! Milan suck, that is...

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 09:51 PM

Pato!Let's rock!

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 09:51 PM

Anyway I'm going to watch Milan and not write a review on the English commentary - I'll look forward to the catch-up on it in the 2nd half

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 09:52 PM

pato for seedorf. now we need to see robinho put in a lot of running and pato will need to work hard and drop back too

Posted by: pedronell88 Feb 15 2011, 09:52 PM

Finally allegri does changes before the 80th minute

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 09:52 PM

like what?

Ray Wilkins has done nothing but praise Milan and basically apologises when he has anything remotely negative to say.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:54 PM

I'll get back to you on that. Got to watch the miracle that is Tottenham Hotspur

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 09:55 PM

Clearly a rubbish effort from Rafa there.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 09:56 PM

abate had a lot of time there but definitely a good change there. glad to see him getting in the game.


WOW. almost for yepes. good save by gomes

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 09:56 PM

Amazing header! Rubbish save from Gomes.

Much better from Milan.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:57 PM

Oh so close!!!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:57 PM

Now you're getting it!!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 09:58 PM

We need to get one in today, can't see us doing the business away

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 09:59 PM

Much Much better!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:00 PM

Silly foul.

Comfortable save.

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 10:01 PM

I don't even...

At least injure an important player if you're risking getting a red card.

Posted by: shevchenko_007 Feb 15 2011, 10:02 PM

Flamini is extremely lucky to still be on the field.
Amazing that seedorf goes off and now we look like champions!

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:02 PM

What a dive, Flamini didn't even make a tackle.

VDV should be sent off for punching every Milan player in the face.

Better start.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:03 PM

****, that was a bit lucky. Silly tackle.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:03 PM

Shouldn't have even been a booking, he dived.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 15 2011, 10:03 PM

Flamini is lucky it's not red. Stupid foul.

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 10:05 PM

Gattuso!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:05 PM

Rino smacks Jordan!

Brilliant.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 10:05 PM

stupid foul given the placement on the pitch but it was not red card worthy. he better have a broken ankle to warrant all the time stalling

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:05 PM

They better wach it

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 15 2011, 10:06 PM

Are you serious? He almost broke his leg.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:06 PM

Damn!

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 10:06 PM

OMG! SOOOO close by Yepes again

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:07 PM

Wasn't a foul. Barely touched him.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:07 PM

OMG!!! SCORE FFS!!!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:08 PM

Modric for VdV.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 10:08 PM

**** modric in. but at least VDV is gone

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:08 PM

VDV off

I know for Modric, but take VDV off? Time to win.

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 10:08 PM

Jack Bauer:Milan are Brilliant:Is using Irony to prove his point
Or just to be funny ;p

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:09 PM

Oh oh, Modric on at least it's for VDV

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:09 PM

Pato has been our best player, and he's only been playing for 15 minutes!

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 10:10 PM

Pato looking good btw

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:11 PM

Whoever questions Pato's workrate, this is your answer. He's the one who has woken up the team

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:11 PM

No matter what was said at HT.

+ 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 10:12 PM

shows great things about his character for the future

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:12 PM

Pato dangerous again, another corner!

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 10:13 PM

corner city here in the 2nd half

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:15 PM

Rino needs to get a grip before he sees red.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:15 PM

Spurs trying to waste time from the 60th minute

We need to make one of these corners count

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:15 PM

Just don't concede the away goal, please.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:16 PM

Crouchy is obviously saying come nice things to Rino. Going to turn ugly between the 2

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:16 PM

Flamini' lucky again. Him and Rino need to be very careful.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:17 PM

Rino letting Crouch get to him. He's going to get it if he doesn't watch it

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:18 PM

The @ss saves them there

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:21 PM

Gattuso misses 2nd leg. Good stuff.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 10:21 PM

damn it gattuso

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:22 PM

Rino out of 2nd leg.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:25 PM

1 way traffic at the minute! COME ON!

Posted by: Locke Lamora Feb 15 2011, 10:26 PM

Down and out.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:26 PM

****

Tie all over.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 10:26 PM

**** **** ****

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:26 PM

****!

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 15 2011, 10:26 PM

F@ck F@ck F@ck F@ck F@ck F@ck F@ck F@ck

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:27 PM

Awful from Yepes, awful.

Posted by: Warchant Feb 15 2011, 10:27 PM

awful

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:28 PM

How could we let that happen, they knew the dangour of the counter.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:28 PM

That's why Yepes shouldn't be playing such games and why Thiago should have started in defense Allegri.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:28 PM

Oh dear. The 2nd leg is going to be painful, counter attacking us 24/7. Well try again next year.

Posted by: shevchenko_007 Feb 15 2011, 10:29 PM

Thiago would have got beaten there as well. Not yepes's fault.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:30 PM

We let f'ing Crouch score on us!!!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:32 PM

Yep. We could really get humiliated at Shite Hart Lane unless we score early.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:33 PM

Looks like all the fight has died out of them

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:34 PM

Think we're as good as out now. When we went to Munich that was an easier task, simply because of Spurs pace and the fact they will counter attack us 24/7 and they will have the kick and run specialist.

Posted by: MizNelson Feb 15 2011, 10:35 PM

...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:36 PM

4 added minutes!?

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:37 PM

Oh and ffs don't watch the 2nd leg on our coverage because it will be ITV, you think this is biased, you've got another thing coming. Only foreign clubs they like are Barca and Madrid, that's it.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:38 PM

4 minutes??! What is this ref smoking??!!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:40 PM

Yep.

Still can't believe it. Better in the 2nd half but most of our chances were from corners. We have done nothing from open play all game.

Posted by: Locke Lamora Feb 15 2011, 10:40 PM

...

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:40 PM

WTF?!!!

Posted by: Kourosh Feb 15 2011, 10:41 PM

Guys, we are in deep ****.

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 10:41 PM

What?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:41 PM

Damn, good decision from the official.

0-1. ****.

Posted by: armiss Feb 15 2011, 10:41 PM

We are still an incomplete team and THAT IS TRUTH !

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:42 PM

F**************

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 10:42 PM

Gattuso is pathetic.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:42 PM

Come on Gattuso smash him

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 10:43 PM

Meh,it wasn't that big of a push grrrrr(He could have let it pass(Berlu )

Posted by: mishie Feb 15 2011, 10:43 PM

AWFUL!!!!!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 10:44 PM

Goal or not, we still have the same amount of work to do in the 2nd leg. Players knew they would counter us, we shouldn't have camped out in their half with only 2 players covering. Were always in danger of getting caught out and that is what happened.

Allegri showed what a rookie he really is imo. Some terrible decisions from the start.

Hopefully we'll have Boateng for the next game and maybe Zambrotta

Posted by: Locke Lamora Feb 15 2011, 10:44 PM

Seriously Gattuso... I hate Tottenham as much as anyone, but what WAS that???

Posted by: Warchant Feb 15 2011, 10:44 PM

1) maybe one of the worst matches i've seen us play in the CL. we looked like we had no idea what we were doing.

2) gattuso should never ever ever ever be selected for our captain again.

3) i think boateng and/or pirlo would've been good to have in this game.

4) 2 great saves by Gomez. both should've gone in

Posted by: jagar Feb 15 2011, 10:44 PM

1 That damn goal shoulda stood
2 FSC commentators should die

Posted by: Ry4n Feb 15 2011, 10:47 PM

Nesta for Captain please we need cool heads....espcially in these moments

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 10:48 PM

Cesare Maldini rant on Gattuso.

Posted by: armiss Feb 15 2011, 10:48 PM

With so many troubles this season and our very weak fullbacks and in center of the ground without any star i admire Allegri work so much specially our second half , i think with a good market on the summer he will dominate europe !!

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 15 2011, 10:48 PM

Just disgraceful for a club like Milan to lose like this at home to a team like Spurs.

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 10:51 PM

You want to talk about professional:Listen to Cesare Maldini.

Posted by: Locke Lamora Feb 15 2011, 10:53 PM

Captain order from now on:

Ambrosini
Pirlo
Abbiati
Inzaghi (just for the hell of it)

Posted by: pacang Feb 15 2011, 10:53 PM

last couple of games, the team has been depending on Cassano to get them ahead.. tonight that mentality backfires

btw, who's that commentator? all praises for spurs and bad impressions on milan.. that's who gattuso should be aiming for

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 15 2011, 10:54 PM

I hope we dont mess up in serie A.....

Posted by: Ry4n Feb 15 2011, 10:54 PM

What's he saying it's in Arabic on Jazeera here

Posted by: acid911 Feb 15 2011, 10:54 PM

Hoover Damn! What a bummer. I've got burgers coming out of my throat. What in blue blazes was that?!

Posted by: dst Feb 15 2011, 10:54 PM

awful and painful to watch. I'm actually glad we lost the way we played and with that attitude.

we were so bad overall that Abate actually looked good! there can't be a more telling fact...

Gattuso was awful. I've never liked his temper but at least a couple of years ago he could control it. I don't know what Tottenham's assistant coach told him and I don't care. He should not have pushed him like that grabbing his neck. I don't know if it's because he got older or because he's now captain and wants people to know... this display alone should guarantee he does not get the armband next season.

Flamini's tackle was awful. Definite red card.

The ref was awful.

The crowd was awful. Whistling and yelling for the biggest part of the game and silenced by 6K or so Spurs fans.

Ibra was awful. As always... in a big game.

Ibra's nose was awful. As always... .

Allegri was awful. How can you expect the likes of Gattuso and Flamini to be playmakers?

... deserved win for Tottenham.

Sh** Fu** Sh** Fu**

thank Maldini for Nesta... he was the only classy man on our side tonight.

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 10:56 PM

?Yeah,someone translates for him.




lol'd

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 10:56 PM

Liked Pato tonight, everyone else was pathetic. To think players like Sheva, Rui Costa, Maldini etc used to play for us and we turn into a dirty mob

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 10:56 PM

First off. Anyone complaining about the 'bias' of the broadcast, then saying our 'goal' should have stood.. fucking hypocritres.

Secondly, it's not over. We're only 1-0 down and there's no reason for us to go out and attack too much at Shite Hart Lane. Remain respoinsible at the back, don't overly commit today like we did for their goal and a goal is going to come. There is no way we go 2 games against Spurs without scoring, so just play the 2nd leg like any other game.

An early goal and they'll start to panic. It's not over, FAR from it. Forza Milan.

Posted by: Ry4n Feb 15 2011, 10:58 PM

of course they do but its still comming out arabic when he speaks italian can you understand what he's saying if so can you tell us please.

Posted by: Kourosh Feb 15 2011, 10:59 PM

God, I can't believe we lost. Would have preferred being ***** by a seagull.

I knew we didn't have any real chance in CL, we were going to get eliminated ultimately, but not in this round, just not this English team with those commentators.

Posted by: mishie Feb 15 2011, 11:00 PM

the back 4 was mostly a back 5 with Thiago constently dropping in between nesta and yepes, rino and the frenchmen had the imagination of someone with mental problems...ie retarded, the player that once was seedorf was exactly that a former player, zlatan and robinho looked dis-interested and only pato looked like doing anything. BUT in we have any excuse (which we don't really) our 2 best players out injured and cup tied so all in all we're buggered!
lets concentrate on the league

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 11:03 PM

First off, I hate England, now I'll continue...

Like the optimism, but I can't see it this time Zlatan has some sort of curse when it comes to English clubs he might as well stay in Milan. Robinho couldn't even out strength Assou-Ekkoto (spelling). The only one who could do something is Pato. Though, our midfield I don't know if they will be able to handle them.

As well as being White Hart Lane which is a big factor. Plus, they will have Bale & a fully-fit Modric.

It will be harder than Bayern Munich in 07.

Posted by: mishie Feb 15 2011, 11:05 PM

+1

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 11:05 PM

Our gaol could have gone either way, we've seen them given before... Anyways, not going to talk much about it, imo goal or not, we still have just as much to do. they have the away goal, had we scored, we'd still have gone into the second leg essentially a goal down, we deserved it for the mentality we put out there.

Having said that, I agree with what you're saying about staying calm and playing our game when we're away, and I would have had confidence had this been just a couple of years ago under Carlo. If that guy didn't do anything right, he knew how to play these ties like a charm. Allegri imo is the real problem, just like Leo was last season in the CL. His decisions tonight were terrible, and even more terrible was the mindset in which the team came out tonight.

Playing Thiago in midfield, makinf Rino and Flamini act like some sort of psuedo box-to-xo/playmakers was even more idiotic. Benching Pato?? Enough said!

Personally I have no faith in us doing the business away. Allegri just does not have what it takes for the CL, we'll go into that game with the entire wrong gameplan, we used to play those away ties like a charm back in the day, this time, I can see us trying to camp in Spurs' half like we did today and getting constantly caught out. We just do not play a smart game under Allegri.

And with the amount of injury problems we have in the midfield and will still have when the 2nd leg comes around I really can't see us doing anything more this year.

The only time I ever miss Carlo is when it comes to the CL and Allegri has proved again why that is.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 15 2011, 11:05 PM

We should not hesitate to do much needed changes in the summer, like to say goodbye to Rino and Seedorf.

Posted by: mishie Feb 15 2011, 11:10 PM

it's a learning process for the coach, but yes i do agree we lost the game through essentally playing with no creation in the middle of the park....the frenchmen isn't and never was good enough and tonight proved that he should go back to the EPL where they like rugby tackles on a football pitch.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 15 2011, 11:12 PM

It's not like we had many good options on the bench with Prlo, Ambrosini and Boateng out.

Posted by: mishie Feb 15 2011, 11:13 PM

Merkel even Strausser and Verdi maybe worth a chance at least on the bench!?!?!?!

Posted by: dst Feb 15 2011, 11:13 PM

it was a foul for a push and an offside... how was it a goal?


God's father is a God... (by definition? )


how can you think about next season when you've just seen that?


I don't care so much about losing... I did not think we would go through and I don't think we will now... but that attitude was disgusting, I never wanted to see this in Milan.


Yes, Pato was good. I don't understand why Seedorf started and he did not and I'm not saying that in hindsight; it's obvious you're not going to stop a young and energetic team with Seedorf. What has Pato done so wrong this season that everyone is criticizing him? All because our savior Ibra does not like him?


wow I did not expect you of all people to be optimistic! (second time this has happened though maybe I should learn)


I was unsure when I quoted you, I get it now.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 11:14 PM

Agreed.

We were better in the 2nd half but still struggled to create. Pato and Robinho kept going wide and Zlatan was up front.. who in midfield was going to create anything? Flamini and Rino aren't going to make a defense breaking pass (I'm sure some will point out his pass against Parma though!) and Thiago was playing very deep. We needed Pirlo today, especially once Seedorf went off.

Posted by: dst Feb 15 2011, 11:15 PM

I'm not excusing our behavior though it has to be said that both Palacios and Sandro were playing a very dirty game!

Posted by: pacang Feb 15 2011, 11:18 PM

no english team has won at San Siro against milan before arsenal did it 3 seasons ago.. and then man utd.. and now spurs..

ah, missed those glory days..

Posted by: William405 Feb 15 2011, 11:18 PM

Ah,yeah I know Arabic.


First,he congratulated Tottenham on their good performance.

Cesare went to rant on Gattuso.

He said,that Milan staff should take action,and he had never seen this kind of thing happened in Milan.He also said that Gattuso corrupted Milan's reputation.Blabala

I don't remember for now

Also,loloo.Ibra said that his goal was offside.Then the commentator said "I think it was a foul",then Ibra said "No no,I think it was an offside"

Ibra also said that he isn't satisfied of his performance,and said that it's his mentality,not to be satisfied/happy with performance...

Allegri said that even if he'd play the same match over again,he'd put the same players on the field.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 11:18 PM

+1

gatusso had so much space on the ball that if he had the skills of even a primavera player he could have at least set up a couple chances. we really miss pirlo. even having boateng instead of flamini or gattuso could have made the difference. zero creativity in the midfield doomed us

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 11:19 PM

Yeah and the English league is just an overhyped, biased, cheating, dirty, fixed, corrupt league. Ridiculous.

Posted by: mishie Feb 15 2011, 11:21 PM

Are you being serious?

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 11:23 PM

The parma pass was a fluke, even Rino himself scratched his head after that one.

Imo the management have made it clear what they're after this season, which is the league, we're depending on Cassano a lot in the league, so does Ibra who looks lost without him. Van Bommel as well has come in and taken a lot of the workload from the midfield, and both players are cup tied. Suddenly we have to play such a big match without them, and at to that t we didn't have either Pirlo or Boateng.

Imo missing Pirlo as you said was our undoing, relying on Flamini and Rino is my biggest pet peeve when it comes to Allegri, he just likes to stick in as many distructive players as he can at one go, see what the strikers can do with the constant long balls.

Next game Allegri seriously needs to get his act together, stop this little experiment with Thiago in the midfield, play Pato and not let petty differences influence his decision and really get his team to play and not come out with an already won mind set. Imo the players defeated themselves today not Spurs, who had an admittedly good start for 30 minutes or so but the rest was all Milan.

The fatal mistake was in how we tried to get the goal, it was ametourish at best.

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 15 2011, 11:23 PM

No, he meant to add arrogance and bad teeth to the list too.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 11:25 PM

No-ones English in it though, the only reason it's doing well is because it's 99.9% foreigners.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 11:25 PM

That's why the little pr!ck is making me dislike him as every week passes. Learn from your mistakes man!! You were clearly in the wrong today, admit it!!!

And now we're just seeing why we have very little chance of going through this tie, because of this guy right here

Posted by: Dracoris Feb 15 2011, 11:27 PM

Tough one to swallow. Tottenham played well, but I never felt like they earned a goal in the second half, and I wish we could have thrown a goal in there somewhere but it was not to be. I felt like 0-0 would've been the fair result.


I can't take watching that stupid game with those commentators, I wanted to puke they were so bias.

Posted by: mishie Feb 15 2011, 11:27 PM

to be fair tho how many coaches after a game come out i say...yep my mistake i fucked up!....none..he's saying what he's saying for the players benefit thats all

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 11:29 PM

Yeah, I'd have to agree with all of this.

If Max did say he would play the same XI if he got to play this match over, it's a little worrying..



You'd be arrogant if you were English too, it's hard not to be when you're better than everyone else.

(THIS IS A JOKE! DO NOT TAKE SERIOUSLY. IT'S A JOKE!)

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 15 2011, 11:35 PM

My friend, this really isn't true. We're Milanista here and all disappointed, but honestly, that slimy b'stard did not deserve to score and win.

Talkin' about bias, you should hear the Croatian commentary; Spurs fan from moment one.
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But we should not be upset. Our team does not have what it takes to win the CL or even go far to a later stage.
Many said we're still Milan and we pulled off some sensations before, or mention Bayern last season - but they forget - we don't have the coach to take us far, and we don't have the squad for it. For christ sake, why make a fuss out of nothing! We don't have a mastermind coach (and give him a slack, he's still young and that's his CL debut, we really should understand that and stop compare him to Ancelotti!) and we lack any alternates in attack!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 11:38 PM

Yeah, but he never admits to makinga mistake does he, whether it comes to chosen players, subs or the way the team sets up. It's always we we we never I should have done this differently, etc.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 15 2011, 11:39 PM

I really think it has more to do with our injuries than coaching. Do any of you really think the result would be the same with a Boa-Pirlo-Flamini midfield from the start?

Posted by: mishie Feb 15 2011, 11:40 PM

foe me the attack isn't the problem its the loss of Pirlo...even Boateng gives us pace and energy..something we soooooo lacked tonight. there was a passage of play in the last 5 minutes of the 1st half were we moved the ball about with speed and precision and spurs looked lost...if we can do that for a sustained period of time then we may get something out of the game at their place.
but how do you replace Pirlo when he's out....impossible i say

Posted by: mishie Feb 15 2011, 11:43 PM

i never admit to making a mistake either...it's human nature and after all when you're in charge of one of the most prestige clubs in the world admitting to making a mistake make you look amatuerish at best...not suiting of the position he holds

Posted by: han2503 Feb 15 2011, 11:48 PM

Sorry but cannot really believe that, we've seen great coaches in the past admitting that they made a mistake. Sure Allegri won't say that he should have left Seedorf on the bench because he was awful, we'll see what he does next weekend, and most importantly in the 2nd leg.

He's screwed up the CL, if he manages to somehow screw up the league, it will be the end of him as Milan coach. And personally I would really like to see us getting someone experianced. These last 3 exits have been painful to watch. Arsenal and Man U I'd understand, but Tottenham?? And to a Peter - Robot Dance - Crouch?? FFS! Unacceptable

Posted by: dst Feb 15 2011, 11:49 PM

I doubt Milan are going to do anything about that.

It has never happened in Milan before that's true.

I don't think Milan had a good reputation before anyway... none Italian team does. But this surely made it worse.


Isn't someone that makes the same mistakes over and over again the definition of stupid? But as mishie said above he was probably defending his players with that.


No one read that last sentence... and no one will now that's it's been re-posted!


Personally I'm not upset because we lost. For me this is my worst day as a Milan fan in terms of our display on the field... that attitude was loathsome... I'd take losing 4-0 to Inter to this any day!

Posted by: shevchenko_007 Feb 15 2011, 11:49 PM

I will not give him any slack. Have you forgotten that this is Tottenham's CL debut as well and they beaten Inter, topped their group and now have beaten us at home. So what does the fact that it's a debut season have to do with anything?? Absolutely nothing.
Hardly any, if any, of their players have any CL experience so they should have no right beating us at home. Poor result for the coach and the players. Both are to blame.

Posted by: mishie Feb 15 2011, 11:52 PM

ahhhh that's my point...a great coach can admit a mistake because he has respect...Allegri isn't a great coach (yet?) so i don't believe he's in a position to admit mistakes...but you don't have to be a tactical genius to see he got in very very wrong tonight

Posted by: dst Feb 15 2011, 11:52 PM

the difference is shown in your last sentence... and the difference is that Milan are supposed to win, that's why it matters that it was Allegri's CL knockout stage debut.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 15 2011, 11:54 PM

+1

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 16 2011, 12:04 AM

The most disgusting display I have ever seen from my Milan !

Cesare Maldini: "..I have been with Milan for 40 years, never once has something like this happened .. Never once has such an unethical behavior happened by anyone representing Milan."


Gattuso's conduct and representation of my club is unacceptable.. I demand immediate termination of his contract. And those who claim Flamini is better; his yellow card should have been a red card!

Never once, not under any of Allegri's predecessors tolerated such conduct. He is not capable of managing this team! He is weak in the head, I do not care what position we are in the league, nor do I expect to proceed to the later stages of the Champions .. Allegri is to be held accountable for allowing Gattuso to continue dragging Milan's image to the ground. You loose some, you win some .. this is football. Spurs played better, they played with a cool mind-set, they took a 0-1 from the San Siro, but the tie is not over ... There is still a second leg and despite the disadvantage of our position in this tie .. Who knows, there is still another 90 minutes to go. I don't care if the ref favored one side over the other as well, I expect Milan to loose in the Champions, I expect Milan to slip from 1st place ... But never could I expect such disgrace.


Should I go on?

Excuses aside, Tottenham are a very good team. Not because of today's result, but the 4-4-1-1 tactics was the catalyst to their sharp display. Milan looked like Cagliari in the belly of one of the Premiere League's finest. This is the time you sit back and reminisce on those days when even if Milan does not win the league, still Milan is represented by gentlemen. Not thugs! Once upon a time .. Carlo Ancelotti

Posted by: dst Feb 16 2011, 12:09 AM

All true. But not just under Ancelotti... this never happened before him either. I don't expect Milan to terminate Gattuso's contract nor do I expect Allegri to get fired. But I want something to be done about Gattuso in particular. He must not wear the armband again at the very least. It would be a great move from the management. I take pride in my team being classy. This feels as bad as Istanbul... and I never though I'd say that.

Posted by: Boban10 Feb 16 2011, 12:23 AM

I have read enough. I could not give two hoots about "the champions league" this season, all i want this season is serie A title! The way the transfers have gone this year, the way it looks as tho we are trying to build for the future it seems the management are thinking same way.... CL is great for money but it does not hold the prestige of the OLD European Cup. Both CL and Europa league are just about making money, and focusing on tournaments like this is detrimental to football as a whole.

How can you call it champions league when there are more 2nd, 3rd and 4th placed teams in their respective leagues involved in the comp?

BRB gotta puke at the banality of it all.

Aw thats better.... TV, Media, Press tell us what is important in football, and i am done bowing to bearded twats in boiler suits telling me how i should live my life. Serie A comes first.....if we can also win Coppa Italia i will be ecstatic, CL is third on my list and i will tell you why!

In my lifetime as a fan and follower of The Rossoneri, i want to wear a shirt with two stars on it!!! I also want my young son to wear that shirt with two stars on it, and i want him to grow up watching football that is skillfull, tactical and exciting.

Forza Milan!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 16 2011, 12:39 AM

You know, I thought I was the only one.

Agree 100%.

Posted by: dst Feb 16 2011, 01:20 AM

I instantly thought of you when I read it because you've said that many times before.

but I really don't get it... to me it's just a name... it does not have a league format either... so what? these are the best teams in Europe that take part in the CL in my view. would it be any different if it was called the "champions and 2-4th placed teams cup"?

and I've said it before but I'd take a CL victory over not just one but two league wins. Though I'd prefer the scudetto this season - not that we ever had a chance on the CL.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 16 2011, 01:20 AM

Link: http://football-italia.net/feb15x.html

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 16 2011, 01:29 AM

I don't know if the viewpoint from the stadium is different, but I thought in the second half we dominated Tottenham. What we lacked though, was creativity, and I blame Allegri for that. His decisions were completely erratic. Yepes performs well against Serie A teams, but against fast-paced teams he's useless. His tackle on Lennon in Tottenham's goal was unnecessary and plain embarrassing. Moreover, Thiago, Flamini and Gattuso in midfield created jacksh*t, and Seedorf's pitiful performance didn't help either. Pato's entrance in the second half changed things a bit, but we barely created 2-3 real opportunities, all from corner kicks. This game reminded me of Inter-Milan of last season (when Sneijder got sent off). We literally dominated in the second half, but didn't create anything and ended up losing.

GODDAMNIT!!!

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 16 2011, 03:39 AM

Thank you!!! Antonini and Abate held up alot better then anyone could have expected. They were flying and intercepting left and right. Antonini was never going to lunge at Lennon at risk getting smoked. He actually forced alot of crappy crosses from Lennon. There is no shame in playing the 1/2y technique if you don't allow a good cross through. Abate had a great grasp of positioning when launching the counters. Problem is nobody saw him going forward. I can honestly say with another year under their belts they can be very important to this team.

Captaincy list
Nesta
Pirlo
Abbiati
...
...
...
Strasser
Berlusconi
The water boy
Oddo
that dude in the 3rd row with a maldini jersey
Tie : bonnera-That serbian psycho that shutdown the italy-serbia match-Ambro-Rino


Max did the best thing he could without a creator in midfield. All this squad has to offer in that department is Pirlo. Allegri deserves praise for taking one of the best CBs in the world and placing him into midfield to add a second great passer to the midfield. Thiago's passing IMO ranks ahead of all but Pirlo's out of our non-forwards. We all knew this team team had only 1 type of mid at the beginning of the year. Slow, out of touch, unoriginal, Reckless players (again with the exception of pirlo). Galliani only got him cup tied solutions. With 45963405 injuries in midfield already + cup tied players, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DID HE HAVE?!

agaisnt a countering team like Spurs, we needed Seedorf-like players to hold possesion, force them into making mistakes and place that killer ball . How is it Allegri's fault if a well rested Seedorf plays like a USELESS DUD!!! Allegri knew what he knew, and knew what he didn't. He left it up to veterans who had been there and acheived everything, as many before him had. The fact that management felt sentimental and kept the older "pulp" of the team is not Max' fault. The only flexibility he had was Seedorf or Merkel, which many would agree, the right choice was made as Robinho's doesn't have the patience or through-ball skills to really excel in that role.


In ac milan
~PLAYERS > Coach
~Coach putting his trust into his players > not
~showing signs of uncertanty towards your own tactics > making it sound like your a fish out of water


Agreed, Max has the utmost confidence in Boa. Which was actually met with critisicm on MF when he played him as a Trequie, a role which he's scored and made some noice at.


Emauelson + Boatang will add much needed speed next year's CL round


You blame Alegri for not making the only mids he had (Rino, Flamini, seedorf) have great, creating performances?

Yepes was MotM IMO. Not to blame for missing Lennon.

How can you expect dogs to be birds, only to get mad at the results?

Posted by: drucurl Feb 16 2011, 03:43 AM

I remember voicing my concerns about Allegri and was run out of town

I think it's a tragedy that Milan has players like Ibra, Cassano and Van Bommel on their roster....but tonight, Gattuso, one of our suppoed senatore put them all to shame...The very identity of Milan is under threat and a LARGE share of the blame MUST fall in the lap of ALLEGRI.

Aside from the TEAM assuming the very personality of Ibra himself, we have sunk to new depths by no longer being compatible with different types of talent. I don't care who disagrees but Allegri NEVER understood Ronaldinho....all of the NONSENSE that he wasn't working well in training etc etc was simply the wallpaper he applied to the cracks in his coaching. I fear the same fate may await Pato as well

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 16 2011, 03:59 AM

I think you might have been watching Valencia-Schalke and got somehow confused with the colors and names. No way in hell Abate and Antonini are Milan quality, especially Antonini. He was inexistent in the first half, and Lennon got past him three times in a row. Offensively, he's mediocre, and defensively he gets dribbled way too easily. Abate did somewhat better, but again, not Milan quality.

Yepes didn't have a bad game, but he practically laid a red carpet to Lennon in their goal. Had it been Thiago, Lennon would have never made that assist to Crouch.

Allegri made the wrong decisions because he's too inflexible in his approach. He's incapable of making changes to our playing system when certain key players are missing. Why opt for a 3-man midfield when you have available only two midfielders? Why play Gattuso and Flamini as box-to-box, when they're clearly incapable of such playing style? Why bench Pato? Given our absences, and given the players at disposal, Allegri should showed some balls and played a 4-2-1-3. Gattuso and Flamini in front of the defense doing what they do best, winning balls. Seedorf as deep-lying trequartista, with Robinho and Pato on the wings. I can't tell you whether we would have won or not, but at least we would have played a much better football than we did tonight.

Posted by: Darunia Feb 16 2011, 05:16 AM

Thiago is one of the few people who would have made that tackle on Lennon. Why is Ibra not getting flack for making that awful pass to start the counterattack? It wasn't Yepes fault, plus he was already on a yellow. Nesta wouldn't have done any better in that situation... 1 on 1 with Lennon, one of the paciest players in the world, is not something you should leave your CB in ..

Posted by: MizNelson Feb 16 2011, 06:54 AM

Local sports talk host right now (KNBR 1050 AM) is currently talking about the Gattuso headbutt. You know it's a big deal when something like that happens.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 16 2011, 10:25 AM

Isn't that reason enough?! First he plucked off Ronaldinho (his stupid salary was another reason, I agree), and now he is after Pato. Ibra plays along with Robinho because he is a nobody (I'll never rate this bird-head even 10% of the guys like R80 and Pato, never once has he shown himself in big games consistently).

Fact is that Ibrahimović likes to be the biggest fish in the pond. And the tag-along Allegri is with him.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 16 2011, 10:41 AM

I honestly don't get the Ibra doesn't like Pato gag. It's just something the crazy media came up with to have something to talk about negative, since at one point we were marching away to glory in the Serie A race. And we eat it up like sardines??!!

It's no secret that our best performing trident is Ibra-Cassano-Robinho. ANd that's not coz of some stupid reason like Allegri/Ibra doesn't like Pato. It's common sense.

One technical big man forward, one brilliant visionary of an SS and one effervescent CAM. If you want you can replace Ibra with Pato and I assume it would also be good. But that begs the age-old question why bench the man in form?



Secondly, Ibra is not showing up in big games?? And yet we call him the saviour? He dragged us through the group stages with his goals. He even 'scored' yesterday. It's I think a simple case of him being damned by his reputation...when the simple truth is like Beckham, like Ronaldo and dare I say like Cassano he has integrated himself well into the unit. Is he a dyed-in-wool rossoneri? No. But he's working his @ss off for the team, just like Robinho. I remember the image of a dehydrated Ibra, puking out there on the pitch after a match. He's left everything out there. ANd we can only say,"Oh that boy is trouble!!"

Finally on Pato....he came back from injury, I doubt his fitness and perhaps playing him from minute 1 and having him run around is not the best option I feel. As for playing with Ibra, he's already scored quite a few off Ibra's assists I think. And last evening when he came on, the grit, the resolve he showed is an aspect of him I've never seen before. He wanted to get involved with a passion and I think that's a great thing to see.

Sometimes benching a player can improve him. And I prefer to believe it when Allegri says it's tactical rather than personal. Pato himself has said he's happy here.

Finally Allegri's 'mistreatment' of R80. The new formation did not suit him. We got scrweed by Madrid primarily because we could not be compact with R80 in there. And his lack of propensity to track back and scrum it out meant the team as a whole were suffering. Ultimately, he lacked the motivation to change himself or to train when he couldn't play in the first XI, so he left.

And it's not like the team has been worse off for it.