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post Jun 24 2014, 08:44 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Jun 24 2014, 11:40 PM) *
I couldn't agree less, I don't think they played for the draw at all. They were the better team in the first half (or maybe I should say, the least bad team) and were looking for a goal. Obviously, they were never going to risk and concede I think the tactics were sound overall but they clearly lack quality upfront.


They created nothing. they were in control, but were going for the draw the way they were playing. was that how they were gonna challenge for the world cup? they failed in their first real test which wasn't even this game.

On a brighter note, I'm glad Pirlo's NT career ended like this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jun 24 2014, 08:44 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 24 2014, 07:39 PM) *
I'd find it very strange were the FIGC not to accept his resignation at this point


They've said they hope he rescinds it. They don't want him to go.

As for Suarez, the guy continues to have this bizarre mental health issue where, apparently, he cannot help biting people. That requires genuine therapy, because he doesn't appear to be doing something he actually WANTS to do. Uruguay were in a good position, he was behind Chiellini in the box with the move building up momentum and there was no motivation to bite him. It seems to be some kind of cognitively bound process that he has no control of. I am not justifying the behaviour, just explaining it.

If he was a violent man he'd have kicked him, punched him, headbutted him. But no, it's a bite.

Needs therapy to remove that, CBT being the most obvious.

As for banning him, I think FIFA will be well aware Suarez is profitable to the world cup, and he'll be let off with a warning. From a selfish point of view that's preferable to me, but I accept he should be banned.
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post Jun 24 2014, 08:47 PM
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This place is so biased, I'm done.

Marchisio is hard done by? Studs the guy on the knee, whilst walking at slow-motion which is apparently an act of pivoting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Pepe on the other hand when the ball is bouncing, makes same amount of contact? Definite red.

It can't be downright stupidity, it has to be bias.
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post Jun 24 2014, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 24 2014, 07:44 PM) *
They created nothing. they were in control, but were going for the draw the way they were playing. was that how they were gonna challenge for the world cup? they failed in their first real test which wasn't even this game.

On a brighter note, I'm glad Pirlo's NT career ended like this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


DST and I agree on nothing tonight, and this appears to be a continuation of that. To suggest Italy were any bad or less worse than Uruguay is bias beyond belief. Italy were shambolic and even X-Off, a big fan, suggested it himself.

As for Uruguay, their plan, which I stated beforehand, worked perfectly. I believed they'd contain and stifle till about 60 minutes before starting to up the ante. Italy were in the terrible position of needing a draw, and Uruguay are far better chasing for a goal than they are defending what they have. That's something Italy used to be good at but are now a travesty.

Italy, Spain, England - all deservedly kicked out at the group stage. They're just not good enough any more (never really were in England's case), and their leagues, historically the best, are a major reason why.
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post Jun 24 2014, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 24 2014, 08:44 PM) *
They've said they hope he rescinds it. They don't want him to go.

As for Suarez, the guy continues to have this bizarre mental health issue where, apparently, he cannot help biting people. That requires genuine therapy, because he doesn't appear to be doing something he actually WANTS to do. Uruguay were in a good position, he was behind Chiellini in the box with the move building up momentum and there was no motivation to bite him. It seems to be some kind of cognitively bound process that he has no control of. I am not justifying the behaviour, just explaining it.

If he was a violent man he'd have kicked him, punched him, headbutted him. But no, it's a bite.

Needs therapy to remove that, CBT being the most obvious.

As for banning him, I think FIFA will be well aware Suarez is profitable to the world cup, and he'll be let off with a warning. From a selfish point of view that's preferable to me, but I accept he should be banned.

What? Come on!! He's grown @ss man who should know better! Trying to pin his biting on some strange mental issue is just going above and beyond! He goes for biting because he thinks he can get away with it if he does it at the right angle to hide his actions! And personally I'd list biting as the highest form of violence someone could resort to. It's what ANIMALS do FFS!!

And if FIFA want to preserve any fake creditability that they have left they simply have to ban him.
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post Jun 24 2014, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 24 2014, 09:38 PM) *
Dignified and correct unlike Hodgson who's managing to make England worse than Taylor or MacLaren ever did. But Prandelli hasn't resigned, he's only offered it. Not yet accepted.

I don't know, McLaren didn't even qualify and had no plan in his team. At least Hodgson's picked young players and qualified.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 24 2014, 08:47 PM) *
DST and I agree on nothing tonight, and this appears to be a continuation of that. To suggest Italy were any bad or less worse than Uruguay is bias beyond belief. Italy were shambolic and even X-Off, a big fan, suggested it himself.

As for Uruguay, their plan, which I stated beforehand, worked perfectly. I believed they'd contain and stifle till about 60 minutes before starting to up the ante. Italy were in the terrible position of needing a draw, and Uruguay are far better chasing for a goal than they are defending what they have. That's something Italy used to be good at but are now a travesty.

Italy, Spain, England - all deservedly kicked out at the group stage. They're just not good enough any more (never really were in England's case), and their leagues, historically the best, are a major reason why.

How can you say their plan worked perfectly?

Before Marchisio was sent off they looked like they had zero clue and a goal would have never come if they'd played for days out there.

The entire shade of the game was helped on by the referee when he wrongfully forced Italy to play with 10 men for an entire half and then not sending off Suarez when the game was still at 0-0.

I've reiterated multiple time that Italy didn't show enough, but there is no way anyone can justify the ref's decisions or try to say that Uruguay were the better side, they weren't even doing anything when they had the man advantage FFS

Also the game against Costa Rica showed that Uruguay are absolutely AWFUL at chasing te game, don't know where you got that from. They're best at defending a lead and hitting on the break

Also, the majority of these South Americans PLAY in the leagues that you're blaming for the underperformance of the Europeans, so that's an non-issue imo
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post Jun 24 2014, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 24 2014, 07:49 PM) *
What? Come on!! He's grown @ss man who should know better! Trying to pin his biting on some strange mental issue is just going above and beyond! He goes for biting because he thinks he can get away with it if he does it at the right angle to hide his actions! And personally I'd list biting as the highest form of violence someone could resort to. It's what ANIMALS do FFS!!


Which part of 'he didn't need to hurt Chiellini in any way' did you miss? The move was building nicely, he was in a good position. Why the f*ck would he WANT to bite a defender?!

Er, as for the 'get away with it' he's been banned for 10 games because of it!

Would you keep committing a crime if you kept being punished? Only if you had a mental issue, maybe.

The fact you think he actually WANTS to bite people suggests you have a real black and white view on human behaviour.
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post Jun 24 2014, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 24 2014, 07:51 PM) *
How can you say their plan worked perfectly?


They won.

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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 24 2014, 07:49 PM) *
I don't know, McLaren didn't even qualify and had no plan in his team. At least Hodgson's picked young players and qualified.


And failed to get out the group for the first time since 1958. That's...ghastly tbh.

That said I did predict Italy and Uruguay so personally I gave England no hope anyway.
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post Jun 24 2014, 08:55 PM
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Surely Suarez will at least get a one match ban. what message would FIFA be sending if they ignored this??

With so many SA teams in the KO stages it could get out of hand.
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post Jun 24 2014, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 24 2014, 09:55 PM) *
With so many SA teams in the KO stages it could get out of hand.

Nah.

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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 24 2014, 08:52 PM) *
Which part of 'he didn't need to hurt Chiellini in any way' did you miss? The move was building nicely, he was in a good position. Why the f*ck would he WANT to bite a defender?!

Er, as for the 'get away with it' he's been banned for 10 games because of it!

Would you keep committing a crime if you kept being punished? Only if you had a mental issue, maybe.

The fact you think he actually WANTS to bite people suggests you have a real black and white view on human behaviour.

What does that have to do with it? He was obviously trying to provoke Chiellini into either hitting him or putting him off. Something must have gone through his mind for him to think that this is a great opportunity for him to sink his teeth into the competition.

I think you're making some big assumptions here. This has nothing to do with how I view people.

Neither of us is in his head, so neither of us can be right, but I personally think he does it for the same reason that some players make niggling kicks and shoves when the ref isn't looking. He's not doing it to get an obvious advantage in terms of playing the ball like when you elbow someone.

I just think blaming it on some strange mental issue is going overboard to justify his behaviour.

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 24 2014, 08:53 PM) *
They won.

Thanks to the referee. Italy should have never had to play 45 minutes a man short and Uruguay should have had Suarez sent off when it was still level. How that can go down to tactical mastery is beyond me...
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 25 2014, 01:17 AM) *
As for Uruguay, their plan, which I stated beforehand, worked perfectly. I believed they'd contain and stifle till about 60 minutes before starting to up the ante. Italy were in the terrible position of needing a draw, and Uruguay are far better chasing for a goal than they are defending what they have. That's something Italy used to be good at but are now a travesty.


That's how I thought they would play. very Atletico-like with Godin scoring a header on a set piece.
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post Jun 24 2014, 09:06 PM
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Still don't get how people feel aggrieved by Marchisio's red-card...

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