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Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 2 2020, 10:51 PM

I was looking for a thread relating to the upcoming season, but didn't see one (feel free to delete this if one has already been created and I missed it)

Here are the fixtures for the upcoming Serie A season:




I saw some cooler ones specifically tailored to Milan, but those were from WhatsApp & Twitter tbh, and I have no idea what website has easy sharing options these days.

EDIT: Upon further review I think a new thread for the upcoming season is also required in the football discussion section: [IT] Serie A 2020 - 21

But I'm gonna leave it up to you guys to do so... I believe I've already created a bit of mess with this one (due to the lack of standardization) and have some stuff out of place... it's something of an eye sore to me already laugh.gif

Posted by: han2503 Sep 3 2020, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Sep 2 2020, 10:51 PM) *
I was looking for a thread relating to the upcoming season, but didn't see one (feel free to delete this if one has already been created and I missed it)

Here are the fixtures for the upcoming Serie A season:




I saw some cooler ones specifically tailored to Milan, but those were from WhatsApp & Twitter tbh, and I have no idea what website has easy sharing options these days.

EDIT: Upon further review I think a new thread for the upcoming season is also required in the football discussion section: [IT] Serie A 2020 - 21

But I'm gonna leave it up to you guys to do so... I believe I've already created a bit of mess with this one (due to the lack of standardization) and have some stuff out of place... it's something of an eye sore to me already laugh.gif

Thanks for this Trini. I'll open a thread for the new season.

Inter on matchday 4...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 3 2020, 04:12 PM

First three fixtures look very comfortable in order to go with full 9 points in the derby. Hope we don't screw up this start of the season again.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 3 2020, 07:10 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 3 2020, 04:12 PM) *
First three fixtures look very comfortable in order to go with full 9 points in the derby. Hope we don't screw up this start of the season again.

Bologna could be a bit tricky but the others should be wins.

The EL matches will come in handy in this regard, they will serve as good warm ups to the league

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 3 2020, 07:35 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 3 2020, 12:03 PM) *
Thanks for this Trini. I'll open a thread for the new season.

Inter on matchday 4...

Welcome! wink.gif

Inter so early is a bit nerving... But at least our first 3 games on paper are as lenient as they come.


QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 3 2020, 12:12 PM) *
First three fixtures look very comfortable in order to go with full 9 points in the derby. Hope we don't screw up this start of the season again.

I know right... Even Maldini recalled a fixture some seasons ago where we opened against Bologna and squandered what on paper was to be an easy fixture. We certainly should look to head into these games overly confident, but as you said as well, if at the end of the season we're expecting a favourable position in the table; 3 points are a must against weaker sides (not to mention newly promoted ones).


QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 3 2020, 03:10 PM) *
Bologna could be a bit tricky but the others should be wins.

The EL matches will come in handy in this regard, they will serve as good warm ups to the league

Every game in theory can be tricky, but our first 3 league fixtures are about as easy as we could've hoped for... We just hit Bologna 5-1 a few months ago, and we weren't even playing that well. I expect 3 points.

And I'm not being cocky or arrogant, realistically, we need to take advantage of the easy fixtures. In a way I think this is where Ibra could help out the team mentally.

Also agree that the EL qualifiers should serve as good warm ups and an opportunity to re-establish our chemistry from end of last season.

Posted by: William405 Sep 5 2020, 08:30 PM

Daniel Maldini scores against Monza wink.gif

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2020, 08:52 PM

Looking at our defensive lineup atm is worrying.

I really hope we bring in a CB and RB this window. Musacchio, Duarte and Gabbia imo are huge question marks, if Romagnoli or Kjear get injured (which is highly likely) we're screwed.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 10 2020, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 10 2020, 04:52 PM) *
Looking at our defensive lineup atm is worrying.

I really hope we bring in a CB and RB this window. Musacchio, Duarte and Gabbia imo are huge question marks, if Romagnoli or Kjear get injured (which is highly likely) we're screwed.

Couldn't agree more. Romagnoli is currently recovering from his injury that ended his season a few games shy (but he should be back near month end).

But I'm certain that the club is aware of this and reinforcements would arrive tbh.

(We need a back up to Theo as well...)

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2020, 09:07 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Sep 10 2020, 09:03 PM) *
Couldn't agree more. Romagnoli is currently recovering from his injury that ended his season a few games shy (but he should be back near month end).

But I'm certain that the club is aware of this and reinforcements would arrive tbh.

(We need a back up to Theo as well...)

Romagnoli generally gets injured a few times per season. Kjear I'm not sure about his injury history but it's risky to rely on him alone.

Musacchio, Duarte and Gabbia for me should be shopped around. Gabbia should definitely be sent on loan. Musacchio I'd consider keeping but his injuries this season are worrying not to mention that he's never been all that great for us. And Duarte is just aweful.

Calabria and Conti are also not adequate. Conti is made of glass, not to mention that he's simply not good enough, and while I like Calabria, we can't start the season with him as our starting RB.

I think Laxalt for now is adequate backup for Theo

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2020, 11:14 PM

I get you, guys. What I don't get is that the league starts in 10 days, we know Romagnoli is out till the end of September and Musacchio will be out for some more time. So, why the hell haven't we signed a CB already? Are we supposed to consider Duarte a valid alternative at this point? Gabbia?

It was all fun and games at the end of last season when not much was at stake and we were in great shape. But now we're starting a new season and we shouldn't mess up. Not another crappy start to the season, please!

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 11 2020, 02:16 AM

I know right...

I'm sorta hoping that we're just working very silently in the background without much news being leaked via the media... *shrugs* *fingers crossed*

panicsmiley2.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2020, 10:07 AM

^ Nice sig. by the way. Huge AM fan myself.

Posted by: William405 Sep 11 2020, 10:50 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 11 2020, 01:14 AM) *
I get you, guys. What I don't get is that the league starts in 10 days, we know Romagnoli is out till the end of September and Musacchio will be out for some more time. So, why the hell haven't we signed a CB already? Are we supposed to consider Duarte a valid alternative at this point? Gabbia?

It was all fun and games at the end of last season when not much was at stake and we were in great shape. But now we're starting a new season and we shouldn't mess up. Not another crappy start to the season, please!


I think what you mentioned is exactly the problem. The season ended and started so quickly, there is so little time to navigate. I agree that at CB we need a replacement, but I think we all agree that the signing of Ibra and Tonali were priority here. Duarte is being played in almost every friendly game, and I guess it was too see if he could be a valid backup. But, obviously he hasn't been performing as well at all.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2020, 01:02 PM

Objectives according to Tuttosport:

Pezzella - 18M
Milenkovic - 40M
Fofana - 30M

The first two play for Fiorentina, Fofana plays for Saint-Etienne.


Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2020, 01:32 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 11 2020, 01:02 PM) *
Objectives according to Tuttosport:

Pezzella - 18M
Milenkovic - 40M
Fofana - 30M

The first two play for Fiorentina, Fofana plays for Saint-Etienne.

Fofana apparently accepted an offer from Leicester City. Now it's up to the clubs to negotiate, so he's probably not an option anymore.

Pezella and Milenkovic are both passes for me. Fiorentina are asking too much, neither are worth the sum mentioned.


Posted by: X-Offender Sep 12 2020, 03:41 PM

So, who do we go after? I'm at a loss here. I thought T. Silva was a really good short-term option but then Chelsea go and offer him 10M a year.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2020, 03:08 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 12 2020, 03:41 PM) *
So, who do we go after? I'm at a loss here. I thought T. Silva was a really good short-term option but then Chelsea go and offer him 10M a year.

Honestly not sure.

The media seem adamant about the Milenkovic link. But, for me, if we're going to enter into any negotiations with Fiorentina, I'd rather it be for Chiesa.

Maybe we could go for someone who's not high profile and would just be a better back up option to what we currently have. Because any really good CB who's starting material is going to cost a lot. And I'd rather spend that on a RW tbh

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2020, 05:46 PM

Strange we never entered the Kumbulla race. Roma just signed him on loan with obbligation to buy for 30M. We could have probably inserted someone else we don't need and lowered the price further.

No idea how good Milenkovic is, but 40M is a very exaggerated price tag. Clubs nowadays just seem to throw ludicrous prices left and right for anyone who's under somebody's radar.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2020, 08:02 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 15 2020, 05:46 PM) *
Strange we never entered the Kumbulla race. Roma just signed him on loan with obbligation to buy for 30M. We could have probably inserted someone else we don't need and lowered the price further.

No idea how good Milenkovic is, but 40M is a very exaggerated price tag. Clubs nowadays just seem to throw ludicrous prices left and right for anyone who's under somebody's radar.

Fiorentina are notorious for this. They should learn their lesson from the Torino-Belotti story

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 17 2020, 07:29 PM

Anyone watching? 1-0, Ibra.

Posted by: William405 Sep 17 2020, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 17 2020, 09:29 PM) *
Anyone watching? 1-0, Ibra.


Me...struggled to find streams as no one cares about this game.

Nothing special, the machine is being oiled, but till now going okay.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 17 2020, 07:56 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 17 2020, 07:52 PM) *
Me...struggled to find streams as no one cares about this game.

Nothing special, the machine is being oiled, but till now going okay.


This one works well so far: https://www.soccer24hd.com/game/match/2235/Shamrock-Rovers-Vs-AC-Milan.html

I thought we showed some good sparks, but I also feel that the mediocrity of Sale-maker and Barbie doll limits us considerably.

I really wish Pioli would sub in Diaz instead of the Belgian. And also I would love to see Tonali instead of Kessie.

In defense we allowed a couple of good occasions, should be more careful.

Posted by: William405 Sep 17 2020, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 17 2020, 09:56 PM) *
This one works well so far: https://www.soccer24hd.com/game/match/2235/Shamrock-Rovers-Vs-AC-Milan.html

I thought we showed some good sparks, but I also feel that the mediocrity of Sale-maker and Barbie doll limits us considerably.

I really wish Pioli would sub in Diaz instead of the Belgian. And also I would love to see Tonali instead of Kessie.

In defense we allowed a couple of good occasions, should be more careful.


Thanks for the stream, but I managed to get it working on the AC Milan app.

I agree with the changes, but I think Pioli wanted to play it safe today...we'll definitely see some changes eventually.

Anyway, Calhanoglu...he did well today.

Posted by: William405 Sep 17 2020, 08:53 PM

FT 2-0

About the late subs:

Brahim Diaz looked super good, but it seems he will be more utilized as a a sub for Cala.

Tonali didn't do so well, looked quite nervous.

We need to fix the wingers situation ASAP. Rebic is nice but we need a RW. Salemakers and Castel are simply not good enough. They are OKAY as a replacement..


Posted by: X-Offender Sep 17 2020, 08:54 PM

Same Milan as we left about a month ago. Overall pleased with the performance though I feel we should have created more.

I must say, I'm very impressed with the way Calabria has been performing. Ever since he replaced Conti at the end of last season he's been really good. If he maintains this form we won't need a new RB.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 17 2020, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 17 2020, 08:54 PM) *
Same Milan as we left about a month ago. Overall pleased with the performance though I feel we should have created more.

I must say, I'm very impressed with the way Calabria has been performing. Ever since he replaced Conti at the end of last season he's been really good. If he maintains this form we won't need a new RB.

Agreed about Calabria. Hopefully he keeps it up as he generally lacks consistency.

Diaz was also really impressive in the 10 minutes or so he got. He's one we need to keep an eye on. Too bad we didn't manage to insert a buyout fee in his deal, something tells me we're going to need it...

Maybe Diaz can take Samu's spot in a few weeks time if we don't bring in any other wingers


Tonali looked a bit nervous out there. Granted he didn't have much time to really assert himself which is important for the position he plays. Pioli needs to be careful with how he integrates him into the side without too much pressure being put on him.


The rest we as per usual. Hakan and Ibra seem to have kept their form, which is crucial for us. Same goes for Kessie and Bennacer in that double pivot.


My biggest worry atm is still those CBs and the RW.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 17 2020, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 17 2020, 09:12 PM) *
Agreed about Calabria. Hopefully he keeps it up as he generally lacks consistency.

Diaz was also really impressive in the 10 minutes or so he got. He's one we need to keep an eye on. Too bad we didn't manage to insert a buyout fee in his deal, something tells me we're going to need it...

Maybe Diaz can take Samu's spot in a few weeks time if we don't bring in any other wingers


Tonali looked a bit nervous out there. Granted he didn't have much time to really assert himself which is important for the position he plays. Pioli needs to be careful with how he integrates him into the side without too much pressure being put on him.


The rest we as per usual. Hakan and Ibra seem to have kept their form, which is crucial for us. Same goes for Kessie and Bennacer in that double pivot.


My biggest worry atm is still those CBs and the RW.


Agreed about Diaz. He will replace Castillejo eventually.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 17 2020, 09:48 PM

Did not get to watch the game but followed the audio on the Milan app. Was a bit worried about this one, but we made it through. Bologna next ...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 18 2020, 08:58 AM

We have FK Bodø/Glimt in the next EL round, which is a one off tie as well

The final round will be another one off against these potential teams if I understand how this all works correctly.

FC Basel of Switzerland / Anorthosis of Cyprus

Viktoria Plzen of Czech Republic / SønderjyskE Fodbold of Denmark

Beşiktaş of Turkey / Rio Ave F.C. of Portugal


The one off nature of the ties is what's a bit worrying for me. One bad night and we're out.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 18 2020, 10:35 AM

So, we're playing Bologna home on Monday for the kick-off of the League.

Rebic should be back to replace Sale-maker on the left. For the rest it will look the same as last night.

We managed to thrash these guys only a couple of months ago. Here's to hoping for a good start.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 18 2020, 03:22 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 18 2020, 08:58 AM) *
We have FK Bodø/Glimt in the next EL round, which is a one off tie as well

The final round will be another one off against these potential teams if I understand how this all works correctly.

FC Basel of Switzerland / Anorthosis of Cyprus

Viktoria Plzen of Czech Republic / SønderjyskE Fodbold of Denmark

Beşiktaş of Turkey / Rio Ave F.C. of Portugal


The one off nature of the ties is what's a bit worrying for me. One bad night and we're out.

Update

Should we pass the next round, we'll play the winner of the Besiktas/Rio Ave tie

Besiktas could be a banana skin, Turkish teams are always tricky.

But yes, Bologna up next. It will be good to have Rebic back in the starting line-up Salemaker should not be staring matches anymore. He should only be used to close out games in a more defensive capacity.

Samu needs to do better than what we saw yesterday. Gabbia starting in Serie A is also not ideal. Any idea when Romagnoli or Musacchio will be back?

Posted by: Danny Sep 18 2020, 06:49 PM

Don't mean to be a killjoy but it's hard to judge the quality of Milan's performance when it's Shamrock you're up against.

In case you guys don't know, the League of Ireland is absolutely horrendous.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 19 2020, 01:37 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 18 2020, 03:22 PM) *
Update

Should we pass the next round, we'll play the winner of the Besiktas/Rio Ave tie

Besiktas could be a banana skin, Turkish teams are always tricky.

But yes, Bologna up next. It will be good to have Rebic back in the starting line-up Salemaker should not be staring matches anymore. He should only be used to close out games in a more defensive capacity.

Samu needs to do better than what we saw yesterday. Gabbia starting in Serie A is also not ideal. Any idea when Romagnoli or Musacchio will be back?


Romagnoli at the end of September, Musacchio in November last I read.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 19 2020, 04:32 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 19 2020, 01:37 AM) *
Romagnoli at the end of September, Musacchio in November last I read.

Painful. At least the first 3 games should be easier on paper.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2020, 01:11 PM

Gameday. I want a convincing win tonight. Time to kickstart the league as a serious side.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2020, 03:12 PM

Does anyone remember the last season that we started with a strong showing? I honestly can't remember one aside from when we won the Scudetto in 10/11

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2020, 08:05 PM

Samu the obvious weak link so far

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2020, 08:36 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2020, 08:05 PM) *
Samu the obvious weak link so far


I was about to say. You really feel Samu's mediocrity when compared to Zlatan-Hakan-Rebic.

Really good first half. Could have scored more. Bologna were never dangerous. Let's score a couple more in the second half.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2020, 08:38 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2020, 08:36 PM) *
I was about to say. You really feel Samu's mediocrity when compared to Zlatan-Hakan-Rebic.

Really good first half. Could have scored more. Bologna were never dangerous. Let's score a couple more in the second half.

Yep. big time.

I really want to see Diaz in the second half but have a feeling Pioli will bring on the salesman

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2020, 08:40 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2020, 08:38 PM) *
Yep. big time.

I really want to see Diaz in the second half but have a feeling Pioli will bring on the salesman


Yep, you can betcha.

Everyone has been really good. Bennacer and Kessie dominating that midfield. Maybe Rebic could have been a bit more dangerous. Calabria also continuing with his excellent form.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 21 2020, 08:42 PM

Missed most of the first half. From the recap it looks like we missed a few opportunities. Bologna, however, was also dangerous on a couple of times.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2020, 08:51 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2020, 08:40 PM) *
Yep, you can betcha.

Everyone has been really good. Bennacer and Kessie dominating that midfield. Maybe Rebic could have been a bit more dangerous. Calabria also continuing with his excellent form.

Aaand, he does it at the start of the 2nd half...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2020, 08:52 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 21 2020, 08:42 PM) *
Missed most of the first half. From the recap it looks like we missed a few opportunities. Bologna, however, was also dangerous on a couple of times.

They had 2 good ones, but overall we've controlled the majority of the game, just need that little bit of precision that's still missing due to rustiness

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2020, 09:02 PM

Holy sh*t, Kessie. When did he get this good?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2020, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2020, 09:02 PM) *
Holy sh*t, Kessie. When did he get this good?

He and Bennacer have been great. I think just using him as we always should have is why we're seeing what he can actually do.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2020, 09:45 PM

Calabria with a great showing today

If only he can keep this up. Our RB issues would be solved

Right now, my only two worries are that CB position (playing with Gabbia and Duarte made the hair on the back of my neck stand up) and the obvious lack of quality on that RW.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2020, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2020, 09:45 PM) *
Calabria with a great showing today

If only he can keep this up. Our RB issues would be solved

Right now, my only two worries are that CB position (playing with Gabbia and Duarte made the hair on the back of my neck stand up) and the obvious lack of quality on that RW.


Calabria was MVP for me tonight. What a showing.

Diaz has all it takes to start on the left. He has pace, can use perfectly both feet (actually dribbles with his left), and great technique. But even the salesman was good tonight, somehow.

Should have scored at least 4-5 tonight. But I must say when Kjaer came off we looked really shaky, and could have actually conceded once.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2020, 09:52 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2020, 09:48 PM) *
Calabria was MVP for me tonight. What a showing.

Diaz has all it takes to start on the left. He has pace, can use perfectly both feet (actually dribbles with his left), and great technique. But even the salesman was good tonight, somehow.

Should have scored at least 4-5 tonight. But I must say when Kjaer came off we looked really shaky, and could have actually conceded once.

Well, Pioli also took off our nucleus in Kessie-Bennacer. Not that surprising that we'd start looking shaky at that point.

Tonali looks shaky right now as well. Maybe Pioli can give him a full game in either the Crotone or Spezia games coming up so he can start to find his feet.

I'd really like to see Brahim getting the start on Thursday in the EL. But Pioli does value the hard working player on the right side, which is why I think he favours Sales.

We'll see, but for me, I think RW is just as crucial as a CB. (Still secretly praying for Chiesa innocent.gif )

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2020, 09:54 PM

Davide Calabria vs. Bologna

➤ 72 touches
➤ 92 % pass accuracy (45)
➤ 6 tackles
➤ 1 interception
➤ 2 clearances
➤ 0 dribbled past
➤ 8 ground duels won
➤ 100% of aerial duels won
➤ 1 key pass

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2020, 09:55 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2020, 09:54 PM) *
Davide Calabria vs. Bologna

➤ 72 touches
➤ 92 % pass accuracy (45)
➤ 6 tackles
➤ 1 interception
➤ 2 clearances
➤ 0 dribbled past
➤ 8 ground duels won
➤ 100% of aerial duels won
➤ 1 key pass


Beast.

Posted by: William405 Sep 22 2020, 10:59 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2020, 11:52 PM) *
Well, Pioli also took off our nucleus in Kessie-Bennacer. Not that surprising that we'd start looking shaky at that point.

Tonali looks shaky right now as well. Maybe Pioli can give him a full game in either the Crotone or Spezia games coming up so he can start to find his feet.

I'd really like to see Brahim getting the start on Thursday in the EL. But Pioli does value the hard working player on the right side, which is why I think he favours Sales.

We'll see, but for me, I think RW is just as crucial as a CB. (Still secretly praying for Chiesa innocent.gif )


Brahim is really really good! He has that touch of class. I would like to see him in Hakan's position.

Tonali will need time, and I just feel that he is the kind of player who will get better when he gets lots of minutes in game. It is hard to bench Kessie and Bennacer at the moment, unless for rotational reasons.

Posted by: Danny Sep 22 2020, 12:03 PM

Great display, very pleased with what I saw - continued last season's momentum. Quite happy to eat humble pie if we're still playing like this come December.

Only blot was our shape fell to pieces after the substitutions and Bologna probably looked the better team, but by then the damage was done.

Posted by: Danny Sep 22 2020, 12:06 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2020, 09:52 PM) *
Tonali looks shaky right now as well. Maybe Pioli can give him a full game in either the Crotone or Spezia games coming up so he can start to find his feet.


Funny thing about Tonali, he didn't indeed look convincing but his stats told a different story. Will say you swear you're looking at Pirlo in every sense though.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2020, 12:48 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 22 2020, 10:59 AM) *
Brahim is really really good! He has that touch of class. I would like to see him in Hakan's position.


You want to bench Hakan?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2020, 03:25 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 22 2020, 12:06 PM) *
Funny thing about Tonali, he didn't indeed look convincing but his stats told a different story. Will say you swear you're looking at Pirlo in every sense though.

His gait reminds me of Pirlo but his style is very different imo

I feel like we're so close to being what we need to be in order to get back into the top 4. There's just so little that's missing to get us there.

I really do hope Paolo and Co are working on the final 2 pieces of the puzzle that are missing.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2020, 03:32 PM

BREAKING NEWS: #ASRoma lose their appeal, 3-0 win awarded to #HellasVerona over Amadou Diawara error. #SerieA

How incredibly stupid is this? laugh.gif laugh.gif

Whoever's in charge of the administrative stuff at Roma should be raked over coals

Posted by: William405 Sep 22 2020, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2020, 02:48 PM) *
You want to bench Hakan?


Nope. I'm just saying he'd best be suited in that position, especially for rotational purposes with Hakan.

Posted by: William405 Sep 22 2020, 04:04 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 22 2020, 05:25 PM) *
His gait reminds me of Pirlo but his style is very different imo

I feel like we're so close to being what we need to be in order to get back into the top 4. There's just so little that's missing to get us there.

I really do hope Paolo and Co are working on the final 2 pieces of the puzzle that are missing.


The only resemblance with Pirlo at this moment is his hair.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2020, 06:08 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 22 2020, 03:25 PM) *
His gait reminds me of Pirlo but his style is very different imo

I feel like we're so close to being what we need to be in order to get back into the top 4. There's just so little that's missing to get us there.

I really do hope Paolo and Co are working on the final 2 pieces of the puzzle that are missing.


I don't think Tonali is anything like Pirlo. He's more physical and dynamic, and less creative.


QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 22 2020, 03:32 PM) *
BREAKING NEWS: #ASRoma lose their appeal, 3-0 win awarded to #HellasVerona over Amadou Diawara error. #SerieA

How incredibly stupid is this? laugh.gif laugh.gif

Whoever's in charge of the administrative stuff at Roma should be raked over coals


Comedy gold.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2020, 08:45 PM

I just realised this is Calabria's seventh season with us! Holy crap, time really does fly fast.

Posted by: Danny Sep 22 2020, 10:48 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 22 2020, 04:03 PM) *
Nope. I'm just saying he'd best be suited in that position, especially for rotational purposes with Hakan.


Best having two excellents options rather than just one guy who gets complacent.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 23 2020, 08:47 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2020, 08:45 PM) *
I just realised this is Calabria's seventh season with us! Holy crap, time really does fly fast.

And he's still 23 years old

Still so much time to grow. I do hope he has a good season to build on.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 24 2020, 03:37 AM

Official: Leo Duarte is sick with the coronavirus. This was confirmed by yesterday's test. At the time of testing, the rest of the staff tested negative. The Brazilian has since been isolated. Another set of tests are supposed to be taken soon.

unsure.gif huh.gif

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2020, 03:02 PM

Ibra also positive.

Colombo is the only available forward we have for tonights game with Rebic suspended and Leao still doing prep training

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2020, 03:14 PM

F*ck!!!

We'll be losing him for many other games, not just tonight. At least a couple of weeks in quarentine? Him of all people FFS!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2020, 08:10 PM

Samu has been utter sh!te once again today

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2020, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 24 2020, 08:10 PM) *
Samu has been utter sh!te once again today


And considering the quality of opponents we've been facing thus far, imagine him against tougher sides. Pioli needs to stop playing him and play Brahim on the right.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2020, 08:31 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 24 2020, 08:13 PM) *
And considering the quality of opponents we've been facing thus far, imagine him against tougher sides. Pioli needs to stop playing him and play Brahim on the right.

I think Pioli sees Brahim as an AM. We absolutely need a RW this window. Sale has been good though

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2020, 08:39 PM

Hakan 3-1


Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2020, 08:55 PM

WTF is Pioli's fixation with Krunic? It's the second time he's subbing him in for Castillejo.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2020, 09:06 PM

Krunic is terrible. And somehow he's playing in attack.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2020, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 24 2020, 08:55 PM) *
WTF is Pioli's fixation with Krunic? It's the second time he's subbing him in for Castillejo.

I think it was the right sub

We're struggling right now and Krunic will give us a bit more in the middle of the pitch

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2020, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 24 2020, 09:09 PM) *
I think it was the right sub

We're struggling right now and Krunic will give us a bit more in the middle of the pitch


But he's sh*t.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2020, 09:20 PM

Also, he's playing far wide if you haven't noticed.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2020, 09:23 PM

Terrible last 30 minutes...

Should have killed it when we were so dominant, but alas, it feels like we're completely handicapped without Ibra on the pitch.

Leao and Rebic are also sorely missed.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2020, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 24 2020, 09:20 PM) *
Also, he's playing far wide if you haven't noticed.

Yep, thought he would move him centrally since we were getting outnumbered and rapidly tiring out

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2020, 09:25 PM

3-2 FT

Should have been 3-3. They devoured a done goal in the end.

Very mediocre performance. First half was good but we switched off completely after our third goal. Not gonna complain about our absences cos we were playing against Bodo fucking Glimt.

Thankfully Rebic and hopefully Leao will be back against Crotone.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2020, 09:26 PM

Anyways, FT. We go through, just barely though.

Need to do much better in the next round.

Hopefully we're have Leao back. Don't know if Rebic will still be suspended

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2020, 09:26 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 24 2020, 09:26 PM) *
Anyways, FT. We go through, just barely though.

Need to do much better in the next round.

Hopefully we're have Leao back. Don't know if Rebic will still be suspended


Rebic is suspended for another game, yes. What the hell did he do to get a 3-match ban?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2020, 09:28 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 24 2020, 09:25 PM) *
3-2 FT

Should have been 3-3. They devoured a done goal in the end.

Very mediocre performance. First half was good but we switched off completely after our third goal. Not gonna complain about our absences cos we were playing against Bodo fucking Glimt.

Thankfully Rebic and hopefully Leao will be back against Crotone.

I think the complete drop off had more to do with heavy legs rather than the missing players, but not having the usual outlets of Rebic/Ibra is a huge miss for this team. Samu and Sale are just subpar players.

That being said, we could have scored 2/3 more when we were dominating

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2020, 09:31 PM

We're playing Rio Ave in the play-off, who surprisingly defeated Besiktas on penalties earlier.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2020, 09:32 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 24 2020, 09:26 PM) *
Rebic is suspended for another game, yes. What the hell did he do to get a 3-match ban?

I saw the clip and it was just him and the opposing keeper going for the ball and they collided. It was very soft imo. Certainly not a 3 match ban offence.

Gabbia tonight showed why we cannot go into the season with him as the first option off the bench when Romagnoli or Kjear are out. Both goals came from his errors. That new CB cannot come soon enough

Also we simply have to look into another attacker. Preferably before we play the next qualifier. Whether it's a striker or a RW at this point I'm not picky but we're threadbare in that department. Samu and Sale are simply not good enough. And this was against a side from a true farmer's league FFS.

Anyway. Rio Ave up next.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2020, 09:33 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 24 2020, 09:31 PM) *
We're playing Rio Ave in the play-off, who surprisingly defeated Besiktas on penalties earlier.

Apparently Besiktas were missing 7 players due to having Covid

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 26 2020, 01:42 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 22 2020, 04:32 PM) *
Whoever's in charge of the administrative stuff at Roma should be raked over coals

I believe he resigned and now works for ... Verona. That kind of stuff only happens in Italy ...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2020, 02:08 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 26 2020, 01:42 AM) *
I believe he resigned and now works for ... Verona. That kind of stuff only happens in Italy ...


Indeed. I read that he was about to leave Roma and one potential destination was Verona. Is that official now?

Anyway, probable line-up vs Crotone:

Donnarumma; Calabria, Kjaer, Gabbia, Hernandez; Kessie, Bennacer; Castillejo, Calhanoglu, Rebic; Colombo.

Pioli said today that Colombo could possibly start tomorrow, but that Leao is also ready and could play some minutes (and hopefully be ready to start vs Rio Ave).

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2020, 02:08 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 26 2020, 01:42 AM) *
I believe he resigned and now works for ... Verona. That kind of stuff only happens in Italy ...

laugh.gif laugh.gif

Classic!


Leao in the squad for Crotone tomorrow. So he'll probably play upfront considering the extreme shortage.

Will be interesting to see how he interprets that role

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 27 2020, 04:59 PM

Donnarumma; Calabria, Kjaer, Gabbia, Hernandez; Kessie, Tonali; Brahim, Calhanoglu, Saelemaekers; Rebic.

Good to see Tonali and Brahim from the start. Hopefully Brahim impresses so he can cement his role on the right.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 27 2020, 05:01 PM

Game starting, forza Milan!!!

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2020, 05:23 PM

Tonali and Brahim are so good

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 27 2020, 05:31 PM

Rebic has been so bad. He was quite poor vs Bologna as well. What's happening to him?

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2020, 05:48 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 27 2020, 07:31 PM) *
Rebic has been so bad. He was quite poor vs Bologna as well. What's happening to him?


I don't know if it is his right position tonight.

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2020, 05:48 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 27 2020, 07:31 PM) *
Rebic has been so bad. He was quite poor vs Bologna as well. What's happening to him?


And here he eins a penalty!!

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2020, 05:48 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 27 2020, 07:31 PM) *
Rebic has been so bad. He was quite poor vs Bologna as well. What's happening to him?


And here he eins a penalty!!

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2020, 05:52 PM

Kessie 1-0

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2020, 05:59 PM

It was an okay first half, we dominated well, but we're missing Ibra for the reference point in the center. Rebic struggled to be a reference point. Some points, Tonali is doing much much better today. Some really nice passes, he has a wider and deeper vision than Bennacer. Brahim is good, he is great with the ball at his feet. Hope we manage to snatch a second goal.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 27 2020, 06:06 PM

Overall, a good half against an opponent that is better than their 4-1 loss to Genoa last week. Horrible pitch and strong wind not helping. Penalty somewhat questionable due to Rebic's near-handball, but the halftime result is deserved.

Tonali doing much better than his first few games. Kier, Gabbia, Calabria, Kessie all solid. The attack is a bit disappointing, Rebic in particular. Perhaps it's because it is not his natural role. Will see if Pioli changes anything at the half.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 27 2020, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 27 2020, 06:06 PM) *
Overall, a good half against an opponent that is better than their 4-1 loss to Genoa last week. Horrible pitch and strong wind not helping. Penalty somewhat questionable due to Rebic's near-handball, but the halftime result is deserved.

Tonali doing much better than his first few games. Kier, Gabbia, Calabria, Kessie all solid. The attack is a bit disappointing, Rebic in particular. Perhaps it's because it is not his natural role. Will see if Pioli changes anything at the half.


It was no handball, very clearly he controlled it with his chest.

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2020, 06:09 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 27 2020, 08:06 PM) *
It was no handball, very clearly he controlled it with his chest.


Yes! His hand moved like a handball, but it was clear after the replay.

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2020, 06:12 PM

Diaz!!!!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 27 2020, 06:13 PM

Crap, missed it.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 27 2020, 06:19 PM

Crap, looks like Rebic broke his arm. unsure.gif

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2020, 06:19 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 27 2020, 08:19 PM) *
Crap, looks like Rebic broke his arm. unsure.gif

Arm or shoulder out of place?

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 27 2020, 06:23 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 27 2020, 06:19 PM) *
Arm or shoulder out of place?


Couldn't tell.

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2020, 06:43 PM

We completely switched off.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 27 2020, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 27 2020, 06:43 PM) *
We completely switched off.


Terrible second half. Looked like we didn't give two damns. Probably thought to reserve the energies for the EL transfer, but that's not the right mentality.

Team does look tired, like we get exhausted very quickly. Same happened vs Bologna and Bodo as well.

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2020, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 27 2020, 08:59 PM) *
Terrible second half. Looked like we didn't give two damns. Probably thought to reserve the energies for the EL transfer, but that's not the right mentality.

Team does look tired, like we get exhausted very quickly. Same happened vs Bologna and Bodo as well.


True.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 27 2020, 07:04 PM

Kessie MVP easily. Such a dominating presence in midfield, won so many balls today. The rest looked a bit shaky.

"Pending the official report, according to Sky Sport reports, Ante Rebic's injury could concern his elbow. The Croatian striker should have suffered a dislocated elbow. The player could undergo a control plate at the Crotone Hospital."

I read at least a month out.

It's a good thing there's the NT break after next weekend. At least we can get some players back (Ibra and Romagnoli mostly).

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 27 2020, 07:31 PM

Well, not a great performance but it is 3 points. As per the commentator, Milan did just enough to win. EL next ...

Rebic is the big concern.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 27 2020, 10:02 PM

Roma - Rube 2-2. Neither team looked particularly impressive. OTOH, Napoli ...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 28 2020, 12:35 AM

Juve were sh*t, Roma had so many chances to make it 3-1 but they wasted them.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 28 2020, 01:39 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 28 2020, 01:35 AM) *
Juve were sh*t, Roma had so many chances to make it 3-1 but they wasted them.

Next week, Juve-Napoli could be interesting. Would not be surprised if Napoli wins it. I think Rino is doing a very good job, while I am not sure what Pirlo is doing (or why he was even put in charge). CR7 is still the best and they have other very good players, but Juve's defense leaks goals, and the team feels ... confused.

As for Roma, the rumor is that Fonseca's days are numbered and Rangnick is due to take over.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 28 2020, 06:04 PM

QUOTE
Ante Rebic hopes for it and sees the derby after the dislocation in his left elbow remedied against Crotone. The Rossoneri club announces that the Croatian underwent a CT scan which confirmed the absence of fractures and further investigations which excluded peripheral vascular-nerve complications. A control resonance with specialist evaluation is scheduled in about ten days. The goal is to have him available for the match against Inter scheduled for October 17.

Mediaset


Here's to hoping.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 28 2020, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 27 2020, 05:31 PM) *
Rebic has been so bad. He was quite poor vs Bologna as well. What's happening to him?

He was playing as a striker and trying to play a similar role to Ibra. Plus I think he's struggling a bit to regain his form. Think of it this way, the others already have 4 games under their belt while this is his second game.

Still was decisive when we needed it though which is what I've come to expect from him

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 27 2020, 06:06 PM) *
Overall, a good half against an opponent that is better than their 4-1 loss to Genoa last week. Horrible pitch and strong wind not helping. Penalty somewhat questionable due to Rebic's near-handball, but the halftime result is deserved.

Tonali doing much better than his first few games. Kier, Gabbia, Calabria, Kessie all solid. The attack is a bit disappointing, Rebic in particular. Perhaps it's because it is not his natural role. Will see if Pioli changes anything at the half.

The terrible pitch is what caused Rebic to go down so awkwardly on his arm. mad.gif

Tonali and Diaz with good showings. That pass to Calabria from Tonali was pure quality.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 27 2020, 06:59 PM) *
Terrible second half. Looked like we didn't give two damns. Probably thought to reserve the energies for the EL transfer, but that's not the right mentality.

Team does look tired, like we get exhausted very quickly. Same happened vs Bologna and Bodo as well.

I think we played within ourselves to conserve energy. It's been a really tough start to the season with so many games squeezed in. It can't be easy to jump into the season with so many fixtures. We still played a very good first 50 minutes or so and got the 3 points, which is all that matters. And even when we took our foot off the pedal after the 2nd goal, I didn't for once think we would concede


The Rebic injury is a big blow. Hopefully we close the Hauge deal this week

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 30 2020, 04:11 PM

Pioli said Leao might play a few minutes tomorrow so he shouldn't start. I expect the same line-up as vs Crotone with Colombo and Bennacer instead of Rebic and Tonali.

Sort of fear this game. We have too many absences. Not sure how good Rio Ave is but they've tied the first two games of the league so far.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 30 2020, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 30 2020, 05:11 PM) *
Pioli said Leao might play a few minutes tomorrow so he shouldn't start. I expect the same line-up as vs Crotone with Colombo and Bennacer instead of Rebic and Tonali.

Sort of fear this game. We have too many absences. Not sure how good Rio Ave is but they've tied the first two games of the league so far.

I think this game will be easier than the last two. However, anything can happen in a single game (with two games you have a chance to recover if something goes badly wrong).

Posted by: nuh Oct 1 2020, 12:54 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 30 2020, 05:11 PM) *
Pioli said Leao might play a few minutes tomorrow so he shouldn't start. I expect the same line-up as vs Crotone with Colombo and Bennacer instead of Rebic and Tonali.

Sort of fear this game. We have too many absences. Not sure how good Rio Ave is but they've tied the first two games of the league so far.


I really fear this game too. I wish if we had completed the Hauge deal sooner to at least have him on the bench.
Rumor has it that Maldini will be starting ahead of Colombo.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 1 2020, 05:13 PM

QUOTE (nuh @ Oct 1 2020, 12:54 PM) *
I really fear this game too. I wish if we had completed the Hauge deal sooner to at least have him on the bench.
Rumor has it that Maldini will be starting ahead of Colombo.


But I don't think Hauge can play in EL anymore having already played with Bodoe, no?

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 1 2020, 07:05 PM

Maldini and Castillejo starting. Kinda weird choices by Pioli.

Let's see if we'll f*ck this up.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 1 2020, 08:33 PM

Castillejo is trash. Like, absolute trash. Mesbah level of trash.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Oct 1 2020, 08:54 PM

Only managed to watch last 10 minutes or so. Not good, we have a non-existing attack and Rio is starting to get dangerous. Samu is s**t, and I have no idea why we are playing Maldini (he is out of position and not proven even in his natural position).

Got meetings coming up, will try to watch the rest of the game ...

Forza Milan! (We need this, mercato choices depend on EL)

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 1 2020, 09:00 PM

Yeah, we're playing like sh*t, but no wonder considering our attacking line is Saelemaekers-Castillejo-Maldini, i.e. non-existent. Underwhelming performances by Theo, Hakan and Bennacer thus far.

We need to bring in Leao and Brahim ASAP.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 1 2020, 10:55 PM

OMFG DSFASDFASF!!!

What did I just watch???!!!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 1 2020, 10:55 PM

Man wtf juat happened. Livescore showed leao missed and thought we lost then.. But ultimately won... Wow

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 1 2020, 10:56 PM

What a drag. Terrible game, terrible streams, then the frigging penalties that would never end.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 1 2020, 11:00 PM

I'd like to go into detail re the game, but my mind is mush atm.

I was literally laughing throughout that shootout

Our players though...

It was a really rough game. We looked zonked by minute 30, Rio's fitness seemed to be 10 notches above ours. If we can somehow make it through that Spezia game and get all 3 points I'd be really happy because we are struggling a lot.

It's been a brutal start to the season, add to that the misfortune with injuries/covid and it's no surprise we're struggling. But I'm still happy to see the resilience in this team.

Diaz is an absolute gem. Pioli better play him instead of that waste of space Samu. What a terrible run he's on. I've never seen him play a worse few games since he's been with us. Salemakers was also good. We sh!t on him a lot, but the kid is working hard and showing improvement with each game he plays.

Tonali with a brilliant few minutes as well. Should have come on earlier, their second goal happened due to Kessie's heavy legs

Posted by: han2503 Oct 1 2020, 11:01 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 1 2020, 10:56 PM) *
What a drag. Terrible game, terrible streams, then the frigging penalties that would never end.

We crawled our way through, no doubt. But I'm all the more happy for it to see how this team just doesn't give up. A few months ago our head would have dropped and we'd be done as soon as we conceded the first goal

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 1 2020, 11:07 PM

This was a huge step back for us. I feared this would be a difficult game, but it went much for worse than I thought. I honestly stopped watching after the first AET due to bad streaming so I missed the last 15 minutes. But we honestly were terrible.

First half was unwatchable, then we looked like we composed ourselves with Brahim's entrance. Their goal came out of nowhere, and from then onwards it was a downward spiral.

I understand we were missing some key players, but nevertheless such a shitty performance is inexcusable. Hakan was inexistent the whole night, Hernandez was awful, Bennacer didn't do much, Calabria looked liked his former self, Leao looked half-arsed. Only Brahim and Saelemaekers were redeemable tonight.

Let's get those 3 points vs Spezia and compose ourselves with the NT break. And hopefully recover Romagnoli, Zlatan and Rebic for the derby.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 1 2020, 11:11 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 1 2020, 11:00 PM) *
Salemakers was also good. We sh!t on him a lot, but the kid is working hard and showing improvement with each game he plays.


Totally agreed. He's won me over. And I was probably his fiercest critic only a few weeks ago. Nothing to write home about, mind you, but he does his job very well, and is extremely versatile and hard-working. Kudos, really.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Oct 2 2020, 02:35 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 1 2020, 11:56 PM) *
What a drag. Terrible game, terrible streams, then the frigging penalties that would never end.

What a game!!! I was lucky enough to be able to watch the game on the Milan app, but I had meetings, had to focus on what was going on, and eventually turned off the game because it was too distracting. Did try to follow what was happening.

Clearly we are not going to get far in either EL or Serie A unless we get some decent last minute additions to the team. I understand we were missing key players, but some of our starters are crap, some of our bench plyers are even worse, we have a lot of games to play, and we do not know who will get sidelined due to injuries / COVID / whatever.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Oct 2 2020, 02:39 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 2 2020, 12:00 AM) *
I'd like to go into detail re the game, but my mind is mush atm.

I was literally laughing throughout that shootout

Our players though...

It was a really rough game. We looked zonked by minute 30, Rio's fitness seemed to be 10 notches above ours. If we can somehow make it through that Spezia game and get all 3 points I'd be really happy because we are struggling a lot.

It's been a brutal start to the season, add to that the misfortune with injuries/covid and it's no surprise we're struggling. But I'm still happy to see the resilience in this team.

Diaz is an absolute gem. Pioli better play him instead of that waste of space Samu. What a terrible run he's on. I've never seen him play a worse few games since he's been with us. Salemakers was also good. We sh!t on him a lot, but the kid is working hard and showing improvement with each game he plays.

Tonali with a brilliant few minutes as well. Should have come on earlier, their second goal happened due to Kessie's heavy legs

Samu is crap (that was obvious even in the few minutes I watched). From what I read, Leao was a disappointment, and Diaz is too "selfish", and our youth players need time to mature (assuming they can get better - not sure about Maldini).

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 2 2020, 12:46 PM

EL group for us:

Celtic Glasgow
Sparta Praga
Milan
Lille

Rather tough if you ask me.

Posted by: Danny Oct 2 2020, 01:10 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 2 2020, 12:46 PM) *
EL group for us:

Celtic Glasgow
Sparta Praga
Milan
Lille

Rather tough if you ask me.


Celtic are sh*t these days. Lille are strong, Prague could be a test.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 2 2020, 08:15 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 1 2020, 11:07 PM) *
This was a huge step back for us. I feared this would be a difficult game, but it went much for worse than I thought. I honestly stopped watching after the first AET due to bad streaming so I missed the last 15 minutes. But we honestly were terrible.

First half was unwatchable, then we looked like we composed ourselves with Brahim's entrance. Their goal came out of nowhere, and from then onwards it was a downward spiral.

I understand we were missing some key players, but nevertheless such a shitty performance is inexcusable. Hakan was inexistent the whole night, Hernandez was awful, Bennacer didn't do much, Calabria looked liked his former self, Leao looked half-arsed. Only Brahim and Saelemaekers were redeemable tonight.

Let's get those 3 points vs Spezia and compose ourselves with the NT break. And hopefully recover Romagnoli, Zlatan and Rebic for the derby.

I think aside from all the missing players we simply have to look at the fatigue that's playing a huge part.

The players we have on the pitch are not being rotated because Pioli doesn't have much of an option. Kessie, Bennacer, Theo, Hakan, etc are simply running on empty at this point.

I still think this is a good group of players and we can do things this season, but we simply have to regroup and we need a couple of signings more. A few injuries plus the added factor of Covid and we could easily spiral.

My worry with the international break is players like Hakan for example, who has 3 games to play with Turkey. He needs rest right now, not to be playing 3 more games within a week and a half

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 2 2020, 02:39 AM) *
Samu is crap (that was obvious even in the few minutes I watched). From what I read, Leao was a disappointment, and Diaz is too "selfish", and our youth players need time to mature (assuming they can get better - not sure about Maldini).

Samu is god awful right now. He was the only player that really p!ssed me off yesterday. Pioli needs to stop playing him.

I don't think Diaz was selfish at all, he was trying to make things happen when his teammates were barely running

That reminds me! Leao also p!ssed me off. Sure he's barely had a few days of training after coming back from Covid, but he's just so frustrating.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 2 2020, 12:46 PM) *
EL group for us:

Celtic Glasgow
Sparta Praga
Milan
Lille

Rather tough if you ask me.

It's a nice group really. If we can get back to the levels we saw last season we'll get through

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 2 2020, 01:10 PM) *
Celtic are sh*t these days. Lille are strong, Prague could be a test.

Last time we faced both Celtic and Lille in the same CL season we won the trophy

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 2 2020, 08:27 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 2 2020, 08:15 PM) *
My worry with the international break is players like Hakan for example, who has 3 games to play with Turkey. He needs rest right now, not to be playing 3 more games within a week and a half


I was thinking the same. Maybe Pioli can let him rest against Spezia and play Brahim instead.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 2 2020, 08:15 PM) *
Samu is god awful right now. He was the only player that really p!ssed me off yesterday. Pioli needs to stop playing him.

I don't think Diaz was selfish at all, he was trying to make things happen when his teammates were barely running

That reminds me! Leao also p!ssed me off. Sure he's barely had a few days of training after coming back from Covid, but he's just so frustrating.


I thought Brahim was a bit selfish. There were a couple of times when I was "screaming" at the screen for him to pass.

And yeah, Leao also pissed me, too. He thinks too much of himself sometimes, when in reality ends up looking awkward and sloppy. Kinda reminds of Niang. unsure.gif

Posted by: han2503 Oct 2 2020, 08:52 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 2 2020, 08:27 PM) *
I was thinking the same. Maybe Pioli can let him rest against Spezia and play Brahim instead.

I thought Brahim was a bit selfish. There were a couple of times when I was "screaming" at the screen for him to pass.

And yeah, Leao also pissed me, too. He thinks too much of himself sometimes, when in reality ends up looking awkward and sloppy. Kinda reminds of Niang. unsure.gif

Don't think he will rest him. Hakan is too essential to the team to leave out. Plus, Diaz should really play instead of Samu

Yes, Diaz can over dribble at times, but he has that electric quality to him. Will be interesting to see how he develops as the season goes on. I'm sure he'll cut out the ball hogging as we go along.

Yeah, especially that chance he had when he came on. He was clean through after a really good run and beat 2 players, and for some reason decided to dribble a third player when he already had a clear sight of goal.

A goal there would have finished it and saved us the agony we went through

And yes, he does remind me of Niang. A slightly more talented Niang but still a Niang, which is a shame considering all the money we spent on him. He needs to grow up

Posted by: han2503 Oct 3 2020, 05:36 PM

Our EL Fixture list


Posted by: TriniKing_CE Oct 3 2020, 09:54 PM

SMFH...

Juventus are trying to force Napoli to forfeit tomorrow’s Serie A game 3-0, whereas the Partenopei argue they are banned from travelling due to COVID restrictions.

https://www.football-italia.net/160100/juventus-refuse-postpone-napoli

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2020, 10:05 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Oct 3 2020, 09:54 PM) *
SMFH...

Juventus are trying to force Napoli to forfeit tomorrow’s Serie A game 3-0, whereas the Partenopei argue they are banned from travelling due to COVID restrictions.

https://www.football-italia.net/160100/juventus-refuse-postpone-napoli


Juventus can't do jackshit. It's up to the FIGC to decide. Napoli have been denied travel by the local health authority due to Elmas also testing positive after Zielinsky yesterday.

As far as I know, the game simply has to be postponed, because local health authorities have higher jurisdiction than the FIGC about these matters.

It's a clusterfuck, really. They should have simply applied UEFA's policy that if at least 13 players are negative then the game has to be played. Otherwise, at this rate there'll be a shitload of games that will be postponed as the season goes on.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Oct 3 2020, 10:38 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 3 2020, 06:05 PM) *
Juventus can't do jackshit. It's up to the FIGC to decide. Napoli have been denied travel by the local health authority due to Elmas also testing positive after Zielinsky yesterday.

As far as I know, the game simply has to be postponed, because local health authorities have higher jurisdiction than the FIGC about these matters.

It's a clusterfuck, really. They should have simply applied UEFA's policy that if at least 13 players are negative then the game has to be played. Otherwise, at this rate there'll be a shitload of games that will be postponed as the season goes on.

Football Italia's words, not mine...

But imo, it was a classless act... What Juventus could've done though was kept their mouth shut and waited for the FIGC to make a public statement... Which they now have apparently...

https://www.football-italia.net/160105/serie-juve-napoli-goes-ahead?mobile=off

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2020, 10:43 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Oct 3 2020, 10:38 PM) *
Football Italia's words, not mine...

But imo, what Juventus could've done though was kept their mouth shut and waited for the FIGC to make a public statement... Which they now have apparently...

https://www.football-italia.net/160105/serie-juve-napoli-goes-ahead?mobile=off


Juventus were in the right. They got pissed about that idiotic decision. I would have too, if it was Milan. The game had to be played, simple as.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Oct 3 2020, 10:48 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 3 2020, 06:43 PM) *
Juventus were in the right. They got pissed about that idiotic decision. I would have too, if it was Milan. The game had to be played, simple as.

This league is in mess... I wouldn't be surprised if it's postponed across the board soon for how poorly they are responding to it all.

And imo it was still an unsportsmanlike gesture from Juve, but I can't say I'm surprised...

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2020, 11:51 PM

Seems like somebody really hates Juve. wink.gif

I don't think it was unsportsmanlike. It wasn't against Napoli, it was to take a stand against these ridiculous decisions.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Oct 4 2020, 12:22 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 3 2020, 07:51 PM) *
Seems like somebody really hates Juve. wink.gif

I don't think it was unsportsmanlike. It wasn't against Napoli, it was to take a stand against these ridiculous decisions.


I'm not saying you're wrong or I'm right, but we just clearly see it differently.

Lol I also don't really have anything specifically against Juventus.

But I would say that I believe anyone who is in a position of power (or in Juventus' case; has held dominance... over the league since inception).

They especially... should hold themselves accountable to codes of conduct and morality. In this case; sportsmanship. Not give the public reason to scrutinize and lambaste them for a lack of ethics.

I'm not sure I understand why you view it as a ridiculous decision tbh. If the rumors in the media are true that is, and they were barred from making the trip (given the current pandemic). I definitely think it should require them to act outside of their regular purview, and adopt compassion.

I may be thinking too much into it, but I really do believe while Juventus were within their right to say what they said... It was unnecessary and showed a lack of care or consideration for their opponent and their current challenges.

But it's whatever... I really do hope the FIGC gets their sh1t together though. Cuz the season has only just begun and it's already getting messy. I won't be surprised if the entire league gets postponed due to a lack of foresight in terms of procedures & processes for operating during a pandemic.

Failure to adhere to health guidelines or just common sense could make it bad for everyone. They've already (foolishly) decided to cutback on required testing of players for covid (to now currently just 48 hours prior to match days).

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Oct 4 2020, 12:34 AM

There seems to be a lot of conflicting reports on this at the moment though, so I'm taking everything with a grain of salt.

The latest collective agreement I've seen from news outlets and Twitter accounts is that Napoli are speaking to Serie A to avoid a forfeit in case they don't travel and are asking for a postponement. That much was expected.

We'll see how this unfolds (it started quite badly though)

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2020, 01:34 AM

Players get infected, it's unavoidable at this point. PSG had at least 5 players testing positive before the first match of the season, they just played without them. We currently have Duarte and Zlatan out, but we're not avoiding games.

The decision from the Naples ASL is too rushed and drastic. They ran the second round of testing yesterday and only Elmas tested positive. I don't think that constitutes the basis for prohibiting the rest of the team from participating in the game.

Posted by: Danny Oct 4 2020, 12:18 PM

Serie A is in danger of being postponed.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2020, 12:33 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 4 2020, 12:18 PM) *
Serie A is in danger of being postponed.


Says who? Only Juve-Napoli will be postponed.

Rumours that it's Napoli who made the decision not to travel to Turin, due to Zielinski and Elmas being two important players for them. Elmas was supposed to replace Insigne tonight who is injured.

This is getting ridiculous...

Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2020, 02:26 PM

If Napoli are the ones not wanting to travel because they have players missing than that is a forfeit. The league and Juve as well should not go into the hassle of postponing the game simply because Napoli don't feel like travelling.

When I first thought that they were being stopped by the Naples authorities I thought it was an unsportsman like gesture from Juve. Because if they cannot play the game due to outside forces they should at least try to postpone.

But with the new details being revealed it seems like Napoli are trying to take advantage of the situation.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2020, 04:04 PM

OFFICIAL LINE-UP: Donnarumma G.; Calabria, Kjær, Gabbia, Hernández; Tonali, Krunić; Saelemaekers, Díaz, Leão; Colombo.

I agree with the heavy rotation. After 5 games in two weeks and the 120 minutes of Portugal, it's a very reasonable move. Only thing I would have played Hauge from the start and moved Leao up front. Colombo has looked very mediocre in all his outings.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Oct 4 2020, 04:45 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 4 2020, 10:26 AM) *
If Napoli are the ones not wanting to travel because they have players missing than that is a forfeit. The league and Juve as well should not go into the hassle of postponing the game simply because Napoli don't feel like travelling.

When I first thought that they were being stopped by the Naples authorities I thought it was an unsportsman like gesture from Juve. Because if they cannot play the game due to outside forces they should at least try to postpone.

But with the new details being revealed it seems like Napoli are trying to take advantage of the situation.

Agreed.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2020, 04:50 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2020, 04:04 PM) *
OFFICIAL LINE-UP: Donnarumma G.; Calabria, Kjær, Gabbia, Hernández; Tonali, Krunić; Saelemaekers, Díaz, Leão; Colombo.

I agree with the heavy rotation. After 5 games in two weeks and the 120 minutes of Portugal, it's a very reasonable move. Only thing I would have played Hauge from the start and moved Leao up front. Colombo has looked very mediocre in all his outings.

A rag-tag line-up no doubt. But yes, rotation was needed or we were risking serious muscle injuries with the way things were looking.

I have a feeling Leao will get the hook early for Hauge rather than Colombo. Pioli doesn't seem like he's willing to deal with his laziness.

Agreed about Colombo though. Make me miss Cutrone. At least he made up what he lacked in skill with shear effort, Colombo doesn't seem like he wants to do even that

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2020, 05:28 PM

*yawn*

These mofos needs to get a grip.

Posted by: William405 Oct 4 2020, 05:32 PM

Not a great start...

Posted by: William405 Oct 4 2020, 05:40 PM

No one can stop Brahim 🤣

Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2020, 05:50 PM

Pioli will have to make changes earlier than he thought. Colombo and Leao are non-existent

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2020, 05:52 PM

What a terrible first half! And against such a crappy opponent. So little movement, so few combinations. It's like we're regressing to Giampaolo's level again.

Tonali has been shite. So many lost balls and so little creativity. Leao thinks he's CR7, when in reality he's a slightly better version of Niang. So annoying to watch him play. Colombo is laughable. He shouldn't even be on the team roster, let alone start league games. Calabria and Hernandez have been very average.

Only Saelemaekers and Brahim have been good. Brahim in particular is delightful to watch.

We miss Zlatan badly.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2020, 06:17 PM

LEAOOO


Posted by: William405 Oct 4 2020, 06:17 PM

Goal!!!

Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2020, 06:21 PM

Pretty sh!tty performance from him so far, but got the goal

Posted by: William405 Oct 4 2020, 06:24 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 4 2020, 08:21 PM) *
Pretty sh!tty performance from him so far, but got the goal


Bad attitude also

Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2020, 06:35 PM

THEOO

Posted by: William405 Oct 4 2020, 06:36 PM

Theo!!

Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2020, 06:38 PM

3-0

Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2020, 06:42 PM

That's more like the Milan of last season

Posted by: William405 Oct 4 2020, 06:43 PM

We switched on with hakan coming in

Posted by: William405 Oct 4 2020, 06:44 PM

Hakan is majestic

Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2020, 06:56 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 4 2020, 06:43 PM) *
We switched on with hakan coming in

Completely changed our entire dynamic

Same goes with Kessie and Bennacer

We knew this would be rough. Apparently we fielded the youngest team in Serie A since 04/05. Overall, there needs to be improvement from some players, namely Tonali an Leao, I expect more. But they also need time. Bennacer was absolute pish last season in the first few months. These things take time, especially when the player is so young.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2020, 06:57 PM

Alexis (that's what I will start kalling #56) he deserves his name to be spelled correctly, and since I can't do that, I'll call him by his first. He's been improving with each game. I think at this point Samu won't be seeing the pitch again anytime soon.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2020, 07:01 PM

Finally got it done Milan-style.

Hakan changed the game, but I also think Pioli should have said a thing or two in the locker room at half time, cos the attitude was completely different in the second half.

Leao works way better as CF. He's tall and has a good physique. On the wing he thinks he's CR7 and can dribble the whole opponent team.

Anyway, another 3 points. 7 goals scored, 0 conceded. Top spot along with Atlanta, who have scored 13 goals in 3 games yes, but also have conceded 5. So the overall GD is 8-7 for them.

But we also shouldn't forget that we've played against 3 piss-poor opponents. Next match is the derby and that's going to be a whole other deal.

Hopefully we've recovered Zlatan, Rebic and Romagnoli, cos that will make a world of difference.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2020, 07:04 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 4 2020, 06:57 PM) *
Alexis (that's what I will start kalling #56) he deserves his name to be spelled correctly, and since I can't do that, I'll call him by his first. He's been improving with each game. I think at this point Samu won't be seeing the pitch again anytime soon.


Totally agreed. I can't believe I was trashing him only a few weeks ago, but now he's winning me over game by game. I don't even mind him starting games anymore, cos he's becoming pretty good. And I love his attitude. He's running like a madman for 90 minutes, and he looks genuinely involved with the team. Kudos mate, really. When you deserve it, you deserve it.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2020, 07:15 PM

Anyone following the whole Juve-Napoli mess? Juventus just arrived at the stadium, they even announced the official line-up. laugh.gif

I wouldn't be surprised if they even make their way on the pitch. What a comedy.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2020, 07:31 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2020, 07:01 PM) *
Finally got it done Milan-style.

Hakan changed the game, but I also think Pioli should have said a thing or two in the locker room at half time, cos the attitude was completely different in the second half.

Leao works way better as CF. He's tall and has a good physique. On the wing he thinks he's CR7 and can dribble the whole opponent team.

Anyway, another 3 points. 7 goals scored, 0 conceded. Top spot along with Atlanta, who have scored 13 goals in 3 games yes, but also have conceded 5. So the overall GD is 8-7 for them.

But we also shouldn't forget that we've played against 3 piss-poor opponents. Next match is the derby and that's going to be a whole other deal.

Hopefully we've recovered Zlatan, Rebic and Romagnoli, cos that will make a world of difference.

You have to take into account that that was the second string side basically bar Kjaer, Theo and Calabria. It's always going to have an effect, especially when the players are so young. And we all expected this game to be a struggle due to circumstances going into it.

That being said, as soon as the first teamers came on, the change was instant, especially with Hakan.

Still p!ssed off at Leao's lackadaisical attitude, that is not waht I've come to expect from Pioli's Milan, everyone has to contribute in the pressing.

Hopefully we get all those 3 back against Inter and maybe the new CB as well.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2020, 07:04 PM) *
Totally agreed. I can't believe I was trashing him only a few weeks ago, but now he's winning me over game by game. I don't even mind him starting games anymore, cos he's becoming pretty good. And I love his attitude. He's running like a madman for 90 minutes, and he looks genuinely involved with the team. Kudos mate, really. When you deserve it, you deserve it.

Agreed totally. If he continues in this vein, not buying a RW will make a bit more sense for us

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2020, 07:15 PM) *
Anyone following the whole Juve-Napoli mess? Juventus just arrived at the stadium, they even announced the official line-up. laugh.gif

I wouldn't be surprised if they even make their way on the pitch. What a comedy.

They will, simply to get the forfeit

Posted by: William405 Oct 5 2020, 12:02 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 4 2020, 09:31 PM) *
You have to take into account that that was the second string side basically bar Kjaer, Theo and Calabria. It's always going to have an effect, especially when the players are so young. And we all expected this game to be a struggle due to circumstances going into it.

That being said, as soon as the first teamers came on, the change was instant, especially with Hakan.

Still p!ssed off at Leao's lackadaisical attitude, that is not waht I've come to expect from Pioli's Milan, everyone has to contribute in the pressing.

Hopefully we get all those 3 back against Inter and maybe the new CB as well.


I agree with this. Leao I don't really know what to think about him. I think he enormous talent obviously, but he needs to work so much more I believe. You can see that he is kind of half-assing, depending a bit on his talent... In my humble opinion. Sala owned him pretty much the whole game.

I learned lots of things from this game:

Pioli has a formula that works, but it only works when exactly all the components are more or less there. We had the chance really to play Spezia who is a weak team so that we can experiment.

Bennacer and Kessie for me are untouchable in the must-win games. Tonali is very interesting and will be very useful as a rotational player at the moment.

Hakan was exceptional, he was moving all the chess pieces, I understanding benching him for rotational purposes, but he is crucial for this side, and he does seem to be giving that extra effort that he was lacking before.

In general, we were more or less solid defensively. But, on some occasions, the game was so slow and Donnaruma couldn't get the ball to anyone, this is where Hakan was useful.

I hope we get all of our players back for Inter, it will not be an easy game, but I don't see why we can't win it!

Forza Milan!





Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 5 2020, 10:15 AM

It is important that Milan got off on a good start, the team at current is decimated and can only get stronger with players coming back.

There is the risk that the team losses more players to the virus which will impact the consistency of this team in normal circumstances.

Let us be fair, Leao is not a first team starter, he has potential and is being used because the team has lost both Zlatan and Rebic. All negative comments I read here won't amount to anything as he ended up converting two chances to goals. His game play is the same, nothing changed, all he needs is maturity and will get there in time.

The current standings reveal a resorected Milan, but I feel Milan is no where near that. This team should push for a CL birth by season end, but I don't see it finishing above EL spots. So let's tone down the optimism, with all things considered.

Posted by: nuh Oct 6 2020, 02:32 PM

I'm wondering...how would you guys line-up the attack? On paper, I would be happy with putting leao on the right. But my worry is that we wouldn't have an off the bench option. Nor could we use him to rotate with Ibra as they would exhaust him. I think I would go with;

Diaz-Ibra- Rebic

Diaz would need to work on his end product. He seems to be highly skilled just a little raw when it comes to the final third. I hope with some game time, its something he can improve on this.

Also maybe with Dalot coming in using Sale wouldn't be as bad. Dalot is very good going forward and started his career as a RW. He could be used to go forward and Sale could be the one covering for him. I don't think its a bad situation to be honest. My biggest concern is with the defence as X-off said in the summer transfers thread. Both Kjaer and Romagnoli tend to get injuries. Its a possibility that we could potentially line up Gabbia and Mus (or worse Durate). Which would be awful. I'm also annoyed we didn't get a backup for kessie. I like Tonali and I actually don't mind Krunic. But we need a defensive minded midfielder to cover for Kessie and Bakayoko would of been perfect. I thought getting 20 mil for paqueta and getting EL would of helped :/

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 6 2020, 08:58 PM

QUOTE (nuh @ Oct 6 2020, 02:32 PM) *
I'm wondering...how would you guys line-up the attack?


Zlatan
Rebic - Hakan - Saele


Saelemaekers has earned his spot for the time being. But that can change with time. The right wing is our only position where we don't have a fixed starter, but many players can fight to earn a spot: Saelemaekers, Hauge and Brahim in primis.

A big no-no for Leao. He's not ready yet to be a starter, he's nerve-racking on the wing, and we need him as backup for Zlatan.

QUOTE (nuh @ Oct 6 2020, 02:32 PM) *
I thought getting 20 mil for paqueta and getting EL would of helped :/


Indeed. What a gyp it all it turned out to be. Almost 50M earned from the sales of Suso, Paqueta and Rodriguez, +15M from the EL, +30M from the budget, yet we didn't spend anything. Only 10M for Tonali's loan and 5M for Hauge. Clearly management is only concerned for clearing the books.

Posted by: Danny Oct 7 2020, 09:19 PM

QUOTE (nuh @ Oct 6 2020, 02:32 PM) *
I thought getting 20 mil for paqueta and getting EL would of helped :/


EL is only worth 3.5M at this point. Not exactly a lot. CL is where the real money is at.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 8 2020, 10:43 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 8 2020, 12:19 AM) *
EL is only worth 3.5M at this point. Not exactly a lot. CL is where the real money is at.


True that, but this is what is on offer at the moment. The same also provides additional income through sponsorships and merchandising as the club gets more exposure.

Also, I'd like to add that without actually having the clubs income/expenses on hand, we are not in a position to consider that an absolute figure that is available for use in the transfer market. As the club has lost a lot with closure of stadium hence no stadium receipts. While broadcasting have been renegotiated lower if I recall correctly.

These are important factors to consider.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2020, 11:39 AM

I read from many sources that we gained 15M from qualifying to the group stage.

Posted by: Danny Oct 8 2020, 03:00 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 8 2020, 11:39 AM) *
I read from many sources that we gained 15M from qualifying to the group stage.


Basic prize fund for all clubs who get to the group stage is 3.5M.

The only other source of income is TV rights, and that's split among all Italian clubs competing. So in this case, us, Roma and Napoli.

So Rai and Sky Sport who I think carry your Europa League coverage will pay each club a split. But it's nowhere near as high as CL.

So if that's 11M by your numbers, then the UEL is worth about 30-35M in Italy's TV rights.

Tbf that does sound about right.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2020, 04:04 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 8 2020, 03:00 PM) *
Basic prize fund for all clubs who get to the group stage is 3.5M.

The only other source of income is TV rights, and that's split among all Italian clubs competing. So in this case, us, Roma and Napoli.

So Rai and Sky Sport who I think carry your Europa League coverage will pay each club a split. But it's nowhere near as high as CL.

So if that's 11M by your numbers, then the UEL is worth about 30-35M in Italy's TV rights.

Tbf that does sound about right.


Ah, ok. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2020, 04:06 PM

Zlatan and Duarte still positive today.

Also worth noting that Bastoni, Skrinar, Nainggolan and Gagliardini have tested positive for Inter.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 9 2020, 10:36 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 8 2020, 04:06 PM) *
Zlatan and Duarte still positive today.

Also worth noting that Bastoni, Skrinar, Nainggolan and Gagliardini have tested positive for Inter.

Yep, seems like Inter is experiencing a bit of an outbreak. Which is concerning.

Add to that 2 players in the Italy U-21 squad have also tested positive, we have Tonali and Gabbia with them.

International break right now is madness imo. Sending players to mix with other groups of players unnecessarily plus all the travelling is a recipe for disaster. Add to that, these are all meaningless games. They are risking the club season o play meaningless friendlies and Nation's league game. Just incredibly stupid to have the NT break right now

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 9 2020, 06:38 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 9 2020, 10:36 AM) *
International break right now is madness imo. Sending players to mix with other groups of players unnecessarily plus all the travelling is a recipe for disaster. Add to that, these are all meaningless games. They are risking the club season o play meaningless friendlies and Nation's league game. Just incredibly stupid to have the NT break right now


Agreed. NT breaks in general are stupid but having them in this moment is beyond idiotic.

In other news, Zlatan is officially Covid negative.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 9 2020, 06:40 PM

And now Gabbia is Covid positive... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: nuh Oct 10 2020, 10:20 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 9 2020, 07:40 PM) *
And now Gabbia is Covid positive... rolleyes.gif


That’s really unfortunate. I’ve been really impressed with Gabbia’s recent performances. He’s been improving game after game and I think playing with Kjaer, has helped him a lot. I think Kjaer has been helping with positioning and concentration. A little similar to Nesta with T.Silva (obviously to a much lesser extent). I think Gabbia can really turn into a decent squad player, which would be very helpful. A lot of people have the false expectation that if a player comes out of our youth system, they need to be the new Maldini, which shouldn’t be the case. I think if Gabbia turns out to be prime Kaladze it would be really useful.
Is it just me who sees the progress, or do you guys see this too? I feel like on an overall basis he hasn’t been getting enough credit on social media or other forums. He’s bound to make mistakes as he’s only 20, which is really young for a CB. But I really like his calmness which is hard to find with young CB’s.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 10 2020, 01:11 PM

QUOTE (nuh @ Oct 10 2020, 10:20 AM) *
That’s really unfortunate. I’ve been really impressed with Gabbia’s recent performances. He’s been improving game after game and I think playing with Kjaer, has helped him a lot. I think Kjaer has been helping with positioning and concentration. A little similar to Nesta with T.Silva (obviously to a much lesser extent). I think Gabbia can really turn into a decent squad player, which would be very helpful. A lot of people have the false expectation that if a player comes out of our youth system, they need to be the new Maldini, which shouldn’t be the case. I think if Gabbia turns out to be prime Kaladze it would be really useful.
Is it just me who sees the progress, or do you guys see this too? I feel like on an overall basis he hasn’t been getting enough credit on social media or other forums. He’s bound to make mistakes as he’s only 20, which is really young for a CB. But I really like his calmness which is hard to find with young CB’s.


Romagnoli was 10x better than him at 20.

Gabbia makes too many positioning mistakes. He also is a tad slow and not very strong physically despite being quite tall. I think he would make a decent enough 4th choice, but we absolutely needed someone better to sub Kjaer and Romagnoli.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 10 2020, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 9 2020, 06:40 PM) *
And now Gabbia is Covid positive... rolleyes.gif

Yep, one of the two U-21s I mentioned apparently

QUOTE (nuh @ Oct 10 2020, 10:20 AM) *
That’s really unfortunate. I’ve been really impressed with Gabbia’s recent performances. He’s been improving game after game and I think playing with Kjaer, has helped him a lot. I think Kjaer has been helping with positioning and concentration. A little similar to Nesta with T.Silva (obviously to a much lesser extent). I think Gabbia can really turn into a decent squad player, which would be very helpful. A lot of people have the false expectation that if a player comes out of our youth system, they need to be the new Maldini, which shouldn’t be the case. I think if Gabbia turns out to be prime Kaladze it would be really useful.
Is it just me who sees the progress, or do you guys see this too? I feel like on an overall basis he hasn’t been getting enough credit on social media or other forums. He’s bound to make mistakes as he’s only 20, which is really young for a CB. But I really like his calmness which is hard to find with young CB’s.

He's improving and he is reliable. But we've played easy teams. His main issue is that he's very slow. Positioning and strength can be learned/achieved but he would struggle against top opposition unless his positioning is always impeccable, which it isn't

I'm still glad to see him and Calabria breaking through and doing well though.

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Posted by: Danny Oct 14 2020, 12:30 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Oct 13 2020, 09:09 PM) *
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Nope. Serie A should be, and probably will be, suspended again, as I said already.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 15 2020, 11:08 PM

Rebic couldn't make it for the derby. It's between Brahim and Castillejo to replace him, with Mediaset for some reason behind my comprehension having Castillejo starting. God have mercy if that'll be the case...

Posted by: nuh Oct 17 2020, 07:34 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 16 2020, 12:08 AM) *
Rebic couldn't make it for the derby. It's between Brahim and Castillejo to replace him, with Mediaset for some reason behind my comprehension having Castillejo starting. God have mercy if that'll be the case...


I'd prefer playing Leao on the left. Him and Ibra have a good partnership. I think even better than the Ibra Rebic combo.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 17 2020, 12:06 PM

QUOTE (nuh @ Oct 17 2020, 07:34 AM) *
I'd prefer playing Leao on the left. Him and Ibra have a good partnership. I think even better than the Ibra Rebic combo.


Looks like it'll be Leao, which I'm very against. He's trash on the wing.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 17 2020, 12:16 PM

Agreed. But all options seem equally bad or risky at most.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 17 2020, 03:10 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 17 2020, 12:16 PM) *
Agreed. But all options seem equally bad or risky at most.


It begs the question, what did we sign Brahim and Hauge for then?

Posted by: han2503 Oct 17 2020, 04:56 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2020, 03:10 PM) *
It begs the question, what did we sign Brahim and Hauge for then?

It's still pretty early in the season to be asking that, especially with so many games coming up

Not saying you're not correct on the Leao front. He's pants on the wing. But we have options off the bench if he doesn't show up

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 17 2020, 05:53 PM

Shame on that conceded goal. We could have walked in the dressing room with a comfortable lead. But Inter are always dangerous nevertheless every time they attack. We shouldn't be leaving so many open spaces, especially since we're leading.

It's been an enjoyable derby thus far. It could still end up either way, as it did last time.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 17 2020, 05:57 PM

I have a bad feeling about this one.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 17 2020, 06:18 PM

Krunic coming in WTF!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 17 2020, 06:47 PM

I think the pressure is getting to us.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 17 2020, 06:50 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2020, 07:18 PM) *
Krunic coming in WTF!!

Missed a great chance as well

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 17 2020, 06:57 PM

Finally common... A Derby win

Posted by: William405 Oct 17 2020, 07:02 PM

FORZA MILAAAAAAN

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 17 2020, 07:06 PM

FFS man! This second half had me suffering like a b*tch.

It was so ugly, so disorganised by our side. It's been a constant throughout this season, our players simply switch off at some point. They looked exhausted.

And Pioli with his moronic changes. At least bring in Tonali than Krunic, Brahim or Hauge than the catastrophically awful Castillejo who I cannot fathom anymore.

We were lucky in the end. Inter had so many chances, not to mention the close call on their penalty claim. We got kissed by fate there.

All that being said, it feels so good to finally win another derby!

Posted by: Forza Milan! Oct 17 2020, 07:39 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2020, 08:06 PM) *
FFS man! This second half had me suffering like a b*tch.

It was so ugly, so disorganised by our side. It's been a constant throughout this season, our players simply switch off at some point. They looked exhausted.

And Pioli with his moronic changes. At least bring in Tonali than Krunic, Brahim or Hauge than the catastrophically awful Castillejo who I cannot fathom anymore.

We were lucky in the end. Inter had so many chances, not to mention the close call on their penalty claim. We got kissed by fate there.

All that being said, it feels so good to finally win another derby!

Agreed.

Real happy for the win, but ... I don't understand Pioli's obsession with Samu. Yes, he played a few decent games towards the end of last season, but in recent games he has been horrible. Krunic has not done much either.

The game was panful to watch. Inter players got away with a lot. But, a win is a win, and a win against Inter is always a pleasure. And we are top of the table! May not last long, but let's enjoy it while it lasts.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 17 2020, 07:39 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2020, 07:06 PM) *
FFS man! This second half had me suffering like a b*tch.

It was so ugly, so disorganised by our side. It's been a constant throughout this season, our players simply switch off at some point. They looked exhausted.

And Pioli with his moronic changes. At least bring in Tonali than Krunic, Brahim or Hauge than the catastrophically awful Castillejo who I cannot fathom anymore.

We were lucky in the end. Inter had so many chances, not to mention the close call on their penalty claim. We got kissed by fate there.

All that being said, it feels so good to finally win another derby!

I understand the frustration, but I think in hindsight the subs were correct. Krunic added another body in the middle of the pitch.

And I feel like Pioli was very hesitant to put in any of the young players given the tense nature of the game.

Samu did what was needed as well. I've been one of his harshest critics, but he came in, pressed high and put the Inter defenders under pressure.

Yes we had close calls, but we should have ended it given the chances, Samu and Krunic both had.

So all in all, it was a good game. A very good first half with a cagey 2nd. Always to be expected given fatigue was setting in considering the insane schedule some of the players (on both sides) have had to deal with.

As for switching off. We haven't switched off since the Genoa game. You can't control the entire 90 minutes. Especially not against a team like Inter who are title favourites this year btw

Posted by: Forza Milan! Oct 17 2020, 07:47 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 6 2020, 09:58 PM) *
Indeed. What a gyp it all it turned out to be. Almost 50M earned from the sales of Suso, Paqueta and Rodriguez, +15M from the EL, +30M from the budget, yet we didn't spend anything. Only 10M for Tonali's loan and 5M for Hauge. Clearly management is only concerned for clearing the books.

We need to get the team to be on solid financial grounds before we can think about spending. We are paying for massive mistakes made in the past decade. No CL for a long time, no growth in other forms of revenue, ridiculous salaries for mediocre players, massive losses on player value (where other teams have "plusvalenze"). Don't blame Elliott for this, this is on B&G and M&F. And keep in mind that COVID has not helped anyone.
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 8 2020, 11:43 AM) *
[...] without actually having the clubs income/expenses on hand, we are not in a position to consider that an absolute figure that is available for use in the transfer market. As the club has lost a lot with closure of stadium hence no stadium receipts. While broadcasting have been renegotiated lower if I recall correctly.

These are important factors to consider.

Indeed

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 17 2020, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2020, 07:39 PM) *
I understand the frustration, but I think in hindsight the subs were correct. Krunic added another body in the middle of the pitch.

And I feel like Pioli was very hesitant to put in any of the young players given the tense nature of the game.

Samu did what was needed as well. I've been one of his harshest critics, but he came in, pressed high and put the Inter defenders under pressure.

Yes we had close calls, but we should have ended it given the chances, Samu and Krunic both had.

So all in all, it was a good game. A very good first half with a cagey 2nd. Always to be expected given fatigue was setting in considering the insane schedule some of the players (on both sides) have had to deal with.

As for switching off. We haven't switched off since the Genoa game. You can't control the entire 90 minutes. Especially not against a team like Inter who are title favourites this year btw


Oh come on, man!

Castillejo did what was needed? Many players can press high, but you also have to look at what extra qualities they can bring when coming in, especially in a delicate game like this. We had so many counterattacks that Castillejo completely squandered with his inability to do anything decent. Even got an elbow by Ibra after the nth waste.

I'm not saying I was against the idea of adding more bodies in midfield, but put in Tonali, not Krunic. We signed all these new exciting youngsters yet we still rely on old garbage. It's not like Krunic or Castillejo have any more experience in these games than the likes of Tonali, Brahim or Hauge do.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 17 2020, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2020, 07:51 PM) *
Oh come on, man!

Castillejo did what was needed? Many players can press high, but you also have to look at what extra qualities they can bring when coming in, especially in a delicate game like this. We had so many counterattacks that Castillejo completely squandered with his inability to do anything decent. Even got an elbow by Ibra after the nth waste.

I'm not saying I was against the idea of adding more bodies in midfield, but put in Tonali, not Krunic. We signed all these new exciting youngsters yet we still rely on old garbage. It's not like Krunic or Castillejo have any more experience in these games than the likes of Tonali, Brahim or Hauge do.

Did Pioli play it safe? Yes. But given our recent derby history I understand his decisions.

Tonali has looked nervous in his previous games. I don't think this was this right time to put him in

Regarding Samu, I didn't compliment his attacking play, but he did help in other areas.

We're really going to nit-pick winning the derby? After a 4 year dry spell?

And have Inter never gotten lucky during that time and got the 3 points?

Posted by: han2503 Oct 17 2020, 08:01 PM

Conte to Sky:" Milan were good and often quite lucky at the time."

You make your own luck. In the past luck has eluded us because we were not good enough. We didn't press the situation because we never believed in ourselves. That is the key difference.

We had Romagnoli coming back from a very long injury in the central defence, up against, imo, the best striker duo in the league. And our defence held up. Yes there were shaky moments, but you can't keep complete control for the entire 90

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 17 2020, 08:03 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2020, 07:58 PM) *
Did Pioli play it safe? Yes. But given our recent derby history I understand his decisions.

Tonali has looked nervous in his previous games. I don't think this was this right time to put him in

Regarding Samu, I didn't compliment his attacking play, but he did help in other areas.

We're really going to nit-pick winning the derby? After a 4 year dry spell?

And have Inter never gotten lucky during that time and got the 3 points?


Sorry, but I'm not the kind of guy who just looks at the result and smiles.

Pioli made it more difficult for us, is what I'm saying. I simply hate the idea of fielding useless players in delicate situations like this when the stakes are very high. We were incredibly lucky, and we might be singing another song had any one of their chances gone in.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 17 2020, 09:02 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2020, 08:03 PM) *
Sorry, but I'm not the kind of guy who just looks at the result and smiles.

Pioli made it more difficult for us, is what I'm saying. I simply hate the idea of fielding useless players in delicate situations like this when the stakes are very high. We were incredibly lucky, and we might be singing another song had any one of their chances gone in.

Understood. But sometimes you just take the 3 points and smile. Not every game is going to be champagne football or even comfortable.

I get your points, and agree with them to a certain point. But I also understand why Pioli made the decisions that he did.



Let's look ahead to Celtic. Danny must be having a grand old day, 2 for 2 on derby day since Rangers won 2-0.

I think we should rest some players for this one. Hakan, Bennacer or Kessie should sit it out. Tonali and Brahim should play instead. Would love to see Hauge starting on the wing as well.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 17 2020, 09:04 PM

oh, and btw, why do Inter have Skriniar on the bench and are playing with 4 WBs/FBs? Kolarov and D'Ambrosio were just awful on both goals. Conte and his fetishes really are aggravating

Posted by: han2503 Oct 17 2020, 09:11 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2020, 09:04 PM) *
oh, and btw, why do Inter have Skriniar on the bench and are playing with 4 WBs/FBs? Kolarov and D'Ambrosio were just awful on both goals. Conte and his fetishes really are aggravating

Correction. Apparently Skriniar has the Rona. But from what I read from Inter fans, Conte is not fond of him

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 17 2020, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2020, 09:11 PM) *
Correction. Apparently Skriniar has the Rona. But from what I read from Inter fans, Conte is not fond of him


He was rumoured to leave but then stayed. Conte isn't indeed fond of him.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 17 2020, 09:54 PM

About tonight's performances, I thought Kjaer, Calabria, Kessie and Ibra were our best players. Worth noting that both goals started from Calabria. He simply owned Perisic tonight.

Romagnoli and Theo were pretty bad. I understand Romagnoli who was coming from 3 months of inactivity, but Theo completely lost his duel with Hakimi. Not gonna mention Castillejo again.

I would have included Leao as well, but he assisted the second goal, so that sort of dismisses him. But he was pretty poor. He can't play on the wing, at least not under Pioli's system. He's too immobile off the ball, doesn't press, doesn't combine well enough with the other players, like Saelemaekers for example does. He just doesn't fit, and looks like an external body who just awaits for the ball to do his own tricks.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 18 2020, 02:07 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2020, 09:54 PM) *
About tonight's performances, I thought Kjaer, Calabria, Kessie and Ibra were our best players. Worth noting that both goals started from Calabria. He simply owned Perisic tonight.

Romagnoli and Theo were pretty bad. I understand Romagnoli who was coming from 3 months of inactivity, but Theo completely lost his duel with Hakimi. Not gonna mention Castillejo again.

I would have included Leao as well, but he assisted the second goal, so that sort of dismisses him. But he was pretty poor. He can't play on the wing, at least not under Pioli's system. He's too immobile off the ball, doesn't press, doesn't combine well enough with the other players, like Saelemaekers for example does. He just doesn't fit, and looks like an external body who just awaits for the ball to do his own tricks.

I thought Theo was okay. Looked preoccupied with Hakimi though and just was not willing to make his usual runs, probably fearing he'd be caught out if the ball is lost. Generally speaking he didn't allow Hakimi to create too much on that side though which is good as Theo defensively is still a bit of a question mark for me. He usually recovers due to his speed but Hakimi is probably one of the few players faster than him.

Agreed about the good performers. I'd also add Hakan there. But Ibra aside. Kessie was my MotM. It's truly amazing how much he's grown under Pioli.

Agreed about Leao. We should only use him as a CF sub for Ibra. He's not a winger. And even though he did turn D'Ambrosio around a couple of times, I think had we had a proper winger on that side, we'd have probably inflicted more damage on Inter.

Posted by: Danny Oct 18 2020, 03:54 PM

Top of the table. 4 wins out of 4. Derby win.

And MF regulars still whine.

Posted by: William405 Oct 18 2020, 03:55 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 18 2020, 05:54 PM) *
Top of the table. 4 wins out of 4. Derby win.

And MF regulars still whine.


We are used to winning champions league titles biggrin.gif

Posted by: Forza Milan! Oct 18 2020, 05:19 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 18 2020, 04:54 PM) *
Top of the table. 4 wins out of 4. Derby win.

And MF regulars still whine.

Indeed.

For weeks I keep reading (on various forums) stuff like "inadequate team; horrible mercato; we barely won against week teams (like Crotone), better teams (like Juve) surely will dominate them; first game we will play against a tough opponent (like Inter) we will get trashed". Yet ... we are winning games where we would have struggled in the past, conceded only one goal (from a high scoring Inter), and other teams have their problems. Only teams that really worries me is Napoli (all others have shown their limitations).

Yes, this is a long way from winning CL. OTOH, we have been little more than a mid-table team in recent years, and we are not going to go back to the old glory days overnight.

Let's enjoy the moment. Forza Milan!

Posted by: Forza Milan! Oct 18 2020, 05:35 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2020, 09:03 PM) *
Pioli made it more difficult for us, is what I'm saying. I simply hate the idea of fielding useless players in delicate situations like this when the stakes are very high. We were incredibly lucky, and we might be singing another song had any one of their chances gone in.

Yes, we did get lucky. OTOH, after reading some commentaries on the game, I think I understand Pioli's strategy a little better. As I understand it, Pioli played a risky game for the first 60 minutes, using players (like Leao) that could exploit Inter's defensive weakness, but leaving us exposed as well (in particular, Roma and Theo struggled). The strategy worked in the first half, but Inter was getting way too many chances after the break. Bringing Krunic and Samu was all about shoring up the defense and preserving the win. Going to a 4-3-3 closed Inter's attack lanes, and Samu was favored over more attack-minded (but risky) options (like Diaz and Hague). Inter still had chances, but less so.

I still think Samu needs to be replaced with someone better, and we need upgrades as well as more depth in multiple areas.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 18 2020, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 18 2020, 05:19 PM) *
Indeed.

For weeks I keep reading (on various forums) stuff like "inadequate team; horrible mercato; we barely won against week teams (like Crotone), better teams (like Juve) surely will dominate them; first game we will play against a tough opponent (like Inter) we will get trashed". Yet ... we are winning games where we would have struggled in the past, conceded only one goal (from a high scoring Inter), and other teams have their problems. Only teams that really worries me is Napoli (all others have shown their limitations).

Yes, this is a long way from winning CL. OTOH, we have been little more than a mid-table team in recent years, and we are not going to go back to the old glory days overnight.

Let's enjoy the moment. Forza Milan!

Agreed.

Napoli and Atalanta for me are both the scary teams in the league due to their attacking acumen. Napoli absolutely destroyed Atalanta yesterday, but on any other day, it could have easily been the reverse.

Juve drew to Crotone yesterday, Roma are losing to Benevento atm. I thin this is going to be a crazy season, with crazy score lines. The Covid effect factoring in, not to mention the compressed fixture list.

That being said, we've started the season out strong. Complaining right now, is pointless. Yes we haven't really geared up to the level of play we were at after the restart but certain things have factored into that, mainly the limited preparation going into the season, the loss of Zlatan, Rebic and Romagnoli and fatigue playing a part as well. Our run of games after the restart we were incredibly fit, and were managing to outrun our opponents in most games, I expect us to regain those fitness levels in time, and with that the more fluid play will come.

All in all, I'm very happy with how things are going so far. We have a strong group and it is clear that the team spirit is high with everyone playing for each other

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 18 2020, 05:35 PM) *
Yes, we did get lucky. OTOH, after reading some commentaries on the game, I think I understand Pioli's strategy a little better. As I understand it, Pioli played a risky game for the first 60 minutes, using players (like Leao) that could exploit Inter's defensive weakness, but leaving us exposed as well (in particular, Roma and Theo struggled). The strategy worked in the first half, but Inter was getting way too many chances after the break. Bringing Krunic and Samu was all about shoring up the defense and preserving the win. Going to a 4-3-3 closed Inter's attack lanes, and Samu was favored over more attack-minded (but risky) options (like Diaz and Hague). Inter still had chances, but less so.

I still think Samu needs to be replaced with someone better, and we need upgrades as well as more depth in multiple areas.

Agreed. I scratched my head when he put on Krunic as well. But I think it helped out in closing the spaces, especially with Kessie and Bennacer tiring out.

Re Theo and Romagnoli. You have to also look at the fact that Leao was on their flank, while Alexis was on Calabria's side, and he goes from doubling up as a FB to attacking, while Leao doesn't help out as much, plus this being Inter's stronger side with Hakimi

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 18 2020, 11:35 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 18 2020, 03:54 PM) *
Top of the table. 4 wins out of 4. Derby win.

And MF regulars still whine.


If there's room to criticise, then I don't see the problem in doing that. Like I said before, I'm not the kind of guy who just looks at the result and smile. I always want us to get better and make as few mistakes as possible. It's how winners such as our club should think.

Am I happy with the results thus far? Extremely. But that's another matter entirely.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 19 2020, 04:52 PM

4 games down, 34 to go in the league.

Didn't like the derby, first 20-30 minutes were good, Milan were calm and in control. The rest, Milan were organized and covered as a team, but the individual qualities prevailed where inter clearly trumps Milan.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, and hope for a CL birth. At the very least EL.

Posted by: Danny Oct 21 2020, 12:06 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 18 2020, 11:35 PM) *
If there's room to criticise, then I don't see the problem in doing that. Like I said before, I'm not the kind of guy who just looks at the result and smile. I always want us to get better and make as few mistakes as possible. It's how winners such as our club should think.


That club you're thinking of is gone. This is a new Milan, and achieving what we have is wonderful.

If you remain stuck in the late 80s and the last 20 years you'll never be able to support what the club is now.

QUOTE
Am I happy with the results thus far? Extremely. But that's another matter entirely.


Is it? Results are the whole point of football.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 21 2020, 02:32 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 12:06 PM) *
That club you're thinking of is gone. This is a new Milan, and achieving what we have is wonderful.

If you remain stuck in the late 80s and the last 20 years you'll never be able to support what the club is now.


Yeah, but it's where we should strive to get back to. That's the whole point.

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 12:06 PM) *
Is it? Results are the whole point of football.


Just results? How you you achieve those results doesn't matter? Getting some perspective on whether we'll be able to continue attaining these results in the mid-to-long term? We need to keep improving if we want to become great again.

Posted by: Danny Oct 21 2020, 03:48 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 21 2020, 02:32 PM) *
Yeah, but it's where we should strive to get back to. That's the whole point.


And when we get there we can once again have the mindset of winners. Hard to have that champion outlook when you're outta that loop for 10 years. The obvious examples is Liverpool and Leeds - both champions in the 70s and 80s and 90s but had a 30-year hiatus - can't read the mind of their fans but thinking they're still successful and acting like they should be, if they did, achieved absolutely nothing.

Unfortunately we need to adjust to what we are. It's in the DNA of Milan to be champions, but this is not the Milan of that DNA right now. And as result, being top of the table, 4 wins out of 4 and beating Inter with the goal record we have this season is absolutely remarkable.

I wanted to eat humble pie some months ago about us sustaining tail end of last season into November December. It looks like I might get a feast. And now it's YOU unhappy with the state of play instead!?

QUOTE
Just results?


Yes.

QUOTE
How you you achieve those results doesn't matter?


No, it really doesn't.

QUOTE
Getting some perspective on whether we'll be able to continue attaining these results in the mid-to-long term?


From an analysis point of view I have no complaint about looking in depth at things like stats (our great friend these days wink.gif) and looking at the bigger picture. But football will always be about results - not how you got them.

QUOTE
We need to keep improving if we want to become great again.


Let's be honest - even Carlo's Milan wasn't always great, in fact, it was often far from it - often won ugly and some of his selections were terrible. It's not about being great, it's about winning. Winning is in this club's DNA, however that is achieved.

And if we win the league this season with pure luck and winning each match 1-0 while half the goals are OGs, it's still a win!

Posted by: Forza Milan! Oct 21 2020, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 19 2020, 12:35 AM) *
Am I happy with the results thus far? Extremely. But that's another matter entirely.

We are getting results *and* we are playing a much more attractive style than we had for a long time. We are well below CL level, and I agree we need to strive to get back there. However, that is not going to happen overnight.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Oct 21 2020, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 04:48 PM) *
And when we get there we can once again have the mindset of winners. Hard to have that champion outlook when you're outta that loop for 10 years. The obvious examples is Liverpool and Leeds - both champions in the 70s and 80s and 90s but had a 30-year hiatus - can't read the mind of their fans but thinking they're still successful and acting like they should be, if they did, achieved absolutely nothing.

Unfortunately we need to adjust to what we are. It's in the DNA of Milan to be champions, but this is not the Milan of that DNA right now. And as result, being top of the table, 4 wins out of 4 and beating Inter with the goal record we have this season is absolutely remarkable.

I wanted to eat humble pie some months ago about us sustaining tail end of last season into November December. It looks like I might get a feast. And now it's YOU unhappy with the state of play instead!?

Yes.

No, it really doesn't.

From an analysis point of view I have no complaint about looking in depth at things like stats (our great friend these days wink.gif) and looking at the bigger picture. But football will always be about results - not how you got them.

Let's be honest - even Carlo's Milan wasn't always great, in fact, it was often far from it - often won ugly and some of his selections were terrible. It's not about being great, it's about winning. Winning is in this club's DNA, however that is achieved.

And if we win the league this season with pure luck and winning each match 1-0 while half the goals are OGs, it's still a win!

+1

Posted by: Danny Oct 21 2020, 03:59 PM

PS what's the deal with this 'European Premier League' - have Milan got any involvement in this?

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 21 2020, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 03:48 PM) *
And when we get there we can once again have the mindset of winners. Hard to have that champion outlook when you're outta that loop for 10 years. The obvious examples is Liverpool and Leeds - both champions in the 70s and 80s and 90s but had a 30-year hiatus - can't read the mind of their fans but thinking they're still successful and acting like they should be, if they did, achieved absolutely nothing.

Unfortunately we need to adjust to what we are. It's in the DNA of Milan to be champions, but this is not the Milan of that DNA right now. And as result, being top of the table, 4 wins out of 4 and beating Inter with the goal record we have this season is absolutely remarkable.

I wanted to eat humble pie some months ago about us sustaining tail end of last season into November December. It looks like I might get a feast. And now it's YOU unhappy with the state of play instead!?



Yes.



No, it really doesn't.



From an analysis point of view I have no complaint about looking in depth at things like stats (our great friend these days wink.gif) and looking at the bigger picture. But football will always be about results - not how you got them.



Let's be honest - even Carlo's Milan wasn't always great, in fact, it was often far from it - often won ugly and some of his selections were terrible. It's not about being great, it's about winning. Winning is in this club's DNA, however that is achieved.

And if we win the league this season with pure luck and winning each match 1-0 while half the goals are OGs, it's still a win!


I get you, I really do. But we've already made that first important step forward. This is not the same Milan of the last 10 years. We're finally getting results, winning big games, we have an identity, a real leader, a coach with a vision, and we're playing realitvely well.

We should build on all this. This year it'll be back to CL, next year I expect us to fight for the scudetto. But only if we're improving. No steps backwards should be accepted anymore.

Posted by: Danny Oct 21 2020, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 21 2020, 04:05 PM) *
I get you, I really do. But we've already made that first important step forward. This is not the same Milan of the last 10 years. We're finally getting results, winning big games, we have an identity, a real leader, a coach with a vision, and we're playing realitvely well.


The same coach getting slaughtered in the match thread?!

I do actually eat humble pie on the impact Pioli has made, thought he'd be another mess, but he's been really great and we do look like we're building something tangible.

Getting results and winning big games - isn't that exactly the point I'm making?

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We should build on all this. This year it'll be back to CL, next year I expect us to fight for the scudetto. But only if we're improving. No steps backwards should be accepted anymore.


I don't disagree, but we've not earn the right to expect. Not yet.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 21 2020, 10:14 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 09:03 PM) *
The same coach getting slaughtered in the match thread?!


Slaughtered? I only criticised his subs, calm down.

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 09:03 PM) *
Getting results and winning big games - isn't that exactly the point I'm making?


That's only part of what I said.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Oct 21 2020, 11:00 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 04:59 PM) *
PS what's the deal with this 'European Premier League' - have Milan got any involvement in this?

We may be involved but I am not sure. Either way, I am not convinced this is a great idea. While CL has been dominated by a short list of teams, it is good to see the occasional "outsider" making it to the final stages of the competition. If we have a competition with the same teams, it may be interesting for a few years, but after a while it may lose much of its appeal.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 22 2020, 12:13 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 21 2020, 11:00 PM) *
We may be involved but I am not sure. Either way, I am not convinced this is a great idea. While CL has been dominated by a short list of teams, it is good to see the occasional "outsider" making it to the final stages of the competition. If we have a competition with the same teams, it may be interesting for a few years, but after a while it may lose much of its appeal.

Meh, I think clubs should push for it.

It will render UEFA powerless. Their FFP BS is getting on people's nerves big time, especially when teams like City and PSG keep escaping punishment, while others have to play by the rules.

I say the top clubs should go for it, and negotiate an astronomical TV deal that would put UEFA out of business.


Back to Milan


We've lost Hakan through an ankle injury, not worried about this game in particular as I wanted Pioli to rest him, but he won't be available for the Roma game which is a big blow.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 22 2020, 12:32 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2020, 12:13 PM) *
Meh, I think clubs should push for it.

It will render UEFA powerless. Their FFP BS is getting on people's nerves big time, especially when teams like City and PSG keep escaping punishment, while others have to play by the rules.

I say the top clubs should go for it, and negotiate an astronomical TV deal that would put UEFA out of business.


Good point. They can go f*ck themselves with their FFP bullshit.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2020, 12:13 PM) *
We've lost Hakan through an ankle injury, not worried about this game in particular as I wanted Pioli to rest him, but he won't be available for the Roma game which is a big blow.


Yeah, big blow, considering we might still have Rebic unavailable as well.

For tonight looks like Dalot might start. Mediaset also has Castillejo starting, and Krunic as LAM which I'm not even even gonna bother with anymore.

Posted by: Danny Oct 22 2020, 03:36 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2020, 12:13 PM) *
Meh, I think clubs should push for it.

It will render UEFA powerless. Their FFP BS is getting on people's nerves big time, especially when teams like City and PSG keep escaping punishment, while others have to play by the rules.


tbf City were banned from Europe, until they got it overturned. And it was overturned by a higher court than UEFA so it's not like they chose that.

I get your point, but if you let the likes of City and PSG just spend what they want to, football will lose what little soul it has left and it will be literally about buying success and, player prices, already f*cking insane, will rise so madly as to devalue money so badly that currency may well get affected.

For goodness sake FFP is what stopped City signing Messi for 750M.

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I say the top clubs should go for it, and negotiate an astronomical TV deal that would put UEFA out of business.


Aren't you just advocating another evil to replace UEFA?

Posted by: Danny Oct 22 2020, 03:41 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 21 2020, 11:00 PM) *
We may be involved but I am not sure. Either way, I am not convinced this is a great idea. While CL has been dominated by a short list of teams, it is good to see the occasional "outsider" making it to the final stages of the competition. If we have a competition with the same teams, it may be interesting for a few years, but after a while it may lose much of its appeal.


I'm very hmmmmmmmmmm about it. I like the idea of alternatives to stop UEFA's dominant BS, which Han and others allude to, but it's like a dictator - when you depose a dictator you just end up replacing them with another one.

Neither UEFA or FIFA like this plan, because of course it's a huge rival to them, but tbf the CL isn't as fun as it used to be.

It's too clinical, too elitist, and while I admit I wish my teams (Rangers and Milan) were in it of course, there's something more clinical about it these days than even five or 10 years ago.

I was actually talking about this with the missus. The first ever CL, back in 1992/93.

Both my teams were two of the founders, and of course we had Brugge, Marseiile CSKA, Porto, PSV in there as well.

But they were all champions of their country, no non champions got in - Rangers only made it by beating English champions Leeds to qualify.

Now it's been so watered down and moneyed up that it isn't even fun any more.

Posted by: William405 Oct 22 2020, 08:14 PM

Krunic!!! X-off 😅

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 22 2020, 08:49 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 22 2020, 08:14 PM) *
Krunic!!! X-off 😅


From Castillejo's assist nonetheless.

Easy game. Celtic are really bad.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 22 2020, 08:52 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 22 2020, 03:36 PM) *
tbf City were banned from Europe, until they got it overturned. And it was overturned by a higher court than UEFA so it's not like they chose that.

I get your point, but if you let the likes of City and PSG just spend what they want to, football will lose what little soul it has left and it will be literally about buying success and, player prices, already f*cking insane, will rise so madly as to devalue money so badly that currency may well get affected.

For goodness sake FFP is what stopped City signing Messi for 750M.



Aren't you just advocating another evil to replace UEFA?

But don't they already do that?

PSG, City, Real have all the leverage because they have unlimited money. FFP handicaps clubs even more. I just think it's BS, It is absolutely not a fair system, PSG and City have used loopholes to get around the rules, and not all clubs can do that. FFP has basically created a monopoly between 6 clubs or so. The CL has lost it's excitement because of it. I think player prices will start to go down, you can already see it happening this summer. The only club that went crazy was Chelsea, probably because they didn't make any transfers last summer because of their ban.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 22 2020, 08:54 PM

Good first half, Krunic is in the centre, which imo is his natural position.


I'd personally swap in Hauge for Krunic and Leao for Ibra in the 2nd half, we need to look ahead to Roma.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 22 2020, 09:28 PM

As in nearly every game this season thus far, we simply stop playing in the second half.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 22 2020, 09:34 PM

1-2

Deserved.

Posted by: William405 Oct 22 2020, 09:48 PM

Hauge!!!

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 22 2020, 09:53 PM

Pathetic second half. Either we stop caring or get tired, I can't tell which one is it. But it's getting worrying.

Happy for Hauge. Pioli should start giving him more time than the usual final 10-15 minutes.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 22 2020, 09:54 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 22 2020, 09:28 PM) *
As in nearly every game this season thus far, we simply stop playing in the second half.

Yeah, we relaxed, but I don't agree that we've stopped playing in all our 2nd halves. Aside from the Inter game, where we were under pressure but did not concede in the 2nd half, the other games we've played were all balanced in terms of how we play both halves (Maybe you have a case with the Rio Ave game as well where we were dead tired by the 2nd half).

You also have to factor in fatigue setting in as the game goes on. We've played the most games so far compared to the other Serie A teams, in a very compressed period of time. It's going to take effect

That being said, today we definitely took our feet off the gas around the 60th minute mark, especially when Kessie came off, he's our anchor in that midfield and Bennacer didn't come on strong. I think they felt they could cruise the rest of the game given how poor Celtic were

Posted by: han2503 Oct 22 2020, 09:58 PM

I have a bad feeling Pioli is going to play Krunic against Roma


I really hope I'm wrong here, Celtic is at the right level where he can look half decent, but against Roma he won't cut it. Diaz should be playing instead of Hakan

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 22 2020, 10:03 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2020, 09:54 PM) *
Yeah, we relaxed, but I don't agree that we've stopped playing in all our 2nd halves. Aside from the Inter game, where we were under pressure but did not concede in the 2nd half, the other games we've played were all balanced in terms of how we play both halves (Maybe you have a case with the Rio Ave game as well where we were dead tired by the 2nd half).

You also have to factor in fatigue setting in as the game goes on. We've played the most games so far compared to the other Serie A teams, in a very compressed period of time. It's going to take effect

That being said, today we definitely took our feet off the gas around the 60th minute mark, especially when Kessie came off, he's our anchor in that midfield and Bennacer didn't come on strong. I think they felt they could cruise the rest of the game given how poor Celtic were


Nah, even before Kessie got off. We reentered the pitch with a different mentality, like the game was won so we just had to sit tight and fend off their meager attacks, when in reality Lenon's change of formation and Celtic's grit truly put us under pressure.

And no, it wasn't just this game or the Inter game. Aside from SPAL where we were 0-0 at half time, in nearly every other game we've let this happen. Bologna, Bodo, Crotone, Rio Ave, it's been the same to some degree or another.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 22 2020, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2020, 09:58 PM) *
I have a bad feeling Pioli is going to play Krunic against Roma


I really hope I'm wrong here, Celtic is at the right level where he can look half decent, but against Roma he won't cut it. Diaz should be playing instead of Hakan


Indeed. Krunic is such a mediocre player. Tonight he looked half decent inn the first half cos Celtic were truly sh*t, but he has no place to start games in the Serie A, especially as trequartista.

Dalot looked pretty average as well. I liked him defensively, but for a fullback he looked like another Conti, maybe even worse.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 22 2020, 10:23 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 22 2020, 10:03 PM) *
Nah, even before Kessie got off. We reentered the pitch with a different mentality, like the game was won so we just had to sit tight and fend off their meager attacks, when in reality Lenon's change of formation and Celtic's grit truly put us under pressure.

And no, it wasn't just this game or the Inter game. Aside from SPAL where we were 0-0 at half time, in nearly every other game we've let this happen. Bologna, Bodo, Crotone, Rio Ave, it's been the same to some degree or another.

SPAL? We haven't played them yet have we?

I think you're nit-picking a bit here to not let yourself buy into this too much because we've been burned a lot in the past.

Yes, today we took the 2nd half a bit too lightly, but imo, we only came under pressure once Kessie came off, not before then, we were still relatively comfortable for the first 15 minutes or so of the half, and aside from 2 plays, we were never really pressured seriously.

Let's just enjoy this, yes there still needs to be improvement, I think the games we played at the end of last season were more fluid and we had better fitness levels, all things we can achieve as the season progresses. If we get to that level we can beat any team, as we demonstrated just 2 months ago.

The fact the we have so many things to be excited about in this team, especially all the young players who are all showing their quality

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 22 2020, 10:06 PM) *
Indeed. Krunic is such a mediocre player. Tonight he looked half decent inn the first half cos Celtic were truly sh*t, but he has no place to start games in the Serie A, especially as trequartista.

Dalot looked pretty average as well. I liked him defensively, but for a fullback he looked like another Conti, maybe even worse.

Agreed re Krunic. He's just average. Plus he made some really bad errors in that 2nd half

Tonali also needs to improve imo. He's taking too long on the ball. He needs to be quicker and be more accurate with his passing.

I actually liked Dalot, Celtic were double teaming us heavily on the wings, they did their homework re how we use our FBs. Theo rarely managed to break free as well. Plus this is his first game. That being said, if he doesn't impress, we simply send him back to Man U, no harm, no foul

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 22 2020, 10:51 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2020, 10:23 PM) *
SPAL? We haven't played them yet have we?

I think you're nit-picking a bit here to not let yourself buy into this too much because we've been burned a lot in the past.

Yes, today we took the 2nd half a bit too lightly, but imo, we only came under pressure once Kessie came off, not before then, we were still relatively comfortable for the first 15 minutes or so of the half, and aside from 2 plays, we were never really pressured seriously.

Let's just enjoy this, yes there still needs to be improvement, I think the games we played at the end of last season were more fluid and we had better fitness levels, all things we can achieve as the season progresses. If we get to that level we can beat any team, as we demonstrated just 2 months ago.

The fact the we have so many things to be excited about in this team, especially all the young players who are all showing their quality


Agreed re Krunic. He's just average. Plus he made some really bad errors in that 2nd half

Tonali also needs to improve imo. He's taking too long on the ball. He needs to be quicker and be more accurate with his passing.

I actually liked Dalot, Celtic were double teaming us heavily on the wings, they did their homework re how we use our FBs. Theo rarely managed to break free as well. Plus this is his first game. That being said, if he doesn't impress, we simply send him back to Man U, no harm, no foul


I meant Spezia.

And I don't think I'm nitpicking. I'm not saying we should play extraordinary football cos we don't have the right players to do so, but just to keep up the momentum for the whole match. We shouldn't doze off like this cos then it becomes a bad habit, not to mention it doesn't bode well in terms of mentality improvement.

We need to be continuously aggressive, something we did really well after the lockdown last season.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 23 2020, 08:10 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 22 2020, 10:51 PM) *
I meant Spezia.

And I don't think I'm nitpicking. I'm not saying we should play extraordinary football cos we don't have the right players to do so, but just to keep up the momentum for the whole match. We shouldn't doze off like this cos then it becomes a bad habit, not to mention it doesn't bode well in terms of mentality improvement.

We need to be continuously aggressive, something we did really well after the lockdown last season.

Sure, but fatigue would not allow your legs to keep to that kind of pressing. That will come as we regain fitness levels as they were post lockdown imo

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 23 2020, 10:09 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 23 2020, 08:10 AM) *
Sure, but fatigue would not allow your legs to keep to that kind of pressing. That will come as we regain fitness levels as they were post lockdown imo


That is not a justification. Other teams also get fatigued, but they still keep playing. Besides, against Celtic we had many players who didn’t start on Saturday so you can’t say fatigue was a motive.

Look, even if we decide that after a 2-0 lead at HT we want to manage the result without pressing as much, I understand that completely. But there’s a difference between managing a result and simply switching off, which is what we’ve been doing lately.

Posted by: Danny Oct 23 2020, 02:52 PM

Good night this one for me biggrin.gif

Posted by: Danny Oct 23 2020, 03:00 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2020, 08:52 PM) *
But don't they already do that?


No, because PSG and City, since this spending level began, haven't won a thing in Europe? That's what buying success is.

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PSG, City, Real


Real are terrible these days?

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have all the leverage because they have unlimited money. FFP handicaps clubs even more. I just think it's BS, It is absolutely not a fair system, PSG and City have used loopholes to get around the rules, and not all clubs can do that. FFP has basically created a monopoly between 6 clubs or so. The CL has lost it's excitement because of it. I think player prices will start to go down, you can already see it happening this summer. The only club that went crazy was Chelsea, probably because they didn't make any transfers last summer because of their ban.


You say a monopoly but Barca, Real, PSG - their time has gone (PSG already lost twice this season). There wasn't a single Spanish or English side in the last four of the CL last season. Monopoly? You sure?

Right now it's anyone's game, even Liverpool's little flurry has gone. The sport is actually more open than it's been for a long time.

Prices going down? They're the same as always. There was just less movement of the absolute world's best players.

But whatever the reasons for CL losing excitement, it has, tangibly, and definitely.

We agree there!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 26 2020, 12:22 PM

Donnaruma and Huage along with three other players were positive for covid19.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 26 2020, 01:28 PM

*Three members of the team group.

Hopefully others have not been infected.

On the bright side, Hakan has recovered and should play from the start.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 09:36 PM

Donna missing cost us that goal, don't understand what Tatarusanu was trying to do there...

Good first half so far though, should be leading imo.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 26 2020, 09:43 PM

F*cking Tatarusanu, man. Why do we always opt for such shitty second goalies. Why couldn't we get someone reliable like Mirante. Every time Roma shoot or there's a corner I have shudders.

I thought we played well overall. There were about 15 minutes that we kind of forgot how to play football, but eventually got around to holding possession. Not many great combinations, though, should do better from that aspect. Quite unlucky on Kjaer's post.

I must say, though, Theo has been massively disappointing lately. He doesn't push, doesn't dribble the opponent, he's too static.

Gotta win this. No excuses. Roma are not that great.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 10:17 PM

How was that a penalty??

Pedro literally stamped on Bennacer's foot!

Posted by: William405 Oct 26 2020, 10:17 PM

Mannn how was that a penalty

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 26 2020, 10:18 PM

This f*cking ref!!! That was foul on Bennacer! Couldn't even bother to check the VAR. What a theft!

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 10:23 PM

Then Mancini with the blatant handball and he whistles on Ibra...

Posted by: William405 Oct 26 2020, 10:24 PM

This ref omg

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 10:24 PM

Gives us the return penalty

Knew the first one did not exist

IBRA

Posted by: William405 Oct 26 2020, 10:26 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 27 2020, 12:24 AM) *
Gives us the return penalty

Knew the first one did not exist

IBRA


Yes but come on this is wierd

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 10:29 PM

FFS!!

Defend the corners!

3-3

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 10:30 PM

This keeper man! No one is trusting him and it's chaos when the ball is in our box

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 10:32 PM

The other Donnarumma should start the next game, this guy is useless

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 10:34 PM

Here we are with bobble head in goal, while Mirante is doing miracles for Roma!


How did he save that??!

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 10:41 PM

F"?!$"?%"?%

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 10:41 PM

What a miss!

Should have won this!

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 10:46 PM

How the Kessie and Romagnoli headers did not go in... So unlucky and wasteful as well!

Tatarusanu man... Roma barely shot at our goal. Yes the set-piece defending should be better, but wtf was that?? Scrambling in our area on every corner. He should not be starting the next game.

I think the only chance from open play that Roma created was that Dzeko shot that went over, other than that nothing. But the corners... So bad at defending them suddenly. Pioli needs to work on that. We've conceded 3 corners in the last 2 games!

But the fact that the goalie is not trustworthy in such situations will cause the players to panic as well, which is what happened, especially on the 3rd Roma goal

We've really f'd up our goal difference with this game, plus our perfect record comes to an end... sad.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 26 2020, 10:46 PM

Man I'm so pissed. Roma did jackshit and still managed to score three times. Those frigging corners, and this Godforsaken goalkeeper we have. And we were so unlucky with the corners instead, one post from Kjaer and then Romagnoli's final header which I have no frigging clue how he managed to send wide!

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 26 2020, 10:48 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 26 2020, 10:46 PM) *
How the Kessie and Romagnoli headers did not go in... So unlucky and wasteful as well!

Tatarusanu man... Roma barely shot at our goal. Yes the set-piece defending should be better, but wtf was that?? Scrambling in our area on every corner. He should not be starting the next game.

I think the only chance from open play that Roma created was that Dzeko shot that went over, other than that nothing. But the corners... So bad at defending them suddenly. Pioli needs to work on that. We've conceded 3 corners in the last 2 games!

But the fact that the goalie is not trustworthy in such situations will cause the players to panic as well, which is what happened, especially on the 3rd Roma goal

We've really f'd up our goal difference with this game, plus our perfect record comes to an end... sad.gif


Oh yeah, Kessie's header as well. Sometimes things just don't go your way I guess...

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 10:56 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2020, 10:46 PM) *
Man I'm so pissed. Roma did jackshit and still managed to score three times. Those frigging corners, and this Godforsaken goalkeeper we have. And we were so unlucky with the corners instead, one post from Kjaer and then Romagnoli's final header which I have no frigging clue how he managed to send wide!

They scored off of 3 f@cking set-pieces!

The non-existent penalty is what made the game go crazy. We lost our heads a bit after that and didn't manage to regain our calm even after we scored.

We created so much from open play while Roma did jack ****!

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2020, 10:48 PM) *
Oh yeah, Kessie's header as well. Sometimes things just don't go your way I guess...

I guess this is for riding our luck against Inter...


Anyway, we move forward to the next one. Sparta on Thursday and Udine on Sunday

Pioli needs to rest Ibra, Hakan, Theo and Kessie on Thursday. And we need to go all out against Udine. Cannot afford to lose points in the next 2 games in the league before we face Napoli so we can go up against them still top of the table.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 11:02 PM

Against Sparta we should go with

Calabria--Kjear--Romagnoli--Dalot
Bennacer--Tonali
Samu--Krunic--Diaz
Leao


It should still do the job and it will give guys who've been playing non-stop time to recharge a bit


Oh and the older Donna should start in goal. He's started games for us before and he's a million times better than this guy we signed this summer. At least he can catch the ball...

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 26 2020, 11:06 PM

Hard to analyse this game.

Roma were basically harmless except for one great chance from Dzeko in counterattack. And though I still think we let them play too much at times, I can't blame the team for this draw. We got screwed by Tatasticazzi, the ref, corners, luck. Deserved to win no doubt.

Very underwhelmed by Theo as I pointed out earlier. He's too static, makes too many mistakes. And it's been going on for a while. He was such an explosive player, whatever happened to him.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 26 2020, 11:07 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 26 2020, 11:02 PM) *
Oh and the older Donna should start in goal. He's started games for us before and he's a million times better than this guy we signed this summer. At least he can catch the ball...


Agreed.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 11:13 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2020, 11:06 PM) *
Hard to analyse this game.

Roma were basically harmless except for one great chance from Dzeko in counterattack. And though I still think we let them play too much at times, I can't blame the team for this draw. We got screwed by Tatasticazzi, the ref, corners, luck. Deserved to win no doubt.

Very underwhelmed by Theo as I pointed out earlier. He's too static, makes too many mistakes. And it's been going on for a while. He was such an explosive player, whatever happened to him.

laugh.gif laugh.gif

Thanks for the laugh on that one

Re Theo, I think we're forgetting that a big part of his game last season was the interchange with Rebic. Leao is a much different player, he doesn't link up like Rebic does with the rest of the team, and Theo was the one who benefitted the most from this.

We also have to take into account that opposing teams this season are treating him like the threat that he is. We've played a lot of 3 at the back teams lately, and all have made sure to double team him as well as cut off his running avenues.

It's not like we haven't seen some of that explosiveness at all this season so far. His goal against Spezia (or Crotone?) was scored from one of his bursting runs. They always say that the 2nd season is the hardest, you're no longer an unknown quantity to teams. And Theo has definitely garnered enough attention that teams pay more attention to him than they would any regular FB.

That being said, I'd like to praise our other FB today. Calabria. Another top-notch performance from him today against a great player in Spinazzola.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2020, 11:18 PM

Last point before I head for some Zzzzs

My only point of contention this game was the amount of counters we squandered. I think we caught them out 5 on 3 about 4 times in the 2nd half and didn't do anything with it. Had this been last season we'd have scored on probably each occasion. Yes, we haven't rediscovered that sharpness as of yet, but we shouldn't be wasting so many chances

The players look a bit too fatigued right now. And with no reprieve in sight in terms of fixture list, I do worry. Why we're playing international breaks when the fixture list is this packed + the pandemic looming is beyond me.

I really do hope this 3rd wave we're starting to go through will force UEFA's hands and they cancel the stupid friendlies and the insipid Nations league

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 26 2020, 11:21 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 26 2020, 11:13 PM) *
That being said, I'd like to praise our other FB today. Calabria. Another top-notch performance from him today against a great player in Spinazzola.


+1

I have no clue how Mediaset gave him 5,5. It's like they watched another match.


QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 26 2020, 11:18 PM) *
My only point of contention this game was the amount of counters we squandered. I think we caught them out 5 on 3 about 4 times in the 2nd half and didn't do anything with it.


This. I was pulling my hair.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 27 2020, 06:00 AM

missed the game as it was 1AM on monday night. but it seems we could have got 3 points. Also heard Leao was quite good.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 27 2020, 10:00 AM

A draw was a fair result.

2nd half of last season, Milan did not have Europe to contend with so had enough rest days. Also no Corona virus to take crucial players from us for a minimum of two weeks at a time.

That said, this is just the beginning of the season, if Milan gets a CL birth then it's a very very good result. First place is not something this squad can achieve.

So yes this draw is a fair result, hoping to keep winning is not possible. Maintaining an unbeaten run however is certainly something of a feat but not sure when that will end.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 27 2020, 10:31 AM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Oct 27 2020, 06:00 AM) *
missed the game as it was 1AM on monday night. but it seems we could have got 3 points. Also heard Leao was quite good.


Still not keen on Leao on the wing. He doesn't link well with the others, but at the same time the first two goals came from him, so it?s hard to discredit his performance.

Posted by: Danny Oct 27 2020, 12:21 PM

Thought we played well but the ref really wasn't interested.

But ultimately Romagnoli cost us the 3 points. One of the worst misses you'll see this season.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 27 2020, 04:02 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 27 2020, 10:00 AM) *
A draw was a fair result.

2nd half of last season, Milan did not have Europe to contend with so had enough rest days. Also no Corona virus to take crucial players from us for a minimum of two weeks at a time.

That said, this is just the beginning of the season, if Milan gets a CL birth then it's a very very good result. First place is not something this squad can achieve.

So yes this draw is a fair result, hoping to keep winning is not possible. Maintaining an unbeaten run however is certainly something of a feat but not sure when that will end.

But equating who should have won this game with the fact that we can't keep winning doesn't make much sense to me. Sure it had to end at some point, but not like this. A game we should have won, and had Gigio been there it would have been a 2-0 game for sure.

This is the mentality of old, not expecting too much, yet the disappointed and angry reactions from all Milan fans shows that we've come to expect to be the dominant side in games and to win them as well. That's how far the bar has been raised since Pioli and Ibra came imo

This time last season, not even God could have helped us walk the ball into the back of the net. We could not score for love or money.

Look at us now. Should still be at a 100% record if it weren't for some shocking refereeing and a couple of miracle saves from Mirante, plus missing Donna.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 27 2020, 10:31 AM) *
Still not keen on Leao on the wing. He doesn't link well with the others, but at the same time the first two goals came from him, so it?s hard to discredit his performance.

Agreed. He just doesn't do it for me. It feels like he doesn't know what he wants to be. He's all gangly awkwardness, but his burst of pace really is a killer when he uses it correctly.

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 27 2020, 12:21 PM) *
Thought we played well but the ref really wasn't interested.

But ultimately Romagnoli cost us the 3 points. One of the worst misses you'll see this season.

Nah, can't put this on Romagnoli's shoulders. Kessie, and Kjear also came inches close. But the ref and Tatarusanu really were our killer blows.

Really hope Donna 2.0 starts the next few games in goal

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 27 2020, 07:52 PM

We shouldn't have gone for Lyon's reserve goalie. Low move from Paolo. He hadn't played a game since February. There are so many active goalies in Serie A who would gladly accept to be Donna's reserve.

Posted by: Danny Oct 27 2020, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 27 2020, 04:02 PM) *
Nah, can't put this on Romagnoli's shoulders. Kessie, and Kjear also came inches close. But the ref and Tatarusanu really were our killer blows.


Goals win matches. He missed an open one in the final second. It's on him.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 29 2020, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 26 2020, 11:02 PM) *
Calabria--Kjear--Romagnoli--Dalot
Bennacer--Tonali
Samu--Krunic--Diaz
Leao


Pioli going with practically an identical line-up to the one I posted here. Ibre instead of Leao though...

I really wish he would rest, there's no need for him to be straining himself. We need him for the league.

OFFICIAL Milan XI vs. Sparta Prague:

Tatarusanu; Calabria, Kjaer, Romagnoli, Dalot; Tonali, Bennacer; Castillejo, Brahim, Krunic; Ibrahimovic

Posted by: han2503 Oct 29 2020, 06:04 PM

Tatarusanu starting... Pioli obviously not wanting to completely demoralise him. Hoping he doesn't flap as he did on Monday

Fun Fact: Theo starts from the bench for the first time since September 2019

Posted by: William405 Oct 29 2020, 07:21 PM

Diaz!!!

Posted by: William405 Oct 29 2020, 08:17 PM

It's clear that Castell has no future in this team. I think it is best to part ways in January.

I'm really really liking Dalot and Diaz! Hope that we can keep them.


Posted by: William405 Oct 29 2020, 08:20 PM

Dalooot!!

Posted by: William405 Oct 29 2020, 08:21 PM

Calabria out. He's been immense. Amazing performances.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 29 2020, 08:27 PM

Maybe we should start playing Dalot on the left, so Theo can wake his @ss a little.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 29 2020, 08:29 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 29 2020, 08:17 PM) *
It's clear that Castell has no future in this team. I think it is best to part ways in January.


He's unwatchable.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 29 2020, 08:52 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 29 2020, 08:17 PM) *
It's clear that Castell has no future in this team. I think it is best to part ways in January.

I'm really really liking Dalot and Diaz! Hope that we can keep them.

The obvious weak link in the entire 11

Don't think we can recoup much on what we paid for him at this point. If we sell him that would probably be all of Leo's purchases gone.

And I thought we'd get rid of the Mirabelli players first... (Hakan and Kessie turning into top players under Pioli so have to give him credit for those 2)


Overall good game. I like the fact that we can rotate heavily and still play a relatively comfortable game without losing any of the characteristics the first team displays.

Diaz is a gem for sure. He's the one I for sure want to see us keep. Dalot is a quality utility player imo. He can play many roles and play them all well, he's like a Bonaventura. Would keep him as well, but we have to look at what Real and Man U would want for them. Diaz would be the priority though

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