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AC Milan - Milanfan.com _ Matches _ Serie A 2019/2020 season

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 30 2019, 10:43 AM

Week 1

25/08/2019

Cagliari-Brescia

Fiorentina-Napoli

Verona-Bologna

Inter-Lecce

Parma-Juventus

Roma-Genoa

Sampdoria-Lazio

SPAL-Atalanta

Torino-Sassuolo

Udinese-Milan

Week 2

01/09/2019

Atalanta-Torino

Bologna-SPAL

Cagliari-Inter

Genoa-Fiorentina

Juventus-Napoli

Lazio-Roma

Lecce-Verona

Milan-Brescia

Sassuolo-Sampdoria

Udinese-Parma

Week 3

15/09/2019

Brescia-Bologna

Fiorentina-Juventus

Genoa-Atalanta

Verona-Milan

Inter-Udinese

Napoli-Sampdoria

Parma-Cagliari

Roma-Sassuolo

SPAL-Lazio

Torino-Lecce

Week 4

22/09/2019

Atalanta-Fiorentina

Bologna-Roma

Cagliari-Genoa

Juventus-Verona

Lazio-Parma

Lecce-Napoli

Milan-Inter

Sampdoria-Torino

Sassuolo-SPAL

Udinese-Brescia

Week 5

25/09/2019

Brescia-Juventus

Fiorentina-Sampdoria

Genoa-Bologna

Verona-Udinese

Inter-Lazio

Napoli-Cagliari

Parma-Sassuolo

Roma-Atalanta

SPAL-Lecce

Torino-Milan

Week 6

29/09/2019

Cagliari-Verona

Juventus-SPAL

Lazio-Genoa

Lecce-Roma

Milan-Fiorentina

Napoli-Brescia

Parma-Torino

Sampdoria-Inter

Sassuolo-Atalanta

Udinese-Bologna

Week 7

06/10/2019

Atalanta-Lecce

Bologna-Lazio

Brescia-Sassuolo

Fiorentina-Udinese

Genoa-Milan

Verona-Sampdoria

Inter-Juventus

Roma-Cagliari

SPAL-Parma

Torino-Napoli

Week 8

20/10/2019

Brescia-Fiorentina

Cagliari-SPAL

Juventus-Bologna

Lazio-Atalanta

Milan-Lecce

Napoli-Verona

Parma-Genoa

Sampdoria-Roma

Sassuolo-Inter

Udinese-Torino

Week 9

27/10/2019

Atalanta-Udinese

Bologna-Sampdoria

Fiorentina-Lazio

Genoa-Brescia

Verona-Sassuolo

Inter-Parma

Lecce-Juventus

Roma-Milan

SPAL-Napoli

Torino-Cagliari

Week 10

30/10/2019

Brescia-Inter

Cagliari-Bologna

Juventus-Genoa

Lazio-Torino

Milan-SPAL

Napoli-Atalanta

Parma-Verona

Sampdoria-Lecce

Sassuolo-Fiorentina

Udinese-Roma

Week 11

03/11/2019

Atalanta-Cagliari

Bologna-Inter

Fiorentina-Parma

Genoa-Udinese

Verona-Brescia

Lecce-Sassuolo

Milan-Lazio

Roma-Napoli

SPAL-Sampdoria

Torino-Juventus

Week 12

10/11/2019

Brescia-Torino

Cagliari-Fiorentina

Inter-Verona

Juventus-Milan

Lazio-Lecce

Napoli-Genoa

Parma-Roma

Sampdoria-Atalanta

Sassuolo-Bologna

Udinese-SPAL

Week 13

24/11/2019

Atalanta-Juventus

Bologna-Parma

Verona-Fiorentina

Lecce-Cagliari

Milan-Napoli

Roma-Brescia

Sampdoria-Udinese

Sassuolo-Lazio

SPAL-Genoa

Torino-Inter

Week 14

01/12/2019

Brescia-Atalanta

Cagliari-Sampdoria

Fiorentina-Lecce

Genoa-Torino

Verona-Roma

Inter-SPAL

Juventus-Sassuolo

Lazio-Udinese

Napoli-Bologna

Parma-Milan

Week 15

08/12/2019

Bologna-Milan

Inter-Roma

Lazio-Juventus

Lecce-Genoa

Sampdoria-Parma

Sassuolo-Cagliari

SPAL-Brescia

Torino-Fiorentina

Udinese-Napoli

Week 16

15/12/2019

Bologna-Atalanta

Brescia-Lecce

Cagliari-Lazio

Fiorentina-Inter

Genoa-Sampdoria

Verona-Torino

Juventus-Udinese

Milan-Sassuolo

Napoli-Parma

Roma-SPAL

Week 17

22/12/2019

Atalanta-Milan

Fiorentina-Roma

Inter-Genoa

Lazio-Verona

Lecce-Bologna

Parma-Brescia

Sampdoria-Juventus

Sassuolo-Napoli

Torino-SPAL

Udinese-Cagliari

Week 18

05/01/2020

Atalanta-Parma

Bologna-Fiorentina

Brescia-Lazio

Genoa-Sassuolo

Juventus-Cagliari

Lecce-Udinese

Milan-Sampdoria

Napoli-Inter

Roma-Torino

SPAL-Verona

Week 19

12/01/2020

Cagliari-Milan

Fiorentina-SPAL

Verona-Genoa

Inter-Atalanta

Lazio-Napoli

Parma-Lecce

Roma-Juventus

Sampdoria-Brescia

Torino-Bologna

Udinese-Sassuolo

Week 20

19/01/2020

Atalanta-SPAL

Bologna-Verona

Brescia-Cagliari

Genoa-Roma

Juventus-Parma

Lazio-Sampdoria

Lecce-Inter

Milan-Udinese

Napoli-Fiorentina

Sassuolo-Torino

Week 21

26/01/2020

Brescia-Milan

Fiorentina-Genoa

Inter-Cagliari

Napoli-Juventus

Parma-Udinese

Roma-Lazio

Sampdoria-Sassuolo

SPAL-Bologna

Torino-Atalanta

Verona-Lecce

Week 22

02/02/2020

Atalanta-Genoa

Bologna-Brescia

Cagliari-Parma

Juventus-Fiorentina

Lazio-SPAL

Lecce-Torino

Milan-Verona

Sampdoria-Napoli

Sassuolo-Roma

Udinese-Inter

Week 23

09/02/2020

Brescia-Udinese

Fiorentina-Atalanta

Genoa-Cagliari

Inter-Milan

Napoli-Lecce

Parma-Lazio

Roma-Bologna

SPAL-Sassuolo

Torino-Sampdoria

Verona-Juventus

Week 24

16/02/2020

Atalanta-Roma

Bologna-Genoa

Cagliari-Napoli

Juventus-Brescia

Lazio-Inter

Lecce-SPAL

Milan-Torino

Sampdoria-Fiorentina

Sassuolo-Parma

Udinese-Verona

Week 25

23/02/2020

Atalanta-Sassuolo

Bologna-Udinese

Brescia-Napoli

Fiorentina-Milan

Genoa-Lazio

Inter-Sampdoria

Roma-Lecce

SPAL-Juventus

Torino-Parma

Verona-Cagliari

Week 26

01/03/2020

Cagliari-Roma

Juventus-Inter

Lazio-Bologna

Lecce-Atalanta

Milan-Genoa

Napoli-Torino

Parma-SPAL

Sampdoria-Verona

Sassuolo-Brescia

Udinese-Fiorentina

Week 27

08/03/2020

Atalanta-Lazio

Bologna-Juventus

Fiorentina-Brescia

Genoa-Parma

Inter-Sassuolo

Lecce-Milan

Roma-Sampdoria

SPAL-Cagliari

Torino-Udinese

Verona-Napoli

Week 28

15/03/2020

Cagliari-Torino

Brescia-Genoa

Juventus-Lecce

Lazio-Fiorentina

Milan-Roma

Napoli-SPAL

Parma-Inter

Sampdoria-Bologna

Sassuolo-Verona

Udinese-Atalanta

Week 29

22/03/2020

Atalanta-Napoli

Bologna-Cagliari

Genoa-Juventus

Fiorentina-Sassuolo

Inter-Brescia

Lecce-Sampdoria

Roma-Udinese

SPAL-Milan

Torino-Lazio

Verona-Parma

Week 30

05/04/2020

Cagliari-Atalanta

Brescia-Verona

Inter-Bologna

Juventus-Torino

Lazio-Milan

Napoli-Roma

Parma-Fiorentina

Sampdoria-SPAL

Sassuolo-Lecce

Udinese-Genoa

Week 31

11/04/2020

Atalanta-Sampdoria

Bologna-Sassuolo

Fiorentina-Cagliari

Genoa-Napoli

Lecce-Lazio

Milan-Juventus

Roma-Parma

SPAL-Udinese

Torino-Brescia

Verona-Inter

Week 32

19/04/2020

Brescia-Roma

Cagliari-Lecce

Fiorentina-Verona

Genoa-SPAL

Inter-Torino

Juventus-Atalanta

Lazio-Sassuolo

Napoli-Milan

Parma-Bologna

Udinese-Sampdoria

Week 33

22/04/2020

Atalanta-Brescia

Bologna-Napoli

Lecce-Fiorentina

Milan-Parma

Roma-Verona

Sampdoria-Cagliari

Sassuolo-Juventus

SPAL-Inter

Torino-Genoa

Udinese-Lazio

Week 34

26/04/2020

Brescia-SPAL

Cagliari-Sassuolo

Fiorentina-Torino

Genoa-Lecce

Juventus-Lazio

Milan-Bologna

Napoli-Udinese

Parma-Sampdoria

Roma-Inter

Verona-Atalanta

Week 35

03/05/2020

Atalanta-Bologna

Inter-Fiorentina

Lazio-Cagliari

Lecce-Brescia

Parma-Napoli

Sampdoria-Genoa

Sassuolo-Milan

SPAL-Roma

Torino-Verona

Udinese-Juventus

Week 36

10/05/2020

Bologna-Lecce

Brescia-Parma

Cagliari-Udinese

Genoa-Inter

Juventus-Sampdoria

Milan-Atalanta

Napoli-Sassuolo

Roma-Fiorentina

SPAL-Torino

Verona-Lazio

Week 37

17/05/2020

Cagliari-Juventus

Fiorentina-Bologna

Inter-Napoli

Lazio-Brescia

Parma-Atalanta

Sampdoria-Milan

Sassuolo-Genoa

Torino-Roma

Udinese-Lecce

Verona-SPAL

Week 38

24/05/2020

Atalanta-Inter

Bologna-Torino

Brescia-Sampdoria

Genoa-Verona

Juventus-Roma

Lecce-Parma

Milan-Cagliari

Napoli-Lazio

Sassuolo-Udinese

SPAL-Fiorentina

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 30 2019, 10:44 AM

Is this perhaps the worst fixture calendar for us in what, 10-15 years?

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 30 2019, 01:36 PM

Looks like it.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jul 30 2019, 04:29 PM

Look at November wow

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jul 30 2019, 04:29 PM

DP

Posted by: han2503 Aug 4 2019, 11:03 AM

we really need to come out of the gates swinging. 9 points before the Inter game is a must...

And that November schedule is brutal

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 4 2019, 05:45 PM

Looking forward to this season! Milan should be tested!

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 12 2019, 11:38 AM

Piatek 0 goals in 5 friendlies thus far is a bit concerning...

Posted by: William405 Aug 12 2019, 12:43 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 12 2019, 01:38 PM) *
Piatek 0 goals in 5 friendlies thus far is a bit concerning...


Hope he will start scoring when it matters.

I hope he will be able to adjust to the team.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 12 2019, 01:29 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 12 2019, 01:38 PM) *
Piatek 0 goals in 5 friendlies thus far is a bit concerning...

Well, you said there's no problem with the strikers and that I'm overreacting huh.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 12 2019, 01:42 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 12 2019, 01:29 PM) *
Well, you said there's no problem with the strikers and that I'm overreacting huh.gif


Err...

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 5 2019, 08:57 AM) *
I really don't think we need to sign a trequartista. We practically have Suso, Hakan, Paquetà and even Bonaventura who can play that role. Right now our focus should be a RCM and another striker.

Posted by: Danny Aug 12 2019, 02:51 PM

If nothing else MF has been fun this summer with you two lovebirds arguing all the time wink.gif

Posted by: William405 Aug 12 2019, 08:30 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 12 2019, 04:51 PM) *
If nothing else MF has been fun this summer with you two lovebirds arguing all the time wink.gif


Yes. laugh.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 12 2019, 10:58 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 12 2019, 01:38 PM) *
Piatek 0 goals in 5 friendlies thus far is a bit concerning...


QUOTE
You tend to do this. You exaggerate when you're being negative. If Piatek gets injured, we'll still have Correa-Leao, with Borini or even Suso in case of emergency as back-ups. So, how exactly would we be f@cked?


So why worry about Piatek when we have Correa, Leao, Suso and Borini to step in an score if needed, right?

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 12 2019, 11:11 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 12 2019, 10:58 PM) *
So why worry about Piatek when we have Correa, Leao, Suso and Borini to step in an score if needed, right?


Oh, I had no idea we had signed Correa. Must have missed that.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 13 2019, 09:43 AM

No we haven't. You were the one who counted him in when you were telling me that I'm exaggerating unnecessarily.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 13 2019, 10:22 AM

I was talking in case we signed Correa.

Why do you feel the need to make things up.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 13 2019, 11:04 PM

What am I making up? I said there will be a problem in our attack because everything is depending on Piatek and all (present) alternatives are unreliable. You said I'm exaggerating. Now you state that Piatek didn't score a single goal in a few games and suggest this could be a problem. What's made up?

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 14 2019, 10:29 PM

Because me saying we're fine in attack was supposing we'd sign Correa (or any other striker for that matter). We'd have Piatek, Correa, Leao and Borini (Silva and Castielljo on their way out). Four strikers for two positions. Very logical.

So, I don't see how the fact that Piatek has not been performing in this pre season has anything to do with that.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 15 2019, 03:38 AM

I think we can all agree that we still need someone else upfront, preferably someone that can play as a SS.

Though I fear we may be stuck with Silva and Castielljo, nobody seems interested in getting them, and I do not believe we will sell below what we paid (any minusvalenza would hurt us with FFP), nor will we accept loans. Same with Laxalt, Strinic, RR, and Hakan. OTOH, we appear to be holding on to Suso and Kessie (that or we are claiming we want to keep them so that we do not look too desperate to sell them). As for Borini, I get the feeling we are keeping him due to his ability to play a number of different positions.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 15 2019, 08:54 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 15 2019, 12:29 AM) *
Because me saying we're fine in attack was supposing we'd sign Correa (or any other striker for that matter). We'd have Piatek, Correa, Leao and Borini (Silva and Castielljo on their way out). Four strikers for two positions. Very logical.

So, I don't see how the fact that Piatek has not been performing in this pre season has anything to do with that.

It isn't a matter of logic or counting for that part, it's just that you have the right to push the alarm bottom when you think it's appropriate but when I do it you're playing cool.

Anyway, Correa wasn't signed. Giampaolo's system thrives on a good AM and a prolific striker. Look what a experienced Quagliarella achieved. Now we put all our eggs in one basket with Piatek, even if we somehow end up with Correa. Look at his stats: 20 in 130 (okay, mostly as a right wing/mid). I think he's a good SS but not the main finisher. And if Piatek gets injured or out of form (which he is now) we have a veteran and a kid to cover him, whose goal ratio is 1 in every 4th or 5th match.

All I'm saying is Giampolo likes strikers and if Milan puts everything on Piatek without any other viable option on deck we won't be getting far.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 15 2019, 12:10 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Aug 15 2019, 03:38 AM) *
I think we can all agree that we still need someone else upfront, preferably someone that can play as a SS.

Though I fear we may be stuck with Silva and Castielljo, nobody seems interested in getting them, and I do not believe we will sell below what we paid (any minusvalenza would hurt us with FFP), nor will we accept loans. Same with Laxalt, Strinic, RR, and Hakan. OTOH, we appear to be holding on to Suso and Kessie (that or we are claiming we want to keep them so that we do not look too desperate to sell them). As for Borini, I get the feeling we are keeping him due to his ability to play a number of different positions.


Castillejo was a moronic signing. 25M for a player nobody really rated. His value now is 20M in our books, so selling him for any amount inferior to that would generate a loss. Obviously nobody is interested.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 15 2019, 08:54 AM) *
It isn't a matter of logic or counting for that part, it's just that you have the right to push the alarm bottom when you think it's appropriate but when I do it you're playing cool.

Anyway, Correa wasn't signed. Giampaolo's system thrives on a good AM and a prolific striker. Look what a experienced Quagliarella achieved. Now we put all our eggs in one basket with Piatek, even if we somehow end up with Correa. Look at his stats: 20 in 130 (okay, mostly as a right wing/mid). I think he's a good SS but not the main finisher. And if Piatek gets injured or out of form (which he is now) we have a veteran and a kid to cover him, whose goal ratio is 1 in every 4th or 5th match.

All I'm saying is Giampolo likes strikers and if Milan puts everything on Piatek without any other viable option on deck we won't be getting far.


But that’s the club we are right now. We take gambles. I already said this before, because we can’t afford sure-fire players. Guys like Piatek, Leao and Correa are the best options. They’re all talented and highly rated. If they end up sucking then we’ll just have to deal with it.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 15 2019, 04:06 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 15 2019, 01:10 PM) *
Castillejo was a moronic signing. 25M for a player nobody really rated. His value now is 20M in our books, so selling him for any amount inferior to that would generate a loss. Obviously nobody is interested.

Yup, same story with Silva

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 15 2019, 01:10 PM) *
But that’s the club we are right now. We take gambles. I already said this before, because we can’t afford sure-fire players. Guys like Piatek, Leao and Correa are the best options. They’re all talented and highly rated. If they end up sucking then we’ll just have to deal with it.

Worth mentioning that our last "sure signings" where Bonucci and Higuain. And one could argue that "the next Ronaldo" was also hyped as a "sure signing" when M&F got him. Bottom line, our only viable option right now is to "take gambles".

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 15 2019, 04:51 PM

Taking gambles is one thing, having a coach that deploys a special way of play/system and not being able to provide the necessary players is another. IMO we need a good trequartista, very good SS and a reliable backup striker, perhaps a veteran or at least someone with experience.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 15 2019, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 15 2019, 05:51 PM) *
Taking gambles is one thing, having a coach that deploys a special way of play/system and not being able to provide the necessary players is another. IMO we need a good trequartista, very good SS and a reliable backup striker, perhaps a veteran or at least someone with experience.

No disagreement with any of this. I believe something is moving in the background (news sources are clueless but I do not believe M&B are idle), and the mercato is not over ... yet. While I think all of us would prefer to have the team wrapped up before training gets started, opportunities do tend to open up towards the end (remember, the days of the condor :-)). Who knows, maybe we will get Modric after all (fresh new rumors in the last couple of days) and Correa or maybe someone else that can actually score goals. No need to panic ... yet.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 15 2019, 05:46 PM

Well, we’re opting for Suso as trequartista, while pursuing Correa for that SS spot (who can also play as trequartista), all while having both Paqueta and Hakan who can play there, Leao as back-up striker (for whom we spent 30M). I mean, assuming we sign Correa, we’re pretty much covered in all areas for Giampaolo’s 4-3-1-2.

Maybe it’s not congruent with your ideas, but then again, he’s the coach and he knows better than all of us.

The only position I am worried about is that RCM, as I don’t trust Kessie at all.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 15 2019, 08:39 PM

But you trust Bennacer and Krunić? I'm worried about more positions then just one.

Also, what has the coach to do with all this? It's a business decision to start the season with just one pure striker. I get it, it's probably a risk worth taking, but still...

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 15 2019, 09:22 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 15 2019, 08:39 PM) *
But you trust Bennacer and Krunić? I'm worried about more positions then just one.

Also, what has the coach to do with all this? It's a business decision to start the season with just one pure striker. I get it, it's probably a risk worth taking, but still...


I think Bennacer is one of the best signings we've made in the last few years.

Also, Leao's main position is CF (https://www.transfermarkt.com/rafael-leao/profil/spieler/357164).

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 15 2019, 10:05 PM

Based on?

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 15 2019, 10:08 PM

Based on my own research.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 15 2019, 10:09 PM

Okay...

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 17 2019, 06:52 PM

Friendly with Cesena starting soon ...

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 17 2019, 07:44 PM

For anyone interested, decent stream on https://www.facebook.com/pg/ACMilan/videos/?ref=page_internal

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 17 2019, 07:48 PM

Depressing to watch :-(

I can see what we are trying to do midfield, but it does not seem to be working. Can't break thru a Serie C team defense (too slow), and we appear to be leaving ourselves open defensively (Cesena already scored once in offside, and almost scored before that).

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 17 2019, 08:50 PM

Paqueta making a difference in the second half. That said, I read quite a bit about GP's system, but it does not look to me like this is working the way it should. Suso as TQ is a disaster, IMHO, not sure what GP sees in him.

I will have to miss the rest of the match, but given what I have seen so far ...

Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2019, 09:59 PM

What I saw looked pretty mediocre. But then it's a mediocre squad with a mediocre manager so not really a shock.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 17 2019, 10:16 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 18 2019, 12:59 AM) *
What I saw looked pretty mediocre. But then it's a mediocre squad with a mediocre manager so not really a shock.



Danny you nailed it my man biggrin.gif

I watched the game while in transit at the airport and found something a little different. I focused my critic on the movement of the team ‘off the ball’ ... in that light I feel the team did rather well.

Let us not forget this is a new formation for ‘this’ squad and some of them might be disoriented at present, i feel by the time the season starts it will be a different Milan. Or else I hope so, as I have just subscribed to the new season via my cable provider tongue.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 17 2019, 10:35 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Aug 17 2019, 08:50 PM) *
Suso as TQ is a disaster, IMHO, not sure what GP sees in him.


Really? I haven't seen any of the pre-season games, but from what I've read, Suso as TQ has been a delight thus far (sans this game).

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 18 2019, 01:07 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 17 2019, 11:35 PM) *
Really? I haven't seen any of the pre-season games, but from what I've read, Suso as TQ has been a delight thus far (sans this game).

Looking at player ratings from https://www.spaziomilan.it/2019/08/le-pagelle-cesena-milan-brilla-paqueta/ and https://sempremilan.com/player-ratings-cesena-0-0-ac-milan, it seems like indeed I am being too harsh.

QUOTE
SUSO 6 – Ci prova subito dalla distanza, imposta e gestisce. Cerca Piatek con verticalizzazioni con qualche difficoltà in più rispetto alle altre gare amichevoli di quest’estate.

In other words, not as good as previous pre-season games but still a "6".

QUOTE
Suso (6): Decent performance but as a playmaker, he should do more to create chances for the strikers and tonight he failed miserably at that task.


As I see it, the midfield was not accomplishing much in the first half, it only came to life when Paqueta replaced Hakan in the second half (Hakan took over for Biglia), and went into high gear towards the end when Kessie came in (I ended up watching the full game after all). Perhaps it's my limited understanding of the game, but Suso felt lost and out of position more often than not. Not many chances were created by him (Paqueta accomplished a lot more). Of course, what chances were created were wasted by Piatek an Samu and (even worse) Silva, but that's a different story.


Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2019, 09:32 AM

Suso just isn't a TQ. He's too selfish to play that role. It requires team playing and looking for the runs - he just doesn't do that.

Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2019, 09:32 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 17 2019, 10:35 PM) *
Really? I haven't seen any of the pre-season games, but from what I've read, Suso as TQ has been a delight thus far (sans this game).


I think you both are wrong - the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 18 2019, 10:46 AM

Suso was one of the better players last night, according to Tuttosport, along with Donna, Biglia, Paquetà and Calhanoglu.

Anyway, don’t get too upset about last night. It’s just a pre-season game that nobody takes too seriously. Juve also played against Triestina and from what I’m reading they were pretty rubbish (won 1-0).

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 18 2019, 06:57 PM

Thoughts about who will start / should start with Udinese?

GP has gone on record saying he will stick to players that have already been "tested" in his system, which means it probably will be the same formation as the 1st half against Cesena. I am hoping to see something closer to what we had at the start of the second half, with Hakan back and Paqueta on the left. Also, would prefer to see Bona as TQ with Suso on the right (Bona did decently when he played that role, and Suso seems to gravitate to the right anyway). Up front it would be good to see Leao, but if GP feels he needs more time I would prefer Silva over Samu (both are bad, but Samu is horrible).

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 18 2019, 07:00 PM

Good god, Milan is so boring and predictable.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 18 2019, 07:13 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Aug 18 2019, 06:57 PM) *
Thoughts about who will start / should start with Udinese?

GP has gone on record saying he will stick to players that have already been "tested" in his system, which means it probably will be the same formation as the 1st half against Modena. I am hoping to see something closer to what we had at the start of the second half, with Hakan back and Paqueta on the left. Also, would prefer to see Bona as TQ with Suso on the right (Bona did decently when he played that role, and Suso seems to gravitate to the right anyway). Up front it would be good to see Leao, but if GP feels he needs more time I would prefer Silva over Samu (both are bad, but Samu is horrible).


You meant Cesena.

Also, for the other part in bold, Suso on the right? You do realise we'll play 4-3-1-2. So, what right are you referring to?

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 18 2019, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 18 2019, 08:13 PM) *
You meant Cesena.

Also, for the other part in bold, Suso on the right? You do realise we'll play 4-3-1-2. So, what right are you referring to?

Yes, Cesena (fixed the post). As for Suso, you are right, what I was thinking will probably not work. That said, Suso was painful to watch yesterday in the TQ role (regardless of what TuttoS**t had to say), yet we are probably going to see him there again. Borini was also disappointing, the entire right was underwhelming until Kessie came in at the end, which is why I am hoping to see something different.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 23 2019, 02:25 PM

Probable line-up for tomorrow:

Mediaset: Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Bennacer, Kessie, Calhanoglu; Suso; Castillejo, Piatek.

Gazzetta: Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Calhanoglu, Borini, Paqueta; Suso; Castillejo, Piatek.

Posted by: William405 Aug 23 2019, 07:48 PM

Signed up for BEIN sports. So ready for this season!!

Posted by: William405 Aug 23 2019, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 23 2019, 04:25 PM) *
Probable line-up for tomorrow:

Mediaset: Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Bennacer, Kessie, Calhanoglu; Suso; Castillejo, Piatek.

Gazzetta: Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Calhanoglu, Borini, Paqueta; Suso; Castillejo, Piatek.


Hmm..not so convinced. :/

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 23 2019, 08:13 PM

So I read Biglia got injured. What a shocker.

Next I read Giampaolo will try Hakan as regista in Biglia's place. That's great. Hakan regista, Suso TQ, Castillejo SS... what could go wrong, huh?

Posted by: Danny Aug 23 2019, 11:17 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 23 2019, 08:13 PM) *
So I read Biglia got injured. What a shocker.

Next I read Giampaolo will try Hakan as regista in Biglia's place. That's great. Hakan regista, Suso TQ, Castillejo SS... what could go wrong, huh?


Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Equally, we're a midtable side so what harm is there in trying something completely left field?

Posted by: Danny Aug 23 2019, 11:18 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 23 2019, 07:48 PM) *
Signed up for BEIN sports. So ready for this season!!


This team will wipe that optimisically smug smile off your face inside 10 minutes of the match...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 24 2019, 12:19 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2019, 01:17 AM) *
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Equally, we're a midtable side so what harm is there in trying something completely left field?

We're not a midtable side, we ended up 5th but the current decisionmaking will bring us back midtable.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2019, 09:14 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 23 2019, 02:25 PM) *
Probable line-up for tomorrow:

Mediaset: Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Bennacer, Kessie, Calhanoglu; Suso; Castillejo, Piatek.

Gazzetta: Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Calhanoglu, Borini, Paqueta; Suso; Castillejo, Piatek.

The Gazzetta one is the most worrying and it's probably the one we'll use

Borini... FFS this guy should not be starting, and in midfield no less. He was half decent in pre-season there but it does not mean he should be starting a Serie A game

Giampaolo said that he'll play those who he's trained more for now, but Kessie has been with this team for 2 years and should be starting ahead of Borini in midfield no matter what

Also, Castillejo is another bad decision, I'd rather Andrea Silva for crying out loud than him as a supposed SS. He's too lightweight to beof any kind of use in that position and has proven in pre season that he cannot really pull it off.

Honestly, I'm getting worried that this management will do no better than the previous ones, the only really good transfer we've made in Benaccer imo, the rest are shots in the dark. Especially Leao, who we spent 30m on when we're desperate to get an SS and have left Correa for the final days, if we even manage to get him. Same with the treq position, why oh why have we left the position up to Suso? They hired a coach who plays a specific system and have not brought in the players he needs to play that system

unless something big happens this last week in the market, this is going to be another painful season for us


QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 23 2019, 11:17 PM) *
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Equally, we're a midtable side so what harm is there in trying something completely left field?

We're a side with high ambitions but have so far made mid-table moves. I honeslty don't understand why they keep talking about getting back to where we were when the know the finances won't allow it. It just gives the fans false hope. I'd rather the management just be straight with everyone saying: "Look, major mistakes have been done in the past at this club, and it will take time to correct those mistakes, there's FFP breathing down our necks and we can't invest the sums that need to be invested to get back to where this club once was"

I'd rather that then this nonsense we get fed every summer only to be left disappointed once again. The fact that we couldn't get a top coach should have said it all to begin with really

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2019, 11:21 AM

What a mess of a line-up. So, we spend 65M and everyone's on the bench. Just great.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2019, 11:39 AM

We'll see, sky have Bennacer and Leao starting

My main problem is not with them not starting, they are both new to the team and the coach, but Kessie and Paqueta should be starting especially when their alternatives are Hakan and Borini(!)

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2019, 12:17 PM

Actually, Sky have the same line-up as Mediaset on their website, just checked.

My main problem with that line-up is the too many players out of position in midfield. I mean, Hakan as DM and Borini as RCM? Sure, they’re ahead of guys like Bennacer and Kessie in terms of preparation with the team, but that’s no justification. Both the latter played the Africa Cup, so it’s not like they’ve been slacking for three months straight.

Also, Castillejo ahead of Leao who’s been with the team for a month now. Another brain fart from Giampaolo.

Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2019, 01:09 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2019, 12:19 AM) *
We're not a midtable side, we ended up 5th but the current decisionmaking will bring us back midtable.


We spent most of the season hovering between 10-5 - that's midtable.

If I'm generous we're upper midtable.

Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2019, 01:11 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2019, 09:14 AM) *
We're a side with high ambitions but have so far made mid-table moves. I honeslty don't understand why they keep talking about getting back to where we were when the know the finances won't allow it. It just gives the fans false hope. I'd rather the management just be straight with everyone saying: "Look, major mistakes have been done in the past at this club, and it will take time to correct those mistakes, there's FFP breathing down our necks and we can't invest the sums that need to be invested to get back to where this club once was"

I'd rather that then this nonsense we get fed every summer only to be left disappointed once again. The fact that we couldn't get a top coach should have said it all to begin with really


Yeah we don't have the cash and we don't have the lure any more. But you're right - the club still acts to perpetuate the myth of us being a big club.

Posted by: William405 Aug 24 2019, 03:51 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2019, 01:18 AM) *
This team will wipe that optimisically smug smile off your face inside 10 minutes of the match...


Oh no! I hope not ahah. At least, I will get to support my team.

Posted by: William405 Aug 24 2019, 03:51 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2019, 02:19 AM) *
We're not a midtable side, we ended up 5th but the current decisionmaking will bring us back midtable.


Yes, we were 1 point from 4th, and 2 (?) from being 3rd place. I wouldn't call that midtable.

Posted by: William405 Aug 24 2019, 03:54 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2019, 03:09 PM) *
We spent most of the season hovering between 10-5 - that's midtable.

If I'm generous we're upper midtable.


It only matters where we finish, Danny.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2019, 04:14 PM

We were 3rd at the end of the first half of last season's last game.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2019, 10:25 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2019, 12:17 PM) *
Actually, Sky have the same line-up as Mediaset on their website, just checked.

My main problem with that line-up is the too many players out of position in midfield. I mean, Hakan as DM and Borini as RCM? Sure, they’re ahead of guys like Bennacer and Kessie in terms of preparation with the team, but that’s no justification. Both the latter played the Africa Cup, so it’s not like they’ve been slacking for three months straight.

Also, Castillejo ahead of Leao who’s been with the team for a month now. Another brain fart from Giampaolo.

Hmm, don't know who's line-up it was then.

And agreed with all your points, I get that Giampaolo knows the players who have been with him from day 1 of pre season more and would feel more comfortable with them, but Kessie and Paqueta have been playing with this team long enough, especially Kessie, there is no excuse to start Borini and Hakan over them in the midfield.

Borini I feel like is a major mystery, I know he probably works his @ss off in training so the coaches all like him, but he's a seriously limited player and should not be anywhere near close to the starting 11 especially in areas which require some technical ability

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2019, 01:11 PM) *
Yeah we don't have the cash and we don't have the lure any more. But you're right - the club still acts to perpetuate the myth of us being a big club.

This exactly

I'd rather everyone be straight with us so we know where we stand rather then spending an entire summer in torment hoping for something to happen that never will

QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 24 2019, 03:51 PM) *
Oh no! I hope not ahah. At least, I will get to support my team.

At least we'll probably be more interesting to watch than we have been in a good long while this season, so there's that, but atm, I don't feel like we have enough to get that 4th spot

QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 24 2019, 03:51 PM) *
Yes, we were 1 point from 4th, and 2 (?) from being 3rd place. I wouldn't call that midtable.

In the end we didn't make it, simply because we didn't have players who have the quality and consistency to get us over that finish line, and imo we still don't

Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2019, 10:44 PM

Sempre Milan reckons the XI will be filled with last season's players. No new signings at all:

Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Borini, Calhanoglu, Paquetà; Suso; Piatek, Castillejo.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 05:01 PM

Here we go then.. Forza Milan

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 05:28 PM

So, we're playing like sh*t...

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 05:31 PM

Castillejo and Calhanoglu are completely out of it. Might as well be playing with 9 players.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 05:39 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 06:28 PM) *
So, we're playing like sh*t...

Its seems that we are playing black and white from Turin

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 05:42 PM

Castillejo is a very average winger and we are playing him out of position.

RR should have played a clown in the recent dumbo movie.

Borini just runs up and down. I think kessie is a better player/option than him.


Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 05:47 PM

All 3 mids on yellow

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 05:50 PM

That is outside the box

Posted by: han2503 Aug 25 2019, 05:51 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 05:31 PM) *
Castillejo and Calhanoglu are completely out of it. Might as well be playing with 9 players.

Borini and Calabria have been nightmares as well. Basically our entire right side is DOA

This looks bad for us, I know we're not playing our best side, but we just look like we're trying to force something that's never going to happen, especially with the players currently occupying the pitch

Playing Samu as a striker is ridiculous, he's too lightweight and gets pushed around, Silva should be playing instead, no matter the current situation with him.

Same with Hakan, he's struggling in a position I don't think he's ever played

And Borini is just being Borini

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 05:53 PM

Piantek i think was in our box more defending corners rather their in Udinese box. No wonder he is mot scoring

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 05:54 PM

What a poor first 45 mins of the season.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 05:58 PM

We're lacking in everything. The only players who are doing something are Paqueta and Suso. Everyone else is out of it.

Borini is just running like a headless chicken.

Calhanoglu seems lazy and disinterested.

Castillejo, sans a good moment, is not adding anything in attack.

And Piatek, man he's so sluggish and rusty. Even a simple ball control looks awkward on him.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 25 2019, 06:00 PM

Nothing unexpected really.

Next we should bring in Krunić and all will be fine...

On a more serious note, I suppose Kessie is benched because we want him to leave for Monaco, yes?

If Giampaolo continues with this system and selection, he'll be gone till December if not sooner. With the kind of fixture schedule ahead of us, I can't see him survive enough for these idiot players to even grasp his ideas.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 25 2019, 06:01 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 07:58 PM) *
We're lacking in everything. The only players who are doing something are Paqueta and Suso. Everyone else is out of it.

Borini is just running like a headless chicken.

Calhanoglu seems lazy and disinterested.

Castillejo, sans a good moment, is not adding anything in attack.

And Piatek, man he's so sluggish and rusty. Even a simple ball control looks awkward on him.

But don't worry X-O, you said it to me... we have Leao and Borini as backups. We can even shift Suso to replace Castillejo. And we also have the fantastic Empoli duo, they're surely game changers.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 06:07 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2019, 06:01 PM) *
But don't worry X-O, you said it to me... we have Leao and Borini as backups. We can even shift Suso to replace Castillejo. And we also have the fantastic Empoli duo, they're surely game changers.


What's that got to do with the game?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 25 2019, 06:09 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 08:07 PM) *
What's that got to do with the game?

We don't have options. We have a gameplan and a strategy completely unsuited for the level of (footballing) intelligence, technique and overall quality our team has.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 06:13 PM

To be honest playing with theae players in new system is biggest error.

We will get a red soon

Posted by: han2503 Aug 25 2019, 06:25 PM

Suso has also been bad


Posted by: han2503 Aug 25 2019, 06:26 PM

Hakan has no grasp of how to play the position he's been put in. He needs to be shifted ASAP

What is becoming clear is that this squad has a looong way to go

And the very obviously far more complicated system Giampaolo has them playing is making them look even more inept compared to how they looked under Rino

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 06:27 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2019, 06:09 PM) *
We don't have options. We have a gameplan and a strategy completely unsuited for the level of (footballing) intelligence, technique and overall quality our team has.


We're playing with Hakan as DM, Borini as CM and Castillejo as FW FFS! All our options are on the bench.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 25 2019, 06:25 PM) *
Suso has also been bad


If Suso has been bad then I don't know what to call the rest.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 25 2019, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 06:27 PM) *
We're playing with Hakan as DM, Borini as CM and Castillejo as FW FFS! All our options are on the bench.



If Suso has been bad then I don't know what to call the rest.

Pretty much terrible

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 06:36 PM

1-0 Udinese well deserved

Posted by: han2503 Aug 25 2019, 06:36 PM

Deserved really

we've been an absolute mess

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 06:38 PM

Yep, not much else to say. Shameful performance.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 06:38 PM

Should have been 2 0

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 06:41 PM

How can you keep Calhanoglu and sub Paqueta instead? Oh, Giampaolo...

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 06:48 PM

Good decision last thing we needed was a controversial var pk

Posted by: han2503 Aug 25 2019, 06:51 PM

We labour and labour and can't even get in their penalty area and they cut us through with 2 passes

This is really bad stuff. I wasn't expecting anything great really, but this is beyond

Posted by: han2503 Aug 25 2019, 07:00 PM

What a shitshow that was

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 07:01 PM

So our first 3 fixtures were the easy ones..

If we change the system and dont even play the suited players then this is bound to happen.


Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 25 2019, 07:01 PM

No one wants to comment on Piatek and his disgraceful dive following by even more disgraceful acting? And all this in the VAR age?

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 07:04 PM

I can't fathom Rodriguez and Calhanoglu anymore. Yes, everyone was terrible, but if there are two players who embody the sh*t we've become, it's these two. Lazy, sluggish, clueless and completely demotivated.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 07:05 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2019, 07:01 PM) *
No one wants to comment on Piatek and his disgraceful dive following by even more disgraceful acting? And all this in the VAR age?


Oh yeah, that was absurd. I felt ashamed for him.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 25 2019, 07:08 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2019, 08:01 PM) *
No one wants to comment on Piatek and his disgraceful dive following by even more disgraceful acting? And all this in the VAR age?

Yes very bad from him. Should have been booked as well

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 25 2019, 07:14 PM

As for Milan - or should I say AC Empoli, a terrible performance. But what's there to expect? Terrible management, followed by a poor coach and a limited roster filled with the wrong decisions and wrong components.

For the last time... last season Gattuso's simplistic style of play made it abundantly clear what Milan's strong and weak sides are. Now tell me this: we decided to "upgrade" our team with a new coach and new philosophy, while adding little to none (yes, Leao, Duarte, Krunić and Bennacer are not much for me).

Then our coach decides to turn pretty much all positive aspects of last season upside-down and makes players like Suso, Hakan, etc. look terrible. Meanwhile Ricky Massara says the Correa story has been blown out of proportions by the media which means we gave up. Boban and Maldini, players I admire, but managerial amateurs, lead Milan out of Europe in order to have "more freedom" with FPP and decide to splash money on a 4th left back and a kid striker who scored less then 10 goals at Lille.

Just like last season, we start with a pile of "junk players" that are basically useless. But last season those players were Mauri, Bertolacci, etc - players virtually impossible to sell. This season we have Strinić, Biglia, Kessie, Castillejo, etc. Plusvalenza or not, by keeping them and not adding up experience is just solidifying our downfall.

And by experienced players by no means do I mean Ronaldo. I mean good or very good players who would probably sign for us. Look at Fiorentina - just one summer and everyone is talking about a "project". Is anyone talking about a Milan project? I don't think so. AC Empoli

The final ten minutes of this game tell you everything. The good old Suso jumped at the first sign of trouble back to right wing, Piatek vanished, Pirloğlu got lost in his dreams. Good moves Giampa. Everything Gattuso learned us you managed to reset and made us even worse. Great decision making. AC Empoli

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 25 2019, 07:18 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 09:04 PM) *
I can't fathom Rodriguez and Calhanoglu anymore. Yes, everyone was terrible, but if there are two players who embody the sh*t we've become, it's these two. Lazy, sluggish, clueless and completely demotivated.

Again, I told you so. I watched Hakan for HSV and for Lever. He's lethargic, dreamy, sluggish and virtually incontrollable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not obsessed with the "I told you so" moments, it's just that I feel very frustrated with the way Milan is being handled and also I notice you guys tend to believe only what you see/experience. Same happened with a bunch of other players.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 09:05 PM) *
Oh yeah, that was absurd. I felt ashamed for him.

Really ashamed. Can you remember the famous Gilardino dive, what was it, Celtic? And we whined and whined. But this is so much worse. Really disgraceful.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 07:21 PM

Giampaolo needs to stop f*ck around and play the best of the best we have. This is not pre-season anymore.

Bennacer, Kessie and Paqueta in midfield must be a constant from now on. Same with Leao.

I really hope we sign Correa otherwise we're screwed.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 25 2019, 07:41 PM

Didn't you hear Ricky Massara? I don't think we'll be signing Correa.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 07:49 PM

I don't believe anything until the end of the window.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 25 2019, 08:34 PM

The thing is, we made already two steps backward. As I said earlier, opposition is much stronger. Whereas we have a management and coach who still hasn't figured out what Borini should be used or not used for, what Suso and Hakan can or cannot play, etc.

Posted by: Danny Aug 25 2019, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 23 2019, 11:18 PM) *
This team will wipe that optimisically smug smile off your face inside 10 minutes of the match...


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tbh we actually did better than I expected. We didn't lose by more than one goal.

This team is already fighting not to be a bottom 10 team. In fact, it may even be seeking avoiding being bottom 5. It's that bad.

It has a manager versed in mediocrity, a squad with no planning and no structure, thoroughly average players, and a desire to play those already average players in completely ill-fitting positions.

This is what dims my heart re: Milan. I can tolerate a bad team as long as it tries. I just can't tolerate one that plays bad, lacks morale, has no obvious system and is guided by someone utterly out of his depth.

Oh, and another thing - I knew it would be a duff season when I saw our new shirt - every recent season we have had the thin stripes, the horrible shirt, it reflects a horrible team or bad season. 11/12 (the summer which saw the exodus), 13/14 (8th), 16 (7th) and now this one. Especially the 2011 one. The start of the end.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2019, 09:18 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2019, 07:14 PM) *
As for Milan - or should I say AC Empoli, a terrible performance. But what's there to expect? Terrible management, followed by a poor coach and a limited roster filled with the wrong decisions and wrong components.

For the last time... last season Gattuso's simplistic style of play made it abundantly clear what Milan's strong and weak sides are. Now tell me this: we decided to "upgrade" our team with a new coach and new philosophy, while adding little to none (yes, Leao, Duarte, Krunić and Bennacer are not much for me).

Then our coach decides to turn pretty much all positive aspects of last season upside-down and makes players like Suso, Hakan, etc. look terrible. Meanwhile Ricky Massara says the Correa story has been blown out of proportions by the media which means we gave up. Boban and Maldini, players I admire, but managerial amateurs, lead Milan out of Europe in order to have "more freedom" with FPP and decide to splash money on a 4th left back and a kid striker who scored less then 10 goals at Lille.

Just like last season, we start with a pile of "junk players" that are basically useless. But last season those players were Mauri, Bertolacci, etc - players virtually impossible to sell. This season we have Strinić, Biglia, Kessie, Castillejo, etc. Plusvalenza or not, by keeping them and not adding up experience is just solidifying our downfall.

And by experienced players by no means do I mean Ronaldo. I mean good or very good players who would probably sign for us. Look at Fiorentina - just one summer and everyone is talking about a "project". Is anyone talking about a Milan project? I don't think so. AC Empoli

The final ten minutes of this game tell you everything. The good old Suso jumped at the first sign of trouble back to right wing, Piatek vanished, Pirloğlu got lost in his dreams. Good moves Giampa. Everything Gattuso learned us you managed to reset and made us even worse. Great decision making. AC Empoli


Though you do make good points, I think it's a little too early to be jumping to conclusions. Today's line-up was a dead give-away that things might go south for us, and they did.

I think all the players we've signed were necessary. We got a couple of back-ups in Duarte and Krunic to replace the players that left, two very good signings in Hernandez and Bennacer that will help us improve the weaknesses in those areas, and a promising youngster that can play anywhere in attack.

Granted, it's not enough, we need at least someone proven and of quality upfront. Also, wanted to point out that Strinic rescinded his contract with us a couple of day ago, so he's no longer a Milan player.

Posted by: Danny Aug 25 2019, 09:33 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 09:18 PM) *
Also, wanted to point out that Strinic rescinded his contract with us a couple of day ago, so he's no longer a Milan player.


Isn't he the one Han pegged as the new Maldini for us? Someone decided he was the ghost of Baresi and I can't remember who.

Posted by: William405 Aug 25 2019, 10:22 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2019, 09:01 PM) *
No one wants to comment on Piatek and his disgraceful dive following by even more disgraceful acting? And all this in the VAR age?


Yes, terrible.

Posted by: William405 Aug 25 2019, 10:33 PM

We didn't do good. Giamp needs to be practical, and he needs to do it quickly. Why didn't we keep Gattuso again?

Posted by: Danny Aug 25 2019, 10:42 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2019, 07:01 PM) *
No one wants to comment on Piatek and his disgraceful dive following by even more disgraceful acting? And all this in the VAR age?


Too busy moaning about everything else in the match. In his marginal defence, he was indeed struck in the face, if not particularly violently and not meriting of that reaction, but, yes, I rate his ability highly and I nevertheless lost a great deal of respect for him at that incident.

Posted by: Danny Aug 25 2019, 10:43 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 25 2019, 10:33 PM) *
We didn't do good. Giamp needs to be practical, and he needs to do it quickly. Why didn't we keep Gattuso again?


He actually quit did he not?

PS how was that optimistic smile of yours after 10 minutes (!)

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 26 2019, 07:35 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2019, 11:18 PM) *
Though you do make good points, I think it's a little too early to be jumping to conclusions. Today's line-up was a dead give-away that things might go south for us, and they did.

I think all the players we've signed were necessary. We got a couple of back-ups in Duarte and Krunic to replace the players that left, two very good signings in Hernandez and Bennacer that will help us improve the weaknesses in those areas, and a promising youngster that can play anywhere in attack.

Granted, it's not enough, we need at least someone proven and of quality upfront. Also, wanted to point out that Strinic rescinded his contract with us a couple of day ago, so he's no longer a Milan player.

I disagree on the necessity part. I think only Bennacer was necessary. All other signings are pretty much unimportant. Duarte was also necessary, or at least a CB. But had we renegotiated a new deal with Zapata, and also keep in mind that Rodriguez is well suited to play CB (I actually think he would be better then LB). So splashing up money for Duarte was not a priority. Hernandez is good because Rodriguez causes problems, but he also wasn't/isn't a priority. IMO we gave much money for a injury prone youngster with no Serie A experience. Krunić I believe is completely unimportant.

And even if we say the signings have been necessary, I still think we could have handled them with more care and make shrewder decision on who to keep and who to sell and for what prize. We used to moan around how Galliani wasn't able to sell his cuts. Well.. But you honestly think that (even beside the point that Rodriguez is getting worse and worse) we needed a leftback, a young midfielder and a very young striker to take a shot at 4th spot? Because this is the goal, right? Or are we trying to secure survival and avoid relegation?

Last season we were 1 point shy of getting to the CL. So things were easy. We knew we needed a more tactically astute coach like Giampaolo and made the move. But then Maldini and Boban got completely lost. Tell me, do you consider us any stronger with does depth players and talents? I think minus Zapata, Bakayoko and Cutrone we're in fact much weaker.

We created a big mess with letting the coach implement his own system of play while all the same not providing the necessary (quality) players. I hear Giampaolo is now suggesting (post-game conference) to drop his system in favor of a plan that plays on the strengths of the players. That went south quickly.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 26 2019, 07:37 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 26 2019, 12:43 AM) *
He actually quit did he not?

PS how was that optimistic smile of yours after 10 minutes (!)

I think it was mutual. Milan wanted someone new and Ringo just wanted not to create any trouble so he left.

Posted by: William405 Aug 26 2019, 08:55 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 26 2019, 12:43 AM) *
He actually quit did he not?

PS how was that optimistic smile of yours after 10 minutes (!)


Haha..gone quickly. I just thought it was a tactical mess. All of the players looked lost out there with this new system.

Posted by: William405 Aug 26 2019, 08:56 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2019, 09:35 AM) *
I disagree on the necessity part. I think only Bennacer was necessary. All other signings are pretty much unimportant. Duarte was also necessary, or at least a CB. But had we renegotiated a new deal with Zapata, and also keep in mind that Rodriguez is well suited to play CB (I actually think he would be better then LB). So splashing up money for Duarte was not a priority. Hernandez is good because Rodriguez causes problems, but he also wasn't/isn't a priority. IMO we gave much money for a injury prone youngster with no Serie A experience. Krunić I believe is completely unimportant.

And even if we say the signings have been necessary, I still think we could have handled them with more care and make shrewder decision on who to keep and who to sell and for what prize. We used to moan around how Galliani wasn't able to sell his cuts. Well.. But you honestly think that (even beside the point that Rodriguez is getting worse and worse) we needed a leftback, a young midfielder and a very young striker to take a shot at 4th spot? Because this is the goal, right? Or are we trying to secure survival and avoid relegation?

Last season we were 1 point shy of getting to the CL. So things were easy. We knew we needed a more tactically astute coach like Giampaolo and made the move. But then Maldini and Boban got completely lost. Tell me, do you consider us any stronger with does depth players and talents? I think minus Zapata, Bakayoko and Cutrone we're in fact much weaker.

We created a big mess with letting the coach implement his own system of play while all the same not providing the necessary (quality) players. I hear Giampaolo is now suggesting (post-game conference) to drop his system in favor of a plan that plays on the strengths of the players. That went south quickly.


At least he realized quickly that it was never going to work. Good indicator. The problem is we bought players for a different system, and we didn't get the left-winger we should have bought. And, Correa is far from being that.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 26 2019, 01:59 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2019, 07:35 AM) *
But you honestly think that (even beside the point that Rodriguez is getting worse and worse) we needed a leftback, a young midfielder and a very young striker to take a shot at 4th spot?


Hell yes on the left back! That was a HUGE priority. We cannot continue with Rodriguez. The guy is utter rubbish, which he diligently proved again yesterday.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2019, 07:35 AM) *
IMO we gave much money for a injury prone youngster with no Serie A experience.


Oh, so he injured his ankle and suddenly he's injury prone? That can happen to anyone.

Hernandez was a necessary signing. The kid is plenty talented and he showed that in his the first half against Bayern before leaving injured. He might not have Serie A experience but he has La Liga experience, which is a far more superior league.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2019, 07:35 AM) *
Tell me, do you consider us any stronger with does depth players and talents? I think minus Zapata, Bakayoko and Cutrone we're in fact much weaker.


I think with Hernandez, Bennacer and Leao we're stronger. Not sure how Leao will turn out in the end, but I never rated Cutrone. Perhaps spending 30M on him was a stretch, so I agree that we could have spent a little more on someone else.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 26 2019, 02:05 PM

https://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/milan-giampaolo-pensa-al-ritorno-del-4-3-3-boban-a-madrid-per-correa_7496996-201902a.shtml

Mediaset already suggesting that we're switching back to 4-3-3 and that Boban is flying to Madrid to close for Correa.

Speaking of which, the guy's primary position is on the wing (no SS and no AM), so if we sign him we could easily play him and Suso on the wings and Piatek as CF.

Posted by: William405 Aug 26 2019, 02:22 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 26 2019, 04:05 PM) *
https://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/milan-giampaolo-pensa-al-ritorno-del-4-3-3-boban-a-madrid-per-correa_7496996-201902a.shtml

Mediaset already suggesting that we're switching back to 4-3-3 and that Boban is flying to Madrid to close for Correa.

Speaking of which, the guy's primary position is on the wing (no SS and no AM), so if we sign him we could easily play him and Suso on the wings and Piatek as CF.


Oh okay perfect then! Having Correa will def. help if he plays as a winger.


Posted by: X-Offender Aug 26 2019, 04:23 PM

Oh look, Lukaku is starting for Inter despite being with the team for only two weeks. Take note, Maestro Giampaolo. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: William405 Aug 26 2019, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 26 2019, 06:23 PM) *
Oh look, Lukaku is starting for Inter despite being with the team for only two weeks. Take note, Maestro Giampaolo. rolleyes.gif


It really was a big error on his part. I mean, Borini in midfield, come on. Kessie has always been in the team..

I feel like we're repeating the same thing over and over. My biggest fear is that we have signed an incompetent coach.


Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 26 2019, 07:19 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 26 2019, 03:59 PM) *
Hell yes on the left back! That was a HUGE priority. We cannot continue with Rodriguez. The guy is utter rubbish, which he diligently proved again yesterday.

Leftbacks won't win us the 4th spot. Look at Lazio and Atalanta. Are Cataldi, Jordan Lukaku, Conti, Spinazzola, etc. really good options? No. But when you operate with a limited budget and have a big agenda you address the key areas: midfield and attack.

I understand your frustration with Rodriguez and share it. But I don't think it's an essential move and paying 30M for yet another shot in the dark is excessive under these circumstances.

QUOTE
Oh, so he injured his ankle and suddenly he's injury prone? That can happen to anyone.

Wasn't he also injured prior to signing for us?

QUOTE
I think with Hernandez, Bennacer and Leao we're stronger. Not sure how Leao will turn out in the end, but I never rated Cutrone. Perhaps spending 30M on him was a stretch, so I agree that we could have spent a little more on someone else.

To be quite honest I think Cutrone is better then Piatek. The guy hasn't scored a goal, what - 6 months now? And the limitations he has... Cutrone was also limited but he had that Inzaghiesque intelligence. This one... not so sure.

Naah man, non of our signings make any real difference nor do they get us any closer to the 4th spot. And now with Atalanta and Fiorentina emerging as threats, I can see us finish 8th-10th once more.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 26 2019, 08:04 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2019, 07:19 PM) *
Leftbacks won't win us the 4th spot. Look at Lazio and Atalanta. Are Cataldi, Jordan Lukaku, Conti, Spinazzola, etc. really good options? No. But when you operate with a limited budget and have a big agenda you address the key areas: midfield and attack.

I understand your frustration with Rodriguez and share it. But I don't think it's an essential move and paying 30M for yet another shot in the dark is excessive under these circumstances.


30M? We spent 20M for him, a very reasonable price for a fullback. Inter spent 22M for Lazaro.

And I disagree that fullbacks aren't important. Essential, perhaps not, but a competitive teams need to have competent fullbacks.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2019, 07:19 PM) *
Wasn't he also injured prior to signing for us?

No.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2019, 07:19 PM) *
To be quite honest I think Cutrone is better then Piatek. The guy hasn't scored a goal, what - 6 months now? And the limitations he has... Cutrone was also limited but he had that Inzaghiesque intelligence. This one... not so sure.

Naah man, non of our signings make any real difference nor do they get us any closer to the 4th spot. And now with Atalanta and Fiorentina emerging as threats, I can see us finish 8th-10th once more.


Like I said, I don't rate Cutrone at all, but Piatek has been so abysmal as of late, so I get it. I think we're all hoping this is just a phase and he returns to the player we all admired when he first joined us.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 26 2019, 08:35 PM

Too much hoping and wishing and too little planning and preparing.

Hernandez was injured before, not for long (a month or so). And yes, fullbacks are important but right now that's not a priority. I read we're after Demiral again. Are we insane or what? We're ready to splash 35M for the guy because Rugani will stay? Hope this is some paper BS.

Also, Giampaolo switching back the system would be yet another mistake IMO. First, this would mean the whole preparation period was a sheer waste of time [yet another sign of how Milan poorly planned this season]. Secondly, this would mean that Giampaolo hasn't quite any idea left and now tries to turn back on an old insufficient system with the everlasting problem - no quality left winger. Is that Correa? Perhaps...

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 26 2019, 08:59 PM

I share your concerns.

But I think that, with Correa seemingly a done deal at this point (new rumours coming from Spain that he's not training with the rest of the squad), on paper we have a solid line-up for 4th spot.

Donnarumma
Calabria - Musacchio - Romagnoli - Hernandez
Kessie - Bennacer - Paqueta
Suso - Piatek - Correa


Now this is just my opinion. I understand if you feel skeptical.

As for Demiral, don't know what to make of it. Does this mean Caldara is still a long way before returning? Is this Duarte kid not good enough? Boh...

Posted by: Danny Aug 26 2019, 09:26 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 26 2019, 06:20 PM) *
It really was a big error on his part. I mean, Borini in midfield, come on. Kessie has always been in the team..

I feel like we're repeating the same thing over and over. My biggest fear is that we have signed an incompetent coach.


It's almost endearing that it's taken till now for this to become apparent to you. I wish I'd had even your level of hope up till now.

Posted by: Danny Aug 26 2019, 09:28 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 26 2019, 04:23 PM) *
Oh look, Lukaku is starting for Inter despite being with the team for only two weeks. Take note, Maestro Giampaolo. rolleyes.gif


And scored.

Let's face it, we've brought in someone who was out of his depth from before he even walked in Milanello.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 26 2019, 09:47 PM

For the sake of it, I hope we switch to 4-3-3. I've said from day 1 that 4-3-1-2 is outdated and nobody uses it.

In this modern era of football, wings is everything. Be it 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, even 3-5-2, you just can't play without wings, unless you have a world class midfield and world class fullbacks.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 29 2019, 08:49 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 25 2019, 09:33 PM) *
Isn't he the one Han pegged as the new Maldini for us? Someone decided he was the ghost of Baresi and I can't remember who.

unsure.gif unsure.gif

I can assure you, I had never had any thoughts, negative or positive re Strinic before we got him.

Anyway, regarding this squad in general. We are playing a system that lives or dies by 3 fundamental rules imo, which are:
- Top fullbacks that can bomb up and down the pitch and create the width that this very narrow system lacks
- A top trequartista that is basically the focal point of the entire team
- A proper SS that can get involved in the buildup and bring Piatek into the game

And in each case, not only do we lack in those areas but they are currently our weakest ones

The fullbacks are a complete mess. Rodriguez spends more time running sideways and towards our own goal than bombing forward. Calabria had a nightmare of a game, but he's generally better so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Suso is just not an AM and never will be. He's too slow and too reliant on his singular attacking move of going wide and crossing

And as for an SS, Castillejo sure as hell is not the answer, and it was a mistake to start him over Leao or even Silva. At least a natural forward can help hold up the ball to try and play in the mids or his attacking partner, Samu just kept getting bullied around all game long. He's never going to be useful in a crowded area of the pitch

Overall, the decisions made are what truly stuck the knife into us. Giampaolo made some really terrible decisions that 100% of the fans could see backfiring from a mile away before a single ball was kicked

Borini should not be starting any game. He's a rotation player and is only to be used as such FFS. How many coaches do we have to go through that always seem to value him for some reason or another when he's one of the most limited players to have played for us, and to add insult to injury and play him in midfield...

Hakan at regista... I mean WTF was he thinking, has Hakan ever even played this position?


The mistakes were endless, and Giampaolo better learn quick or he won't last till Christmas at this rate

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 29 2019, 09:46 PM

Ahh, what's there to say. Probably at Sampdoria Borini would be a given starter, and that's the logic the poor guy knows.

Posted by: William405 Aug 29 2019, 09:47 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 29 2019, 10:49 PM) *
unsure.gif unsure.gif

I can assure you, I had never had any thoughts, negative or positive re Strinic before we got him.

Anyway, regarding this squad in general. We are playing a system that lives or dies by 3 fundamental rules imo, which are:
- Top fullbacks that can bomb up and down the pitch and create the width that this very narrow system lacks
- A top trequartista that is basically the focal point of the entire team
- A proper SS that can get involved in the buildup and bring Piatek into the game

And in each case, not only do we lack in those areas but they are currently our weakest ones

The fullbacks are a complete mess. Rodriguez spends more time running sideways and towards our own goal than bombing forward. Calabria had a nightmare of a game, but he's generally better so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Suso is just not an AM and never will be. He's too slow and too reliant on his singular attacking move of going wide and crossing

And as for an SS, Castillejo sure as hell is not the answer, and it was a mistake to start him over Leao or even Silva. At least a natural forward can help hold up the ball to try and play in the mids or his attacking partner, Samu just kept getting bullied around all game long. He's never going to be useful in a crowded area of the pitch

Overall, the decisions made are what truly stuck the knife into us. Giampaolo made some really terrible decisions that 100% of the fans could see backfiring from a mile away before a single ball was kicked

Borini should not be starting any game. He's a rotation player and is only to be used as such FFS. How many coaches do we have to go through that always seem to value him for some reason or another when he's one of the most limited players to have played for us, and to add insult to injury and play him in midfield...

Hakan at regista... I mean WTF was he thinking, has Hakan ever even played this position?


The mistakes were endless, and Giampaolo better learn quick or he won't last till Christmas at this rate


So true. One thing to bear in mind, Theo will probably replace Rodriguez. I think he will good in attack. Calabria should perform better. Don't forget we have Conti too.

Suso can work as AM in theory..but I think it is a big risk too.

And for the SS, yes for sure someone other than Cast...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 29 2019, 09:47 PM

Conti seems to be... not good enough.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 30 2019, 09:01 PM

Another one of Mirabelli's genius moves.

Out of all the players he brought in that summer, not a single one turned out to be good.

Musacchio - average
Conti - mediocre
Rodriguez - rubbish
Biglia - mediocre
Kessie - average
Calhanoglu - rubbish
Silva - rubbish
Borini - rubbish
Kalinic - rubbish

Way to waste 200M.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 30 2019, 09:44 PM

Indeed.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 31 2019, 11:11 AM

QUOTE
Milan (4-3-2-1): Donnarumma, Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez, Kessie, Bennacer, Paquetà; Suso, Calhanoglu; Piatek


Formation according to Sky. Good, let's see what this Bennacer has to offer. I seems we're switching formation after the day 1 debacle.

Posted by: Danny Aug 31 2019, 01:11 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 30 2019, 09:01 PM) *
Another one of Mirabelli's genius moves.

Out of all the players he brought in that summer, not a single one turned out to be good.

Musacchio - average
Conti - mediocre
Rodriguez - rubbish
Biglia - mediocre
Kessie - average
Calhanoglu - rubbish
Silva - rubbish
Borini - rubbish
Kalinic - rubbish

Way to waste 200M.


Musacchio - who?
Conti - unfair, was doing ok then basically got a career-ending injury
Rod - good left foot and cross, cr*p everything else.
Biglia - less than mediocre
Kessie - had potential but just not up to it
Hakan - yup
Silva - worse than rubbish
Borini - worse than Silva
Kalinic - worse than aids.

Bonucci - MINCEMINCEMINCE

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2019, 03:24 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 31 2019, 01:11 PM) *
Musacchio - who?
Conti - unfair, was doing ok then basically got a career-ending injury
Rod - good left foot and cross, cr*p everything else.
Biglia - less than mediocre
Kessie - had potential but just not up to it
Hakan - yup
Silva - worse than rubbish
Borini - worse than Silva
Kalinic - worse than aids.

Bonucci - MINCEMINCEMINCE


Harsh on Musacchio. I think of all those players, he’s been the most consistent one.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2019, 03:56 PM

Andre Silva to start instead of Piatek, and Calhanocrap instead of Paqueta, according to Mediaset. Also Castillejo as well.

Giampaolo has lost it.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2019, 05:01 PM

Samu starting again...

Oh my

Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2019, 05:14 PM

Goal! Hakan.

Playing okay so far. Not great but getting the job done

Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2019, 05:31 PM

I'm actually liking the attack more with Silva...

Paqueta instead of Samu would work better but overall it's much more fluid this week

Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2019, 06:57 PM

Could, not score that second goal for love or money. But that's 3pts on the board, that's all that matters at this point

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 31 2019, 07:02 PM

But we play goddamn awful against two relegation candidates. All negative aspects from last season are amplified plus Giampaolo experimenting with Samu doesn't help either. This is a complete and utter mess.

I give Giampaolo 2 months. He'll be gone by December. Who should we call next? Ambrosini? Shevchenko? Kaladze?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 31 2019, 07:04 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 31 2019, 07:31 PM) *
I'm actually liking the attack more with Silva...

Paqueta instead of Samu would work better but overall it's much more fluid this week

Piatek is rusty and one-dimensional, at least Silva has some intelligence in this utterly stupid bunch of players we have available.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2019, 07:17 PM

So, we played bad?

Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2019, 08:28 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 31 2019, 07:02 PM) *
But we play goddamn awful against two relegation candidates. All negative aspects from last season are amplified plus Giampaolo experimenting with Samu doesn't help either. This is a complete and utter mess.

I give Giampaolo 2 months. He'll be gone by December. Who should we call next? Ambrosini? Shevchenko? Kaladze?

Agreed about Samu, but I think there were some positive signs today compared to the crapfest we saw last Sunday.

In the end Piatek was unlucky not to score, especially that one right on the line.

If no one else comes in this window, which is looking more and more likely, I'd like to see Paqueta behind the strikers. He's such a quick thinker and he's strong as well. As soon as he moved up the pitch from the midfield position you could instantly see a change in how he played. He's too shackled on that left side.

Hakan was also much better today than last week, which isn't saying much, I know considering the nightmare of a game he had last Sunday, but I was happy overall with how he played.

We can whine and whine, but it seems like these will be the players we'll have for this season, so I'm hoping Giampaolo can get the best out of them and play all of them in the positions they excel in. I'm giving him he benefit of the doubt for now, he needs to get to know all the players well, especially those who were on NT duty this summer, but if he can't get his bearings by the end of September, then yes, he'll probably be gone by xmas.

Allegri was in the stands, what do you think about him returning? I was never a fan but he's a functional coach if nothing else.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 31 2019, 07:04 PM) *
Piatek is rusty and one-dimensional, at least Silva has some intelligence in this utterly stupid bunch of players we have available.

I don't think we're really playing to his strengths to be honest. But yeah, Silva provides a lot more movement, he's rusty too, but he can drift to the wings, go to midfield and still be comfortable, not to mention that he can be quick once he gets going.

I feel like Suso is our most creative player and he's gifted but he's limited as well, and right now, I feel like we're playing to accommodate him and that's not going to be sustainable, because as talented as he is, he is equally limited in the way he plays

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 31 2019, 07:17 PM) *
So, we played bad?

Not really, we had good spells and bad spells, nothing like the Udine game. There's a lot of room for improvement though, and if this is the squad we end up with come next Monday, Giampaolo needs to start utilising all his best players to the best of their abilities, or we won't be going anywhere this season aside from mid-table

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2019, 09:37 PM

Looks like Bennacer played an excellent game.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2019, 10:09 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 31 2019, 09:37 PM) *
Looks like Bennacer played an excellent game.

Yes, really liked him, clean passes, quick on his feet, doesn't dawdle on the ball, always looks for the forward pass and covers space well

The midfield still looks very disjointed as a unit but both he and Kessie played well today

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2019, 12:55 AM

Yes, Bennacer certainly looked good. Agreed.

I would say we played better then against Udinese, but mind that Brescia is essentially a Serie B team. That being said, I don't think we're up to anything this season. The comments Giampaolo is giving make me realize he's a typical Italian hack alla Ventura. Surprise switches and shock picks to shake things up, much complicated stategizing, etc but virtually everything suited for a small club mentality.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2019, 02:06 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 1 2019, 12:55 AM) *
Yes, Bennacer certainly looked good. Agreed.

I would say we played better then against Udinese, but mind that Brescia is essentially a Serie B team. That being said, I don't think we're up to anything this season. The comments Giampaolo is giving make me realize he's a typical Italian hack alla Ventura. Surprise switches and shock picks to shake things up, much complicated stategizing, etc but virtually everything suited for a small club mentality.

Eeek!

Hope he's not as bad as Ventura, but yes, his picks are head scratchers.

I'm trying to give him as much benefit of the doubt as I can. He's still getting to know this team, so I expect some wacky choices for now. But starting Samu is getting old fast, especially when you have Paqueta and Leao on the bench. Leao, if nothing else, is definitely a big presence in the attack and is very quick, while Paqueta is smarter and more creative. There's no excuse to playing Samu over them, especially in positions that are not wide

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2019, 03:59 PM

So, I didn't watch the game last night, but I watched the highlights. We created a lot, should have scored another two IMO.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2019, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 1 2019, 03:59 PM) *
So, I didn't watch the game last night, but I watched the highlights. We created a lot, should have scored another two IMO.

Meh, I wouldn't say that we created a lot. The 2 chances Piatek had were incredibly unlucky not to go in, but overall it was a very patchy performance, with a lot of needless possession being kept between the defenders

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2019, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 1 2019, 04:59 PM) *
Meh, I wouldn't say that we created a lot. The 2 chances Piatek had were incredibly unlucky not to go in, but overall it was a very patchy performance, with a lot of needless possession being kept between the defenders


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM4plVjTRDY

0:57
2:01
2:15
2:30
2:59
3:10

Those are clear chances.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2019, 09:44 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 1 2019, 07:36 PM) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM4plVjTRDY

0:57
2:01
2:15
2:30
2:59
3:10

Those are clear chances.

Considering all the possession we had that's not a lot. most of our chances came from long shots or set pieces. I expect more than that, we still play like we did last season, Giampaolo was supposed to bring in a more tactically diverse way of playing and so far I don't really see that

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2019, 10:29 PM

Also, most of our chances came when Brescia fell apart. But then there was this typical period of lethargic passing around and playing with no intention of (really) attacking or threatening the opposition that happened last year under Gattuso as well.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2019, 11:10 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 1 2019, 10:29 PM) *
But then there was this typical period of lethargic passing around and playing with no intention of (really) attacking or threatening the opposition that happened last year under Gattuso as well.


I know what you mean.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 2 2019, 07:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE-R2pqojy4

That's exactly what we lacked in an anchor. Order, precision, quick thinking, simplicity. Great signing.

I think in Bennacer, Paqueta and Suso we have three very, very good players that bring a lot of quality to the table. It's just the rest of the squad that isn't up to par. Guys like Rodriguez, Kessie, Hakan, Piatek etc. are very lacking. Don't make me even talk about the likes of Borini and Castillejo.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 13 2019, 06:53 PM

Probable line-up vs Verona (Mediaset):

Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Bennacer, Kessie; Calhanoglu; Suso, Castillejo, Piatek.

Someone remind me why we signed Duarte, Hernandez, Krunic, Rebic and Leao please. Also, someone explain to me why the f*ck that useless dud of Castillejo keeps starting games.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 14 2019, 03:55 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 13 2019, 06:53 PM) *
Probable line-up vs Verona (Mediaset):

Donnarumma; Calabria, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Bennacer, Kessie; Calhanoglu; Suso, Castillejo, Piatek.

Someone remind me why we signed Duarte, Hernandez, Krunic, Rebic and Leao please. Also, someone explain to me why the f*ck that useless dud of Castillejo keeps starting games.

This Castillejo business is getting really old. He's not an SS and GP needs to stop playing him!

I understand the Hernandez situation as he's just come back from injury

And not playing Paqueta?? FFS man! If we have any chance of success, our best players need to be starting.

Paqueta should be starting as an AM. Suso could easily slot into the SS role starting from a wider position

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 14 2019, 08:48 PM

It doesn't matter whether Castillejo can play as SS or not. He's just a terrible player all around. I'd rather play Borini instead, and that's saying a lot.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 07:10 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 14 2019, 08:48 PM) *
It doesn't matter whether Castillejo can play as SS or not. He's just a terrible player all around. I'd rather play Borini instead, and that's saying a lot.

Agreed, but he's at least usable on the wings if the need arises. But as a striker, he's a ghost.

Borini would probably pull off the SS position just fine. Wasn't attack where he played in his Roma days?

Posted by: William405 Sep 15 2019, 11:33 AM

I really think we did a bad choice with the coach here.

Posted by: Danny Sep 15 2019, 12:01 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 15 2019, 11:33 AM) *
I really think we did a bad choice with the coach here.


Why do you think I rarely come on here now.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 15 2019, 03:25 PM

https://www.gazzetta.it/stipendi_giocatori_serie_a/

Anyone seen this?

It's incredible how we always make the same mistakes (yet we are better off then before). Next summer we can expect yet another circus with Donnarumma's contract starting which could easily mean he will be sold for a considerable fee.

But look at the great job Lazio has done. Immobile, Milinković-Savić, Alberto, Parolo - all earn 2,5M or less. And then look at Milan, Donnarumma earns more then Insigne or Dzeko, Borini earns 2,5, Biglia 3,5, etc. Way too much for "rotational" players.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2019, 07:10 PM

Biglia starting.

0 new players starting.

Giampaolo really wants to be hated.

Posted by: William405 Sep 15 2019, 07:23 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 15 2019, 05:25 PM) *
https://www.gazzetta.it/stipendi_giocatori_serie_a/

Anyone seen this?

It's incredible how we always make the same mistakes (yet we are better off then before). Next summer we can expect yet another circus with Donnarumma's contract starting which could easily mean he will be sold for a considerable fee.

But look at the great job Lazio has done. Immobile, Milinković-Savić, Alberto, Parolo - all earn 2,5M or less. And then look at Milan, Donnarumma earns more then Insigne or Dzeko, Borini earns 2,5, Biglia 3,5, etc. Way too much for "rotational" players.


True. I think we improved our salary cap for sure. But, the way salaries are provided doesn't make sense at all. Why are our rotational players getting paid more than our starters? It doesn't make sense.

Again, I think we're improving in that department. And, the total salary cap is not far from being where it needs to be.

Posted by: William405 Sep 15 2019, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 15 2019, 09:10 PM) *
Biglia starting.

0 new players starting.

Giampaolo really wants to be hated.


Impressive. Biglia over Bennacer pisses me off. Anyway, let's hope for the best.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2019, 08:35 PM

Can't even take a shot at goal against a 10-man Verona.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 08:37 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 15 2019, 03:25 PM) *
https://www.gazzetta.it/stipendi_giocatori_serie_a/

Anyone seen this?

It's incredible how we always make the same mistakes (yet we are better off then before). Next summer we can expect yet another circus with Donnarumma's contract starting which could easily mean he will be sold for a considerable fee.

But look at the great job Lazio has done. Immobile, Milinković-Savić, Alberto, Parolo - all earn 2,5M or less. And then look at Milan, Donnarumma earns more then Insigne or Dzeko, Borini earns 2,5, Biglia 3,5, etc. Way too much for "rotational" players.

Mirabelli's doing for the entirety of this.

We only just offloaded the last of Galliani's bad decisions this summer. So it will take time before we can actually do the same with this crop

At least we didn't hand out any obscene contracts this summer

And is it any surprise that the worst on the pitch so far have been Biglia, Rodriguez and Hakan?

Posted by: William405 Sep 15 2019, 08:40 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 15 2019, 10:35 PM) *
Can't even take a shot at goal against a 10-man Verona.


Absolutely disgraceful first half. Nothing else to say.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 08:41 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 15 2019, 08:35 PM) *
Can't even take a shot at goal against a 10-man Verona.

Just lethargic and all-round bad

We keep passing the ball horizontally in front of a wall of Verona players. There's no quickness or incisiveness.

How do we expect to break them down with everyone basically standing still?

Honestly. I really thought that if nothing else, Giampaolo would instill the basic fundamental concept of pass and move that was lacking under Rino. But not even tat is happening, everyone is just static.

The fullbacks don't even make any overlaps and we never widen the play to stretch out the opposing team.

These are all very worrying signs atm.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2019, 08:42 PM

Hakan and Rodriguez are the worst on the pitch by default. But Biglia sleep-walking there along with them certainly doesn't help.

Meanwhile we have guys like Hernandez, Bennacer, Rebic and Leao warming the bench. What a swell guy this Giampaolo is. king.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 15 2019, 08:42 PM

Guys am I in some kind of nightmarish trance? Am I overreacting?

I've been watching Milan for 25 years. Considering our opposition, I'm thinking this may be the worst start I've ever seen. Not result-wise. But we play like every goddamn simple thing is a chore of galactic proportions. Every attack, every cross or shot. I'm really appalled what I've seen so far.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2019, 08:43 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 15 2019, 08:42 PM) *
Guys am I in some kind of nightmarish trance? Am I overreacting?

I've been watching Milan for 25 years. Considering our opposition, I'm thinking this may be the worst start I've ever seen. Not result-wise. But we play like every goddamn simple thing is a chore of galactic proportions. Every attack, every cross or shot. I'm really appalled what I've seen so far.


There with you. Those horizontal passes back and forth are just unbearable.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 08:49 PM

So it seems good that I missed the first half

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 08:50 PM

Oit coach is going to screw up Paqueta.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 08:50 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Sep 15 2019, 09:50 PM) *
Our coach is going to screw up Paqueta.


Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 08:54 PM

How do you take off Paqueta and leave Hakan on FFS?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 08:55 PM

I think we need to start a pool.

How long do you think Giampaolo will last?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 08:56 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 15 2019, 08:42 PM) *
Guys am I in some kind of nightmarish trance? Am I overreacting?

I've been watching Milan for 25 years. Considering our opposition, I'm thinking this may be the worst start I've ever seen. Not result-wise. But we play like every goddamn simple thing is a chore of galactic proportions. Every attack, every cross or shot. I'm really appalled what I've seen so far.

You're not.

GP is making me wish for Rino to come back

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 08:58 PM

Rodriguez...

Rebic is making runs directly in front of him, he ignores him and just passes back centrally! I want to pull my hair out FFS

Posted by: William405 Sep 15 2019, 08:59 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 15 2019, 10:56 PM) *
You're not.

GP is making me wish for Rino to come back


I think that's the best solution. That Gattuso comes back.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2019, 09:00 PM

Rebic WTF laugh.gif

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 09:00 PM

Rebic what a miss

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 09:01 PM

Off the bar calabria..

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 15 2019, 09:58 PM) *
Rodriguez...

Rebic is making runs directly in front of him, he ignores him and just passes back centrally! I want to pull my hair out FFS

That basically sums him up

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2019, 09:06 PM

How can you spend 2 months in preparation and yet your team plays so bad?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 09:08 PM

PK

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 09:09 PM

I feel like this is going to be missed

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 09:10 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 15 2019, 10:09 PM) *
I feel like this is going to be missed

Hope not man

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 09:11 PM

Goal

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2019, 09:21 PM

I swear, our short corners are the worst thing ever.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 09:25 PM

Where is bonaventura?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 09:27 PM

Not a goal

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 09:37 PM

Wonderful

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 09:40 PM

Can the ref also send RR off for derby

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 09:40 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Sep 15 2019, 09:40 PM) *
Can the ref also send RR off for derby

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 15 2019, 09:42 PM

Somehow 3 points. One sub only so expected a very similar lineup next week

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 09:43 PM

Another 3 points

Once again, not deserved. Some of the worst football I've seen in a while from this team, and disgraceful conduct at the end to boot

The derby is next week. We haven't won that fixture in a while now and I don't anticipate that trend to change anytime soon, I'm mostly worried about getting a good hiding at this point considering how we're playing

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 15 2019, 09:45 PM

Giampaolo has to go. He's a complete amateur. I'm sure Parma, Sampdoria, Crotone or Palermo will soon be in need of a new coach.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2019, 09:45 PM

What an abysmal performance. No words to describe how clueless and sloppy this team is. Reminds me of how we used to play football when I was a kid, just kicking the ball without knowing what to do with it. Giampaolo has been a huge disappointment.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2019, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 15 2019, 09:45 PM) *
Giampaolo has to go. He's a complete amateur. I'm sure Parma, Sampdoria, Crotone or Palermo will soon be in need of a new coach.


biggrin.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 15 2019, 09:47 PM

What made you think he's good?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 09:48 PM

Rodriguez, Biglia, Hakan and Suso were all terrible.

Each one of them continuously slows down our plays.

Bennacer absolutely has to play against Inter, he's the only mid we have along with Paqueta capable of actually making a forward pass.

There are so many things wrong with this team I don't even know where to start. But the fact that we don't even seem to have basic concepts down is what's most worrying.

We're slow and static, the players hold onto the ball too long, there are zero ideas on how to break a team down. The horizontal passing is just mind bending. Rodriguez, Biglia, Hakan and Suso being the major culprits of the continuous horizontal passing leading to nowhere

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 15 2019, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 15 2019, 10:55 PM) *
I think we need to start a pool.

How long do you think Giampaolo will last?

Wow I used to do that like 2-3 years ago. I completely forgot who this is done. Or has the option disappeared?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 09:49 PM

Allegri is without a team. We better get on that.

And this coming from a huge Allegri critic. But this is obviously not going to lead anywhere good. We need to cut our losses quick imo, before it's another season down the drain

Obviously this won't happen, a bit of wishful thinking on my part

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 09:50 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 15 2019, 09:48 PM) *
Wow I used to do that like 2-3 years ago. I completely forgot who this is done. Or has the option disappeared?

I think we can still do it.

IIRC you need to start a thread as a poll. Let me look into it

Posted by: William405 Sep 15 2019, 09:51 PM

Absolutely terrible match. We got the 3 points, but is that all that matters? If we play like this during the season then we're going to be fighting for relegation.

Rebic provided some energy and much-needed solutions. He could be an interesting aquisition. But, when we're playing this way..no player can save us. Giamp imo needs to GTFO. He start with this ideal that he has a system, and that he wants Milan to play good football. Then. he decided to change formations very quickly. He is also fucking up our talented youngters. He keeps saying that Paqueta needs to be less Brazilian. He doesn't play in the right position, and not in the right mind-set at least. One of our most interesting player, now just became much less attractive.

Also, Piatek is absolutely is absent. His touch lets him down each time, and we can't seem to get him into the right positions.

Biglia instead of Bennacer is a stupid decision. The guy was man of the match in our second serie A game. Why the hell use Biglia? (who IMO needs to leave sooner rather than later)

And, what's more frustrating is that we're not playing attractive football...if we're putting on good performances I wouldn't mind it.

At this point, I really wouldn't mind seeing Gattuso come back. He knows all the players really well, and can put in some good fighting spirit inside of them.

All I can think about now is how bad the game against Inter will be. And, how they made all the good decisions, and we made all the terrible ones.

Posted by: William405 Sep 15 2019, 09:52 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 15 2019, 11:45 PM) *
Giampaolo has to go. He's a complete amateur. I'm sure Parma, Sampdoria, Crotone or Palermo will soon be in need of a new coach.


Totally agreed.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 09:53 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 15 2019, 09:51 PM) *
Absolutely terrible match. We got the 3 points, but is that all that matters? If we play like this during the season then we're going to be fighting for relegation.

Rebic provided some energy and much-needed solutions. He could be an interesting aquisition. But, when we're playing this way..no player can save us. Giamp imo needs to GTFO. He start with this ideal that he has a system, and that he wants Milan to play good football. Then. he decided to change formations very quickly. He is also fucking up our talented youngters. He keeps saying that Paqueta needs to be less Brazilian. He doesn't play in the right position, and not in the right mind-set at least. One of our most interesting player, now just became much less attractive.

Also, Piatek is absolutely is absent. His touch lets him down each time, and we can't seem to get him into the right positions.

Biglia instead of Bennacer is a stupid decision. The guy was man of the match in our second serie A game. Why the hell use Biglia? (who IMO needs to leave sooner rather than later)

And, what's more frustrating is that we're not playing attractive football...if we're putting on good performances I wouldn't mind it.

At this point, I really wouldn't mind seeing Gattuso come back. He knows all the players really well, and can put in some good fighting spirit inside of them.

All I can think about now is how bad the game against Inter will be. And, how they made all the good decisions, and we made all the terrible ones.

Yep.

Conte and Sensi are like a knife through the heart.

Posted by: William405 Sep 15 2019, 09:54 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 15 2019, 11:47 PM) *
What made you think he's good?


I think everyone thought of him as this manager who made Empoli play beautiful football. At least this how he was sold to us..

Posted by: William405 Sep 15 2019, 09:54 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 15 2019, 11:48 PM) *
Wow I used to do that like 2-3 years ago. I completely forgot who this is done. Or has the option disappeared?


I remember well these threads that were done at the end of the season. They were super good. king.gif

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 15 2019, 09:54 PM) *
I think everyone thought of him as this manager who made Empoli play beautiful football. At least this how he was sold to us..

Samp weren't half bad either

But this is not Samp or Empoli

He didn't come here with a clean slate, there were already very big issues with this squad. And right now, all I'm seeing is him amplifying the problems that were already clear to see under Rino and he's making them all glaringly worse.

I feel like this season is going to be over before its even begun. Another year down the drain.

Posted by: William405 Sep 15 2019, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 15 2019, 11:49 PM) *
Allegri is without a team. We better get on that.

And this coming from a huge Allegri critic. But this is obviously not going to lead anywhere good. We need to cut our losses quick imo, before it's another season down the drain

Obviously this won't happen, a bit of wishful thinking on my part


I think Allegri would have been a good idea. He would've been a coach that could have at least taken us back to Champion's leauge places. But, why would Allegri want to have a step back in his career? He can land bigger jobs.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 15 2019, 10:00 PM

Allegri is full of questionable decisions and tends to make critical situation worse. But yes, Han, I was thinking the same. He would be a huge upgrade compared to that amateur we have right now. Who else is aviable? Anyone thinking of Ranieri?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 10:00 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 15 2019, 09:56 PM) *
I think Allegri would have been a good idea. He would've been a coach that could have at least taken us back to Champion's leauge places. But, why would Allegri want to have a step back in his career? He can land bigger jobs.

Where? No one came calling this summer

He's not a coach that is suited to big European clubs imo. He's too pragmatic and negative in his approach.

It's not like Real, Bayern or a big English club were chasing after him this summer and that is for a reason.

I think Allegri would take the job. He knows the club already and I think he's someone who would be more comfortable in the Italian setting

Plus he deployed a 4-2-3-1 at Juve and I think that's the best type of system we can field with the mish mash of players we have

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 10:01 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 15 2019, 10:00 PM) *
Allegri is full of questionable decisions and tends to make critical situation worse. But yes, Han, I was thinking the same. He would be a huge upgrade compared to that amateur we have right now. Who else is aviable? Anyone thinking of Ranieri?

Ew! No!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2019, 10:04 PM

And yes I agree about Allegri's faults. Please refer to my posts circa 2012 to understand how absolutely I detested this guy and his approach

But, he'll bring the results and for now that is what we need.

As for other coaches being available. The only other one I can think of is Mourinho.

Hear me out.

The only issue would be getting him to come on board. But he would definitely be someone that could whip these players into shape imo. He's still a top top manager. His issues at United were varied. But thinking back to how he got that team to second and to win the EL is nothing short of a miracle imo. He's still an excellent coach and man manager. The issue at United I feel is that players like Pogba never wanted to put in the effort which is required from any Mou team which split the dressing room between egos.

I don't think he'd have that issue back in Italy. If the players are on his side, they'll do anything for him. As was the case with his teams at Porto, Chelsea and Inter

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2019, 10:37 PM

Mourinho would be a pipe dream.

We started with Giampaolo and we'll continue with him at least till December. Wanting him sacked so early in the season is just wishful thinking.

But man, I hate this guy already. First of all, he had two months at disposal to deploy his ideas and tactics. But we're in mid-September and the team is playing some godawful football.

Secondly, he had a clear formation in mind, which he practised all summer only to change after the very first game in the league. Which, mind you, it was the right decision, but it really shows just how shaky his mindset is.

And then the player selection. This irks me the most. Hernandez returns from injury fully fit yet he plays the disastrous Rodriguez. Bennacer plays a great game vs Brescia yet he starts Biglia. Our most expensive signing of the summer has been warming the bench for three games straight. Krunic hasn't seen the pitch for a minute yet craptards like Hakan and Castillejo keep getting free passes. I seriously have no words.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2019, 10:38 PM

Oh, and as for Rebic, he was OK. Some great moments but also some WTF moments as well.

Posted by: Danny Sep 17 2019, 02:10 AM

"blah blah blah" *Allegri*


***raises nose****

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 17 2019, 01:01 PM

So, looks like Paqueta after the game agaionst Verona posted on Instagram a picture with comment "Proud to be brazilian" referring to Giampaolo's previous comments ("He needs to be less Brazilian") and, according to Tuttosport, the club might fine him.

WTF?! Now we're even creating problems out of nothing instead of valuing our most gifted player. Giampaolo has done only damage thus far.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 17 2019, 07:11 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 17 2019, 01:01 PM) *
So, looks like Paqueta after the game agaionst Verona posted on Instagram a picture with comment "Proud to be brazilian" referring to Giampaolo's previous comments ("He needs to be less Brazilian") and, according to Tuttosport, the club might fine him.

WTF?! Now we're even creating problems out of nothing instead of valuing our most gifted player. Giampaolo has done only damage thus far.

The comments from him were out of line imo. That's not something you talk to the media about. If Paqueta needs to make improvements, guide him accordingly, in private.

Not say something like that to the press...

Posted by: William405 Sep 17 2019, 07:18 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 17 2019, 09:11 PM) *
The comments from him were out of line imo. That's not something you talk to the media about. If Paqueta needs to make improvements, guide him accordingly, in private.

Not say something like that to the press...


he did it with Piatek also

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 17 2019, 09:00 PM

In view of the derby, Inter tied 1-1 vs Slavia at home. They were appalling, almost as bad as us against Verona. In fact, they were also poor against Cagliari and Udinese as well.

If we play with the right mindset, we can win.

Posted by: William405 Sep 17 2019, 09:55 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 17 2019, 11:00 PM) *
In view of the derby, Inter tied 1-1 vs Slavia at home. They were appalling, almost as bad as us against Verona. In fact, they were also poor against Cagliari and Udinese as well.

If we play with the right mindset, we can win.


Yes, I said this before. I won't buy into the Inter hype just yet. Almost everytime I've seen them play, they didn't look good. I'm sure Conte will be able to build them into a good team, but they are far from scudetto material in my opinion. So, yes, we could snatch a win if we play well this weekend. The problem is we're just as bad.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 17 2019, 10:17 PM

Naah, Conte is a smart coach and he'll be prepared with all the tricks in the world. Milan on the other hand will once again struggle doing even the simplest of attacks. It will be a nightmare.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 18 2019, 08:19 AM

It will be tough for Milan, inter are a well equipped team and their coach is hands down top three in Serie A.

Their last result in Europe should not dictate how good they are. But if Milan step on the field with grinta and the right mindset Milan could cause a shock.

For a Milan!

Posted by: Danny Sep 18 2019, 11:05 AM

Funny how the 'top two' (or so) coaches in Italy deeply struggled in England.

If you look at Inter's results, none of them are credible. They beat a bottom 3 team with help from a red card, a midtable team by way of a penalty and another bottom team by way of being a man up.

Then get held at home by a very ordinary Slavia side?

I'm not a fan of Conte - I think his star peaked at Juve and despite the title he won in England, the way it fell apart quickly afterwards shows he doesn't have the ability to keep the success going.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 18 2019, 11:30 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 18 2019, 11:05 AM) *
Funny how the 'top two' (or so) coaches in Italy deeply struggled in England.


Ancelotti and Conte? Well, they both won the league with Chelsea...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 19 2019, 08:41 AM

He meant Sarri but clearly forgot about Carletto wink.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 19 2019, 04:47 PM

Probable line for the derby (Gazzetta): Donnarumma; Conti, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Bennacer, Kessie, Calhanoglu; Paquetà; Suso, Piatek.

Sky has Rebic instead of Paquetà.

When will come the day when Rodriguez and Calhanoglu won't start games for us anymore...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 20 2019, 10:11 PM

Is Hernandez match-fit?

At least Biglia and Castillejo are out of the picture.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 01:42 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 20 2019, 10:11 PM) *
Is Hernandez match-fit?

At least Biglia and Castillejo are out of the picture.


Not so sure. Now Mediaset has Biglia starting.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 12:52 PM

Biglia starting over Bennacer is the real crime over anything else.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 01:29 PM

How it it possible that we're at the end of September and no-one of our new signings is starting games. Having guys like Rodriguez, Biglia and Calhanoglu still on the starting line-up is criminal.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 06:53 PM

OFFICIAL: Donnarumma; Conti, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Biglia, Kessie, Calhanoglu; Suso; Leao, Piatek.

Can't say I'm happy, but at least we get to see what Leao is capable of.

Posted by: William405 Sep 21 2019, 07:48 PM

You have to go with experience in these type of games. Agreed that Leao will be the surprise here.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 08:02 PM

We're so sh*t.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 08:05 PM

We can barely string 2 passes together

Biglia, Hakan and Suso are non-existent. Rodriguez is a disaster waiting to happen

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 08:07 PM

We're so slow. The complete concept of counter-attacking is lost on these players

Posted by: William405 Sep 21 2019, 08:15 PM

We’re doing better now.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 08:20 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 21 2019, 08:15 PM) *
We’re doing better now.

It's sill far from good

We've had 4 or 5 counter opportunities

Every time we slow tins down and allow Inter to get back. Suso is the biggest culprit in this along with Biglia

Posted by: William405 Sep 21 2019, 08:21 PM

This Leao kid is good.

Posted by: William405 Sep 21 2019, 08:22 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2019, 10:20 PM) *
It's sill far from good

We've had 4 or 5 counter opportunities

Every time we slow tins down and allow Inter to get back. Suso is the biggest culprit in this along with Biglia


Agreed. It bugs me, he’s just not good for this position. You can see he has the tendency to drift right(Suso)

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 08:24 PM

We're really lucky not to be losing right now

Posted by: William405 Sep 21 2019, 08:28 PM

**** why didn’t he pass!

Posted by: William405 Sep 21 2019, 08:28 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2019, 10:24 PM) *
We're really lucky not to be losing right now

Why so negative man! We had our chances and they theirs also.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 08:33 PM

At least Leao and Piatek look good together

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 08:34 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 21 2019, 08:28 PM) *
Why so negative man! We had our chances and they theirs also.

I know, but all we're doing is just so frustrating. So slow

Rodriguez, Suso and Biglia are making me pull my hair right now

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 08:38 PM

We started terribly but managed to get back on track in the last 15-20 minutes. Nothing to write home about but at least we weren't playing like a Serie D team.

I liked Suso, Conti and Leao, but Donnarumma so far has been a star with his saves.

If we had Paqueta, Bennacer and Hernandez starting instead of Hakan, Biglia and Rodriguez, I reckon we could play much better.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 08:59 PM

Goal for Inter. Deserved

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 08:59 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2019, 08:38 PM) *
We started terribly but managed to get back on track in the last 15-20 minutes. Nothing to write home about but at least we weren't playing like a Serie D team.

I liked Suso, Conti and Leao, but Donnarumma so far has been a star with his saves.

If we had Paqueta, Bennacer and Hernandez starting instead of Hakan, Biglia and Rodriguez, I reckon we could play much better.

Disagree about Suso. He's at the core of what is wrong with this team

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 09:01 PM

That was so obvious that Sensi was going to pass to Brozovic. And still no one went to close him down rolleyes.gif

There's really no way that we'll claw out of this now

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2019, 08:59 PM) *
Disagree about Suso. He's at the core of what is wrong with this team


Sorry bud I don't have a natural dislike for Suso like most of you do. He's been one of our most involved players. If you can't see that then I can't help you.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 21 2019, 09:26 PM

Our coach is a disaster

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 09:27 PM

Well, what to say. This team is absolutely clueless. Giampaolo is an absolute garbage of a coach. He understands nothing and I can't believe he was our first choice. We've truly become another Sampdoria.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 09:30 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2019, 09:24 PM) *
Sorry bud I don't have a natural dislike for Suso like most of you do. He's been one of our most involved players. If you can't see that then I can't help you.

I actually am not someone who dislikes Suso. He's a good player, but far from good enough

And he is our most involved player because we always look to play through him, and that's a major flaw in our game. He's slow, and I'm not talking about his sprinting ability. He's slow on the ball, slow to pass, holds on to possession too long. He ruins almost all our counters and attacks, and if you can't see this, then I can't help you either

Anyway, 2-0. This team is trash, if I could scrap the entire squad with the exception of 3 or 4 players, I would

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 09:32 PM

Biglia......... No words.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 09:33 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2019, 09:32 PM) *
Biglia......... No words.

Everyone... no words

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 09:33 PM

Hernandez has done more useful things in these 15 minutes then Rodriguez has done in his two years with us.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 21 2019, 09:34 PM

We need to start with all our new signings.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 09:35 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2019, 09:33 PM) *
Hernandez has done more useful things in these 15 minutes then Rodriguez has done in his two years with us.

Agreed there

He's direct, fast, always looks to move forward. If only he had started like he should have. Same thing with Biglia. He should not have started, and this is all on GP

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 09:36 PM

How long has it been now since we won against Inter?

I can't even remember it's been so long

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 09:37 PM

That first Inter goal was so predictable, in both the sense of how they played it and we should have read it and the freak amount of luck Inter have had so far this season with long shots

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Sep 21 2019, 09:34 PM) *
We need to start with all our new signings.

If GP starts Rodriguez, Biglia and Hakan again in the next game, then people should start calling for his head publicly

I'll actually add Suso to this list as well

Rebic, Leao, Paqueta, Bennacer and Theo are all quick direct players. we need to remove all the ball dwellers from the starting line up ASAP

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 09:41 PM

laugh.gif Candreva was actually going to score on us. That is peak mediocrity FFS!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 09:46 PM

https://imgbb.com/

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2019, 09:46 PM) *
https://imgbb.com/

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Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 09:52 PM

And to think I postponed watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood for this sh*t. Should have just gone to the cinema.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2019, 10:31 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2019, 09:52 PM) *
And to think I postponed watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood for this sh*t. Should have just gone to the cinema.

I'm afraid this is going to be our mantra throughout this season under GP...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 10:38 PM

https://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-le-pagelle-di-cm-sciagura-rodriguez-e-calhanoglu-piatek-si-33343

Strange that Rodriguez (4.5), Biglia (5) and Calhanoglu (4.5) have the lowest ratings. Very strange indeed...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2019, 10:45 PM

I also wanted to say that Piatek is a very, very, very mediocre striker. His usefulness outside the box is absolutely non-existent. His clumsiness with the ball is pathetic, like watching a toddler trying to kick the ball. If the team plays well he might score a goal or two, but not only does the team play like sh*t and he's almost invisible, but for a striker who's supposed to be carrying his team with +20 goals per season, that's just not good enough.

I say bench his @ss and play Leao as CF. It was his position after all at Lille.

Posted by: Danny Sep 22 2019, 01:16 AM

Piatek is a great striker, but he needs service - he's a classic striker, not a Ronaldo type. This is not a super striker who can do it alone. You don't score 19 in 21 for Genoa if you're mediocre. Or 21 in 36 in Poland.

No, Milan have just turned yet another great player into one who looks awful.

We're good at that.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 22 2019, 07:37 AM

Again, inter are a well equipped team and have an experienced coach. Milan started off with glimpses of hope however left gaps that inter exploited.

It is only the fourth round of Serie A, not the end of the world.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2019, 08:41 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2019, 10:38 PM) *
https://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-le-pagelle-di-cm-sciagura-rodriguez-e-calhanoglu-piatek-si-33343

Strange that Rodriguez (4.5), Biglia (5) and Calhanoglu (4.5) have the lowest ratings. Very strange indeed...

Gazzetta put Piatek as the failure of the match. While giving all of the above decent ratings...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2019, 08:43 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 22 2019, 01:16 AM) *
Piatek is a great striker, but he needs service - he's a classic striker, not a Ronaldo type. This is not a super striker who can do it alone. You don't score 19 in 21 for Genoa if you're mediocre. Or 21 in 36 in Poland.

No, Milan have just turned yet another great player into one who looks awful.

We're good at that.

This

It's no surprise that all the new players look good. I'm just worried what will happen after they spend a few months within the toxic environment at this club

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2019, 11:02 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 22 2019, 08:41 AM) *
Gazzetta put Piatek as the failure of the match. While giving all of the above decent ratings...


Are you implying that the above mentioned were decent?

Edit: It gave them 5 and 5,5 (Biglia). Those are hardly decent ratings, my friend.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2019, 11:10 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 22 2019, 01:16 AM) *
Piatek is a great striker, but he needs service - he's a classic striker, not a Ronaldo type. This is not a super striker who can do it alone. You don't score 19 in 21 for Genoa if you're mediocre. Or 21 in 36 in Poland.

No, Milan have just turned yet another great player into one who looks awful.

We're good at that.


I’m not a stats man, but it’s hard to argue with that. I mean, he did look good when he first joined us. Let’s just say that he’s turned into a bad player, and he can’t start anymore for us. Like 60% of the team.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 22 2019, 01:24 PM

Giampaolo is a total amateur and this is our main problem. I get you R7, it's early in the season - but this ain't the Carletto years. We're a very limited team and if a coach does not grasp what that means and what his players can achieve and what not soon we'll have to act like Sampdoria or Empoli and make a early sack.

I don't know where to begin with this mess Giampaolo created. First he waits for a month to "integrate" the new players while stubbornly playing players who either proved they're not first team options (Rodriguez - hell this is why we splashed big money on a young leftback) or are rusty and rendered useless during last season (Biglia). Then the derby comes and all of a sudden he decides to drop his boy Castillejo (another useless player who's every start is a big WTF moment) and put the Leao kid right into the flames of a very mature Inter defense. Afterwards he does the same with Hernandez. A baptism of fire no doubt.

His tactical plan makes Milan play slow, predictable and toothless football. And the moment we concede we start breaking into shambles - Suso once again drifts away to his soft spot, the midfield looses composure, etc.

This being said, Giampaolo has to go as soon as possible. I'm thinking of bringing Gattuso back but that would be only if the more experienced coaches are all unwilling to come to us.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2019, 02:08 PM

I really don't get his infatuation with players like Rodriguez, Biglia, Calhanoglu, Castillejo etc. I mean, these are players that have proven in the last two years that they are very, very bad. So, why choose them over players we signed this summer exactly because we need to strengthen our squad. It's like he's literally saying "F*ck you!" to both Boban and Maldini.

I swear, if by the next match we don't see the various Hernandez, Bennacer, Paqueta, Rebic and Leao starting, I'm going to be extremely pissed.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 22 2019, 04:50 PM

Why are you guys so patient? How can't you see what's going on right now? Wait until the next game to be pissed? It's obvious that Giampaolo hasn't got a clue. This is what a coach would do at Sampdoria - establish a pecking order by starting with the most experienced and astute players. Then slowly integrating new elements while shifting constantly players to make the effective shock/unexpected move. It's so transparent and old as football.

Also, on some side notes:
1) Have you mentioned the ridiculous switch Biglia made with his shirt number? Perhaps he wouldn't want to get associated with the #21 and Pirlo's legacy, so he switched to the more pressure free #20. Or how else can we explain this shift?

2) You guys seem to rate Conti's effort yesterday, yes? Personally I think he was very bad, both defensively and offensively.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2019, 05:21 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2019, 11:02 AM) *
Are you implying that the above mentioned were decent?

Edit: It gave them 5 and 5,5 (Biglia). Those are hardly decent ratings, my friend.

No, my point was that I think all 3 were much worse than Piatek and were the major cause for his failure


QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2019, 11:10 AM) *
I’m not a stats man, but it’s hard to argue with that. I mean, he did look good when he first joined us. Let’s just say that he’s turned into a bad player, and he can’t start anymore for us. Like 60% of the team.

This is what I mean about being worried about the new players.

Paqueta and Piatek already seem to be suffering from this. These players are getting dragged into the pits with the rest. When Paqueta and Piatek came in last season they both looked fresh and full of spark. Now they're both lackluster imo.

Piatek scored a lot while at Genoa, that's not due to simple luck. And his service at Genoa wasn't stellar either. But when the entire team is a just a static lump, any striker would struggle

This is what I mean by saying we need to play more direct players.

Suso, Hakan, Biglia and Rodriguez all hold on to the ball too long. You might not want to see it, but right now, Suso is one of the festering issues at the core of this team.

We have fast, direct players on the squad, unlike last season, we can try to switch out Suso and see how things go. We have nothing to lose and it simply cannot get any worse than things currently are

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 22 2019, 01:24 PM) *
Giampaolo is a total amateur and this is our main problem. I get you R7, it's early in the season - but this ain't the Carletto years. We're a very limited team and if a coach does not grasp what that means and what his players can achieve and what not soon we'll have to act like Sampdoria or Empoli and make a early sack.

I don't know where to begin with this mess Giampaolo created. First he waits for a month to "integrate" the new players while stubbornly playing players who either proved they're not first team options (Rodriguez - hell this is why we splashed big money on a young leftback) or are rusty and rendered useless during last season (Biglia). Then the derby comes and all of a sudden he decides to drop his boy Castillejo (another useless player who's every start is a big WTF moment) and put the Leao kid right into the flames of a very mature Inter defense. Afterwards he does the same with Hernandez. A baptism of fire no doubt.

His tactical plan makes Milan play slow, predictable and toothless football. And the moment we concede we start breaking into shambles - Suso once again drifts away to his soft spot, the midfield looses composure, etc.

This being said, Giampaolo has to go as soon as possible. I'm thinking of bringing Gattuso back but that would be only if the more experienced coaches are all unwilling to come to us.

Agreed completely.

I'm actually even more p!ssed off than previous season, because we were promised that if nothing else, we would get to see good football this season, but this has been the worst I've seen this team play in years. Probably since Allegri's last season and Montella's last few months was the football comparable to what we're seeing now

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2019, 02:08 PM) *
I really don't get his infatuation with players like Rodriguez, Biglia, Calhanoglu, Castillejo etc. I mean, these are players that have proven in the last two years that they are very, very bad. So, why choose them over players we signed this summer exactly because we need to strengthen our squad. It's like he's literally saying "F*ck you!" to both Boban and Maldini.

I swear, if by the next match we don't see the various Hernandez, Bennacer, Paqueta, Rebic and Leao starting, I'm going to be extremely pissed.

Aren't you already??

Honestly, I'm personally already right out of patience. I can't see GP being able to dig us out of this. He seems lik a stubborn bullheaded guy that can't see his own flaws.

Also, the guy seems like he's incredibly uncharismatic to me, even in his interviews, he's just such a blah person. Which is exactly what this bunch needs, more lethargy. At least Rino could light a fire under them if nothing else

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 22 2019, 04:50 PM) *
Why are you guys so patient? How can't you see what's going on right now? Wait until the next game to be pissed? It's obvious that Giampaolo hasn't got a clue. This is what a coach would do at Sampdoria - establish a pecking order by starting with the most experienced and astute players. Then slowly integrating new elements while shifting constantly players to make the effective shock/unexpected move. It's so transparent and old as football.

Also, on some side notes:
1) Have you mentioned the ridiculous switch Biglia made with his shirt number? Perhaps he wouldn't want to get associated with the #21 and Pirlo's legacy, so he switched to the more pressure free #20. Or how else can we explain this shift?

2) You guys seem to rate Conti's effort yesterday, yes? Personally I think he was very bad, both defensively and offensively.

Agreed.

Who knows the reason for Biglia's switch, could be anything.

As for Conti, he had a few decent moments, but overall, I don't see him taking Calabria's spot, even while Calabria is not currently in the best form, he's still a much more reliable option, especially in defense.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 22 2019, 06:57 PM

Man, Piatek was voted as flop because the Italian media are insisting on strikers being the alpha and omega of every team like it's the 90's. That being said, Piatek is doing very badly and I think should be dropped for a while in favor of Leao. Also, I'd really like to see how Giampaolo's antiquated system works without Suso.

I think our biggest mistake in the mercato, bar not signing a intelligent player like Correa and a proper substitute for Bakayoko (or at least try bring back Baka), is not selling Suso.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2019, 07:35 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 22 2019, 06:57 PM) *
Man, Piatek was voted as flop because the Italian media are insisting on strikers being the alpha and omega of every team like it's the 90's. That being said, Piatek is doing very badly and I think should be dropped for a while in favor of Leao. Also, I'd really like to see how Giampaolo's antiquated system works without Suso.

I think our biggest mistake in the mercato, bar not signing a intelligent player like Correa and a proper substitute for Bakayoko (or at least try bring back Baka), is not selling Suso.

Agreed, I'd actually say that we should have tried to use Suso to bring in Depay since Lyon were interested in him

X-off, made a good point yesterday. That Suso is always involved. But the reason for that is that we try to go through him in every buildup. And in that lies the problem. Suso is just not good enough to base an entire system around, he's too limited and one dimensional.

I actually think that if we were to drop him we'd be a much quicker team

As for Piatek, I agree, it's not that I think he's been any good, but I can sympathize with his struggles. We're so static and slow, we rarely provide a decent final ball and that has got to effect him negatively, even more so since he's not the most mobile of strikers

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2019, 11:38 PM

I honestly don't think playing with or without Suso will change much. If the team as a whole is out of ideas, one man cannot make a difference, for the better or worse.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2019, 11:40 PM

And as for Biglia's number change, I just think that's his favourite number, since he also wore it at Lazio. And last year Abate had it, so he went for 21.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 23 2019, 06:17 AM

I understand frustration and disappointment. But in all fairness its easy to judge the team or coach from weekend to the next, while the whole week of training we are in the dark.

The team that goes on the pitch is one that went through training and proved capable (amongst the others) to start.

Maybe as spectators we desire a certain method or player or tactic etc, however and barring hindsight the one that was applied during the game is the one the team was most effective in.

P. S. It's too early in the season to start downgrading players/coach. If anything I'd shoulder the blame on the novice directors rather than the coach or team.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 23 2019, 03:41 PM

Well, I disagree. You know that I was always on your side of this and I understand that a coach evaluates the situation day by day. But on the other hand, we are fans and we follow the club and players also day by day and season by season. Some things that might surprise Giampaolo are known facts to us.

That being said, I don't trust Giampaolo one bit. I think his judgement is completely wrong and his approach leaves much to be desired. X-O made a good point: with Ringo you always had a blunt and sincere guy who was a troop leader. He understood the players and their mindset and mostly related with them. Giampaolo on the other hand seems to have a different approach - and it's obviously failing. And the fact that he's creating problems on his own only adds fuel to a fire. For me it's a simple decision - nothing in Giampaolo's career indicates he's worth waiting for or the patient. We tried, and failed. Let's move on.

We're tired of losing year after year. Time is running out a we gotta try move faster or Milan will be reduced to mere history and no real future.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 23 2019, 04:29 PM

Paquetà injured, not available for Torino on Thursday.

-____-

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 23 2019, 04:47 PM

Yes we are fans, but we are not privy to the teams training sessions. So we pass judgment on the games we see.

But let's be fair here, you can hate Giampaolo, Piantek, Suso and Donna that's your preference and your liking and your taste... However saying the coach is not up to par because he didn't play Biglia or Cala or Leo, that is subject to their condition in training. That is all I am saying here:)

Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2019, 06:58 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2019, 11:38 PM) *
I honestly don't think playing with or without Suso will change much. If the team as a whole is out of ideas, one man cannot make a difference, for the better or worse.

I disagree, Suso has the capability to change the match by himself, he has moments of brilliance, that's why I've always liked him, but he has massive limitations that's making me really see that he is not our way forward

He's slow and slows down the play too much.

I think having two direct and quick players on the wings will definitely make a huge difference.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 23 2019, 06:17 AM) *
I understand frustration and disappointment. But in all fairness its easy to judge the team or coach from weekend to the next, while the whole week of training we are in the dark.

The team that goes on the pitch is one that went through training and proved capable (amongst the others) to start.

Maybe as spectators we desire a certain method or player or tactic etc, however and barring hindsight the one that was applied during the game is the one the team was most effective in.

P. S. It's too early in the season to start downgrading players/coach. If anything I'd shoulder the blame on the novice directors rather than the coach or team.

I disagree completely there

This is not about how players are doing in training, this is clearly a coach that is afraid, so he's going by the old crutches. But the problem is that we all know these old crutches much better than him. The same players that lead us through one disappointing season after another are surely not going to produce something magical now.

Bennacer was MotM against Brescia. Why has he dropped him for the laboring Biglia? A player who has never really got into gear for us and hinders us greatly thanks to his over deliberation on the ball and sideways passing.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 23 2019, 03:41 PM) *
Well, I disagree. You know that I was always on your side of this and I understand that a coach evaluates the situation day by day. But on the other hand, we are fans and we follow the club and players also day by day and season by season. Some things that might surprise Giampaolo are known facts to us.

That being said, I don't trust Giampaolo one bit. I think his judgement is completely wrong and his approach leaves much to be desired. X-O made a good point: with Ringo you always had a blunt and sincere guy who was a troop leader. He understood the players and their mindset and mostly related with them. Giampaolo on the other hand seems to have a different approach - and it's obviously failing. And the fact that he's creating problems on his own only adds fuel to a fire. For me it's a simple decision - nothing in Giampaolo's career indicates he's worth waiting for or the patient. We tried, and failed. Let's move on.

We're tired of losing year after year. Time is running out a we gotta try move faster or Milan will be reduced to mere history and no real future.

Agreed

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 23 2019, 04:29 PM) *
Paquetà injured, not available for Torino on Thursday.

-____-

Hakan or Bona can play that position. That doesn't worry me. Paqueta hasn't been good under GP anyway. What interests me is what he'll do with Rodriguez, Biglia and Suso

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 25 2019, 07:16 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 25 2019, 06:58 PM) *
I disagree, Suso has the capability to change the match by himself, he has moments of brilliance, that's why I've always liked him, but he has massive limitations that's making me really see that he is not our way forward

He's slow and slows down the play too much.

I think having two direct and quick players on the wings will definitely make a huge difference.


I completely disagree. In this team of average players, Suso is by far our most talented player, and the only one who can make a difference on his own.

If he has limitations, then what does that tell us about the rest of the team? You think playing Leao and Rebic on the flanks and leave Suso on the bench will improve matters? You're very wrong, my friend.

Suso is not part of the problem, but the mediocrity that surrounds him is. Starting from the coach.

Posted by: Danny Sep 25 2019, 11:31 PM

Know what's the most comical and bitter part of all this for me personally? I still couldn't tell you our manager's name.

He's an irrelevance, a terrible appointment and out of his depth.

I called that the day he was announced, and I'm sorry but I don't back him.

I can't support a manager who is this clueless.

Equally though I can't support those who appointed him.

I only support those who do the right things for the club - and few are right now.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 26 2019, 06:33 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 26 2019, 02:31 AM) *
Equally though I can't support those who appointed him.

I only support those who do the right things for the club - and few are right now.


This sums it up for me. The directors are the ones to blame, after all this was orchestrated by them.

Posted by: Danny Sep 26 2019, 03:34 PM

Off the top of my head - Giampaolo Sampolo.

Is that his name? I'm going to check.

Marco Giampaolo.

Ok I wasn't totally wrong. Ish.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2019, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 26 2019, 03:34 PM) *
Off the top of my head - Giampaolo Sampolo.

Is that his name? I'm going to check.

Marco Giampaolo.

Ok I wasn't totally wrong. Ish.


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Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2019, 09:38 PM

We are utter garbage.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2019, 09:51 PM

We should just pack up and go home at this point. Giampaolo is absolutely clueless. He bring on Rebic for Bennacer when switching to a 4-2-4 instead of taking Hakan. Who was the main culprit for that first goal...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2019, 10:00 PM

Another season down the drain. And the hard(er) part yet to come.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2019, 10:02 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 26 2019, 10:00 PM) *
Another season down the drain. And the hard(er) part yet to come.

Yep

We seemingly cannot score from open play as well which is the most worrying sign. Piatek seems to have lost all the spark he had last season

I think if we lose the next 2, GP is on the chopping block

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