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Posted by: Portikins Apr 11 2007, 10:23 PM

Posted by: KillerMax Apr 11 2007, 10:27 PM

We are out of the CL. There is no HOPE!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 11 2007, 10:28 PM

We are out of the CL. There is no HOPE!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 11 2007, 10:48 PM

We are out of the CL. There is no HOPE!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 11 2007, 11:18 PM

Well I know u guys are being sarcastic, but I hope we'll have something to play for in the second leg.

These guys can kill with their pace, and we haven't exactly been the best at handling pace, now have we?

I think Man U will win 2-1 in the first leg and draw in the second to go through; We should just be happy our team has played to the maximum potential so far.

I have two hopes that may redeem us.

1. Man U are in an iffier position than us in their domestic league and might be stretched. Not quite the same thing with us, since we essentially have one world class striker who's exclusive Serie A, and well our team is finally full strength. Praying like mad though, that something along the lines of what happened to Sagnol happens to CrisRon...though on hind sight that is cheap of me.

2.They don't have any player who can bottle down Kaka in the mid-field. We should definitely play with two strikers and Kaka behind.

Posted by: dst Apr 12 2007, 12:21 AM

2.They don't have any player who can bottle down Kaka in the mid-field.  We should definitely play with two strikers and Kaka behind.

Posted by: Warchant Apr 12 2007, 01:50 AM

this game will prove one of two things

1) milan are back
2) man u is legit

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 12 2007, 02:11 AM

Yeah .. We were lucky against Bayern 

I just hope Man U don't kill us the way the did with Roma

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 12 2007, 02:37 AM

ohhhhh, still 2 weeks away i don't wanna think about this match

this first leg will be crucial, we have to keep a clean sheet or even get an away goal, so our defence needs to be in the best form it can be, with no injuries.
it will be a very difficult match

Posted by: sansiro1708 Apr 12 2007, 04:17 AM

DA FACK is wrong with u guys i cant believe u dont trust ur team
U NO WAT WE GONNA KICK SOME *** IN OLD TRAFFORD with solid defence and maybe a goal and SAN SIRO IS GOING TO BE OURS!!!!!!!!

WHO WANTS TO BET WITH ME man u IS NOT GOING TO SCORE NOT EVEN A single GOAL?

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 12 2007, 04:22 AM

DA FACK is wrong with u guys    i cant believe u dont trust ur team 
U NO WAT WE GONNA KICK SOME *** IN OLD TRAFFORD with solid defence and maybe a goal  and SAN SIRO IS GOING TO BE OURS!!!!!!!!

WHO WANTS TO BET WITH ME man u IS NOT GOING TO SCORE NOT EVEN A single GOAL?

Posted by: Warchant Apr 12 2007, 05:30 AM

DA FACK is wrong with u guys    i cant believe u dont trust ur team 
U NO WAT WE GONNA KICK SOME *** IN OLD TRAFFORD with solid defence and maybe a goal  and SAN SIRO IS GOING TO BE OURS!!!!!!!!

WHO WANTS TO BET WITH ME man u IS NOT GOING TO SCORE NOT EVEN A single GOAL?

Posted by: sansiro1708 Apr 12 2007, 05:49 AM

no one is saying we don't trust our team

but man u did just win 7-1 against Roma (who beat us) at Old Trafford. Man U is a good team...at this stage of the competition you get the best of the best...and when that happens anything is possible.

if we play like we played tonight we will advance to the final...if we play like we did against Celtic, we will lose

Posted by: fresh_prince7 Apr 12 2007, 09:54 AM

Well lets just savor the wonderful effort from the boys this morning. Like carlo said the only thing we did wrong was not making most of out counter attacks.

I think we have to stick with the lone striker, since playing two would combine superpippo with gila again.

Yes man u are the team to beat, definitely the most in form team in europe. There pace could cause us a few problems. Especially that portugese bloke, he's not too shabby from what I've seen.

Between him giggs, scholes, carrick and rooney were definitely going to have to be on our heels in defence. Oddo really concerns me still, I really don't rate him defensively. I'd rather be slightly more defensive and play bonera at right back.

Then again they have to cope with kaka' running at them, who someone rightly pointed out haven't got a true tagger to shut him down.

Posted by: MizNelson Apr 12 2007, 10:26 AM

There's no way in hell ManU would defeat Roma again by such an obscene margin if both teams met again.

Posted by: dst Apr 12 2007, 11:37 AM

Oddo really concerns me still, I really don't rate him defensively.

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 12 2007, 01:24 PM

didnt Oddo block a goal that didnt couldnt block??? I thought it was over !!! Thanks Oddo!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 12 2007, 01:56 PM

There's no way in hell ManU would defeat Roma again by such an obscene margin if both teams met again.

Posted by: dst Apr 12 2007, 02:14 PM

didnt Oddo block a goal that didnt couldnt block??? I thought it was over !!! Thanks Oddo!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 12 2007, 02:24 PM

Posted by: LaPalma Apr 12 2007, 03:58 PM

In defence, he was amazing last night! And in any case, he can't even be compared with Bonera at RB...

Posted by: han2503 Apr 12 2007, 04:22 PM

First point of action carlo should take for this one is to neutralise Man U on the wings, if we do that then we could be on our way to Athens.

Imo this will call for us to play a 4-4-1-1, Putting both pirlo and Seedorf in the middle with Rino and Ambro on the flanks. This way when Ronaldo or giggs get the ball we double team them and play through the middle.

Especially in Old Trafford we should really use this one.

Anyway, I have faith in Carlo to do the right thing.

Posted by: Portikins Apr 12 2007, 06:17 PM

I really don't know how we're gonna deal with the cvnts pace. That's the big question for me.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 12 2007, 06:36 PM

I really don't know how we're gonna deal with the cvnts pace. That's the big question for me.

Posted by: dst Apr 12 2007, 06:56 PM

It's true that Roma made CR look better than he really is as Spalletti was the victim of the absurdity that Corriere, Messaggero and the whole "Gran Raccordo Annulare journalism" creates in Rome... those guys are funny! How could he have stopped CR when he was only playing with half a DMF!??

But that doesn't mean he isn't a great player. He's arguably United's best and he's going to be the main threat when we face them. Rooney, I don't worry about him... Nesta will easily "erase" him!

Vidic has been great! And to think everyone was laughing at Ferguson for choosing him to be Ferdinand's partner...

Posted by: Portikins Apr 12 2007, 07:02 PM

Vidic has been great! And to think everyone was laughing at Ferguson for choosing him to be Ferdinand's partner...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 12 2007, 07:12 PM

Yep, that's what really scares me, that's why I would play the 4-4-1-1, so our fullbacks and defensive mids can double up on him and Giggs everytime he gets anywhere near the ball. But imo Roma made him look like a god, everytime he got the ball they where backing off of him for some unknown reason instead of pressing him.

Also the fact that they don't employ pure defensive mids mught help, Scholes and Carrick both help out in that aspect but none of them can mark Kaka and Pirlo + Seedorf if he has a good game, so I think he will have a lot more influence then he did against Bayern where he was mostly acting like a seconda punta trying to drag markers away from Pippo and everytime he got the ball, Lucio, Van Bommel and Hargreaves where all on him.

I'm sure he will be much more free against man u

And also I think Vidic will still be missing for this one whoich is a good thing since imo, he has been the best defender in the premiership this season

Posted by: misha Apr 12 2007, 07:42 PM

I agree .. We should play the 4-4-1-1 .. It can absorb the oppositions pressure and help with a quick counter attack. Plus, it makes the team solid and harder to break at any counter attack.

Roma were caught in despair, their team as a whole isn't as experienced as Man U's in knock out rounds, expecially one that corresponds to the CL quarter finals. Roma could have beaten United, but their coach also wasn't as experienced as SAF.

Milan on the other hand, thrive in this competition. If there is a team to beat it ahs to be United, but considering how fresh our key players are. I think we have an advantage, plus if they think they can beat us 7 or 10 nil, that would add to a catalyst that could end up having them loose both  the CL and EPL. As they are under pressure now from Chelsea in the league. SAF wont rest his players, he has a numbered starting 11, his players are the same from defence to the attack, he can't afford to rotate, especially with Chelsea on their trail. In the mean time, Milan has just to secure 4th place, anything extra would just be a bonus. Plus, Milan has a squad of vast experience and it is in the closing stages of both the championship and CL that prevails. Milan also has a second line of defence (i.e. Bonera, Kakha, Simic, Sergio, Cafu..) that are very effective and on form, our midfield is very rigid with many choices in experience and quality, and our attack, well we have a striker exclusively for Serie A and we have one exclusively for CL.

Man U wont stand a chance .. They will be humiliated in the San Siro (u can quote me on this) .. That is how I really see it. I just like hearing their fans go on and on about them humiliating Roma and what not, but I think they don't stand a chance against Milan.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 12 2007, 07:46 PM

It's true that Roma made CR look better than he really is as Spalletti was the victim of the absurdity that Corriere, Messaggero and the whole "Gran Raccordo Annulare journalism" creates in Rome... those guys are funny! How could he have stopped CR when he was only playing with half a DMF!?? 

But that doesn't mean he isn't a great player. He's arguably United's best and he's going to be the main threat when we face them. Rooney, I don't worry about him... Nesta will easily "erase" him!

Vidic has been great! And to think everyone was laughing at Ferguson for choosing him to be Ferdinand's partner...

He's injuried. Probably won't play the 1st leg.

I agree .. We should play the 4-4-1-1 .. It can absorb the oppositions pressure and help with a quick counter attack. Plus, it makes the team solid and harder to break at any counter attack.

Roma were caught in despair, their team as a whole isn't as experienced as Man U's in knock out rounds, expecially one that corresponds to the CL quarter finals. Roma could have beaten United, but their coach also wasn't as experienced as SAF.

Milan on the other hand, thrive in this competition. If there is a team to beat it ahs to be United, but considering how fresh our key players are. I think we have an advantage, plus if they think they can beat us 7 or 10 nil, that would add to a catalyst that could end up having them loose both  the CL and EPL. As they are under pressure now from Chelsea in the league. SAF wont rest his players, he has a numbered starting 11, his players are the same from defence to the attack, he can't afford to rotate, especially with Chelsea on their trail. In the mean time, Milan has just to secure 4th place, anything extra would just be a bonus. Plus, Milan has a squad of vast experience and it is in the closing stages of both the championship and CL that prevails. Milan also has a second line of defence (i.e. Bonera, Kakha, Simic, Sergio, Cafu..) that are very effective and on form, our midfield is very rigid with many choices in experience and quality, and our attack, well we have a striker exclusively for Serie A and we have one exclusively for CL.

Man U wont stand a chance .. They will be humiliated in the San Siro (u can quote me on this) .. That is how I really see it. I just like hearing their fans go on and on about them humiliating Roma and what not, but I think they don't stand a chance against Milan.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 12 2007, 08:08 PM

I remain optimistic about our chances in the tie, but I think United are the favourite to go through which imo will suite our squad well.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 12 2007, 08:45 PM

And because they are favorites, as were Bayern, our 4-4-1-1 was very VERY important to our triumph in Munich, I believe it will be so against United too.

Above all this, I think Carlo has has the upper hand on SAF before, plus, with United on form, Milan will want to do better against them to show their worth. I am not as optimistic as I am making it sound, but the fact that we have nothing to loose, as opposed to them, the team is 100% concentrated on the CL and nothing but the CL

Giving in, was what I did ahead of our clash with Bayern. but little did I know that this team plays it's best football against big clubs, such as United. *shame on me, for letting in*

I have a great deal of respect for SAF, but when a line has to be drawn, Ancelotti has been consistent in bringing in results both in Europe and in the championship, and it is in the final run that Milan show their true colors. Which is why all this that I am typing isn't just a bunch of feelings mashed with logic, but pure instinct that United wont come into the match as hungry as our Milan will.

If u look at it for a tactical aspect; Milan has been testing all season long different formations and testing players in different positions. Which is opposed to what tactic SAF has been doing all season long. Milan has two sound formations which the team adapt to very intelligently, the 4-4-1-1, 4-3-2-1 and the 4-3-1-2 ... All of which, Milan has perfected in the closing stages of this season.

If you want to look at it from a technical aspect, well Serie A is much more technical than EPL.

If you want to compare players, then Seedorf is much more effective as a team player than CR. Our defence is no match for their attack and Super Pippo Inzaghi brought the Devil to the Allienz while he wasnt even 100% fit

Plus, playing at Old Trafford, where they humilated Roma is an extra incentive for us to make due, and show them how Italian Football kicks @ss !! Plus, revenge for Roma

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 12 2007, 08:54 PM

And I do agree with your points. But all I'm saying is that everytime we get cocky about something and are sure of a win we end up being dissappointed.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 12 2007, 09:04 PM

Hehe ... U like lying to urself don't you.. you .. you ...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 12 2007, 09:06 PM

Don't you think that has been the story of our season so far?

Posted by: IoRDanCHo Apr 12 2007, 09:21 PM

If we manage to neutralize Ancheloti we are in Athens!

Posted by: dst Apr 12 2007, 09:48 PM

If we manage to neutralize Ancheloti we are in Athens!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 12 2007, 09:49 PM

If we manage to neutralize Ancheloti we are in Athens!

Posted by: IoRDanCHo Apr 12 2007, 09:50 PM

Carlo is the one that got us where we are so we shouldn't be hard on him

Posted by: han2503 Apr 12 2007, 09:55 PM

Carlo is and always be an idiot for me 

Posted by: cjb198 Apr 13 2007, 10:36 AM

this is my first contribution to the forum - so I hope i'm posting in the right place...

I have looked everywhere for details on getting tickets to sit in the away end at old trafford to see milan.

anyone have any ideas where you get tickets such as these!?

p.s. my name is carlo. i'm only an idiot some of the time...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 13 2007, 11:10 AM

this is my first contribution to the forum - so I hope i'm posting in the right place...

I have looked everywhere for details on getting tickets to sit in the away end at old trafford to see milan.

anyone have any ideas where you get tickets such as these!?

p.s. my name is carlo. i'm only an idiot some of the time...

Posted by: han2503 Apr 13 2007, 01:30 PM

Carlo I think you can find more info on the official site about this

Posted by: tom_valtellina Apr 13 2007, 01:59 PM

I think the key to this one will be to control the tempo of the game. Man United like to play at a very fast pace which suits their wingers, whereas Milan's style of short passing and possession is better suited to a more controlled tempo. I think the 4-4-1-1 that Han suggested is the best way for us to impose our tempo on the game.

A narrow loss with an away goal would be a good result. A score draw would be a great result.

Posted by: redbabies Apr 13 2007, 07:40 PM

they are weaker in defence than they used to be when they had Vidic and Neville.
Well, Vidic is out for a season, but Nevile may come back against us.

but, all in all I still think that we are stronger than them in midfield.

moreover, Van der Sar is out of form in last couple of matches.

Posted by: mishie Apr 13 2007, 07:51 PM

As usual in england things get all out of proportion after 1 performance!!
I firmly believe we can beat Manure, yes they played well against Roma but god Roma were awful and don't forget manure were coming off 2 straight defeats so there form wasn't all that great. Ronaldo wasn't that great the last time we played them, rooney 1 goal in 18months of C.L football to me the midfield is the key and i can't believe that Carlo will allow manure as much space as Roma did. Compress the midfield which in turns limits the space in which ronaldo can use his pace and that's alot of his threat away and are passing will destroy them! i predict a draw at old trafford and a 2 goal victory at the San Siro

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 13 2007, 07:55 PM

As usual in england things get all out of proportion after 1 performance!!
I firmly believe we can beat Manure, yes they played well against Roma but god Roma were awful and don't forget manure were coming off 2 straight defeats so there form wasn't all that great. Ronaldo wasn't that great the last time we played them, rooney 1 goal in 18months of C.L football to me the midfield is the key and i can't believe that Carlo will allow manure as much space as Roma did. Compress the midfield which in turns limits the space in which ronaldo can use his pace and that's alot of his threat away and are passing will destroy them! i predict a draw at old trafford and a 2 goal victory at the San Siro  

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Apr 13 2007, 09:00 PM

Ronaldo wasn't that great the last time we played them

Posted by: javierk128 Apr 13 2007, 10:31 PM

we should play the same way we did it against bayern, with the christmas tree formation, we should be able to control ronaldo, the same way we did with van bommel and salihamidb!tch, and for rooney, we have nesta , just be confident, milan will be in the final again

Posted by: han2503 Apr 13 2007, 11:00 PM

we should play the same way we did it against bayern, with the christmas tree formation, we should be able to control ronaldo, the same way we did with van bommel and salihamidb!tch, and for rooney, we have nesta , just be confident, milan will be in the final again     

Posted by: dst Apr 14 2007, 03:05 AM

Pippo can make Ferdinand make a couple of goofs also.

Posted by: KillerMax Apr 14 2007, 04:14 AM

OK now please.. Pippo is useless. He scored against Bayern but he was off side and it was so easy Christian Maldini would have netted it! 

Every other time he touched the ball he always lost it!

Bayern's defence was crappy, neither Van Buyten nor Lucio were where they were supposed to be (not only in Pippo's goal but in many other occasions too)...

No more Pippo please. Ferdinand is going to kill him!! I mean it, he'll be taken to hospital only with a touch from Rio...

Posted by: tom_valtellina Apr 14 2007, 06:02 AM

The second goal was classic Pippo. How do you give a guy like him a rating for the match he played on Wednesday night? He was caught offside on two or three occassions and his touch was slightly off. And then BANG, a chance presents itself and he finishes it beautifully. He may not always look in the game but you can be sure that when he has a sharp chance to score he will almost always take it.

The guy is so clever with his positioning and the way he basically lives on the shoulder of the last defender. He'll get called offside a few times every match but he'll also create a goal with the clever positions he takes up. A perfect example is his goal on Wednesday where he snuck behind Van Buyten and stayed in line with the last defender (well, almost anyway). He doesn't have the range of movement and bring other players into the game like Gilardino does but he is very cunning.

It was great to see his reaction after he scored the goal. I have missed seeing Inzaghi show that type of passion. I was so happy that he proved he is much more than a diver or goal poacher, as Hitzfeld had implied he was in the build up to the match. Underestimate Inzaghi at your peril!

Pippo Inzaghi, segna per noi!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2007, 09:51 AM

OK now please.. Pippo is useless. He scored against Bayern but he was off side and it was so easy Christian Maldini would have netted it! 

Every other time he touched the ball he always lost it!

Bayern's defence was crappy, neither Van Buyten nor Lucio were where they were supposed to be (not only in Pippo's goal but in many other occasions too)...

No more Pippo please. Ferdinand is going to kill him!! I mean it, he'll be taken to hospital only with a touch from Rio...

You speak as if you don't know anything about super Pippo. There is a very good chance Gila would have missed that kind of chance... This is what Pippo is all about... He scores. He was probably 50% when he played against Bayern... I don't blame him one bit for the way he played. This season might not be his best, but always remember, if it wasn't for him, we wouldn't be playing in the CL right now. He scored when it mattered and he will continue to do so... Forza Pippo! Forza Milan!

Posted by: dst Apr 14 2007, 12:50 PM

You make Ferdinand sound like he's Nesta 

He's not that good and prone to making idiotic mistakes at times, I've probably watched every Man U game this season and he does make 1 mistake per 2 matches. Some are subtle ones that he recovers from, some are big ones.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2007, 01:53 PM

I meant to make Pippo sound like he's in a bad condition...

edit:    You know I would never do that!! 

I haven't watched more than 5 or 6 game of United this season but from what I've seen Ferdinand does not make mistakes like the one Van Buyten did in Pippo's goal. I've seen him make bad tackles and semi-good clearances but tactically he didn't make a single mistake. But this is only from 5 games...

Van Buyten made a clear tactical mistake by leaving his position. In that occasion (40m from goal, where a shot by Seedorf would be just too ambitious) a defender is not supposed to rush to the ball and destroy the defence line especially when he's marking a player.

Anyway... this is not about Rio. It's about Pippo. I exaggerated when I said he's useless, he is always a threat. But how many offside goals is he going to score? If he plays I WISH he proves me wrong! I'd be happy if he did... and I will be supporting him to!! 

Posted by: fresh_prince7 Apr 14 2007, 08:15 PM

Yet amid the celebrations of an eighth final appearance under Ferguson, and the prospect of a mouth-watering clash with Chelsea, the concerns in the United camp were obvious following the loss of Rio Ferdinand to a groin injury.

With John O'Shea missing, Nemanja Vidic and Mikael Silvestre sidelined with long-term problems and Gary Neville at least a week away from a return to action from his ankle problem, Ferguson's defensive options have been ravaged to the extent Darren Fletcher was forced into the right-back role, with rookie Youth Cup star Craig Cathcart the only alternative.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2007, 08:59 PM

Yet amid the celebrations of an eighth final appearance under Ferguson, and the prospect of a mouth-watering clash with Chelsea, the concerns in the United camp were obvious following the loss of Rio Ferdinand to a groin injury.

With John O'Shea missing, Nemanja Vidic and Mikael Silvestre sidelined with long-term problems and Gary Neville at least a week away from a return to action from his ankle problem, Ferguson's defensive options have been ravaged to the extent Darren Fletcher was forced into the right-back role, with rookie Youth Cup star Craig Cathcart the only alternative.

Posted by: dst Apr 14 2007, 09:18 PM

Their probalems will have gone down by then with only Vidic probably still being out.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2007, 09:19 PM

Sometimes groin injuries are grave... in any case it's their attack that puzzles me, not their defence.

Posted by: dst Apr 14 2007, 09:28 PM

Why?

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2007, 09:36 PM

Cause their power is their attack... 

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 15 2007, 04:05 AM

... in any case it's their attack that puzzles me, not their defence.

Posted by: bigmacmtl Apr 15 2007, 05:13 AM

i'm so anxious fot this game i cant wait for it, but i'm also nervous because going out in the semis is heartbreakin because we're so close and we did it last year so it would suck to go out a 2nd year in a row. anyways i really dont think we canrefer to vicotry against them 2 years ago for many reasons:
-our def was much better and dida was in top form (7 games without conceeding in CL)
-ronaldo and rooney werent mature and have come a long way this season and are in top form at the moment.
-we had sheva
-we had more depth in all positions
-oh and they had carrol in goal hahha (thats why we got the win in old trafford), then again van der sar has a rep. of fcking up on long range shots like what we saw against portsmouth the other day.

but hey this is football and anything can happen and if we win the CL i'm getting a milan tattoo!!

Posted by: milanista88 Apr 15 2007, 06:54 AM

I don’t agree with the sentiments of our defence standing little chance against their attack.

OK so CR is in top form, perhaps the best player in Europe right now, but everyone else is honestly pretty inconsistent and they have more players that lack experience than we do. I firmly believe our old boys defence will be the best that man utd will play this season and hopefully their last.

As for our attack I can only hope that Ancelotti will play two upfront, just give us better scoring chances, after all it's all about the goals.

our 1st leg against Bayern: 4 shots on net=2 goals, 2nd leg: 5 shots on net=2 goals (Bayern had 8).
simply that is really low even tough we are scoring -- it's a bit puzzling and mite not always work.
Manutd on the other hand, 1st leg: 3 on net = 1 goal, 2nd leg, 15 on net = 7 goals.
Also on 2nd match: ManU: 26' 34'' Ball. Poss. (time) Roma: 31' 45''
45% Ball. Poss. (%) 55%

I think we are pretty even, they may have faster and younger legs but we have the upper hand when it comes to a solid midfield and defence. I'm still hoping c.ronaldo get injured for good sum time very soon.

Forza Milan

Posted by: MizNelson Apr 15 2007, 07:34 AM

Posted by: han2503 Apr 15 2007, 09:28 AM

i'm so anxious fot this game i cant wait for it, but i'm also nervous because going out in the semis is heartbreakin because we're so close and we did it last year so it would suck to go out a 2nd year in a row. anyways i really dont think we canrefer to vicotry against them 2 years ago for many reasons:
-our def was much better and dida was in top form (7 games without conceeding in CL)
-ronaldo and rooney werent mature and have come a long way this season and are in top form at the moment.
-we had sheva
-we had more depth in all positions
-oh and they had carrol in goal hahha (thats why we got the win in old trafford), then again van der sar has a rep. of fcking up on long range shots like what we saw against portsmouth the other day.

but hey this is football and anything can happen and if we win the CL i'm getting a milan tattoo!!

Posted by: dst Apr 15 2007, 11:54 AM

I don't know how u can rate their attack ?! I mean, it is good, but not the best .. They don't even have a qualified world class striker, yeah Rooney whatever   ... If any, it is their midfield and their build up to attack, not teh attack itself.

-we had sheva

Rio may not be at 100% when game time arrives, as he hurt his groin yesterday against Watford. ManU are pretty banged up themselves.

Even a 1-1 draw may prove invaluable.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 15 2007, 12:02 PM

but hey this is football and anything can happen and if we win the CL i'm getting a milan tattoo!!

The attack is not just the one or two forwards upfront just like the defence is not only the 4 at the back... 

I don't get you guys. Why are you surprised that I said this? I think it's clear that if there's something that makes United special at the moment it's their attacking mechanism (is that better?)!!!

Posted by: dst Apr 15 2007, 12:09 PM

I got what you said dst, but despite them being magnifacent going forward, I think we can hadle them.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 15 2007, 12:23 PM

But I never said we couldn't...

Posted by: dst Apr 15 2007, 12:27 PM

I know you didn't I was just pointing it out, the fact that all the journalists seem to think that it's impossible from all that's coming out through the media is what's irritating

Posted by: Locke Lamora Apr 15 2007, 12:47 PM

Hey, I can't see why we can't go through.
If we hold to a draw at Old Trafford, we can still win at San Siro.
In doing so, I think patiently waiting for defensive lapses will be crucial, it seems that Man U tends to lower their defence towards the end of the game.

Okay they beat Roma 7-1, but after they scored their second goal, Roma just completely fell out of the game.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 15 2007, 12:52 PM

Hey, I can't see why we can't go through.
If we hold to a draw at Old Trafford, we can still win at San Siro.
In doing so, I think patiently waiting for defensive lapses will be crucial, it seems that Man U tends to lower their defence towards the end of the game.

Okay they beat Roma 7-1, but after they scored their second goal, Roma just completely fell out of the game.

Posted by: tom_valtellina Apr 15 2007, 01:24 PM

There's been a lot of talk about Cristiano Ronaldo but Giggs is also a great player. I hope all the Man United guys are fit (obviously exluding those already injured), because if we're going to beat them then we may as well beat them with their best players. We can do it!

Part of me hopes that the 7-1 result will put alot of pressure on Man U. I mean, so much has been written and said over the last few days about the dazzling, attacking, swashbuckling etc etc football they produced against Roma. I think there will be pressure on them to come up with a similar performance. Milan, on the other hand, have had a difficult season and many will believe we have done well just to make the semi finals of the CL. There won't be the same expectation on us and we will go in as the underdogs, so I think we may have a slight psychological advantage in that regard.

As for what our strategy should be over the two legs, I think we definitely need to keep things tight in the first leg by playing 5 in midfield and just the one striker up front. The Old Trafford crowd will be roaring Man United forward so there will be good opportunities for us on the counter. Realistically for us, hopefully we can get a 1-1 at OT and then control the return at San Siro.

A big advantage for us is our experience on the big European stage.

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 15 2007, 01:39 PM

oops, wrong topic !!

Posted by: Locke Lamora Apr 15 2007, 04:30 PM

han2503, I haven't been here for two weeks.

Posted by: andi_sant Apr 15 2007, 06:49 PM

My prediction is 0 - 1 for Milan.

Posted by: bigmacmtl Apr 16 2007, 04:25 AM

Sheva was not playing in either of the games against them in 04/05.

This is more Carlo v SAF. The defences both have their problems, so the game will be won in midfield.

That's why we'll play a 5 man midfield to stifle them out and hit them on the break.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2007, 07:12 AM

k well we had crespo and scored the only goals of the ties, and ya he was huge for us in CL that year 6 goals and that when we relied on a great Def

Posted by: dst Apr 16 2007, 05:46 PM

and I've got a feeling that Kaladze might be the one to play at LB to be more stable, because I can't imagine Janku trying to handle Ronaldo.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2007, 06:12 PM

I'm praying to Paolo you're wrong!! 

My God, you can imagine Kaladze and not Janku?? Please...  I'd rather see Favalli there rather than Kakha!

Posted by: misha Apr 16 2007, 06:18 PM

I know how you feel about Kala, but it is a fact that he is much more stable at the back then Janku.

I myself would feel more comfortable with him rather then Janku

Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2007, 06:41 PM

I'm with dst. Kaladze at LB is even worse than he is at CB. Don't you remember his ridiculous mistakes when he played there? Janku will play for sure

Posted by: misha Apr 16 2007, 06:53 PM

He makes some rediculous mistakes as CB also 

BUT he has had some incredible games at LB when we were really up against it against top class wingers and he pulled it off impeccably well.

I can't understand why you would prefer Janku, if you look at his matches he always forgets to go back down and defend during a match. Can you imagine the Portugese getting in behind him and running freely???

Imo Kaladze is the better option, if I were Carlo I would choose him and make him shadow Ron's @ss for the entire game, and when he gets the ball and runs at him Ambro or Rino will help out and quickly get the ball back.

And I think that it will be highly likely that Carlo uses Kala instead of Janku

Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2007, 07:01 PM

It's nothing compared to these he make at the LB Besides Kala doesn't feel comfrtable playing LB. He said that himself

Carlo won't put him there. He hasn't regain top shape yet after his injury but even if so and you want to put defensive player there then you can put Paolo there and tell him not to make too many runs forward

But I'm 90% sure tha Janku will play there. Carlo just will tell him to play more defensively. Janku can defend well too.

Posted by: mishie Apr 16 2007, 07:09 PM

it's a to bigger game to put kaladze straight back in and i think janku pace is a big plus
oddo-nesta-maldini-janku thats got to be the back 4 for me if no maldini then bonera i think we'll score and i might regret saying this but manure don't hold any fear for me i think we'll be in athens come may!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2007, 07:11 PM

it's a to bigger game to put kaladze straight back in and i think janku pace is a big plus
oddo-nesta-maldini-janku  thats got to be the back 4 for me if no maldini then bonera i think we'll score and i might regret saying this but manure don't hold any fear for me i think we'll be in athens come may!

Posted by: misha Apr 16 2007, 07:15 PM

Yeah, well I personally don't think he will be able to mark Ronaldo well.

And if he plays I can see some goals being conceeded

Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2007, 07:19 PM

It won't be a man marking.

I Kala plays I can see more goals being conceeded

Posted by: dst Apr 16 2007, 07:35 PM

I know how you feel about Kala, but it is a fact that he is much more stable at the back then Janku.

I'm with dst. Kaladze at LB is even worse than he is at CB. Don't you remember his ridiculous mistakes when he played there? Janku will play for sure

BUT he has had some incredible games at LB when we were really up against it against top class wingers and he pulled it off impeccably well.

I can't understand why you would prefer Janku, if you look at his matches he always forgets to go back down and defend during a match. Can you imagine the Portugese getting in behind him and running freely???

if I were Carlo I would choose him and make him shadow Ron's @ss for the entire game

If it's Kala that plays and makes mistakes then I will change my username to something as gayish as Porty instead of my lucky combination.

Posted by: misha Apr 16 2007, 07:37 PM

I think Carlo will deploy man markers on him and Giggs. Last season in the first leg against Barca we deplaoyed Zonal on R10 and it didn't work exactly as planned if you remember correctly. Then in the Nou Camp he deployed Stam as his man marker and R10 basically did nothing for the entire match.

That's why I think Carlo will ask our full back to man mark their wingers with Ambro and Rino helping out when needed.

We'll see what happens when the game comes and which one plays. If it's Kala that plays and makes mistakes then I will change my username to something as gayish as Porty instead of my lucky combination. But if he stays and does well I will keep the current one.

It's up to you to take the bet on Janku now. 

Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2007, 10:16 PM

It's definitely not a fact!

Of course Janku against United won't be going up like he usually does... 

I'd rather not see this scenario come true but I'd choose sweethaney for your new username! 

You see it's not an even bet cuz I'm absolutely sure that Kala won't play.

Posted by: misha Apr 16 2007, 10:20 PM

I think it's 50/50.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2007, 10:23 PM

So let's make it that way: If Kala plays I change my nick and if Janku then you change yours

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 17 2007, 02:51 AM

Imo, it is. Janku does look good against ok opposition but I can't imagine him against Ronaldo.
Even so, I think he can easily be passed by C.R
 

Well that's a harsh one! Maybe I'l make a bet like Porty did. Because if we go through to the final I would even consider changing my user name to 'I'm_your_b!tch'

Posted by: han2503 Apr 17 2007, 07:23 AM

Please make this a promise !!!! Please ...

Posted by: han2503 Apr 17 2007, 11:27 AM

Bad news guys:

Posted by: dst Apr 17 2007, 12:04 PM

Stay off the post!

I hope he'll make it. But the biggest blow would be to miss Nesta... I trust in him to put that extra effort to cover Kalac's @ss.

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 17 2007, 12:45 PM

Kalac vs. Man U!!??

ohh boy.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 17 2007, 12:58 PM

Stay off the post!   

I hope he'll make it.  But the biggest blow would be to miss Nesta... I trust in him to put that extra effort to cover Kalac's @ss.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 17 2007, 02:37 PM

Ohh no Dida

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 17 2007, 02:45 PM

Nesta's okay. He a has a sligh hand injury, don't worry we'll get something out of old trafford. A goal? a draw? a win? All I known is I'm hoping for the best.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 17 2007, 04:39 PM

Nesta's okay. He a has a sligh hand injury, don't worry we'll get something out of old trafford. A goal? a draw? a win? All I known is I'm hoping for the best.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 17 2007, 04:43 PM

When a man named Kalac is gaurding our posts I'm not so confident 

Posted by: han2503 Apr 17 2007, 05:04 PM

He did well against Bayern last ear and Celtic this year .. So I guess he has proven to us that he is worthy for a sub

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 17 2007, 05:26 PM

Against Celtic? He didn't even touch the ball in that game apart from the weak Nakamura freekick.

And against Bayern he didn't play the whole game, he came on when we where dominating so again, didn't have much to do

Posted by: han2503 Apr 17 2007, 06:02 PM

Um against Bayern ?! it was at the Allienz, when we were bombarded from all angles by Bayern and our defence made a cocoon around Kalac's goal ... I would say he kept a safe goal ..

Against Celtic, I was trembling that he doesn't make a mistake, but he didn't ...

In anycase, if Carlo trusts him, I don't see why I shouldnt

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 17 2007, 06:12 PM

I'm not going to keep criticising him though since he is our only option if Dida doesn't recover in time, so I'm going to get behind him and support him

Posted by: han2503 Apr 17 2007, 06:40 PM

Against United; if Milan can score at least 2 goals at Old Trafford, we will be good to go through, even if we loose that match

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 17 2007, 07:14 PM

Man United are not as hard to over-come as people believe.

Milan got alot of criticism over the way we beat Celtic.

People forget, Man U beat Celtic 3-2 at home, and lost 1-0 away, so if that were a knockout game, United would have been out on away goals. They're not as great as people suggest, they have one great perofrmance and everybody raves on.

Forgetting they should have lost by 3 or 4 in the first leg against Roma.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 17 2007, 07:39 PM

@ kurtsimonw .. United are beatable, Milan have done it before .. And in history, United have never beaten Milan b4 ...

I would think han's theory is the most logical ... Cutting off their wings would mean the end to their attacking game and playing at a slow tempo would kill them slowly ... And above all, playing Catanacio would, the way Milan does, end United's hope of even scoring

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 17 2007, 07:41 PM

@ kurtsimonw .. United are beatable, Milan have done it before .. And in history, United have never beaten Milan b4 ...

I would think han's theory is the most logical ... Cutting off their wings would mean the end to their attacking game and playing at a slow tempo would kill them slowly ... And above all, playing Catanacio would, the way Milan does, end United's hope of even scoring

Posted by: dst Apr 17 2007, 08:47 PM

Guys we don't depend so much on the goalie and Kalac is good enough so we'd better don't cry over this. We're not going to Old Trafford to avoid being beaten by 7...

And above all, playing Catanacio would, the way Milan does, end United's hope of even scoring

Posted by: weeeow Apr 17 2007, 09:03 PM

Hi guys!

I'm back from a very interesting and fun but tiring trip to Hong Kong & Japan!

We are out of the CL. There is no HOPE!

Posted by: dst Apr 17 2007, 09:14 PM

Welcome back, how was your trip?

Posted by: weeeow Apr 17 2007, 09:32 PM

the trip was great, I'll post some pics later on in the week!

Didn't miss any matches though - the channels on sopcast are actually shown on the main TV in Hong Kong and Japan! I was very loyful , waking up at 4.00 am in the morning to see bayern - Milan, screaming my head off, waking everybody up in the hotel!
watched the empoli and messina games. R9

Nice trip + Nice AC = Happiness

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 17 2007, 10:10 PM

Inshallah we beat Man U !!! I'll be praying the whole week before the game and also who would you rather go against if we move on to finals? I'd rather see Liverpool to heal some of my wounds, and also my friend is a big Liverpool fan who showed me a video of...(not going to continue) lol FORZA MILAN !!! F*** WOMEN UNITED LETS BEAT THESE MOFOS

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Apr 17 2007, 10:20 PM

When United played earlier today an effective way to slow them down was to man mark giggs and ronaldo. If we can stop their creativity we can effectively stop their attacking options

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 17 2007, 10:24 PM

We need to keep them under pressure, defensively they're not the best.

They have a shaky keeper, 3 of their 4 starting defenders are out. Giggs, Scholes and Ronaldo don't know what the word defend means. Then there's Carrick and the strikers.

I could mark Carrick out of the game if I was blind, Rooney and Solskjaer/Smith won't be defending.

Keep them back - Keep a clean sheet.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Apr 17 2007, 10:28 PM

We need to keep them under pressure, defensively they're not the best.

They have a shaky keeper, 3 of their 4 starting defenders are out. Giggs, Scholes and Ronaldo don't know what the word defend means. Then there's Carrick and the strikers.

I could mark Carrick out of the game if I was blind, Rooney and Solskjaer/Smith won't be defending.

Keep them back - Keep a clean sheet.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 17 2007, 11:28 PM

We only played catenaccio in the 60's, when Herrera invented it...

Unless you mean something else but this:

Posted by: dst Apr 17 2007, 11:42 PM

Well the whole WC was a catenaccio demonstration, the keeper used as the sweeper.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 18 2007, 01:20 AM

I get what you're saying.

No, this reminds me of our great defence and... Seedorf!

Posted by: dst Apr 18 2007, 08:18 AM

It's only a fairy-tale Rossoneri7! In real life, the hare never sleeps...

(Sh!t it sounds like you're 5 years old and I'm your grandpa )

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 18 2007, 08:38 AM

It's only a fairy-tale Rossoneri7! In real life, the hare never sleeps...

(Sh!t it sounds like you're 5 years old and I'm your grandpa  )

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 18 2007, 09:09 AM

It's only a fairy-tale Rossoneri7! In real life, the hare never sleeps...

(Sh!t it sounds like you're 5 years old and I'm your grandpa  )

Posted by: misha Apr 18 2007, 12:31 PM

It's only a fairy-tale Rossoneri7! In real life, the hare never sleeps...

(Sh!t it sounds like you're 5 years old and I'm your grandpa  )

Posted by: tom_valtellina Apr 18 2007, 12:34 PM

Is anyone else afraid that we will be facing more than Man United in the semi? By that, I'm questioning whether UEFA will want a team involved in 'match fixing' to be European Champions the same season they were convicted.

I'm not usually one to buy into football conspiracies (South Korea v Italy in 2002, England v Germany in 1966 etc) and doubt that UEFA would instruct a referee to penalise a team on the pitch.

Posted by: dst Apr 18 2007, 12:42 PM

If anyone needs to be afraid of that, it's United. UEFA have expressed their fear and concerns towards the Greek Football Federation over the set-up of the upcoming CL final due to the Greek police's inability to control local hooligans. They don't want two English teams in Athens. They fear of the drinking culture... but most of all they fear of Greece's disfunctional counter-violence mechanism.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 18 2007, 01:04 PM

I'm waiting for you to prove in on the field Ricky! 

Posted by: han2503 Apr 18 2007, 01:10 PM

Man United are not as hard to over-come as people believe.

Milan got alot of criticism over the way we beat Celtic.

People forget, Man U beat Celtic 3-2 at home, and lost 1-0 away, so if that were a knockout game, United would have been out on away goals. They're not as great as people suggest, they have one great perofrmance and everybody raves on.

Forgetting they should have lost by 3 or 4 in the first leg against Roma.

Hi guys!

I'm back from a very interesting and fun but tiring trip to Hong Kong & Japan!
Now, now, pkillerMax, what did you say last time against celtic, against bayern???????

FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     

the trip was great, I'll post some pics later on in the week!

Didn't miss any matches though - the channels on sopcast are actually shown on the main TV in Hong Kong and Japan!    I was very loyful    , waking up at 4.00 am in the morning to see bayern - Milan, screaming my head off, waking everybody up in the hotel!
watched the empoli and messina games. R9 

Nice trip + Nice AC = Happiness

Well the whole WC was a catenaccio demonstration, the keeper used as the sweeper.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7)

Catenaccio has evolved over the years .. Thus, it depends on a solid back four, a solid midfield and a slow paced game ... Doesn't this remind u of Milan

I get what you're saying.

No, this reminds me of our great defence and... Seedorf!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 18 2007, 02:10 PM

Everybody should just get over it now.

In recent weeks these are Man Uniteds results:

Watford 1-4 Man U (At Villa Park)
They conceeded, which is shameful.

Man United 2-0 Sheff United
A win is a win, but only 2-0?

Man United 7-1 Roma
Very convincing win.

Roma 2-1 Man United
How did they escape with only a 1 goal loss?

Portsmouth 2-0 Man United
I rest my case.

3 wins in 5 games. 2 of the wins against teams that we're playing in the second tier of English football last year.

Hardly anything special, they're not in great form, as shown by the results. Don't over-hype them even more.

Posted by: Bluesummers Apr 19 2007, 05:44 AM

I agree .. We should play the 4-4-1-1 .. It can absorb the oppositions pressure and help with a quick counter attack. Plus, it makes the team solid and harder to break at any counter attack.

Roma were caught in despair, their team as a whole isn't as experienced as Man U's in knock out rounds, expecially one that corresponds to the CL quarter finals. Roma could have beaten United, but their coach also wasn't as experienced as SAF.

Milan on the other hand, thrive in this competition. If there is a team to beat it ahs to be United, but considering how fresh our key players are. I think we have an advantage, plus if they think they can beat us 7 or 10 nil, that would add to a catalyst that could end up having them loose both  the CL and EPL. As they are under pressure now from Chelsea in the league. SAF wont rest his players, he has a numbered starting 11, his players are the same from defence to the attack, he can't afford to rotate, especially with Chelsea on their trail. In the mean time, Milan has just to secure 4th place, anything extra would just be a bonus. Plus, Milan has a squad of vast experience and it is in the closing stages of both the championship and CL that prevails. Milan also has a second line of defence (i.e. Bonera, Kakha, Simic, Sergio, Cafu..) that are very effective and on form, our midfield is very rigid with many choices in experience and quality, and our attack, well we have a striker exclusively for Serie A and we have one exclusively for CL.

Man U wont stand a chance .. They will be humiliated in the San Siro (u can quote me on this) .. That is how I really see it. I just like hearing their fans go on and on about them humiliating Roma and what not, but I think they don't stand a chance against Milan.

Posted by: Bluesummers Apr 19 2007, 05:48 AM

Rino should get in Rooney's face, that little f@cker get's ticked off very easily and after that he starts lunging into everything he sees. He could get sent off quickly. And Pirlo, Kaka and Seedorf should tempt Paul Scholes, because that guy wouldn't know how to tackle even if he was made to take a crash course on it.

Posted by: tom_valtellina Apr 20 2007, 01:21 PM

I would love to see rino and rooney get into a fight , even if they both get red cards.  rooney would get his f@cking a$$ handed to him so bad.  One football player all italians know not to mess with is genaro gattuso.  I hope rooney learns the hardway too

Posted by: dst Apr 20 2007, 01:28 PM

I don't think Gattuso can deal with Ronaldo. He will most probably be run over or sent off... Ambrosini has a better chance.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 20 2007, 01:57 PM

I don't think Gattuso can deal with Ronaldo. He will most probably be run over or sent off... Ambrosini has a better chance.

Posted by: tom_valtellina Apr 20 2007, 05:16 PM

I think Rino can do well against him, he's got the stamina to keep up with him, the biggest thing he could do is get C.R injured after the Portugese gets on his nerves doing step overs.

If it where up to me I would ask Rino to shadow C.R and Ambro Giggs. When they have the ball and are running with it Oddo and Janku/Kala will be asked to help them out with double teaming them and getting the ball back as quickly as they can

Posted by: han2503 Apr 20 2007, 06:11 PM

I think we should go for a 4-4-1-1 as opposed to the 4-3-2-1 that we saw against Bayern. The basic difference would be that Seedorf drops back to central midfield with Pirlo, meaning that Rino and Ambro play wider on the flanks. This would allow them to more directly mark Man U's wingers, with the full backs there for the double team. Kaka would be left as the link between mid and attack.

Maybe we are getting a bit too "Man U winger" focused though. Sure, Ronaldo and Giggs are dangerous, but we also need to be thinking about attacking them and hopefully getting an away goal. I'd be comfortable with either the 4-4-1-1 (slightly more cautious) or the 4-3-2-1 (slightly more attacking).

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 20 2007, 07:11 PM

I don't think Milan will be as defensive as all of you keep insisting, rather Milan would most likely attack from the very beginning. Cuz if the team starts to defend, Milan would most likely concede, which we shouldn't.

I think a good result is the best result; we should win this game with more than a 2 goals difference. Knowing United and their fans, they would be a very difficult opponent when they are in possession ... So by the time this leg is over, Milan would have a cushion to depend on in the next leg

Posted by: han2503 Apr 20 2007, 07:19 PM

I don't think Milan will be as defensive as all of you keep insisting, rather Milan would most likely attack from the very beginning. Cuz if the team starts to defend, Milan would most likely concede, which we shouldn't.

I think a good result is the best result; we should win this game with more than a 2 goals difference. Knowing United and their fans, they would be a very difficult opponent when they are in possession ... So by the time this leg is over, Milan would have a cushion to depend on in the next leg

Posted by: dst Apr 20 2007, 07:31 PM

Something tells me we're gonna score first. Then, if we manage to keep it balanced we will probably get a good result but if we try and defend that goal I'm sure they'll manage to snatch a (narrow) win in the end!

we should win this game with more than a 2 goals difference.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 20 2007, 07:41 PM

Something tells me we're gonna score first. Then, if we manage to keep it balanced we will probably get a good result but if we try and defend that goal I'm sure they'll manage to snatch a (narrow) win in the end!
Wakey wakey, eggs and bakey!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 20 2007, 07:45 PM

Wakey wakey, eggs and bakey! 

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 20 2007, 07:49 PM

Posted by: javierk128 Apr 20 2007, 07:59 PM

grande nesta

Posted by: dst Apr 20 2007, 09:04 PM

Yeah Nesta is... grande!!

(Shut up R7. And you han! )

It's funny that Kaka has not been mentioned as much as I would expect! Well... I think he has a gift for United!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 20 2007, 09:09 PM

Yeah Nesta is... grande!! 

(Shut up and R7. And you han! )

It's funny that Kaka has not been mentioned as much as I would expect! Well... I think he has a gift for United! 

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 20 2007, 11:28 PM

Guys i dont think we should focus this much about the wings. I say keep wings distracted and attack from middle.

Posted by: berenike_10 Apr 21 2007, 04:35 AM

i think we have a very good chance against Man u , i mean well C. Ronaldo is very fast and creative, but i dont think that one on one challenge will resolve the problem , milan defense will need to wait for him until the last minute, though milan defese is playing really well right now , and in general the whole team, so hopefully we can win in old trafford 1-0, or at least tie 1-1, that could be a good result , nevertheless i would feel more secure if milan at least win for on goal difference.

the line up... well , the line up should be the same one that we used against bayern, with gatussoa and ambro tackling all over the field and pirlo , seedorf, and kaka creating the plays on the field, and inzaghi ( if he's fit ) to play as a punta

Our defense should be the same one , from left to righ with Marek, Maldini , Nesta and Oddo. who all 4 of them have show great display ( disregarding the game ant san siro against bayern ) they can do it very well down there.

My big concern is the keeper in this case.. i really dont trust in kalac, i honestly would rather to pick up to storari, but ancelotti has the last word. so , thats the case for this game, facing perhaps the best team in europe rithg now, but.. im sure we can pull this one off.

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 21 2007, 04:48 AM

love ur sig!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 21 2007, 10:36 AM

My big concern is the keeper in this case.. i really dont trust in kalac, i honestly would rather to pick up to storari, but ancelotti has the last word. so , thats the case for this game, facing perhaps the best team in europe rithg now, but.. im sure we can pull this one off.

love ur sig!

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 21 2007, 10:38 AM

I think that that issue is everyone's biggest concern. Despite the lapses in defence against Ascoli he was also at fault for all goals. I cna't imagine him trying to hold whatever United throw at him for a full 90 minutes.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 21 2007, 11:20 AM

that's why we need a super performance from Nesta and Paolo again

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 21 2007, 11:22 AM

Definately.

We need to keep Kalac as protected as possible. Doni commited a few howlers in the quarter final butI just can't imagine Kalac

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 21 2007, 11:24 AM

Kalac is better than Doni !!
 

Posted by: dst Apr 21 2007, 03:35 PM

Posted by: han2503 Apr 21 2007, 03:41 PM

They keep saying this. But back then only Rooney and Christiano where young. They had experianced players on their team as much as us, RVN, Scholes, Neville, Giggs, Ferdinand, Silvestre, etc...

I hope they really get over confident about this

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 21 2007, 04:05 PM

If Ferguson thinks CR and Rooney are men, then what would he say about Maldini, Nesta, Pippo, Gattuso, Pirlo, and Kaka ... I rest my case

Posted by: javierk128 Apr 21 2007, 06:59 PM

manu-middlesbrough is 1-1, and it seems that rio ferdinand got injured in some moment of the match, so let´s hope he won´t be on tuesday match

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Apr 21 2007, 09:25 PM

Rio Ferdinand is injured for both legs

Excellent news

Posted by: dst Apr 21 2007, 09:35 PM

All season long, they've head close to no injuries... it was about time, don't you think?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 21 2007, 10:07 PM

All season long, they've head close to no injuries... it was about time, don't you think?

Posted by: javierk128 Apr 21 2007, 10:31 PM

i hope so...

i would be so happy if milan win this season CL

i already saw us in 2002/2003 season, but now it´s not the same thing

Posted by: misha Apr 21 2007, 10:58 PM

Ancelotti sees 'predictable' Man U

Carlo Ancelotti urged his players to be more focused and looked ahead to the Champions League. “Manchester United are strong, but predictable.”

Milan are closing in on third-placed Lazio after their seventh win in eight games, but Ancelotti still had pointers for his men.

“We have been doing well for a while. Thanks to the Winter break, the return of some injured players and Ronaldo’s arrival, we improved a great deal,” commented the Coach.

Il Fenomeno scored a brace in the 3-1 win over Cagliari this evening, but for a while they risked letting the Sardinians back into the game.

“Andrea Pirlo’s free kick to seal the scoreline made me happy because he closed the match after we had opened it again with a bit of arrogance. We have to be more focused and learn to finish teams off.”

This is particularly important just days ahead of the Champions League semi-final at Old Trafford.

“Manchester United are quite predictable. They are an extremely strong side, but looking carefully you do understand how they operate.

“They are formidable counter-attackers and use their pace with Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo. If we don’t make the most of our possession, then that could create some problems for us.”

Nelson Dida and Pippo Inzaghi are injury doubts for Tuesday’s semi-final , but Sir Alex Ferguson also has problems with Rio Ferdinand out for two weeks after suffering a recurring groin injury against Middlesbrough today.

“Ferdinand is an important player for them and his absence – along with Nemanja Vidic – could make it difficult for Ferguson to field an all-new central defensive partnership."

The other Red Devils out of action are Gary Neville, Park Ji-sung, Louis Saha and possibly Kieran Richardson.

“As for Dida, Zeljko Kalac gives us security, as he is an excellent goalkeeper. We will only resolve the Dida issue at the last minute. He has to be 100 per cent fit if he is to play, as a shoulder injury for a ‘keeper is a big problem.”

Ancelotti rested most of his star names for the semi-final, fielding Clarence Seedorf in his preferred Trequartista position.

“It isn’t easy for him, as there is a lot of competition for that role from Kaka and we must try to avoid clutter in that area of the field. Seedorf can play there and he can be crucial at Old Trafford.”

Ricardo Oliveira gave another disappointing performance against Cagliari, highlighting why he has barely stepped on to the field of late.

“A striker needs to be relaxed and confident. Oliveira doesn’t have those elements at the moment, which is why things aren’t going his way. He did have a few good shots on goal and did the work I asked of him today, though.”

channel4

Posted by: Darunia Apr 21 2007, 11:27 PM

Is Evra definitely out? I heard that Neville might be back... who's going to replace Ferdinand at CB, O' Shea?

Posted by: han2503 Apr 21 2007, 11:37 PM

Ohh yes I think, and I like
Milan have Dida injured ?! Not a problem compared to them; Ferdinand, Evra, Neville, Vidic, and Saha ... Hehe their whole back line is out !! And they wont have a choice for strikers, just Rooney, Soljkair (spell) and Smith (really cant figure out if he can play as a gk too..)

Milan will pass the first leg with a two goal difference
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is Evra definitely out?  I heard that Neville might be back... who's going to replace Ferdinand at CB, O' Shea?

Posted by: Tennie Apr 22 2007, 11:26 AM

Greek refereeing team named for the game:

MILANO - Sara' l'arbitro greco Kyros Vassaras a dirigere l'incontro di andata delle semifinali di Champions League tra Manchester United e Milan, in programma martedi' sera alle 20.45 (ora italiana) all'Old Trafford. Vassaras sara' coadiuvato dai connazionali Dimitrios Bozatzidis, Dimitrios Saraidaris e Christoforos Zografos in qualita' di quarto uomo. (Agr) http://www.gazzetta.it/ultimora/agrnews.jsp?id={1FDD6AD2-1882-4E66-88FC-257299D94CE9}&cat=calcio&sezione=CALCIO

dst, d'you know anything about these guys?

Posted by: dst Apr 22 2007, 11:33 AM

dst, d'you know anything about these guys?

Posted by: Portikins Apr 22 2007, 01:29 PM

The ref is very good. He refereed in Barcelona - Liverpool (1-2) and Valencia - Chelsea (1-2)... A win for the visitor this time again would be great!   

And there's also that other thing I was talking about the other day. I expected Vassaras to ref one of our games with United, UEFA and the Greek FF do NOT want 2 English teams in the final... We'll see.

He'll also most probably ref the final in Athens.

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 22 2007, 02:12 PM

25 man squad

Goalkeepers: Dida , Kalac, Fiori & Storari.

Defenders: Bonera, Cafu, Costacurta, Favalli, Jankulovski, Kaladze(he's still here? ), Maldini, Nesta, Oddo, Serginho & Simic.

Mid: Ambrosini, Brocchi, Gattuso, Gourcuff, Kakà, Pirlo & Seedorf.

Attack: Gilardino, Inzaghi & R. Oliveira.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 22 2007, 03:44 PM

Why not?

Posted by: rhy_A4 Apr 22 2007, 04:12 PM

i think two english team = riots in athens bars and maybe in the stadium to knowing liverpool fans any how

Posted by: misha Apr 22 2007, 04:27 PM

Jordan: Milan can do it

Former Milan man Joe Jordan thinks Manchester United can be defeated at Old Trafford and outlines how it can be done.

The Scotsman ought to know, as his Portsmouth beat Sir Alex Ferguson’s squad 2-0 a fortnight ago.

“We attacked them and used all our strength. We were fortunate with Rio Ferdinand’s own goal and Edwin Van der Sar’s error, but there wasn’t a single moment in that match when we released our grip,” he told ‘Il Giornale’ newspaper.

“That constant aggression is the only option against the strongest side in the Premiership. If I were Carlo Ancelotti, I would play with the 4-4-2 system at San Siro, but the 4-4-1-1 at Old Trafford.

“Even when Manchester United are under pressure, they always manage to score. In the first 20 minutes they’ll come for Milan like a wolf going for the jugular.”

Roma were thrashed 7-1 here in the quarter-finals, but Jordan does not think Milan will fall into the same trap.

“The Rossoneri are a lot more experienced in this type of game. Roma took the wrong tactical approach, as they were not prudent enough. Milan will not make that mistake and have players who are guarantees at this level.”

The two teams crossed paths in 2004-05, as Ancelotti’s men won both legs 1-0 to progress.

“Milan have a good history here, but Manchester have matured with Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo since then. They are the freshest and most potent of the four semi-finalists. Milan are more relaxed, but when I watch Kaka I always expect something wonderful to happen.

Jordan is still fondly remembered by the Rossoneri fans, having made the move from Manchester United in 1981.

“I had been earning £25,000 per season, but got double those wages in Milan. I accepted that challenge after having rejected offers from Bayern Munich and Ajax when I was still at Leeds United,” added ‘Lo Squalo.’

“Milan were a grand club, more prestigious than Manchester, as it was the side of Cesare Maldini, Fabio Cudicini, Gianni Rivera and Nils Liedholm.”

Football Italia

Posted by: pacang Apr 22 2007, 04:54 PM

damn.. i like the way he said em all.. we can beat united..

but a question remains.. how can i get the tickets if i'm far away from Milan?

i'll arrive on 28th.. are there still hope?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 22 2007, 05:04 PM

Van der Sar error...hope that repeats on Tuesday,..I`d love to see that cocky b@stards face..

Posted by: Darunia Apr 22 2007, 05:51 PM

Does anyone know if Man U has released their squad yet?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 22 2007, 06:00 PM

Jordan: Milan can do it

“That constant aggression is the only option against the strongest side in the Premiership. If I were Carlo Ancelotti, I would play with the 4-4-2 system at San Siro, but the 4-4-1-1 at Old Trafford.

“Even when Manchester United are under pressure, they always manage to score. In the first 20 minutes they’ll come for Milan like a wolf going for the jugular.”

Football Italia

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 22 2007, 07:26 PM

I think they will play Smith (don't know what all the hype around him is about, never really impressed me) and Rooney.
Neville I think will be back for the second leg, and I'm not sure about Evra but I think I heard them say on MUTV that he might be ready to play.

So if he is fit then we should expect to see this Man U starting 11 on Tuesday

O'Shea--Brown--Heinze--Evra
Ronaldo--Carrick--Scholes--Giggs
---------Rooney--Smith---------

Posted by: han2503 Apr 22 2007, 07:32 PM

United's back line won't look like that at all !!

Fletcher - Oshea - Brown - Heinze
That is for two friends of mine who are die hard United fans ... That is why I am over confident

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 22 2007, 07:37 PM

That will only happen if Evra can't play.

But if he can, then expect to see the back line I wrote above. If he can't play then the one you wrote will be used.

The right side is definately the weaker one, O'Shea is just terrible, same for Fletcher at RB. Brown is good, Simic quality imo, Heinze is a rock at LB, the only class player they have in that back 4

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Apr 22 2007, 07:41 PM

With Vidic and Ferdinand out, hah, Milan will be flooding their 18 yard box with crosses and through balls. Ohh and expect a penalty on Inzaghi

Posted by: han2503 Apr 22 2007, 07:49 PM

Actually Evra wont even play ... About Heinze, that is what I thought. Cuz I am a fan of Ayala and Heinze (in WC06) ... But sadly he is a sub in United. So, go figure

In anycase, Milan has penetrated harder defenses in Serie A, and United's 2nd tier defense is a joke compared to the ones Gila and Kaka had to face in Serie A

With Vidic and Ferdinand out, hah, Milan will be flooding their 18 yard box with crosses and through balls. Ohh and expect a penalty on Inzaghi

Posted by: han2503 Apr 22 2007, 07:50 PM

Guys things are going against Manchester United yeah but don't think this is going to be a walkover even with Ferdinand and Vidic out... they don't need to defend if we don't play well... 

Posted by: dst Apr 22 2007, 07:50 PM

Why not?

That is for two friends of mine who are die hard United fans ... That is why I am over confident

Posted by: MizNelson Apr 22 2007, 07:54 PM

Goalkeepers: Dida  , Kalac, Fiori & Storari. [/b]

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 22 2007, 07:59 PM

Guys things are going against Manchester United yeah but don't think this is going to be a walkover even with Ferdinand and Vidic out... they don't need to defend if we don't play well... 

Posted by: misha Apr 22 2007, 08:03 PM

And even though I feel that Gila works better then Inzaghi as the hold up man and links play far better then Pippo, I think that we should start Pippo at OT, I know Gila is getting into form right now, but I don't trust him to come up with the goals on such a big occasion.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Apr 22 2007, 08:09 PM

United have Giggs, Scholes, CR, Rooney, and Carrick .. Milan contain them with Nesta, Maldini, Oddo, Gattuso, Ambrosini ... And we do hold the best defensive record in Europe, just keep that in mind

Moreover, with their defense ... Kaka, Seedorf, Pirlo, Gila, and Pippo will have a blast   

Posted by: dst Apr 22 2007, 08:16 PM

I do hope we win obviously, but Manchester United draw to Middlesbrough and lose a few defenders and suddenly we are immense favourites. Remember when Shevchenko was missing from our team and United went crazy over that, we hit back majorly at that confidence, I just hope we don't end up on the receiving end this time.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 22 2007, 08:21 PM

Just keep in mind that YOU think we will have a blast at their defense   

United have pace, wingers and scoring midfielders, we struggled with Van Bommell against Bayern Carrick and Scholes (is he not suspended?) will be doing that all night.

I do hope we win obviously, but Manchester United draw to Middlesbrough and lose a few defenders and suddenly we are immense favourites. Remember when Shevchenko was missing from our team and United went crazy over that, we hit back majorly at that confidence, I just hope we don't end up on the receiving end this time.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 22 2007, 08:21 PM

United have pace, wingers and scoring midfielders, we struggled with Van Bommell against Bayern Carrick and Scholes (is he not suspended?) will be doing that all night.

Posted by: Darunia Apr 22 2007, 08:25 PM

Has Man U come out with their squad yet?

Posted by: han2503 Apr 22 2007, 08:26 PM

Has Man U come out with their squad yet?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 22 2007, 08:27 PM

Don't know, haven't seen anything about it

Posted by: weeeow Apr 22 2007, 10:36 PM

OK guys, here is the truth...

I have lived in Manchester for 7 years - '95-'02

Now I live in London

I was a Man U fan until '02 and during that time I went to half the home games.

AC Milan is well supported in Russia (I'm Russian) and so I have supported them since 2002

Personally I know that the English media hype up the atmosphere at Old Trafford - when I went to San Siro, it was 20X better! Seriously! Sitting next to Curva Sud!

Man U have always been pacy but this season, without RV10, 17 different people have scored which suggests Fergie has done his homework over the summer '06.

Milan are much better than Man U. If anyone saw the 'borough game you know that Milan are the team in form. They have the pressure of Chelski on their shoulders and now they have an injury crisis, not us.

Milan out of an injury crisis is a truly brilliant one! And history shows Milan have always beaten Man U in legged games!

After every game in Manchester, there are riots whether Man U wins or loses. They are weird people up there!

This post was useless, Oh Well!



FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dst Apr 22 2007, 10:59 PM

On what I posted earlier: There will certainly be trouble whichever of the 4 teams reach the final in Athens but I focused on English fans cause they travel to where their team is playing whether they have a ticket for the game or not and that means they're usually more than they should by some hundreds... so if all of those people also get drunk there's certainly going to be a riot in Athens.

C.Ronaldo = Kaka -> It's very debatable who is the best between them, but imo Kaka is better and his experiance on nights like these will prove the difference between the 2 imo.

Posted by: Portikins Apr 22 2007, 11:02 PM

Posted by: dst Apr 22 2007, 11:17 PM

^That too!

@weeeow: Your post was useful!

Was this posted??

Posted by: Portikins Apr 22 2007, 11:29 PM

Dida has good memories from Old Trafford. I hope that inspires him next Tuesday (if he plays).

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 23 2007, 01:26 AM

this will be their line-up if Evra doesn't recover.

-----------Fletcher-----O'Shea----Brown-----Heinze -------

-----Ronaldo--------Carrick----Scholes-----------Giggs------

----------------------Smith-----------Rooney-----------------



as for ours i want to see this

-----------------------------Dida--------------------------------

-----Oddo--------Nesta-------------Paolo--------Sergio-------

------------Gattuso----------Pirlo------------Ambro----------

--------------------Kaka---------------Seedorf--------------

-------------------------------Gila------------------------------

Posted by: Darunia Apr 23 2007, 02:17 AM

Serginho has been knocked up lately, plus I don't think he will be ready to defend C. Ronaldo. Janku was rested for most of Caglari, he'll start against Man U probably.

Posted by: rhy_A4 Apr 23 2007, 02:36 AM

i want to see Serginho play but i think its best we rest him for the home leg as we arent really going for a full out win at old trafford i meen we are but we arent we just want a clean sheet and if we can sneek a goal in or two that would be a boost

Posted by: Darunia Apr 23 2007, 02:45 AM

Posted by: milanista88 Apr 23 2007, 03:19 AM

too bad rio ferdinand is injured
he would have been useful in messing up in the manu defense lol

Posted by: elcordobez Apr 23 2007, 08:19 AM

too bad rio ferdinand is injured
he would have been useful in messing up in the manu defense lol

Posted by: Portikins Apr 23 2007, 10:29 AM

lol

Sounds promising for us,i'm really excited about this match.

Kaka will rip their defense apart, can't really think of anyone in Man utd who will be able to mark him well

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 23 2007, 11:02 AM

Dida to face United

Nelson Dida has recovered from his shoulder injury and should return for Milan against Manchester United on Tuesday night.

The Rossoneri face the Premiership side in the Champions League semi-finals with the first leg at Old Trafford sure to be a tense encounter.

The goalkeeper was injured in the match against Messina 10 days ago, damaging the same shoulder he had already injured during the Coppa Italia match with Roma earlier this term.

But the Brazilian has reportedly recovered completely and should be on the pitch for the European clash, when he hopes to repeat his excellent performance against Bayern Munich in the previous round.

However, Coach Carlo Ancelotti will have to do without Filippo Inzaghi, who is not yet at full fitness and will leave the striker’s role to Alberto Gilardino.

Milan have been semi-finalists 11 times in the competition and only twice have they failed to go on to the Final.

Furthermore, they have won six and lost two of their previous two-legged ties against English opposition and hope that Old Trafford will confirm itself as a lucky venue.

The Salford venue was also where the Rossoneri won the 2003 Champions League Final against Juventus, beating their rivals 3-2 on penalties after a goalless draw.


http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/apr23d.html

Posted by: redbabies Apr 23 2007, 12:01 PM

as for ours i want to see this

-----------------------------Dida--------------------------------

-----Oddo--------Nesta-------------Paolo--------Sergio-------

------------Gattuso----------Pirlo------------Ambro----------

--------------------Kaka---------------Seedorf--------------

-------------------------------Gila------------------------------

Posted by: redbabies Apr 23 2007, 12:05 PM

Guys things are going against Manchester United yeah but don't think this is going to be a walkover even with Ferdinand and Vidic out... they don't need to defend if we don't play well... 

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 23 2007, 12:15 PM

Sergio won't play. I can guarantee you that.
As for the others, that's what probably going to be.

BTW, their defence is tooooo weak, and I think we can score 2 goals there.
Brown and O'shea = 0

We just need an in-form KAKA, Seedorf, or Gila and that's it!

Posted by: rhy_A4 Apr 23 2007, 01:58 PM

Defender/Midfielder thats what it says on there site

Posted by: redbabies Apr 23 2007, 02:03 PM

isn't O'Shea more of a winger 

Posted by: tom_valtellina Apr 23 2007, 02:49 PM

Man United definitely have defensive problems at the moment, but they will still be very very hard to beat on Tuesday and should be respected a great amount. Ancelotti and the players need to concentrate on OUR OWN game first and foremost. I hope the team is just focusing on playing as close to 100% of the team's capability as possible. If we can achieve this then it shouldn't matter who we play against.

So amidst all the discussion going on here I would just like to say that, realistically, a good result for us in the first leg would be a score draw. That would give us the advantage going into the home leg, and hopefully with our experience at this level we should be able to control the match in that situation and progress to the Final.

Posted by: Warchant Apr 23 2007, 03:46 PM

^agree with above post

i would love to see us come out of this game with a win, but if we can get a 0-0 or a 1-1 i would be just as happy.

the fact that we had a great result and man u had the complete opposite gives me a lot of hope for this game.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 23 2007, 03:55 PM

isn't O'Shea more of a winger 

Posted by: Darunia Apr 23 2007, 04:53 PM

Hope Dida will be okay, and if he starts hope he will play well.

Too bad Inzaghi is out, but Gila will score his 2nd goal in UEFA hopefully =)

Posted by: m1ke Apr 23 2007, 05:40 PM

if we can get a 0-0

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 23 2007, 06:12 PM

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 23 2007, 06:13 PM

He's a RB/CB/LB/DMF/CM and he's not good in any of those positions 

Posted by: m1ke Apr 23 2007, 07:04 PM

I think it would be very difficult to reach the final if we got a 0-0 at OT - we simply have to score. 1-1 would be great, 0-1 even better

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 23 2007, 07:11 PM

I think it would be very difficult to reach the final if we got a 0-0 at OT - we simply have to score. 1-1 would be great, 0-1 even better

Posted by: vito_online Apr 23 2007, 07:16 PM

Milano SIAMO NOI we're not roma, we're not merd@. Manchester can wins the english championshi & the the curling cup but have no chance on the champion's league just because MILANO SIAMO NOI. Have no fear about this round.... just be confiant !!!!

Just BE CONFIANT. HAVE NO FEAR !!!

Posted by: Portikins Apr 23 2007, 07:45 PM

I think it would be very difficult to reach the final if we got a 0-0 at OT - we simply have to score. 1-1 would be great, 0-1 even better

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 23 2007, 07:57 PM

I don't think we need to score. A 0-0 could be a good result. Well... a draw in Old Trafford is always a good result. We don't have a Crespo or a Shevchenko (Ronaldo can't play) like 2 years ago.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 23 2007, 07:57 PM

a bore draw ?!

If Milan don't capitalize on United's injury problem at the back, then what's the point of taking the game to the 2nd leg

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 23 2007, 08:03 PM

a bore draw ?! 

If Milan don't capitalize on United's injury problem at the back, then what's the point of taking the game to the 2nd leg 

Posted by: han2503 Apr 23 2007, 08:04 PM

Good news guys, was just watching MUTV, Dida was training and he looked like he was 100% ready.

Also Gila got a new hairdo. A bit Rino Gattuso, Fabio Cannavaro World Cup era inspired

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 23 2007, 08:09 PM

Good news guys, was just watching MUTV, Dida was training and he looked like he was 100% ready.

Also Gila got a new hairdo. A bit Rino Gattuso, Fabio Cannavaro World Cup era inspired 

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 23 2007, 08:10 PM

I think the toughest test our players will face is the silent treatment they will get from the United fans, it's horribly quiet at Old Trafford. ¬_¬

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 23 2007, 08:11 PM

Good news guys, was just watching MUTV, Dida was training and he looked like he was 100% ready.

Also Gila got a new hairdo. A bit Rino Gattuso, Fabio Cannavaro World Cup era inspired 

Posted by: han2503 Apr 23 2007, 08:12 PM

Pics please 

Posted by: han2503 Apr 23 2007, 08:13 PM

Sky Sports News said it's likely Dida WILL start.

They're probably just trying to give United fans false hope. 

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 23 2007, 08:26 PM

lol Livechat is empty... as usual it would be cool if the whole forum went into live chat like 10 mins before the game ... yes no?? maybe/?!!!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 23 2007, 08:29 PM

lol Livechat is empty... as usual it would be cool if the whole forum went into live chat like 10 mins before the game ... yes no?? maybe/?!!!

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 23 2007, 08:31 PM

What's Livechat? I've never even heard of it.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 23 2007, 08:34 PM

LOL HAHAHAHAH......... oh wait youre not jokking....
go to the top right of the forum and press live chat, im in there lol

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 23 2007, 08:36 PM

Nope, no joking.. I've only been on here about 50 days. 

Posted by: Darunia Apr 23 2007, 09:20 PM

Maybe the new look will do Gila good...

Posted by: KillerMax Apr 23 2007, 09:43 PM

Maybe the new look will do Gila good...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 23 2007, 09:49 PM

It better or I myself will do him good!!!

Posted by: KillerMax Apr 23 2007, 09:59 PM

I think I'll join ya

Posted by: rhy_A4 Apr 23 2007, 10:05 PM

For anyone living in the Uk turn your tv on at 12pm ITV 3 is showing UEFA Champions League Weekly could be good

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 23 2007, 10:14 PM

For anyone living in the Uk turn your tv on at 12pm ITV 3 is showing  UEFA Champions League Weekly could be good

Posted by: maldini03 Apr 23 2007, 10:17 PM

Who do u think the starting XI are going to be?

I think :

Dida
Oddo-------Nesta------------Maldidi-------Janku

Gattuso--------Pirlo---------Serginho??

Seedorf------Kaka

Gila

Posted by: misha Apr 23 2007, 10:22 PM

Who do u think the starting XI are going to be?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 23 2007, 10:25 PM

Posted by: Portikins Apr 23 2007, 10:26 PM

Posted by: Portikins Apr 23 2007, 10:29 PM

Like mish said above... the 11 for tomorrow:

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 23 2007, 10:36 PM

We're too predictable with our line-up.

But I'm confident we can get something out of the game.

We didn't need Sheva to beat 'em last time, we still don't.

Posted by: Portikins Apr 23 2007, 10:40 PM

We're too predictable with our line-up.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 23 2007, 10:53 PM

Like mish said above... the 11 for tomorrow:

Posted by: m1ke Apr 23 2007, 10:55 PM

I was thinking about the Xmas tree, but don't you think that'll leave our wings a bit exposed?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 23 2007, 11:01 PM

I dunno m1ke. I'd expect Janku and Oddo to hang back this time. And Rino and Ambro to stay behind too to cut space for the wings.
I would be something like...

a 4-2-1-2-1. A very narrow formation meant for the killer thrust through the center on the counter attack. With the kind of defence they have, I'm 89% sure that's what we plan to play.

With Kaka we've got pace where it can really hurt ManU. And them without a thoroughbred hard man in mid. Even Seedorf will have it easy.

But that being said, like Max and han say .... we're sooooo f@cked

Posted by: Portikins Apr 23 2007, 11:01 PM

I was thinking about the Xmas tree, but don't you think that'll leave our wings a bit exposed?

Posted by: Portikins Apr 23 2007, 11:02 PM

But that being said, like Max and han say .... we're sooooo f@cked

Posted by: redbabies Apr 23 2007, 11:33 PM

a 0-0 draw wouldn't do it !!!
it's a very dangerous result.

we need to score there at all costs.

Posted by: MizNelson Apr 24 2007, 12:16 AM

Gattuso with a shaved head looks cool. But with Gilardino, he just...looks as if he's got mange.

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 24 2007, 06:59 AM

damn! 18 pages and the match hasn't even started.


training

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 24 2007, 07:09 AM

Man U - Milan - http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=287315

Will Ronaldo rule the roost or will Kaka silence the home fans? Will youthful vigour triumph, or will the scars of battle prove decisive? It's the clash of the titans at Old Trafford, and it doesn't get bigger!


It will just be the first half of what promises to be a dramatic affair, but while the fat lady might only sing at the San Siro, the tone in which she will could well be set at Old Trafford.

Manchester United will head into this game looking to win, and win well, but it's a very slippery road they will be treading on.

The Breaking Game

Just what will be a good result, is something the Red Devils will have to contemplate very maturely, keeping in mind Milan's ability on the break. A couple of mistakes, and they could be staring down the barrel before they know it.

Sir Alex Ferguson will surely know that even a goalless draw will not be a disaster. It's that day and age!

Milan, on the other hand, will hope for nothing less than United coming right at them. With two lines of four, and Kaka behind the sole striker, their's is a style set up perfectly for the break.

The central defensive partnership of Nesta and Maldini might be down on pace, but they more than make up through experience and positioning. And with Gattuso and Ambrosini forming the first line of defence, United will need to produce their best. It will be one fabulous game of cat and mouse.

Who Is Better?

Then, of course, there is the battle for supremacy between two contemporary (or should I say still up and coming, you choose) greats of the game. The debate has been going on for two weeks and the verdict will be handed out pretty soon now.

Kaka and Ronaldo will both be kept on a leash, make no mistake, for both managers – European Cup winners – know that they are to their attacks as air is to the lungs. A lack, and they collapse.

Sir Alex Ferguson has insisted that they are both right up there, while Maldini has returned the compliment by hailing the Portuguese winger as one of the best players in the world at the moment. The one thing that has come out is that there is plenty of respect, but no fear. Just as the game should be played!

United They Must Stand

The cloud hanging over Manchester United's defensive set-up hands Milan just that edge, and the neutrals will be forgiven for backing Milan to get at least a goal, if not more. Ferdinand, Vidic and Neville will be very sorely missed, and while I would like to take nothing away from the Browns and O'Sheas, it could yet prove to be the decisive factor over the two legs.

Gone are the days when these two-legged affairs were high-scoring encounters. The past four champions – Milan, Porto, Liverpool and Barcelona – were among the best defensive sides in the competition. Indeed, even the adventurous Barcelona conceded just three goals in seven games in the knock-out stages last year.

Under the circumstances you have to worry for United all the more. Needless to say, there is a 'but'.

Another Test For Maldini

It is not all a picture of gloom for Manchester United (if you got that impression, then rest assured, I am just getting started). Milan's big worry will be that early goal that could send Old Trafford wild, and the Red Devils into overdrive.

The Rossoneri might be too seasoned to get scared off by that, but once Milan come out to attack, the tie suddenly shifts into United's favour, with their pace finding just the spaces to make the difference.

The longer Maldini and Co. can keep it scoreless, the more frustrated the young and inexperienced United players are likely to get. But just how long will that be. Maldini might be a legend, but we know very well that he lacks the energy to put in his best for the entire 90 minutes.

It showed even in the 2-0 win over Bayern, and rest assured, Manchester United are, at the moment, a few rungs up the ladder compared to Ottmar Hitzfeld's Bavarians. Their assault is the kind Milan have yet to be hit by in Europe this year, having faced minnows Andrelecht, Lille, AEK, Celtic and Bayern.

In fact, given Barcelona recent slips, and Arsenal's continued inability to finish off their moves, it would be fair to say that the Red Devils are the best attacking team in Europe at the moment. Coping against that will take every ounce of the experience this team has.

Then of course, the likes of Gattuso will not be making up the numbers. All in all, at the risk of belabouring the obvious, an absolute classic in the making.

TEAM NEWS

Manchester United

Defenders Gary Neville, Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic are surely out, as is striker Lous Saha. Patrice Evra and Kieran Richardson are both doubtful, but should make the squad at the very least.

Ferguson will be forced into a make-shift defensive partnership of Wes Brown and Gabriel Heinze. Should Evra be fir to start, John O'Shea will take up Neville's spot, else it will be Darren Fletcher on the right and O'Shea on the left.

There will no no susprises up front, with Ronaldo and Giggs swapping flanks just ahead of Carrick and Scholes, and Wayne Rooney and Alan Smith leading the line.

Probable Line-Ups (4-4-2): Van der Sar - Fletcher, Brown, Heinze, O'Shea/Evra - Ronaldo, Scholes, Carrick, Giggs - Rooney, Smith.

AC Milan

Dida is still doubtful, but recent reports suggest that he might just be fit enough to start. Ancelotti will follow the age old adage of not fixing what ain't broken, and stick with the same eleven that completed the job in Munich.

Nesta and Maldini will be flanked by Oddo and Jankulovski, who will together be instructed to keep tabs on Ronaldo and Giggs. Gattuso, Ambrosini, Pirlo and Seedorf will form a midfield that will give precious little away, and Kaka will sit in the hole just behind Inzaghi.

Probable Line-Ups (4-4-1-1): Dida/Kalac - Oddo, Nesta, Maldini, Jankulovski - Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini, Seedorf - Kaka - Inzaghi.

PLAYERS TO WATCH

Enough has been said about Ronaldo and Kaka, so it would only be fair to focus elsewhere.

Inzaghi: The seasoned hit-man's ability to pop up with decisive goals at just the right time will be a huge threat for Ferguson's make-shift defence. Heinze will be on his heels, rest assured.

Giggs: The wily Welshman knows all about the big stage, and showed his class with a breathtaking display during the 7-1 win over Roma. He has tasted European glory, and is desperate for another shot of the tonic before he hangs up his boots.

Pirlo: His distribution so often helps Milan break into just the space that has been left behind their opponents. His vision is second to none in the game, even though he is not having hsi best season.

Scholes: I could go on about the youthful exuberance of this Manchester United side, but it is his experience that pulls them together in the middle of the pitch. He and Giggs will be the soul of this time for a while yet.

PREDICTION

I don't dare make one. If forced, I would bet on Manchester United conceding a goal, and also on the Red Devils not losing the leg.

Abhishek Thakur

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 07:28 AM

a 0-0 draw wouldn't do it !!!
it's a very dangerous result.

we need to score there at all costs.

Posted by: mishie Apr 24 2007, 08:35 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDCC_QzF0Hc
just a little something to get the juices flowing ready for tonight!!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 24 2007, 08:58 AM

Milan will win it by at least 2 goals .. FORZA MILAN

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 09:07 AM

Milan will win it by at least 2 goals .. FORZA MILAN

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 24 2007, 09:16 AM

We have no chance of going through 

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 24 2007, 09:24 AM

FORA MILAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN


thanks for the vid mishie

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 24 2007, 09:27 AM

i like the 4-4-1-1 for away game and 4-3-2-1 for home

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 24 2007, 09:32 AM

If we win inshallah, tomorrow I will go up to my Man U friend and make fun of him so much LOL

Posted by: mishie Apr 24 2007, 09:43 AM

We have no chance of going through 

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 09:43 AM

If we win inshallah, tomorrow I will go up to my Man U friend and make fun of him so much LOL

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 09:44 AM

Mishie, read my post above, it's the new "tactic"

Posted by: mishie Apr 24 2007, 09:48 AM

oopps

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 24 2007, 09:55 AM

Remember there are TWO legs to be played. So I wouldn't count my chickens as early as that.

@R7, note the pessimistic new way of thinking after the Bayern game 

But your over confidence is too much imo. They have fast players that could expose us beyond belief. And even though I'm certain we won't go down the Roma route, make no mistake, they will at least score 1 on us. It's a matter of if we can take advantage of their leaky defence. Kaka, Pirlo and Clarence must all play at the top of their game

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 09:55 AM

@ mishie, I thought you would have picked up on it by now

But nevertheless, it doesn't mean I'm confident or anything like that, Just want the guys to go out there and try to get the best result they can going into the second leg.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 09:57 AM

Yeah I do remember, but I also know this for a fact; if Milan could beat the odds at the Allienz and proceed to the semis, then Milan will be in the final. No matter if we would face Roma or United.

It is just two games that Milan need to play. And Milan have a decent cushion in the league, so all focus is on United and Athena.

Think what ever u want and be pessimistic, but I do believe Milan will go through, and this match in OT, Milan will conquer just to avenge Roma.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 24 2007, 10:01 AM

You also have to keep in mind that United are probably 5 times better then Bayern.
It's easy to say that it's just 2 games that we need to play, but you know that it is much more complicated then that.
I haven't trusted your predictions so far this season   

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 24 2007, 10:10 AM

This is going to be such a historic match.... Probably best match I will ever see

Posted by: KillerMax Apr 24 2007, 10:11 AM

3:1 to Man U

No doubt!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 10:12 AM

Ofcourse they are, that is why I said Milan beat the odds at the Allienz and not beat Bayern

I don't think United are as strong as u want them to be or u make them, they are #1 in EPL, but they didn't actually play a team worthy of recognition up until today in Europe. And I believe tonight will decide the fate of Milan and United and we will have to wait and see

Forza Milan !

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 10:12 AM

3:1 to Man U

No doubt!

Posted by: dst Apr 24 2007, 10:15 AM

Posted by: mishie Apr 24 2007, 10:26 AM

to me (and i know i'm gonna get slaughtered for this) manure aren't as good as they and the english media think they are. if it wasn't for chelsea's injury crisis they would be top a 1 off performance against Roma and the **** Ferguson was even saying in the press this morning that was a once in a lifetime game! there isn't a department on the pitch they can compare to us. Yes they have rooney who is a decent player nothing special over-hyped like most english players are, obviously the fake ronaldo is something to be concerned about but not worried about. sure i'm probably blinded by my passionate hate for manure but my rational side tells me that for a C.L semi-final they aren't good enough to beat us

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 10:32 AM

to me (and i know i'm gonna get slaughtered for this) manure aren't as good as they and the english media think they are. if it wasn't for chelsea's injury crisis they would be top a 1 off performance against Roma and the **** Ferguson was even saying in the press this morning that was a once in a lifetime game! there isn't a department on the pitch they can compare to us. Yes they have rooney who is a decent player nothing special over-hyped like most english players are, obviously the fake ronaldo is something to be concerned about but not worried about. sure i'm probably blinded by my passionate hate for manure but my rational side tells me that for a C.L semi-final they aren't good enough to beat us 

Posted by: mishie Apr 24 2007, 10:39 AM

Pirlo will be important to us even more than usual in the deep lying role. even tho he can't tackle him being there in the space between the defence and midfield will narrow the space for the fake ronaldo to work in and i'l use my coaching brain here and would expect him to work across the back 4 more than usual. Rino always helps out his full-back so the left shouldn't be a problem and Clarence will need to work back for Janku, sometimes with pirlo floating across the back 4 we may treble up where possible as the manure full-back aren't such a threat as ours imo

Posted by: arivanjj Apr 24 2007, 10:42 AM

3:1 to Man U

No doubt!

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 24 2007, 10:57 AM

Like mish said above... the 11 for tomorrow:

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 11:06 AM

I played Winning Eleven again. with the correct options set (field, players etc)

Man United 1 - 3 Milan

at the 4th Ambrosini scores an opening goal when the ball bounces off the goalie's hand from Gila's shot

21th Rooney scores an incredible free kick

11min 2nd half a pass from kaka to Gila and its a goal !!!!!! 

41th Pirlo takes the corner, shoots it low.... Gila header !!!!!!!
I guess Max's prediction is right

Posted by: dst Apr 24 2007, 11:10 AM

This one is pretty hard to believe, if this was a Serie A match then I would believe it, but Gila scoring twice in the CL??!

Posted by: fresh_prince7 Apr 24 2007, 11:13 AM

Haha.. gila double in the semi final of the champions league at old trafford..

What odds we giving out here for that to happen like 20000:1.

Will put a $1 on it.

Ball might hit him twice and go in.

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 24 2007, 11:13 AM

This one is pretty hard to believe, if this was a Serie A match then I would believe it, but Gila scoring twice in the CL??!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 11:16 AM

The goal scorers are probably wrong, the 3 matches that I predicted and came true had different goal scorers but you never know what Milan will do 

and also

SILVIO BERLUSCONI SPURS MILAN
4/24/2007
Silvio Berlusconi spoke to Radio Anch'io on Milan's line-up this evening against Manchester United in the Champions League. 'Kakà will play in support of Gilardino,' said the president. 'Seedorf will play in Kakà position. and I think Jankulovski will mark the very dangerous Ronaldo.' (Ansa)
So does this mean 2 strikers??!?!?!?!? What does he mean support?

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 24 2007, 11:26 AM

Seedorf playing between Gila and Seedorf?? .. I like that but wtf is punta???

Posted by: tom_valtellina Apr 24 2007, 01:11 PM

Just on a different matter, I think we will be wearing our all-black strip tonight. Man United's CL strip is red shirt with white shorts and white socks, so our all-white strip will clash with it too much. Not sure if there are any omens to be read into that!

We should always believe in our players and that includes Gila! I would love it for Gila to score a goal in this tie.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 01:33 PM

Seedorf playing between Gila and Seedorf?? .. I like that but wtf is punta???

Just on a different matter, I think we will be wearing our all-black strip tonight. Man United's CL strip is red shirt with white shorts and white socks, so our all-white strip will clash with it too much. Not sure if there are any omens to be read into that!

We should always believe in our players and that includes Gila! I would love it for Gila to score a goal in this tie.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 01:37 PM

btw, here is Gila with the new "hair"

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/73955052.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19318A31BE3974C4F057C934CDCFAD099E3

Posted by: jefri91 Apr 24 2007, 01:48 PM

btw, here is Gila with the new "hair"

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/73955052.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19318A31BE3974C4F057C934CDCFAD099E3

Posted by: tom_valtellina Apr 24 2007, 01:55 PM

You're right Han. If the Man U v Milan 2005 first leg is anything to go by then we will be in white kits. Man U wore red shirts with black shorts and black socks that night and we were in all white. Forgot about that.

You can tell I'm anxious for the game to start because I'm even analyising what kits we will wear!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 02:06 PM

You're right Han. If the Man U v Milan 2005 first leg is anything to go by then we will be in white kits. Man U wore red shirts with black shorts and black socks that night and we were in all white. Forgot about that.

You can tell I'm anxious for the game to start because I'm even analyising what kits we will wear!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2007, 02:37 PM

Posted by: m1ke Apr 24 2007, 02:37 PM

Managed to get a spare ticket - got 4 hours to drive to Manchester. Pics to follow...