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han2503
post Sep 2 2014, 09:06 AM
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I was going to post this yesterday but I left it for today, which is a shame since people are rating the mercato in the transfers thread already. (Maybe we can move those posts here so we can close that thread?)

This is a rundown of the transfers we made and the profits/money spent on transfers.

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We loaned even more Primavera kids than in these charts but majority of them never even stepped onto the pitch for us. I used various sources to get my numbers, mostly Gazzetta for the wages to try to be as accurate as I can with the number
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post Sep 2 2014, 09:19 AM
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Making a transfer profit in a season without CL is crucial. Fair play to the management here.
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post Sep 2 2014, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 2 2014, 09:19 AM) *
Making a transfer profit in a season without CL is crucial. Fair play to the management here.

Can we move your rating post over here jack, so we can close that transfer thread and open a winter one?
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post Sep 2 2014, 10:45 AM
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Yeah. Which post though? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I've been at work all day, so I've posted quite a lot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Sep 2 2014, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 2 2014, 12:45 PM) *
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I've been at work all day, so I've posted quite a lot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Sep 2 2014, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 2 2014, 10:45 AM) *
Yeah. Which post though? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I've been at work all day, so I've posted quite a lot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Nice Jack

The one where you analysed out transfer market (the long one) did you write that while at work as well? FOR SHAME!!!
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post Sep 2 2014, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 2 2014, 06:03 PM) *
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Nice Jack

The one where you analysed out transfer market (the long one) did you write that while at work as well? FOR SHAME!!!


Yeah. I was waiting for some other people to complete something that I needed to get done. I couldn't twiddle my fingers, whereas typing furiously on the keyboard fools enough people into thinking you're busy.

My post coming up next.
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 2 2014, 01:46 PM) *
Summer transfer window closes and Galliani zone was in full effect. I loved it. It leads me to believe that we're getting some groove back, some of our old habits are resurfacing. I'm actually optimistic about this season.

My opinions on the transfer window : 7.5 /10 Or I'd give it a B+. It would have been an A if we had sold Balo for around 10 million more.

I don't have too much complaints about Bonaventura. I see no point in keeping Cristante as one for the future when what we need is someone who can come in and deliver in the present. Galliani tried to push him on loan to Benfica or to other Serie A sides. He refused the loan. Also refused a move within Italy.

Instead we got a highly rated 25 year old (That's still relatively young) who has the same name as myself, and who cried with joy when he signed the contract. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Bonaventura is an excellent player who always f@cks up Inter when they play against him, he can play wide or through the middle. Mostly an AM, not a mezzala, but will give us cover for Honda and SeS besides slotting in the mid-3.

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On the transfer window, I think it was an excellent garage clean up. We've made two mistakes in purchasing Agazzi and selling Balo for at least 5 million too less. But we've cleared out a lot of dead-wood and made some good acquisitions for players who will only be playing in one tournament.

I still think we could have gotten rid of 2 more players to cut down the squad size. I feel we don't need a squad size of more than 24 and now we have 27. I would prefer to have Essien, Albertazzi and Saponara out , the latter two on loan.

As for Cristante and playing time, I mentioned this before. For the mid-3 we had 8 players.

1. De Jong
2. Montolivo
3. Muntari
4. Poli
5. van Ginkel
6. Essien
7. Saponara
8. Cristante

I'm listing them in the order with which they're picked into the team. And two players in consecutive arrangement are interchangeable. For example, it's an either/or between Muntari and Poli based on fitness and tactics.

Once again 8 players for 3 positions. For argument's sake let me assume that Essien is crap, and Cristante is better than Saponara in the mid three. Even then he moves up at max to position 6 and perhaps competes with van Ginkel?

van Ginkel is definitely a better player than Cristante at this stage- a better passer and a better scorer of goals and 2 years older than Bryan.

So all in all at this rate, Cristante AT BEST doesn't get more than 10-15 games a season with us in this team. He's at an age and a talent level where he needs to play 20+ games to ever develop into something good. But those 20+ games are going to be a series of B-level performances until he builds up skill to be a starter. Perhaps 3 or 4 years down the line?

Milan cannot have B-level performances from someone in the mid-3, because we are playing a 4-3-3 and we'll get screwed AND the rest of the team isn't as strong to compensate for one player not being good enough in that area.

No player in the modern day has the patience to sit around and wait. All our players who have left the team left because we couldn't give them space. And all of them took their own period of playing 20 games a season before they shone elsewhere.

For e.g. Aubameyang? 4 years in the wilderness of Ligue 1(playing an average of 20 games a season) before he broke big into St.Etienne and subsequently into Dortmund.
The same with Matteo Darmian, who spent the same 4 years in Serie A wilderness before breaking big last year with Torino.


Cristante did not want a loan. He didn't want Serie A for reasons I respect. He's joined Benfica, probably under Rui Costa's wing. I dearly hope we have got a buy back option for sentimental reasons. I don't see him becoming much more than a starter for tier-2 teams at the current rate. For context, we bought SeS at the exact same age as Cristante is now, for more than double the price. And we hardly consider SeS to be a world class athlete.

The last player who I can think of, who did stick with the team through this growing up period as a part-timer before establishing himself fully was Ambrosini. Of course he got the benefits of it, but that's very rare that a player will sacrifice his early years plying along as a substitute.

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This youth project thing everyone harps about - comes at a cost. The cost being present performances. Our youth players at the moment are not at the level of Bayern Munich or Barcelona (the gold standards), at the same time it's not too bad, since our players are actually finding playing time in the top leagues. We shall improve gradually of course. But it's impossible to have a 2-3 year turn around time of youth products.

Even Chelsea and Man City with near infinite resources have failed at this.

We shall probably be some time till we get prodigies who in their teens can walk into the first team. Until then be patient on the youth project.

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post Sep 2 2014, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 2 2014, 11:38 AM) *
Yeah. I was waiting for some other people to complete something that I needed to get done. I couldn't twiddle my fingers, whereas typing furiously on the keyboard fools enough people into thinking you're busy.

My post coming up next.

I was hoping that instead of quoting it we could move the entire line of posts you and Danny posted in the transfers thread over here so the discussion can continue and we can close that thread out now that the window is closed. Is it possible to do that? I've never tried.

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post Sep 2 2014, 12:37 PM
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According to GdS, Milan had the 3rd best mercato in Serie A.

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...I have to say, I am pleased overall.

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: http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?s...mp;#entry396292


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post Sep 2 2014, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Sep 2 2014, 12:37 PM) *
According to GdS, Milan had the 3rd best mercato in Serie A.

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...I have to say, I am pleased overall.

See my earlier post
: http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?s...mp;#entry396292

Like we were talking about in the Serie A thread, Juve are mostly getting that mark based on the fact that they didn't lose Vidal and Pogba, other than that, they didn't really make any signings to really improve their squad to go from just steamrolling Serie A to CL contenders
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I'd say 7.

I think letting Balo go for a relatively small amount and not replacing him with any kind of real quality loses some marks. I'm also disappointed with selling Cristante. A few transfers, like Torres, that I'm not happy with.

However I think we bought in quite a bit of depth for not much money. Rami and Alex mean 4 serviceable CBs now. Glad to have Poli permanently, Armero is a big upgrade on Constant and will mean MDS being injured isn't as big of an issue now. Bonaventura I'm pleased with, same with Menez. Diego Lopez is a very good signing.
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post Sep 2 2014, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 2 2014, 01:03 PM) *
I'd say 7.

I think letting Balo go for a relatively small amount and not replacing him with any kind of real quality loses some marks. I'm also disappointed with selling Cristante. A few transfers, like Torres, that I'm not happy with.

However I think we bought in quite a bit of depth for not much money. Rami and Alex mean 4 serviceable CBs now. Glad to have Poli permanently, Armero is a big upgrade on Constant and will mean MDS being injured isn't as big of an issue now. Bonaventura I'm pleased with, same with Menez. Diego Lopez is a very good signing.

Agreed on most counts, the Balo transfer mostly p!ssed me off because of the relatively small fee Liverpool paid us in this current market climate, not to mention the fact that they spent big money on much lesser players like Lovren and Lallana.

However, footballing wise, I think it was a good move, I'm not predicting that Torres will be a prolific scorer for us, but I think he'll fit Pippo's system much better

As I've said I'm pretty indifferent to Cristante's departure, 6m for a kid who's only made 5 pro appearances with only 1 being as a starter is good business, and until Benfica sell him for 30m or something we can't really say it was otherwise at this point
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post Sep 2 2014, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 2 2014, 12:18 PM) *
Agreed on most counts, the Balo transfer mostly p!ssed me off because of the relatively small fee Liverpool paid us in this current market climate,


Real paid £20M for Kroos - who's surely worth double that in this climate.
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post Sep 2 2014, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 2 2014, 09:51 PM) *
Real paid £20M for Kroos - who's surely worth double that in this climate.

Last I read it was 34m Euros, don't know if the £ -> € would bring that conversion, but 34m is a lot of money still.

We sold Balo too cheaply, especially when Liverpool spent £25m on Lallana and were the second highest spenders in the EPL.

They bought Carroll for twice what we sold them Balo for (!!), It's the usual with us, Galliani just lowballs prices for our players. You think if Balo was at Porto for example, even with all his problems, they would let him go for just €20m??
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