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QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 2 2020, 08:37 AM) *
Okay, Brahim Diaz and Tonali is kind of official now.

Who would you like to see us sign next?


I'm already pretty happy with this transfer season! I would really like us to sign one big star if possible (in the RW position like X-off), but I know with the money we have at our disposition this will be difficult. I'm surprised though, we should have much more money available this year since we managed to sell Suso and company.


Apart from just Suso... We've managed to reduce our wage bill quite significantly so far.

https://sempremilan.com/mn-almost-e30m-cut-...important-trend


Maldini & team have been conducting some impressive work so far already. And although I would like reinforcements to several positions still. I'm already pretty pleased with what has been put in place thus far (re: Tonali, Diaz et al)

Don't want to get ahead of myself but we're also linked with a certain highly rated RW from Florence (but... I'm not calling his name cuz I don't wanna jinx it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) & I'm not holding my breath as I don't wanna get my hopes up, cuz it seems like a long shot; but... If we pull that off - Impressive, impressive stuff!) Rumored at the moment to be a potential Paqueta + cash swap in the works.

And not to be greedy or overly hopeful (but, once the right players exit and given the reinforcements that are supposed to be arriving, reach, we're already in a much improved state on paper)... But the defence still needs reinforcements... LB (sub), RB (both have had hot and cold seasons, Calabria finished off a bit bitter, but they lack consistency. Conti is also as fragile as wet cardboard it seems. And we don't really have an out and out ST backup to Ibra (apart from Colombo at this point), but I feel like we can get away with Rebic or Leao in alternative roles for a bit.

The transfer season still has a month to go, so a lot can change still... Not to mention the other teams in the league are also going to be reinforcing, so it's hard to make concrete predictions. However we seem to be on the right path for a top 4 finish.

Our midfield on paper is of great quality for the first time in ages, and should be of quality to improve in the future as well.

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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 30 2020, 01:09 PM) *
I think you're off with the remarks on Bakayoko. Yes, he made some stupid gestures with the Lazio shirt and was fined but overall the player showed heart, passion and quality for Milan. He was very motivated and the fact that he's willing to halve his salary just for Milan whereas I'm sure he could find another team says plenty to me.

But I don't see us signing Diaz, Tonali and Bakayoko. I mean where would then Hakan, Kessie and Bennacer fit in? And I don't hear any rumors about us selling Kessie or someone interested.

Anyway, is Tonali really that good? Haven't seen Brescia last season.

It looks like we're signing all 3.

Pioli has said himself that he wants a team with 14 starters, that means players of a certain quality won't always play. I think we sometimes forget the days we had Rui Costa, Stam, Serginho, Ambro etc on the bench

We have a lot of games to play next season, we need a deep enough squad that isn't just about quantity, but quality as well.

Think of games in previous season where we played well against teams like Juve, but once the 70th minute came along we crumbled because they can bring on D. Costa or Mandzukic, while we bring on Krunic.

Bakayoko, Tonali, Kessie and Benaccer is a top notch midfield 4 who will all get more than enough playing time.

Are we really going to complain that we have too much quality now? After a decade long of mediocrity?

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 31 2020, 06:41 PM) *
Apparently we're determined to sign Bakayoko as well. That's a bit perplexing. Four starting mids for two roles? How's that gonna work out?

Why? We need 4 starters for that double pivot. If Bennacer gets injured we are royally screwed

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 2 2020, 12:37 PM) *
Okay, Brahim Diaz and Tonali is kind of official now.

Who would you like to see us sign next?


I'm already pretty happy with this transfer season! I would really like us to sign one big star if possible (in the RW position like X-off), but I know with the money we have at our disposition this will be difficult. I'm surprised though, we should have much more money available this year since we managed to sell Suso and company.

For me, the ideal player to join would be Chiesa.

He's a hardworking RW who's fast and has great end product. A perfect compliment to Pioli's style imo

I still think we also need a RB and CB as well. But Chiesa is the dream for me this summer
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 3 2020, 04:13 PM) *
Why? We need 4 starters for that double pivot. If Bennacer gets injured we are royally screwed


So, what would the starting duo be? Let's assume Bennacer-Tonali. You think Kessie and especially Bakayoko would prefer to warm the bench only to play when it's required?

And I hate heavy rotation.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 3 2020, 04:13 PM) *
For me, the ideal player to join would be Chiesa.

He's a hardworking RW who's fast and has great end product. A perfect compliment to Pioli's style imo

I still think we also need a RB and CB as well. But Chiesa is the dream for me this summer


Chiesa would be great. He's right-footed, which is not ideal for 4-2-3-1, but nevertheless he'd be a huge signing for us. Too bad Fiorentina are asking for 70M.
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Have not been on this forum for a while :-)

First of all, congrats Fillipo !!!

In any case, I went back to the start of the year to "catch up". Lots of negativity, partly justified under the circumstances. The beginning of the season was a complete disaster (sadly, I had high expectation for Giampaolo). We had an amazing run towards the end, but it remains to be seen if we can sustain this. Pioli seems to have figured out how to get the most out of our players (which not that many coaches are able to do), but his track record has me slightly worried.

The transfer market so far has been promising (in particular, stealing Tonali from Merda felt very good, I believe he has a lot of potential). Diaz should be a good addition as well (though I would have preferred something other than a dry loan). Did not see yesterday's game, but it looks like Roback is amazingly good for a 17-year old (and I would not be surprised if we see him playing from time to time in the first team). Somewhat disappointed in Kalulu (though he may just need more time).

It is good to see Ibra back (he may be old, but he adds a lot to the team, in particular instilling a winning mentality), and we have gotten rid of some of our dead weight (e.g. Biglia). However, we still have players that do not belong, like Duarte, Halilović, and even Paq (yes, he scored yesterday, but he is slow and needs space to do well, so I do not see him being successful given how we play now).

I think we still have some serious "holes" that remain to be filled if we are to reach CL (which we absolutely need to do). Our CBs are too slow (and we do not have enough "depth" in this area). Our entire right is sub-par (Samu is a bit underrated in this forum, but I agree we need better). Also, we need more depth in midfield (Baka would be a good addition). I think we are covered up front (Leao is another player that is underrated in this forum, give him more time and he will blossom with help from Ibra).

I see questions as to why we are getting multiple players competing for the same role (e.g. 4 players for 2 slots - Kessie, Benna, Tonali, and possibly Baka). The reality is that we will need that this year. Serie A schedule is more compressed; we play EL (and I hope we will take it seriously), which means Thursday matches; and we now get 5 subs, which will benefit teams that have a good bench. So depth is important (more than in the past), and I believe good coverage in the double pivot is critical (and, in fact, Pioli requested 4 good players in this area). I can argue that one of the reasons Kessie has been inconsistent is that we have played him all the time, which is not sustainable.

Finally, I will make a controversial statement. Lots of negativity around Elliot in this forum. While I am not a big fan of Gazidis, I am real happy that we are finally running the club as a business. With all that B&G did for us, at the end they are responsible for sending us down the path of mediocrity. With FFP, the only way to be successful is to have solid financial management (something we never got with B&G and we are getting with Elliot).

At a personal level, I became a grandpa at the end of last year, so I am enjoying the new experience :-)

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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 3 2020, 05:19 PM) *
So, what would the starting duo be? Let's assume Bennacer-Tonali. You think Kessie and especially Bakayoko would prefer to warm the bench only to play when it's required?

And I hate heavy rotation.

With a compressed Serie A schedule, EL, and 5 subs ... we are going to rotate.

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Chiesa would be great. He's right-footed, which is not ideal for 4-2-3-1, but nevertheless he'd be a huge signing for us. Too bad Fiorentina are asking for 70M.

I did not expect Tonali to happen, yet it did :-).

Commisso is not in a great place to negotiate, Chiesa made it clear he wants to leave (he is a Milan fan, BTW), and if Commisso waits until next year Chiesa's value will plummet. Also, the Viola would like to see some money out of Rebic (they get half of his resale value), and they have some interest in Paq. Bottom line, not easy but not impossible either.

Question is, there are other areas that are more critical AFAIAC (like the CB situation), will we have the transfer funds to cover all we need?
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 3 2020, 07:29 PM) *
Have not been on this forum for a while :-)

First of all, congrats Fillipo !!!

In any case, I went back to the start of the year to "catch up". Lots of negativity, partly justified under the circumstances. The beginning of the season was a complete disaster (sadly, I had high expectation for Giampaolo). We had an amazing run towards the end, but it remains to be seen if we can sustain this. Pioli seems to have figured out how to get the most out of our players (which not that many coaches are able to do), but his track record has me slightly worried.

The transfer market so far has been promising (in particular, stealing Tonali from Merda felt very good, I believe he has a lot of potential). Diaz should be a good addition as well (though I would have preferred something other than a dry loan). Did not see yesterday's game, but it looks like Roback is amazingly good for a 17-year old (and I would not be surprised if we see him playing from time to time in the first team). Somewhat disappointed in Kalulu (though he may just need more time).

It is good to see Ibra back (he may be old, but he adds a lot to the team, in particular instilling a winning mentality), and we have gotten rid of some of our dead weight (e.g. Biglia). However, we still have players that do not belong, like Duarte, Halilović, and even Paq (yes, he scored yesterday, but he is slow and needs space to do well, so I do not see him being successful given how we play now).

I think we still have some serious "holes" that remain to be filled if we are to reach CL (which we absolutely need to do). Our CBs are too slow (and we do not have enough "depth" in this area). Our entire right is sub-par (Samu is a bit underrated in this forum, but I agree we need better). Also, we need more depth in midfield (Baka would be a good addition). I think we are covered up front (Leao is another player that is underrated in this forum, give him more time and he will blossom with help from Ibra).

I see questions as to why we are getting multiple players competing for the same role (e.g. 4 players for 2 slots - Kessie, Benna, Tonali, and possibly Baka). The reality is that we will need that this year. Serie A schedule is more compressed; we play EL (and I hope we will take it seriously), which means Thursday matches; and we now get 5 subs, which will benefit teams that have a good bench. So depth is important (more than in the past), and I believe good coverage in the double pivot is critical (and, in fact, Pioli requested 4 good players in this area). I can argue that one of the reasons Kessie has been inconsistent is that we have played him all the time, which is not sustainable.

Finally, I will make a controversial statement. Lots of negativity around Elliot in this forum. While I am not a big fan of Gazidis, I am real happy that we are finally running the club as a business. With all that B&G did for us, towards the end they are responsible for sending us down the path of mediocrity. With FFP, the only way to be successful is to have solid financial management (something we never got with B&G and we are getting with Elliot).

At a personal level, I became a Granpa at the end of last year, so I am enjoying the new experience :-)


A grandpa? Wow, that's amazing congratz.

I agree with you, Roback did well yesterday! I would like to see him given some minutes.

I don't agree about the CBs though, I thin we are quite covered in the defensive positions...in my modest opinion.

Everyone is talking about Chiesa...he is good, but is he that good? Injury prone as well, and inconsistent.
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QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 3 2020, 06:50 PM) *
A grandpa? Wow, that's amazing congratz.

I agree with you, Roback did well yesterday! I would like to see him given some minutes.

I don't agree about the CBs though, I thin we are quite covered in the defensive positions...in my modest opinion.

Everyone is talking about Chiesa...he is good, but is he that good? Injury prone as well, and inconsistent.

Roma and Kjaer are ok. However, with high pressing we need someone faster. Also, no depth (Musa and Gabbia are sub-par, Duarte is a massive disappointment).

I guess Chiesa is good enough to make the NT (though Italy no longer is that good, so this does not mean much). He is fast and has good work-rate (so he fits the system). The question is will he adjust to the pressure of a "top team" (well, arguably we no longer are a top team, but we like to think we still are). For example, Bernardeschi flopped at Rube.
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 3 2020, 08:26 PM) *
Roma and Kjaer are ok. However, with high pressing we need someone faster. Also, no depth (Musa and Gabbia are sub-par, Duarte is a massive disappointment).

I guess Chiesa is good enough to make the NT (though Italy no longer is that good, so this does not mean much). He is fast and has good work-rate (so he fits the system). The question is will he adjust to the pressure of a "top team" (well, arguably we no longer are a top team, but we like to think we still are). For example, Bernardeschi flopped at Rube.


Oh come on. Roma is top class, so is Kjaer. Musa is an okay backup. Okay, I agree with the speed argument though. Someone with Thiago Silva characteristics would be nice for sure.

For Chiesa, I'm not saying he sucks, but I don't think he's top class, at least not yet. I'm just saying with 50/60 million, I would have some other nice ideas ;)
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QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 3 2020, 07:55 PM) *
Oh come on. Roma is top class, so is Kjaer. Musa is an okay backup. Okay, I agree with the speed argument though. Someone with Thiago Silva characteristics would be nice for sure.

For Chiesa, I'm not saying he sucks, but I don't think he's top class, at least not yet. I'm just saying with 50/60 million, I would have some other nice ideas (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I don't think we will end up paying 50-60M if we do get Chiesa :-). Either we negotiate something reasonable or we will pass (you are right, there are other options). Will see.

FWIW, I have more faith in Maldini + Elliot than previous regimes. Leo and Mirabelli had a tendency to massively overpay for players (both transfer fees and salaries), the new regime seems to be much better at negotiating deals. B&G towards the end went for the wrong players (over-hyped has-been types, paid massive wages to get them on a bozeman, most of them complete flops), and the talk of building a young team was ... well, all talk.
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 3 2020, 01:29 PM) *
Have not been on this forum for a while :-)

First of all, congrats Fillipo !!!

In any case, I went back to the start of the year to "catch up". Lots of negativity, partly justified under the circumstances. The beginning of the season was a complete disaster (sadly, I had high expectation for Giampaolo). We had an amazing run towards the end, but it remains to be seen if we can sustain this. Pioli seems to have figured out how to get the most out of our players (which not that many coaches are able to do), but his track record has me slightly worried.

The transfer market so far has been promising (in particular, stealing Tonali from Merda felt very good, I believe he has a lot of potential). Diaz should be a good addition as well (though I would have preferred something other than a dry loan). Did not see yesterday's game, but it looks like Roback is amazingly good for a 17-year old (and I would not be surprised if we see him playing from time to time in the first team). Somewhat disappointed in Kalulu (though he may just need more time).

It is good to see Ibra back (he may be old, but he adds a lot to the team, in particular instilling a winning mentality), and we have gotten rid of some of our dead weight (e.g. Biglia). However, we still have players that do not belong, like Duarte, Halilović, and even Paq (yes, he scored yesterday, but he is slow and needs space to do well, so I do not see him being successful given how we play now).

I think we still have some serious "holes" that remain to be filled if we are to reach CL (which we absolutely need to do). Our CBs are too slow (and we do not have enough "depth" in this area). Our entire right is sub-par (Samu is a bit underrated in this forum, but I agree we need better). Also, we need more depth in midfield (Baka would be a good addition). I think we are covered up front (Leao is another player that is underrated in this forum, give him more time and he will blossom with help from Ibra).

I see questions as to why we are getting multiple players competing for the same role (e.g. 4 players for 2 slots - Kessie, Benna, Tonali, and possibly Baka). The reality is that we will need that this year. Serie A schedule is more compressed; we play EL (and I hope we will take it seriously), which means Thursday matches; and we now get 5 subs, which will benefit teams that have a good bench. So depth is important (more than in the past), and I believe good coverage in the double pivot is critical (and, in fact, Pioli requested 4 good players in this area). I can argue that one of the reasons Kessie has been inconsistent is that we have played him all the time, which is not sustainable.

Finally, I will make a controversial statement. Lots of negativity around Elliot in this forum. While I am not a big fan of Gazidis, I am real happy that we are finally running the club as a business. With all that B&G did for us, towards the end they are responsible for sending us down the path of mediocrity. With FFP, the only way to be successful is to have solid financial management (something we never got with B&G and we are getting with Elliot).

At a personal level, I became a Granpa at the end of last year, so I am enjoying the new experience :-)

Great post... I agree with almost everything you've said. Welcome back.

I too have recently started back coming on here.

Congrats on becoming a grandfather!
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Romagnoli is a good defender, but it stops there. He isn't great and he certainly isn't world class. He has had his fair share of games where he not only looks outpaced, but out of sorts.

Speed isn't a requirement of a top defender (just look at Nesta vs Messi), but if you're exposed because of it, it's because the rest of your game is lacking, positioning and awareness.

We have to realize that we have not reestablished ourselves as a top club as yet, so what might be great or acceptable to us, is not a shoe in for other competing sides.

Anyway, this wasn't supposed to be a post bashing our side or our captain. We're currently in a good place (at least where we left off last season). Our CBs can do with some improvement for sure though.

FM said it well...
"Roma and Kjaer are ok. However, with high pressing we need someone faster. Also, no depth (Musa and Gabbia are sub-par, Duarte is a massive disappointment)."

We should be able to get through the season with the defense as it is, but I surely can do with improvement. Only issue is acquiring enough reinforcements for all positions when we are still forced to be frugal.

Maldini & the current management deserve credit though. They've made some errors, but they've been improving immensely.
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 3 2020, 05:41 PM) *
Question is, there are other areas that are more critical AFAIAC (like the CB situation), will we have the transfer funds to cover all we need?


I must be the only soul in the world who thinks RW is our most critical area. At least for CB we have two very good defenders in Romagnoli and Kjaer, but at RW who do we have? Mediocre/rubbish solutions. And for a 4-2-3-1 formation the wings are crucial.

We could probably play Diaz there, I guess. But someone like Chiesa would be a huge step forward. He's not world class, but he brings a lot of quality.
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 3 2020, 05:29 PM) *
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At a personal level, I became a grandpa at the end of last year, so I am enjoying the new experience :-)


Some nice news, my congrats to you. Nice to see something pleasant 'this' year! (ok I know it was last year but hey ho)
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 3 2020, 11:23 PM) *
I must be the only soul in the world who thinks RW is our most critical area. At least for CB we have two very good defenders in Romagnoli and Kjaer, but at RW who do we have? Mediocre/rubbish solutions. And for a 4-2-3-1 formation the wings are crucial.

We could probably play Diaz there, I guess. But someone like Chiesa would be a huge step forward. He's not world class, but he brings a lot of quality.

I think Samu does more for the team than people realize. Plus, as you said, we have Diaz.

OTOH, we need depth in the CB role (as we do for the double pivot). If either Roma or Kjaer gets injured or suspended, what then? If they get to play multiple games a week, how long will they be able to perform at a top level? Musa is still injured and he is not that good, Gabbia is not that good either, and Duarte is real bad.
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 3 2020, 11:25 PM) *
I think Samu does more for the team than people realize. Plus, as you said, we have Diaz.

OTOH, we need depth in the CB role (as we do for the double pivot). If either Roma or Kjaer gets injured or suspended, what then? If they get to play multiple games a week, how long will they be able to perform at a top level? Musa is still injured and he is not that good, Gabbia is not that good either, and Duarte is real bad.


Castillejo does the bare minimum. He's not terrible, but he's not that good either, i.e. mediocre. And don't get me even started on Sale-maker.

As for our CBs, yes, Musacchio is injured, but I actually think he's a very reliable CB. I've always rated him, one of those players that people for some reason have a problem with, like Abate.

Gabbia is alright I guess for 4th choice, and Duarte we haven't really had the possibility to evaluate.

That being said, I agree we need another CB, just wouldn't want us to forget about the RW position for its sake.
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