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Posted by: han2503 Jun 21 2009, 03:18 PM

Berlusconi: Pirlo is sellable

Milan patron Silvio Berlusconi has not ruled out selling Andrea Pirlo and insists Ronaldinho will be important next season.

Pirlo, who is currently on international duty with Italy, is being strongly linked with a move to Chelsea.

“We'll see what happens. I was the first to say that Pirlo has to stay, but then they made me look at the accounts,” Berlusconi said.

He then moved to reassure Milan fans, telling them that the club can go forward without Kaka.

The Brazilian was sold to Real Madrid earlier this month for £59m.

“Kaka did not invent the game of football. Alexandre Pato can substitute him even in that role [behind the strikers],” Berlusconi explained.

Later on, he endorsed Ronaldinho, the two-time former World Player of the Year, who joined Milan last summer.

The 29-year-old endured a poor first season in Italy and often appeared as a substitute.

“Ronaldinho will have a great year,” Berlusconi declared.

He then turned his attention to the amount of money Real Madrid are spending in the transfer market.

“There are figures in football that are pure folly, figures that bear no relation to the normal economy.

“They are outside of common sense and decency,” he added.

Finally, Berlusconi expressed his confidence in Milan, who he expects to do well next season.

“This year we have a great team. We could have already won something last year, but it didn't happen because we lost points in the dying minutes and made mistakes because we didn't hold on to the ball,” he concluded.


Posted by: han2503 Jun 21 2009, 03:20 PM

So it's ok to give Ambro 4.5m a season but it's not ok to keep one of our last true world class players along with Pato.

It's like they're going on a mission to destroy Milan. puke.gif

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jun 21 2009, 03:53 PM

wtf is wrong with our accounts i cant understand it after kaka sale they said that it was all ok balanced

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 21 2009, 03:58 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 21 2009, 03:20 PM) *
So it's ok to give Ambro 4.5m a season but it's not ok to keep one of our last true world class players along with Pato.

It's like they're going on a mission to destroy Milan. puke.gif


We have Ronaldinho the saviour, with him we'll win everything cool.gif

tongue.gif

Posted by: dst Jun 21 2009, 04:51 PM

I'm thinking of all Berlusconi has offered to Milan and still I cannot resist saying this: he is a big ****ing pr***!!! So Pirlo is like not so important and he could be sold for the sake of the accounts and at the same time that classless joker that goes by the name of Ronaldinho is our savior? Come on now, how ridiculous is this, Berlusconi goes nuts over Ronaldinho and is willing to put anyone on the market before him?!?!?! That's just shameless.

**** OFF!!!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 21 2009, 05:49 PM

QUOTE
“We'll see what happens. I was the first to say that Pirlo has to stay, but then they made me look at the accounts"

What an owner he is. Gets us into such a poor financial situation that we need to sell our best player for a World record fee, but even that isn't enough to cover the debts. Nice one Silvio, you never cease to surprise me.


Posted by: A.X Jun 21 2009, 07:14 PM

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AC Milan president Silvio Berlusconi has spoken out against Real Madrid’s huge spending spree in the past few weeks and stated that he feels the transfer fees being brandished about at the moment are "figures of pure madness".

Berlusconi was, of course, directly involved in one of the most controversial transfer moves of the summer, when he urged Brazilian Kaka to leave the San Siro and join Real Madrid for the handsome sum of €65m.

Cristiano Ronaldo’s protracted move to the Bernabeu is also edging closer to completion, and Berlusconi feels that the market dominance of Madrid is having a detrimental effect on the game as a whole.

“These are figures in football that are pure madness," he told La Gazzetta Dello Sport.

“The figures bear no relation to the normal economy, and it is beyond common sense and decency.”

In addition to his remarks on the Spanish giants, he also shrugged off claims that he himself was chasing the big buck by sanctioning the sale of Kaka to Real Madrid in the first place.

“Kaka did not invent football,” said the eccentric Prime Minister.

Berlusconi, however, is not the only high profile individual to speak out against the inflated levels of spending undertaken by Florentino Perez.

Manchester United legend Sir Bobby Charlton called the transfer of Cristiano Ronaldo "vulgar", while Dutch maestro Johann Cruyff claimed that both Ronaldo and Kaka were "simply not worth the money".

Paul Macdonald, Goal.com

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 21 2009, 07:19 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 21 2009, 05:49 PM) *
What an owner he is. Gets us into such a poor financial situation that we need to sell our best player for a World record fee, but even that isn't enough to cover the debts. Nice one Silvio, you never cease to surprise me.


We sold Ricky for relative peanuts.

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 22 2009, 12:53 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 21 2009, 08:51 AM) *
I'm thinking of all Berlusconi has offered to Milan and still I cannot resist saying this: he is a big ****ing pr***!!! So Pirlo is like not so important and he could be sold for the sake of the accounts and at the same time that classless joker that goes by the name of Ronaldinho is our savior? Come on now, how ridiculous is this, Berlusconi goes nuts over Ronaldinho and is willing to put anyone on the market before him?!?!?! That's just shameless.

**** OFF!!!

+1

Posted by: Habitant Jun 22 2009, 01:24 AM

“This year we have a great team. We could have already won something last year, but it didn't happen because we lost points in the dying minutes and made mistakes because we didn't hold on to the ball,” he concluded.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif i'm sorry he must be a fcking idiot

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 22 2009, 01:47 AM

QUOTE (Habitant @ Jun 21 2009, 05:24 PM) *
“This year we have a great team. We could have already won something last year, but it didn't happen because we lost points in the dying minutes and made mistakes because we didn't hold on to the ball,” he concluded.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif i'm sorry he must be a fcking idiot

Seriously. How do you say "space cadet" in Italian?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 22 2009, 06:21 AM

This is unfortunate. There was a time when Silvio's megalomania was married to his drive and work ethic. Now only the mania remains. sleep.gif

Fine...sell Pirlo. I don't care anymore! FWIW, I hope he lands in Chelsea. I just can't support Madrid wholeheartedly.

EDIT: I'm reminded of what Galliani told the 'stakeholders' a year back. That being, to balance the books we'd 'just' have to sell Kaka and Pirlo. Looks like the stakeholders made us follow through or something. We look like starting next season without our two main difference makers.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 22 2009, 07:07 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 22 2009, 06:21 AM) *
This is unfortunate. There was a time when Silvio's megalomania was married to his drive and work ethic. Now only the mania remains. sleep.gif

Fine...sell Pirlo. I don't care anymore! FWIW, I hope he lands in Chelsea. I just can't support Madrid wholeheartedly.

EDIT: I'm reminded of what Galliani told the 'stakeholders' a year back. That being, to balance the books we'd 'just' have to sell Kaka and Pirlo. Looks like the stakeholders made us follow through or something. We look like starting next season without our two main difference makers.

Oh get off it Jack.

You'd want Pirlo to go to Chelsea really? Because there's Carlo there, you know you're really going to compete with Seedorf as Carlo's main 'man'

Pirlo shouldn't even have the option to leave in the first place.

What, so first we had to endure the 'commercial' signings because they 'benefitted' the team, not in a footballing aspect mind you, then we had to wh@re ourselves out to every arabic team known to man to play a million friendlies and you're telling me we still have to balance the books??

This after selling Sheva, winning the CL and not making any worthwhile signing in years, and now selling Kaka and maybe also Pirlo. Where is the money going then??!!!

Oh yes it's being wasted on players like Oliveira, trips for Braida and Galliani to South America to 'scout' for players, players like Emerson, wages for players who don't do sh!t for the team but sit on the bench and suck up our resources.

If this isn't bad management I don't know what is.

Hopefully after Silvio is done clearing us out the tifosi, mostly the Italian ones will really take a stand to him. No more Milan channel subscriptions, season tickets and Cuore Rossonero cards, no more buying stuff off the ridiculously expensive Milan store.

Its completely ridiculous for Milan to have been dragged down into this and its all Silvio's fault, and for any Milan fan to be ok with this is just... There's no words

Hopefully once the Berlusconi kids take over from their senile father they will once and for all sell up, because we all know all they want is the money and not a burden money leeching entity like a football club, because that's what they see Milan as and it will be a great day once Milan is not owned by them anymore

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 22 2009, 07:19 AM

You expand whatever I just said, into 5 paragraphs, and then you want me to get off it? huh.gif

As for the Chelsea argument...yeah. biggrin.gif I already said, I'm supporting Chelsea in the EPL, because with Newcastle out, I have no reason to support anyone at all in the EPL. And Carlo gives me a reason. biggrin.gif

Secondly, if Pirlo goes to Real Madrid, to Perez's team which has absolutely no interest in defenders, he will be screwed. We know he's not the best DM there is. Unless the Madrid fans are looking for their own 'version' of Xavi..I don't see any benefits for Pirlo's career. I remember how they treated Makalele, who was so important to the team, yet not all that 'visible'. Pirlo will face the same treatment.

When I said sell him...I meant it in the "Ah just shoot me...I don't care anymore!" sense...not the "Oh golly...what a brilliant idea, now we can see the real R80" sense.


Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 22 2009, 08:17 AM

Silvio needs to get the f*** out. I have been saying this for months now, however even with these messages people still come out and say but..but... rolleyes.gif


Out with Dictatorship! Milan belongs to the people!

Posted by: han2503 Jun 22 2009, 08:32 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 22 2009, 06:19 AM) *
You expand whatever I just said, into 5 paragraphs, and then you want me to get off it? huh.gif

As for the Chelsea argument...yeah. biggrin.gif I already said, I'm supporting Chelsea in the EPL, because with Newcastle out, I have no reason to support anyone at all in the EPL. And Carlo gives me a reason. biggrin.gif

Secondly, if Pirlo goes to Real Madrid, to Perez's team which has absolutely no interest in defenders, he will be screwed. We know he's not the best DM there is. Unless the Madrid fans are looking for their own 'version' of Xavi..I don't see any benefits for Pirlo's career. I remember how they treated Makalele, who was so important to the team, yet not all that 'visible'. Pirlo will face the same treatment.

When I said sell him...I meant it in the "Ah just shoot me...I don't care anymore!" sense...not the "Oh golly...what a brilliant idea, now we can see the real R80" sense.

You said "Fine sell Pirlo" and then said "I hope he lands in Chelsea" as if that would do us any good. You said you hope he lands in Chelsea because Carlo is there, Well I don't really give a flying f@rt where Carlo is I only care about Milan and losing Pirlo after Kaka will be devastating for Milan. I'm sorry but I don't see this as fine.

I don't think I expanded on what you said. You're all "oh it's the investor's fault, oh well we cannot balance our books no problems, let's sell Pirlo fiesta.gif "

This is the result of our managements lack of investment, interest and stupidity. So it's ok to throw money at Ambro, Seedorf and Dida but its not ok to keep Pirlo, who at this point in his carreer cannot be sold for some big fee some here are imagining.

It's like you do not want to see what Berlu is doing to the club.

I'm sorry for coming across as an A-hole, but I'm just fead up with this passive attitude. Because its Silvio that's doing these things and he did something great for the club 2 decades ago.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 22 2009, 08:46 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 22 2009, 02:02 PM) *
You said "Fine sell Pirlo" and then said "I hope he lands in Chelsea" as if that would do us any good. You said you hope he lands in Chelsea because Carlo is there, Well I don't really give a flying f@rt where Carlo is I only care about Milan and losing Pirlo after Kaka will be devastating for Milan. I'm sorry but I don't see this as fine.

I don't think I expanded on what you said. You're all "oh it's the investor's fault, oh well we cannot balance our books no problems, let's sell Pirlo fiesta.gif "

This is the result of our managements lack of investment, interest and stupidity. So it's ok to throw money at Ambro, Seedorf and Dida but its not ok to keep Pirlo, who at this point in his carreer cannot be sold for some big fee some here are imagining.

It's like you do not want to see what Berlu is doing to the club.

I'm sorry for coming across as an A-hole, but I'm just fead up with this passive attitude. Because its Silvio that's doing these things and he did something great for the club 2 decades ago.



Something must be wrong in my communication. I don't mean to say Sell Pirlo to balance the books. I mean f@ck it...we're doomed coz Berlusconi's gone loco.

It's more like my complete helplessness at the situation we find ourselves in - that of a selling club. Do I think it's ok? No I don't. But it's not like I have a call on it. So I'm just going to kick back and let this circus end on it's own.

It's not like I can call up Silvio and tell him what to do? So what else am I supposed to be but passive?

Yup..Silvio's not the proactive owner he was as recently as 10 years ago. I agree. Yup Silvio needs to be criticised. Yup I agree. Silvio should sell, if he can no longer put his money where his mouth is. Yup I agree.

So I'm still figuring out, where your criticism of my post comes in. Coz...

QUOTE
You're all "oh it's the investor's fault, oh well we cannot balance our books no problems, let's sell Pirlo fiesta.gif "


is definitely not what I meant to convey. I think the investors/stakeholders are being complete pricks if they're demanding we clear up our books in this manner. You of all people know how much I love Pirlo. In the MF XI I play in the Pirlo position, even though I can't do diddly-squat. tongue.gif


As for throwing money at Ambro. We don't know yet. You might get your heart's desire and they would let him go (puke.gif)...but don't hold your breath. Everyone wanted Carlo gone...and things aren't looking much brighter for now.


I do give more than a f@rt for Carlo. So I do intend to follow Chelsea. Sue me! tongue.gif

So if Pirlo 'must' be sold, I'd rather he go to a club I like, with some other people I like. That's all.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 22 2009, 09:34 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 22 2009, 07:46 AM) *
Something must be wrong in my communication. I don't mean to say Sell Pirlo to balance the books. I mean f@ck it...we're doomed coz Berlusconi's gone loco.

It's more like my complete helplessness at the situation we find ourselves in - that of a selling club. Do I think it's ok? No I don't. But it's not like I have a call on it. So I'm just going to kick back and let this circus end on it's own.

It's not like I can call up Silvio and tell him what to do? So what else am I supposed to be but passive?

Yup..Silvio's not the proactive owner he was as recently as 10 years ago. I agree. Yup Silvio needs to be criticised. Yup I agree. Silvio should sell, if he can no longer put his money where his mouth is. Yup I agree.

So I'm still figuring out, where your criticism of my post comes in. Coz...

is definitely not what I meant to convey. I think the investors/stakeholders are being complete pricks if they're demanding we clear up our books in this manner. You of all people know how much I love Pirlo. In the MF XI I play in the Pirlo position, even though I can't do diddly-squat. tongue.gif


As for throwing money at Ambro. We don't know yet. You might get your heart's desire and they would let him go (puke.gif)...but don't hold your breath. Everyone wanted Carlo gone...and things aren't looking much brighter for now.

I do give more than a f@rt for Carlo. So I do intend to follow Chelsea. Sue me! tongue.gif

So if Pirlo 'must' be sold, I'd rather he go to a club I like, with some other people I like. That's all.

You came off sounding like "what the hell, things happen."

These things really do not depend on us, I agree it's no use to shout and stomp about it. But that's why I said it really depends on the Italian fans, who buy the season tickets, pay their monthly subscriptions. Milan has become all about this, how to get the cash, and the fans opposing to spend money on the brand is what really will drive the message home. Reports that the fans' protests over Kaka keep coming about how the things I mentioned have gone downhill.

I know you love Pirlo, and I never said you didn't but you came off as it doesn't matter to you as long as he plays under Carlo.

Personally I don't care anymore what Carlo does, he's at Chelsea now and if you're going to support them then you've got a lot more problems then just being a raging alcaholic stuck on his rum. Personally I want them and Man U to fail every season.

The only thing I wanted out of Carlo was to be rid us of Seedorf and he can't even do that right. So I hope our management won't do him any favors, no more then he did us with his stubborn attitude, old time tactics, and oldy loving nature.

And again, why sell Pirlo when they're willing to throw money on the unworthy players? this is what is really baffling for me, lets not kid ourselves Pirlo won't generate a big transfer fee, not anymore. Should the wages of the aformentioned players be removed from our bill then that's Pirlo's transfer fee right there. Instead we want to sell one of our best player to keep the money sucking players that do nothing for this team and give them over 4m a year. That's stupidity at its finest right there imo.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 22 2009, 09:37 AM

Oh and what's really puke.gif is the fact that Ambro is asking for 4.5m a season when he's 32 years old, can barely pass a ball, and is injury prone.

Its sad to see people call this guy a milan legend and captain. Especially when the ones before him were Maldini and Baresi.

That is what is disgusting Jack, especially after the club he 'loves' so much had to sell it's best player and could be selling another. That's our 'great' captain for next season Jack

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 22 2009, 11:49 AM

DOWN WITH SILVIO! DOWN WITH SILVIO! DOWN WITH SILVIO!

Posted by: jefri91 Jun 22 2009, 12:07 PM

If we sell Pirlo I will no longer be a Milan fan

Posted by: Dzeko Jun 22 2009, 12:48 PM

Isn't it easy for Berlusconi to sell Club to Arabian? I mean if u don't have big plans with BIG club like Milan leave it alone... U have to invest money so u gain profit at the end of the YEAR...

Pirlo is far best midfilder ATM in Milan and if he leave don't know what will hapend next.

Regards
Damir

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 22 2009, 01:05 PM

QUOTE (jefri91 @ Jun 22 2009, 05:37 PM) *
If we sell Pirlo I will no longer be a Milan fan


Hee hee. That settles it. Now Berlu will be so scared of losing jefri..Pirlo will soon become the highest paid player in Europe. biggrin.gif

Posted by: han2503 Jun 22 2009, 02:09 PM

Apparently Gago could be Pirlo's replacement puke.gif

He's not even good enough to wipe Pirlo's shoes and they're concidering him as his replacement??

If we're going to look at anyone from Real then that should be Sneijer and VdV

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 22 2009, 02:17 PM

I like Gago, but he's not even the same type of player as Pirlo, that'd be a really bad replacement, where would our creativity come from then? huh.gif

Posted by: Habitant Jun 22 2009, 02:19 PM

fat ****, with his amazing ability to turn his back to a defender and wait for his opponents to backtrack and cover all open space rolleyes.gif

Posted by: pacang Jun 22 2009, 04:36 PM


another touch of class going out.. can't imagine what he meant by 'milan will do well next season..'

maybe he expects emerson to supply killer balls for the team next season.. a guy who played 45 mins and looked like he suffered heart attack, spends most of the time on bench.. and still earns a lot..

btw, i think gago is nowhere near pirlo.. creativity and passing wise i meant..

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 22 2009, 04:42 PM

All this support for Andy P. cry.gif

Yet I know, there will be no horde of fans outside Andy's house asking him to stay. Ah well...ce'est la vie!

There can be no Pirlo replacement. Everyone else talked about...Cigarini etc. are a huge step down. Pirlo is the bloody heartbeat of this team. He makes the rhythm.

If Milan sell Pirlo...the 4-3-1-2 must alter it's characteristics.

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 22 2009, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (ESPN Soccernet)
Milan will consider offers for Pirlo, says Berlusconi
By Soccernet staff
June 22, 2009
AC Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi has said he will consider offers for Andrea Pirlo after being stunned by the size of the Italy midfielder's salary.

Berlusconi had previously said no more big names would leave the San Siro after they sold Brazil playmaker Kaka to Real Madrid for £56m earlier this month but the Rossoneri chief has had a change of heart.

"If there's an offer, it should be considered," he told La Gazzetta dello Sport. "We'll see. I was the first to say that he must stay, but then they showed me the sums (for his salary)."

Chelsea are leading the race to sign the 30-year-old, who is thought to earn almost £6m a season, with former Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti keen to be reunited with the World Cup winner at Stamford Bridge.

Pirlo has a contract that runs through to 2012 and Milan are reportedly asking for £20m to part with the midfielder.

So Berlu suddenly wants to dump Pirlo because he was apparently clueless about how much he was making, even though the money was coming out of his own pocket?

Good Christ. What was that line from Sanford and Son? "I'm comin', Elizabeth, this is the BIG one!"

Posted by: han2503 Jun 22 2009, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 22 2009, 04:31 PM) *
So Berlu suddenly wants to dump Pirlo because he was apparently clueless about how much he was making, even though the money was coming out of his own pocket?

Good Christ. What was that line from Sanford and Son? "I'm comin', Elizabeth, this is the BIG one!"

In the original version of that interview, Berlu never said that they showed him the sums specifically for Pirlo's salary. Just that they show him the accounts. As Pirlo earns the same ammount as Rino, Ambro, Seedorf etc.

If we can't afford to keep Pirlo then how come we can afford to keep the free loaders that are Dida, Kaladze, etc? This is just baffling for me, If Berlu thinks that he's going to earn some world record fee for Pirlo, then he can't be more wrong

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 22 2009, 06:28 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 22 2009, 11:47 AM) *
Out with Dictatorship! Milan belongs to the people!


Believe me, you have no idea what dictatorship is... sad.gif you were of Persian descent or something, right? then you must be aware of what's going on here.

Silvio and co are bad football managers, that's it. their methods may have worked wonders in the past, but today the football world has entered a new phase which they haven't managed to cope with yet, or as they say, they're still living in the romanticized past. maybe getting old's got to them, I don't know. I just know I wouldn't call them dictators. they're far less harmless than that!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 22 2009, 06:34 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 22 2009, 06:28 PM) *
Silvio and co are bad football managers, that's it. their methods may have worked wonders in the past,

And those methods were spending lots of £££.

Posted by: A.X Jun 22 2009, 07:29 PM

you ppl are just sayin what you think ... but you really don't know what will happen next season ... you have to wait and watch .... and then judge ... are you a true milan fans ??? no i don't think ... because you don't have passion on your team ... or faith in it ... heh ... a team make a player not a player make a team ... berluscuni ain't no punk ( a lot tongue.gif ) to destroy milan ... we need to get young play makers ... and young players ... not just play with an average 40 each game ... like we are the legends ... on fifa games ... heh !!! wake up ppl... im sorry kaka left ... but i won't be sorry if pirlo leave !

Posted by: han2503 Jun 22 2009, 07:29 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 22 2009, 06:34 PM) *
And those methods were spending lots of £££.

Exactly, something that Silvio just does not want to do anymore

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 22 2009, 11:01 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 22 2009, 09:04 PM) *
And those methods were spending lots of £££.

Disagree that it's the only reason. they used to spend those $$$ more wisely than they do now.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 22 2009, 11:22 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 22 2009, 11:01 PM) *
Disagree that it's the only reason. they used to spend those $$$ more wisely than they do now.

Our late 80s/early 90s success was built on money. I don't believe we made many big transfers then until late 90s/early 2000s.. coincidently that's when we started winning things again.

This is why I don't knock anyone for spending lots of money, it's annoying, but I think it's hypocritical as it's how Milan began to really become a super power of European football.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 23 2009, 09:27 AM

This is ridiculous now, and Gago as a replacement, that's taking one step forward and two steps back.

I wouldn't mind VDV from Madrid, other than that I wouldn't want any of them (the ones they are likely to sell).

We would have absolutely no creativity, see when we sold Kaka I thought we would spend, now I'm starting to think this won't be the case. I mean all these rumours, then nothing coming to the forefront and Cissokho, not signed because of his teeth? Sounds somewhat sceptical.

If we realistically want to win anything next season, we have to go out and spend money and with the way money flies around in football, especially at the moment we are going to have to spend big. The team we have at the moment, whatever way you look at it is simply not good enough compared.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 23 2009, 09:49 AM

I wouldn't mind Gago, he's a favorite of mine and IMO has the potential to become a really good midfielder.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 23 2009, 10:22 AM

@Zed.D:


I don't think anything's changed. Milan were the original galaticos under Sacchi. It's just that the way the economy has progressed, clubs in England and Spain are able to beat Milan at their own game.

As for spending wisely...I disagree. No club has spent wisely anytime it splashed money. It's just that now Milan can no longer take any risks on expensive investment. This is not the Milan who could break a transfer record for Lentini and then easily get rid of him, when he had his problems. I think that's what's changed.

Maybe han's got a point. Silvio can't spend a lot. Or maybe none of that 'black money' can be laundered in Milan anymore, ever since we got rapped by Calciopoli. I don't want to jump to conclusions. Either way, we have to accept that we can no longer compete with other clubs on pricing.

But yes we have made a lot of bad transfers, but then so has every other club..with the possible exception of Napoli and Everton.

The problem is we're not a spending club anymore. We're just maybe a couple of steps above Arsenal in our attitude.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 23 2009, 10:31 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 23 2009, 03:22 AM) *
@Zed.D:


I don't think anything's changed. Milan were the original galaticos under Sacchi. It's just that the way the economy has progressed, clubs in England and Spain are able to beat Milan at their own game.

As for spending wisely...I disagree. No club has spent wisely anytime it splashed money. It's just that now Milan can no longer take any risks on expensive investment. This is not the Milan who could break a transfer record for Lentini and then easily get rid of him, when he had his problems. I think that's what's changed.

Maybe han's got a point. Silvio can't spend a lot. Or maybe none of that 'black money' can be laundered in Milan anymore, ever since we got rapped by Calciopoli. I don't want to jump to conclusions. Either way, we have to accept that we can no longer compete with other clubs on pricing.

But yes we have made a lot of bad transfers, but then so has every other club..with the possible exception of Napoli and Everton.

The problem is we're not a spending club anymore. We're just maybe a couple of steps above Arsenal in our attitude.


Exactly but the biggest problem with this philosphy is that arsenal do not spend but they still attract fans and sell stadiums out like crazy because of their style of football. We don't play an attractive style of football and we are losing season tickets and revenue in other places.

We are also going to lose a majority of our fan base if this continues. All the fans milan created will eventually be gone if they continue down this road. We cannot be like arsenal. The fans demand much higher and have always recieved much higher than arsenal standards.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 23 2009, 10:43 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 23 2009, 04:01 PM) *
Exactly but the biggest problem with this philosphy is that arsenal do not spend but they still attract fans and sell stadiums out like crazy because of their style of football. We don't play an attractive style of football and we are losing season tickets and revenue in other places.

We are also going to lose a majority of our fan base if this continues. All the fans milan created will eventually be gone if they continue down this road. We cannot be like arsenal. The fans demand much higher and have always recieved much higher than arsenal standards.


Exactly. We can't go down that Arsenal route, coz it'll be difficult to work our way back. As for attracting fans like crazy and selling out stadiums, that's an economic thing too. Serie A's TV rights etc have been pretty lousy for some time now.

Stadium wise, we're pretty ok. We do get attendances that's the best in Serie A. Where it hits is that since we don't own the stadiums, not all of that money's coming to us.

Yup...if we no longer dominate on the European stage, we will lose fans at a global level. Because the CL is the only place where Italian clubs are visible, and Milan has been the most successful of the lot.

Posted by: A.X Jun 23 2009, 11:41 AM

do you really ppl think that having over-aged (30<...) players is the way to be a great team??? or if we have pirlo who won't last for more then 2 seasons ( or if he wants to be like maldinhi and finish on 40<... then it's another case) is better then having gago ??? the young midfielder ???? i have a question is milan a punks charity club ??? or a soccer grandfathers club ??? wake up milan need young player ... arsenal with the young player got to the ucl semi finals !!! hah where are you living ppl !!!! we need to get rid of ridiculous players and lazy player ...like seedorf and pirlo ... then we need to get young players and i repeat young player !!! because what i see is that we have been intrested in players aged more then 30 hah !

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 23 2009, 11:44 AM

QUOTE (A.X @ Jun 23 2009, 11:41 AM) *
arsenal with the young player got to the ucl semi finals !!!

Yes, but they also only finished 4th in the league because another team failed miserably at the end of the season, otherwise they'd be in the Europa League.

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But yes we have made a lot of bad transfers, but then so has every other club..with the possible exception of Napoli and Everton.

Everton? Come on, Moyes admitted to using FM to scout players from time to time! They also bought a kid called Scott Spencer from the lower leagues, their manager said he was the next big thing, Moyes signed him, he no longer plays professionally I believe. laugh.gif

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 23 2009, 12:04 PM

QUOTE (A.X @ Jun 23 2009, 11:41 AM) *
do you really ppl think that having over-aged (30<...) players is the way to be a great team??? or if we have pirlo who won't last for more then 2 seasons ( or if he wants to be like maldinhi and finish on 40<... then it's another case) is better then having gago ??? the young midfielder ???? i have a question is milan a punks charity club ??? or a soccer grandfathers club ??? wake up milan need young player ... arsenal with the young player got to the ucl semi finals !!! hah where are you living ppl !!!! we need to get rid of ridiculous players and lazy player ...like seedorf and pirlo ... then we need to get young players and i repeat young player !!! because what i see is that we have been intrested in players aged more then 30 hah !

You make it sound like if we sign any 17 year old we are fine. Maybe on Football Manager...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 23 2009, 12:09 PM

Problem is, young players of a high ability are going to cost silly money. We're not going to spend that much, we can't even afford to keep the players we already have.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 23 2009, 12:10 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 23 2009, 12:09 PM) *
Problem is, young players of a high ability are going to cost silly money. We're not going to spend that much, we can't even afford to keep the players we already have.

Exactly, half of them cost more than if we bought an already established one.

Posted by: A.X Jun 23 2009, 08:29 PM

yea you're right ... but we need young players ... like about 25 years old players ... or we can get from our youth... look at messi in barcelona he is the best in the world ... pato with milan ... i beleive he is better then cristiano ronaldo at least ... jesus navas is good ... On defence we have thiago silva ; senderos ... and if we get cissokho is would be nice .... im not sayin we need 17 years old players ... we need young and talented players ... that's it ... and the last two seasons IMO were bad because of ancellotti ... he played seedorf more then flamini ... and didn't play thiago silva ... and his tactics were too bad ... we could at least have won uefa cup ... whatever ... and btw now nesta needs a lot of time to recover ... !!! hope we will be a competitive team next season ... because we can be it !!!

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 23 2009, 08:56 PM

QUOTE (A.X @ Jun 23 2009, 08:29 PM) *
yea you're right ... but we need young players ... like about 25 years old players ... or we can get from our youth... look at messi in barcelona he is the best in the world ... pato with milan ... i beleive he is better then cristiano ronaldo at least ... jesus navas is good ... On defence we have thiago silva ; senderos ... and if we get cissokho is would be nice .... im not sayin we need 17 years old players ... we need young and talented players ... that's it ... and the last two seasons IMO were bad because of ancellotti ... he played seedorf more then flamini ... and didn't play thiago silva ... and his tactics were too bad ... we could at least have won uefa cup ... whatever ... and btw now nesta needs a lot of time to recover ... !!! hope we will be a competitive team next season ... because we can be it !!!

If only Pato were better than Ronaldo, although he is a very good player, he's not upto that standard... yet.

I do get what you're saying but I think there are plenty of players in our current squad that are just there to pick up their wages and should be gotten rid of well in advance of Pirlo.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 23 2009, 08:58 PM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 23 2009, 07:56 PM) *
If only Pato were better than Ronaldo, although he is a very good player, he's not upto that standard... yet.

I do get what you're saying but I think there are plenty of players in our current squad that are just there to pick up their wages and should be gotten rid of well in advance of Pirlo.

Exactly!!!!

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 23 2009, 10:00 PM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 24 2009, 12:26 AM) *
If only Pato were better than Ronaldo, although he is a very good player, he's not upto that standard... yet.

I'm confident he'll get there. he's been much better at 19 than Ronaldo was at the same age.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 23 2009, 10:46 PM

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and didn't play thiago silva

Was Thiago Silva even eligible for us to play last season?

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 24 2009, 01:11 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 23 2009, 02:46 PM) *
Was Thiago Silva even eligible for us to play last season?

No, he wasn't, except for friendlies.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 24 2009, 12:07 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 23 2009, 10:00 PM) *
I'm confident he'll get there. he's been much better at 19 than Ronaldo was at the same age.

I knew you'd be around with the mentioning of the 4 letter name!

It's good to see you've stuck by him, and yep you have proved me wrong when I was rather pessimistic about his potential a few years back!

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