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post Oct 9 2019, 02:34 AM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 8 2019, 11:45 PM) *
There is chaos in our management.


Yes, for the past near-decade.

It's absurd how poorly Milan are run, and how bad the decisions at every level of management continue to be.

Question for all of you - genuine - will you still follow this team in Serie B with having lost our 'best' players and possibly sliding down to Serie C?

Now, I'm a Rangers fan and I've had a four-year nightmare in the lower divisions, but we're now top of the table and should be top of our Europa group (group of death with Feyenoord, Young Boys and Porto) so I know what it is to slide to the bottom and the joy of rising back.

But could this generation of Rossoneri cope with it (after all it happened 40 years ago too).

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post Oct 9 2019, 07:15 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 8 2019, 08:25 PM) *
First of all, I do blame Paolo and Boban because Giampaolo was their choice. If you want to rebuild and get back to success, you don't start from Giampaolo. It was a risky bet, and they lost it. Hence, they're responsible. Just as they're responsible for conducting a mercato without logic or direction.

Secondly, we can't afford to learn at this moment. So, blame goes to Elliot for replacing an experienced director such as Leonardo with Boban. We need certainty. What has Gazidis even been doing all this time? Aside from earning the big bucks, that is.

I never said they were blameless, but it is obvious that they are restricted, and when you are restricted to a 2m annual salary for a coach, then Giampaolo is the level that you get

So we can put all the blame we want for them picking Giampaolo specifically, but it really doesn't make much difference. 2m is not going to get you anyone better. Simple as that really

As for the summer signings. Once again, they had to work within tight confines. We signed some very interesting players imo. Players you had previously thought were enough for us to get 4th. And I still think that from my end. They just need to be coached properly. Both from a tactical point of view as well as a physical one. Because right now it's obvious that they are not only without any tactical clue, but they're also lacking greatly in fitness levels.

Rino took a worse team to within a point of 4th. So it's obvious that the ability is there, but these players have never been guided by a proper coach their entire time at Milan. I don't think Pioli will change that but we'll just have to wait and see it out

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 8 2019, 10:28 PM) *
Agree with both of you.

But sorry, my blame on Mladini and Boban goes to a certain point. One has to understand that it was indeed Berlusconi and Galliani who destroyed Milan in the first place with their reckless and antiquated handling of the club and lastly their sale of the club to a shady Chinese businessman.

This is how we got there. Maldini and Boban are club legends who agreed to work under these dire and complicated conditions. Could they done better? Sure, especially in terms of manager selection and summer signings. But let's be honest guys: apart from me most of you saw the team stronger then last year, prepared for battling the 4th spot (even more?) and were fine with Giampaolo. Heck, even the media praised Giampaolo and made some believe he's some kind of tactical genius?

The mistake was to punish Leonardo for last season and remove him from the management as his signings and decisions weren't half as bad (maybe expensive though). So this blaming game goes far more then just stating two of our club legends our idiots.

But again, when the budget restrict you to such an extent, you're going to be very limited in the choices you can make. We have a budget for the coach that is on par with the bottom half of the table. So let that sink in.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 8 2019, 10:30 PM) *
As for Pioli, I'm also disappointed. But he got a contract for 1 million plus the 1.5 we're paying Giampaolo. It's obvious we couldn't afford anyone - not even Spalletti, especially not Mourinho etc. Let's be realistic, who would accept to come to Milan for a miserable salary in this even more miserable situation?

You know, I really thought we'd actually have a proper budget allocated to the coaching staff. But apparently not. @The fact that even now they won't release more funds to sign at least Spaletti says it all

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 9 2019, 02:34 AM) *
Yes, for the past near-decade.

It's absurd how poorly Milan are run, and how bad the decisions at every level of management continue to be.

Question for all of you - genuine - will you still follow this team in Serie B with having lost our 'best' players and possibly sliding down to Serie C?

Now, I'm a Rangers fan and I've had a four-year nightmare in the lower divisions, but we're now top of the table and should be top of our Europa group (group of death with Feyenoord, Young Boys and Porto) so I know what it is to slide to the bottom and the joy of rising back.

But could this generation of Rossoneri cope with it (after all it happened 40 years ago too).

I don't see Milan going down that far

But I do see this club fading into mid-table obscurity. And the longer this goes on, the harder it will be for the club to claw it's way back. Out generation of fans grew up with Sheva, Pirlo, Seedorf, Paolo, Nesta, Rino, etc. The older ones like my dad grew up with Rijkaard, Van Baster, Baresi, Paolo and Gullit. Who do the current generation of fans have to inspire them? Suso? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I'm afraid that kids these days won't even know Milan, certainly not as a big club. All the kids today follow the clubs that are in the CL. The only young Milan fans are that due to their family supporting the club, so the fanbase right now is still big, but as things keep going the way they are that will dwindle fast, and having the big fanbase is still crucial to us if we want to crawl out of the hole we've been digging ourselves in for years now. But once that's gone, it will be practically impossible for us to get back to where we once were
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post Oct 9 2019, 08:44 AM
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I don't buy it that we don't have the proper budget for a coach. The fact we went after Spalletti is proof of that. And besides, there are other better coaches out there than Giampaolo who would come for the cheap. Rudi Garcia, for example, whose salary at Marseille was 2.5M. Or we could have tried to lure in someone like Ten Hag. I mean, there are options, we just went after the easiest (and most mediocre) one.
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post Oct 10 2019, 09:40 AM
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You say we are stronger on paper... but I doubt that as well. I'm so perplexed with you guys not acknowledging how massive Bakayoko was for us last season. Maybe his off field stupidity got to you. But fact is that he was IMO the crucial ingredient for last seasons "success". Now see how we struggle with the faded Biglia and the not-so impressive Bennacer (to be fair, the kid deserves more time).

So no, I really don't think we're that much stronger on paper. You have a fixation with Rodriguez but the point is, a leftback won't make the difference to end up 4th or 5th. And here is something which is bothering me for quite some time... we are all speaking of Milan as a club with limited resources. Yet this summer we managed to spend 100M on transfers (including Kessie). My question remains: couldn't we have sacrificed Duarte, Hernandez, Krunić and even the seemingly good Leao - and sign one or two classy players? Sign someone who adds value?

IMO we make two mistakes over and over again. Firstly we never seem to care who takes over as coach and always settle for the easy and unimaginative solution (bar Montella). And secondly we spent a lot of money for quantity players and not even once considered "stay as we are" and adding a drop of quality into the bunch.
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post Oct 10 2019, 11:00 AM
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Saying Bakayoko was massive for us last season is a huge overstatement. He was mostly good, but that's it. And saying we're weaker than last season because he left, I think you're just lying to yourself.

We are stronger, that's a fact, but sometimes it's not just a matter of players, but also of mentality, tactics and so on. Gattuso lit a fire in some of these players, and that worked to a certain extent. But Giamapolo failed in everything, hence why we're doing much worse this season.
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post Oct 10 2019, 11:28 AM
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Well, we disagree. I stand by my opinion that Bakayoko was crucial. Surely he wasn't Ronaldo or Messi, but in a different sense he made the system work like no other player could (Kessie, Biglia, etc.). I think we're having the same trouble here: we lack a competent DM who gives the team security and makes the game flow and we lack the creative trequartista. Now that we'll again play a 4-2-3-1 this trequartista talk is irrelevant, but we'll still lack the DM. Biglia is pretty much useless and completely unstable, Bennacer is just too inexperienced while Kessie is... well he's Kessie. Ideal for small teams.
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post Oct 10 2019, 11:44 AM
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How can you say that Bennacer is inexperienced? We're strictly talking about Serie A here, and the guy has two years of experience with Empoli under his belt. Not to mention he's played many games with his NT. The guy is 21, not 17.

He needs to be given continuous playing time. This Biglia fixation (from our coaches, not from you) has to be put to rest. The guy is as good as Montolivo at this stage of his career.
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post Oct 10 2019, 03:52 PM
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Agreed on Biglia. But Bennacer is clearly inexperienced, you can tell easily by his disastrous performances. Hadn't it been for Calhanoglou he would have been the worst player against Fiorentina. Most of the responsibility lies on Giampaolo who had no real clue, but my expectations regarding Bennacer now are minimal. Perhaps his experience with Empoli trying to avoid relegation will now come handy.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 10 2019, 03:52 PM) *
Agreed on Biglia. But Bennacer is clearly inexperienced, you can tell easily by his disastrous performances. Hadn't it been for Calhanoglou he would have been the worst player against Fiorentina. Most of the responsibility lies on Giampaolo who had no real clue, but my expectations regarding Bennacer now are minimal. Perhaps his experience with Empoli trying to avoid relegation will now come handy.


Disastrous performances??? I'm sorry, you're basing your judgment on one game where EVERYONE was complete and utter rubbish. He was decent against Brescia and Torino. And that's it. He hasn't played any other games.

Let's not jump the gun here, Fillipo. I know you're skpetical about everything in our current situation, but I can assure you Bennacer is a very valid player. Take my word for it.
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Well, if you say so. But right now we need a solid and confident DM like Bakayoko used to be. I don't think Bennacer is suited for that role right now.
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But who is? Certainly not Biglia. Plus let's not forget: Bakayoko had a very bad start last season, but then Biglia had that long-term injury which allowed him to play regularly, hence gaining confidence and becoming a very viable asset.

Bennacer started in the second match against Brescia, where he played a very good match, but then for some odd reason was benched against Verona and Inter, only to be played again vs Torino and Fiorentina, then benched again vs Genoa.

A new player needs continuity, Giampaolo clearly did not understand that. One of the many reasons his @ss got fired.
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I agree with Filippo though that Baka was a massive loss for us this season.

And really, what off field stupidity? The shirt thing with Acerbi? That's just them needling an opponent. What was truly stupid was the club's slience when he was racially abused by the Lazio fans who were up in arm about him holding Acerbi's shirt up but saw nothing wrong in waving a banana at him. That was disgusting from our club's end imo. How they did not back him but were quick to reprimand him for the shirt joke

And yes, he is a massive loss. The amount of balls he recovered and attacks he started from those recoveries were countless and are missed now

Re Benaccer, we simply haven't really been able to see what he can really do, but he looks very promising imo. Giampaolo treated him unfairly, and I hope Pioli can get the best out of him

Paqueta and Piatek were also looking terrible under Giampaolo, and we've seen how great they can be from last season. So it's obviously been a pretty obvious connection between the coach and how all the players just seem stifled compared to last season under Rino
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Piatek started looking awful since last season. He had a fantastic start, but after, what, 9-10 games he scored only once till the end of the season. So, it's not just down to Giampaolo.

I honestly don't want him starting any more games. He doesn't score, he doesn't protect the ball, loses it very often, doesn't assist his teammates, and on top of it all he's very selfish.

Start Leao as CF with Rebic and Suso on the flanks I say. And have Paqueta play more advanced and Kessie more retracted. And start Bennacer. If Pioli wants to get it right, he must start from the correct man selection.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 10 2019, 08:40 PM) *
Piatek started looking awful since last season. He had a fantastic start, but after, what, 9-10 games he scored only once till the end of the season. So, it's not just down to Giampaolo.

I honestly don't want him starting any more games. He doesn't score, he doesn't protect the ball, loses it very often, doesn't assist his teammates, and on top of it all he's very selfish.

Start Leao as CF with Rebic and Suso on the flanks I say. And have Paqueta play more advanced and Kessie more retracted. And start Bennacer. If Pioli wants to get it right, he must start from the correct man selection.

Piatek started looking bad last season when the entire team dipped in form, he's a striker that relies on service. If you're not giving him anything to work with, he's not going to create something out of nothing by himself.

Of course, this does not mean that I am disputing what you're saying in any way. I think a 4-2-3-1 with a all those players you listed would be the best possible solution, but I would not disregard Piatek just yet. He's lost confidence, and that has fueled the so called "selfish" streak, the constant shooting from players when they should be passing is mostly born out of frustration, we've seen Suso and Hakan doing it constantly as well
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 11 2019, 09:54 PM) *
Piatek started looking bad last season when the entire team dipped in form, he's a striker that relies on service. If you're not giving him anything to work with, he's not going to create something out of nothing by himself.


This.

And plus Suso himself is hardly known for altruistic play.
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