[arivanjj]

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another relegation team get their chance to climb up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[KillerMax]

Damn it, I took too long.

For what it's worth, here is table:


Serie A Table:

CODE

Inter      24
Milan      23     
Napoli     23     
Lazio      22     
Udinese    21     
Juventus   21     
Genoa      20     
Fiorentina 20     
Catania    18     
Palermo    16
Atalanta   14     
Siena      12     
Lecce      12     
Torino     11         
Sampdoria  10
Roma       8     
Bologna    7     
Chievo     6     
Reggina    5

[Darunia]

Pato + Borriello/Inzaghi should start these types of games. Bring Ronnie with 30 min to go if needed.

This post has been edited by Darunia: Nov 10 2008, 06:01 AM

[Tennie]

Two striker formation for this one please. I'd rest Kaka based on yesterday's performance, and would start Ronaldinho.

[Zed.D]

I can't choose between Kaka and Ronaldinho... both were awful. but I think overall Kaka was more involved in the game..

Since Carlo's ideas of playing the Christmas tree against Lecce turned out to be useless [as usual], he will play with two strikers in this one, only to switch back to the Christmas tree in the next games again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

another relegation team get their chance to climb up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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They've always said, league is won against smaller teams not big team. we're dropping points exactly against these teams.

Carlo has a very wrong idea about the league games. he thinks these are CL matches. starts most of them with lots of midfielders and only one striker... no wonder, except for one season, he has always been a loser in the league. he's one of those coaches who come very close to winning the league but because of lacking that extra bit of courage always lose out.

[dst]

Kaka should be benched. In my view, Borriello should be there again next to Pato this time.

We're below Inter and they've had a tougher program so far! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

another relegation team get their chance to climb up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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[dst]

Carlo has a very wrong idea about the league games. he thinks these are CL matches. starts most of them with lots of midfielders and only one striker... no wonder, except for one season, he has always been a loser in the league. he's one of those coaches who come very close to winning the league but because of lacking that extra bit of courage always lose out.

Excuse me but while I don't rate Carletto that high, I still think he's done very well in the league considering he only lost the league in '05 and '06 because Juventus were cheating with offside goals and retakes of penalties! Whoever has watched those two tournaments from start to finish can tell that gifted points were what gave them the Scudetto.

I think after these two losses he's gone crazy, I can find no other explanation why anyone would field Emerson let alone ask for him to be signed.

This post has been edited by dst: Nov 10 2008, 12:34 PM

[Zed.D]

What is this Kaka should be benched. you know better than anyone that Carlo doesn't bench Kaka... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Excuse me but while I don't rate Carletto that high, I still think he's done very well in the league considering he only lost the league in '05 and '06 because Juventus were cheating with offside goals and retakes of penalties! Whoever has watched those two tournaments from start to finish can tell that gifted points were what gave them the Scudetto.

I think after these two losses he's gone crazy, I can find no other explanation why anyone would field Emerson let alone ask for him to be signed.

Just look at his profile. always second-best in the league. two times with Juve. once with Parma. twice with Milan...
We may be only 1 point short of the top but we haven't been convincing AT ALL except for 1 game - lazio - out of 11 games imo. two controversial penalties and lucky Ronaldinho goal (not to mention our offside derby goal) etc. etc. and a bunch of hard fought 1-0 or 2-1's wins.

I rate Carlo highly: a coach who has proved himself in Europe. that's it. I don't see anything praisable in Carlo's league performances. 1 decade in two top teams and only one Scudetto... no big deal.

[Il Diavolo]

Wouldn't it be interesting if we play both Kaka and Ronaldinho AND two strikers? No Seedorf or even better - yes Seedorf + one defensive midfielder, probably Gattuso. There were times when Gattuso was our only midfielder with defensive duties only and we were like... the champions of Europe. Of course, we need Pirlo, but I don't think it's risky to play with 4 potential strikers, 2 of which play as attacking midfielders. Seedorf wasn't any better than Ricky last night. He was good in the first games, but not anymore. The only reason for Kaka not to play, is the break for national duties /friendly matches this time - so pointless!/.

And our two strikers should be Sheva and Borriello. I have a good feeling that they might become something. Pato is just lacking the final touch as he's slowly getting used to Serie A football, while Pippo is more of a "golden sub".

The fans deserve a convincing victory. Something like 4:0 or even 5:0, because Chievo are a disaster so far. Too bad we play in the afternoon. We always suck at San Siro when the sun shines. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I disagree about Carlo being a loser. We deserved to win the league in 2005 and 2006. Ah, well, they gave it to Inter anyway, but in both seasons, Milan played with imagination, scored a lot of goals and only luck tooks the first place away from us. Remember how we scored 85 goald in 38 matches? Not bad for a "defensive coach" with "loser mentality". The past two seasons, it was all about Champios League and I can't really blame Carlo for his failiure to fight for the Scudetto. Our selection was horrible. No forwards, no defenders, degrading Dida, no alternative for Pirlo. It was hard.

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[Zed.D]

Carlo's defensive thoughts are so obvious that I don't even see the need to argue about it...

Not bad for a "defensive coach" with "loser mentality".

I'm not sure whether this is a reply to what I said, but if it was I have to say I didn't say 'loser mentality'. I just said loser in the league since he usually finished second in the league. and it's not just about those two seasons...

He's a great coach in knockout games as his Christmas tree works good there, but in the league it's different and it is proven many times that it takes different approaches to beat teams in Italian league...

[han2503]

Excuse me but while I don't rate Carletto that high, I still think he's done very well in the league considering he only lost the league in '05 and '06 because Juventus were cheating with offside goals and retakes of penalties! Whoever has watched those two tournaments from start to finish can tell that gifted points were what gave them the Scudetto.

I think after these two losses he's gone crazy, I can find no other explanation why anyone would field Emerson let alone ask for him to be signed.

Agreed, zd, I understand your frustrations with Carlo because I share them, believe me I do. But all these defensive close minded tactics started exactly the season that Sheva left in. When Sheva was here before we ALWAYS played with 2 strikers 3 no 10s and a defensive mid. Even when we played the xmas tree in our Scudetto winning season it was always, Rui, Kaka, Seedorf, Pirlo and Rino behind Sheva. Never did he use both Ambro and Rino together. And back then the xmas tree was considered just as offensive as the usual 4-3-1-2.

It's only when Sheva left that he reverted to his old style of football that he used to deploy at Juve, the type of football that labeled him the 'Almost Man'

Carlo at Milan didn't even try to be defensive because if he would Silvio would lash out at him in the media demanding 'beautiful football'.

Like dst said, we deserved the 05 and 06 Scudettos based on merits and the quality of football we displayed, back then we rivaled Barca as one of the best attacking teams in Europe.

dst got it right, Carlo went crazy, simple as that. And after this season we should replace him either with Spalletti or Rijkaard or even Prandelli

I disagree about Carlo being a loser. We deserved to win the league in 2005 and 2006. Ah, well, they gave it to Inter anyway, but in both seasons, Milan played with imagination, scored a lot of goals and only luck tooks the first place away from us. Remember how we scored 85 goald in 38 matches? Not bad for a "defensive coach" with "loser mentality". The past two seasons, it was all about Champios League and I can't really blame Carlo for his failiure to fight for the Scudetto. Our selection was horrible. No forwards, no defenders, degrading Dida, no alternative for Pirlo. It was hard.

Like I said above, Carlo didn't have the so called 'loser mantelity' a couple of seasons ago, we always went out with our most attacking lineup and with the aim to score goals. It's these past 2 seasons (3 including this one) that Carlo has reverted back to his old ways. He's close minded, afraid to stray away from his comfortable zone of first 11 and tactics and too afraid to make neccissary changes in matches, while waiting too long to make subs. And I'm not even going to get into the subs he makes (like for like, putting in Brocchi or Puma ahead of Yoann and so on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 10 2008, 07:21 PM

[Zed.D]

Great post han. I know what you say about Milan pre-Calciopoli. and I agree problems started with Sheva's departure too. but why is Carlo still continuing playing with 1 striker when he has Sheva, Pato, Pippo, Borriello at his disposal? why he continues to field at least 2 DMs against relegation battling teams? etc etc.

I thought this season we'd see no more of this system but I was totally wrong. because the problem was not the squad and lack of attackers. the problem was Carlo.

dst got it right, Carlo went crazy, simple as that.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) can't disagree.

[Tennie]

Today was a rest day for the players, so no real news to report.

For what it's worth, here's Gazzetta's early projected lineup:

Abbiati
Zambrotta Bonera Kaladze Jankulovski
Gattuso Seedorf Flamini
Kakà Ronaldinho
Borriello

[Zed.D]

Today was a rest day for the players, so no real news to report.

For what it's worth, here's Gazzetta's early projected lineup:

Abbiati
Zambrotta Bonera Kaladze Jankulovski
Gattuso Seedorf Flamini
Kakà Ronaldinho
Borriello

HOW DARE THEY (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/49.gif) (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/49.gif) (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/49.gif)